long id trap for the unwary

[Neville Smythe via use-livecode]

If I write

 put the long id of field 1 of card 1 into tObject; put the text of tObject

I get the text of field 1 of card 1, right ? Not necessarily.

If field 1 of card 1 is in a shared group, then what I get is the text of field 
id something of card id whatever, where whatever is the id of the current card 
or maybe the first card containing the group. 

This is not actually a bug when you read the docs carefully but it certainly is 
a trap and in my case a major bug generator. It means this seemingly obvious 
way of obtaining the long id of an object (rather, in this case an instance of 
an object)  cannot be used to uniquely identify it when getting its properties.

The workaround is to replace card id (whatever) with card id (the id of card 1) 
in tObject;  the properties of tObject returned are then the properties of the 
expected instance of the object.

Sigh, a new version of nsScriptDatabase coming up.

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Re: Audio in Background

[Dan Friedman via use-livecode]

Panos,

Just wanted you to know that adding “iphoneEnableRemoteControl” did the trick!  
 The app received the “remoteControlReceived” message and was able to act on 
that message even in the background.  Sweet!

Thank you!

Dan Friedman
CEO, ClearVision Technologies, LLC
Voice: 909/484-2052
http://www.clearvisiontech.com


From: panagiotis m 
Date: Monday, June 27, 2022 at 10:25 AM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Dan Friedman 
Subject: Re: Audio in Background

Hello Dan

In fact this feature might be supported already.

If you have a look at the dictionary, there is the "iphoneEnableRemoteControl" 
command.

This is to enable remote control. Then, you can use "setRemoteControlDisplay" 
to update the metadata and such.

Then, you get "remoteControlReceived" events when the buttons in the remote 
control are pressed.

(remote control is the thingy in the Control Center)

Note that this code has not been tested recently. I'll have a play tomorrow and 
see if it still works.

Kind regards,
Panos

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 at 19:25, Dan Friedman 
mailto:d...@clearvisiontech.com>> wrote:
Panos,

Thank you...  That fixed it!  The audio continues when the app is sent to the 
background.   However, the application's audio does not appear in the Control 
Center:

https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/field/image/2017/10/ios-11-control-center-view-now-playing-screens-01.jpeg

Is this possible?


-Dan


On 6/27/22, 8:49 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis m via use-livecode" 
mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com>
 on behalf of 
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hello Dan,

On iOS, I think you have to add this line in your openStack handler (or
elsewhere):

iphoneSetAudioCategory "playback"

Kind regards,
Panos
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> Happy Monday!   I am using the native player control (on both iOS and
> Android).  It's working quite well!   The only problem I have is that the
> background audio doesn't seem to honor this control.  If I play audio in a
> native browser, it works.   Is there something I need to set or do to get
> it to work?   I have "Android Background Audio" selected in application
> settings and "Background Audio" checked in the "Requirements" panel.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -Dan
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Thanks to all for your offer to help.

I would say 2 testers are enough. ;)

So i do not need anymore testers.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 27.06.2022 um 14:26 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
> 
> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were code 
> signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
> 
> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
> 
> 
> Regards,
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

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Hello Scott,

thanks for your offer. I've sent you a private email with the D/L links and a 
short explanation.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 27.06.2022 um 21:54 schrieb scott--- via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hello Matthias,
> I have machines running 10.10.5  and a 10.7.5 if these would be of help.
> --
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>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
>> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
>> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
>> 
>> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were 
>> code signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
>> 
>> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

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Hello Matthias,
I have machines running 10.10.5  and a 10.7.5 if these would be of help.
--
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> On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
> 
> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were code 
> signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
> 
> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Phil,

thank you very much for your offer. I've sent you the D/L links in a  private 
email.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 27.06.2022 um 21:30 schrieb Phil Davis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> If you need another tester, one of my machines is an early 2009 Core 2 Duo 
> mini running 10.10.5.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> On 6/27/22 5:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi,
>> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
>> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
>> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
>> 
>> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were 
>> code signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
>> 
>> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[Phil Davis via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

If you need another tester, one of my machines is an early 2009 Core 2 
Duo mini running 10.10.5.


Phil Davis


On 6/27/22 5:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Hi,
is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
The apps are just with one answer dialog.

There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were code 
signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).

The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.


Regards,
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

No worries, Rick,

if i cannot find some one then i just need to setup a VM with Yosemite.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 27.06.2022 um 16:15 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I still have a system running High Sierra and one running El Capatan. I can 
> test on either of those.
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2022 8:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi,
>> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
>> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
>> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
>> 
>> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were 
>> code signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
>> 
>> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

I just noticed that High Sierra and El Capitan are higher then 10.10 
I need some one who can test with 10.10.

thanks anyway.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 27.06.2022 um 21:09 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Paul, thanks for your offer.
> 
> I have sent you a private email with the D/L link.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 27.06.2022 um 16:15 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> I still have a system running High Sierra and one running El Capatan. I can 
>> test on either of those.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/27/2022 8:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
>>> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
>>> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
>>> 
>>> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were 
>>> code signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
>>> 
>>> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Paul, thanks for your offer.

I have sent you a private email with the D/L link.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 27.06.2022 um 16:15 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I still have a system running High Sierra and one running El Capatan. I can 
> test on either of those.
> 
> 
> On 6/27/2022 8:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi,
>> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
>> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
>> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
>> 
>> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were 
>> code signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
>> 
>> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: On API keys...

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Heather Laine wrote:

> Tom Glod wrote:
>> This is a great best-practice explanation. Perhaps someone can turn
>> it into a blog post and put it on the site.
>
> Yes indeed. See Blog.

https://livecode.com/best-practice-for-api-keys-and-security/


Tip: Dropping in-bound links to relevant content is a useful 
organization habit, making it easy for customers, prospects, and 
searchbots alike to discover the roads that lead to the site where the 
store lives.


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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

Sorry, but I am no longer have Yosemite on any of my older Macs.

Thanks for the clarification though.  Hopefully someone can
help you out with this.

Cheers,

Rick

> On Jun 27, 2022, at 10:14 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Rick,
> 
> it's even older. I meant 10.10 (Yosemite). ;)
> 
> I would just send you a download link with a zip file. The zip file contains 
> 2 or 3 app. I need to know which of the apps can be opened on 10.10.
> 
> There seems to be a problem when a standalone was code sigend on a Mac with 
> Apple cpu. Codesign then automatically uses SHA256, but macOS below 10.11 
> still needs the standalone to be code signed with SHA1.
> There is a way to do this by telling codesign command not to automatically 
> choose the algorithm, but to use instead SHA1 and SHA256. This should fix 
> this. 
> 
> And i just need a confirmation, if that's the case
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias

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Re: Audio in Background

[panagiotis m via use-livecode]

Hello Dan

In fact this feature might be supported already.

If you have a look at the dictionary, there is the
"iphoneEnableRemoteControl" command.

This is to enable remote control. Then, you can use
"setRemoteControlDisplay" to update the metadata and such.

Then, you get "remoteControlReceived" events when the buttons in the remote
control are pressed.

(remote control is the thingy in the Control Center)

Note that this code has not been tested recently. I'll have a play tomorrow
and see if it still works.

Kind regards,
Panos

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 at 19:25, Dan Friedman  wrote:

> Panos,
>
> Thank you...  That fixed it!  The audio continues when the app is sent to
> the background.   However, the application's audio does not appear in the
> Control Center:
>
>
> https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/field/image/2017/10/ios-11-control-center-view-now-playing-screens-01.jpeg
>
> Is this possible?
>
>
> -Dan
>
>
> On 6/27/22, 8:49 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis m via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Dan,
>
> On iOS, I think you have to add this line in your openStack handler (or
> elsewhere):
>
> iphoneSetAudioCategory "playback"
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 at 18:29, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Happy Monday!   I am using the native player control (on both iOS and
> > Android).  It's working quite well!   The only problem I have is
> that the
> > background audio doesn't seem to honor this control.  If I play
> audio in a
> > native browser, it works.   Is there something I need to set or do
> to get
> > it to work?   I have "Android Background Audio" selected in
> application
> > settings and "Background Audio" checked in the "Requirements" panel.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > -Dan
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Re: Audio in Background

[Dan Friedman via use-livecode]

Panos,

Thank you...  That fixed it!  The audio continues when the app is sent to the 
background.   However, the application's audio does not appear in the Control 
Center:

https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/field/image/2017/10/ios-11-control-center-view-now-playing-screens-01.jpeg

Is this possible?


-Dan
 

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Hello Dan,

On iOS, I think you have to add this line in your openStack handler (or
elsewhere):

iphoneSetAudioCategory "playback"

Kind regards,
Panos
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> Happy Monday!   I am using the native player control (on both iOS and
> Android).  It's working quite well!   The only problem I have is that the
> background audio doesn't seem to honor this control.  If I play audio in a
> native browser, it works.   Is there something I need to set or do to get
> it to work?   I have "Android Background Audio" selected in application
> settings and "Background Audio" checked in the "Requirements" panel.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -Dan
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Re: Audio in Background

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Hello Dan,

And probably you need to check "Background Audio" in the iOS standalone
settings (in Requirements tab)

Cheers,
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 at 18:47, panagiotis m  wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> On iOS, I think you have to add this line in your openStack handler (or
> elsewhere):
>
> iphoneSetAudioCategory "playback"
>
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 at 18:29, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Happy Monday!   I am using the native player control (on both iOS and
>> Android).  It's working quite well!   The only problem I have is that the
>> background audio doesn't seem to honor this control.  If I play audio in a
>> native browser, it works.   Is there something I need to set or do to get
>> it to work?   I have "Android Background Audio" selected in application
>> settings and "Background Audio" checked in the "Requirements" panel.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> -Dan
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Re: Audio in Background

[panagiotis m via use-livecode]

Hello Dan,

On iOS, I think you have to add this line in your openStack handler (or
elsewhere):

iphoneSetAudioCategory "playback"

Kind regards,
Panos
--

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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Happy Monday!   I am using the native player control (on both iOS and
> Android).  It's working quite well!   The only problem I have is that the
> background audio doesn't seem to honor this control.  If I play audio in a
> native browser, it works.   Is there something I need to set or do to get
> it to work?   I have "Android Background Audio" selected in application
> settings and "Background Audio" checked in the "Requirements" panel.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -Dan
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Audio in Background

[Dan Friedman via use-livecode]

Happy Monday!   I am using the native player control (on both iOS and Android). 
 It's working quite well!   The only problem I have is that the background 
audio doesn't seem to honor this control.  If I play audio in a native browser, 
it works.   Is there something I need to set or do to get it to work?   I have 
"Android Background Audio" selected in application settings and "Background 
Audio" checked in the "Requirements" panel.

Thanks in advance!
-Dan

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Re: On API keys...

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Yes indeed. See Blog.

Best Regards,

Heather
Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 25 Jun 2022, at 04:34, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a great best-practice explanation. Perhaps someone can turn it into
> a blog post and put it on the site.
> Thanks again
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 6:24 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mr. (Or should I say Doctor) Waddingham! This is a really brilliant essay
>> on the risk, benefits and rewards in multiple scenarios concerning the
>> storage of keys. I’ve mentioned before that I came up with the idea of
>> “poisoning” the encrypted data before the data was transmitted. If
>> intercepted in transit, the data itself could never be decrypted without
>> knowing how it was poisoned and what was needed to “cleanse” it. And that
>> would require access to either the API of the device doing the corruption
>> or the cleansing, or else someone who knew the method.
>> 
>> By using this method, all but physical and social vectors are nullified.
>> And control of those vectors is an illusion.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:22, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 6/24/22 10:04, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 
 The only way to use these keys is from server scripts running on a
>> server which you do your best to maintain the security of. Ideally these
>> keys should be stored in files which are only readable by specific users -
>> usually the web-server user which is running the backend scripts which
>> needs to make the requests.
>>> 
>>> Or as server environment variables retrieved only by server scripts
>> which are not user-accessible.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

I still have a system running High Sierra and one running El Capatan. I 
can test on either of those.



On 6/27/2022 8:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Hi,
is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
The apps are just with one answer dialog.

There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were code 
signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).

The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.


Regards,
Matthias




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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Rick,

it's even older. I meant 10.10 (Yosemite). ;)

I would just send you a download link with a zip file. The zip file contains 2 
or 3 app. I need to know which of the apps can be opened on 10.10.

There seems to be a problem when a standalone was code sigend on a Mac with 
Apple cpu. Codesign then automatically uses SHA256, but macOS below 10.11 still 
needs the standalone to be code signed with SHA1.
There is a way to do this by telling codesign command not to automatically 
choose the algorithm, but to use instead SHA1 and SHA256. This should fix this. 

And  i just need a confirmation, if that's the case


Regards,
Matthias

> Am 27.06.2022 um 15:55 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> macOS 10.11 El Capitan?
> 
> You shouldn’t be testing with that at all.  It’s 6-7 years out of date now.
> 
> What kind of testing do you need?
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
>> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
>> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
>> 
>> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were 
>> code signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
>> 
>> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

macOS 10.11 El Capitan?

You shouldn’t be testing with that at all.  It’s 6-7 years out of date now.

What kind of testing do you need?

Good luck!

Rick

> On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
> test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
> The apps are just with one answer dialog.
> 
> There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were code 
> signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).
> 
> The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
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Is Anyone on the list still using macOS 10.11?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi,
is there anyone on the list still using macOS 10.10 and would be willing to 
test 2 or 3 sample apps for me.
The apps are just with one answer dialog.

There seems to be a problem with standalones under macOS 10.10 that were code 
signed with a Mac with Apple cpu (M1/M2).

The results of the testing would me help to enhance my LC Notarizing lesson.


Regards,
Matthias




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