Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread jbv via use-livecode

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn3kw/openai-used-kenyan-workers-making-dollar2-an-hour-to-filter-traumatic-content-from-chatgpt

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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
It's not possible to talk about software's current Second Industrial 
Revolution without talking about the lessons learned from the First 
Industrial Revolution.  And it's not possible to talk about the benefits 
of the First Industrial Revolution without including the Labor Wars that 
eventually made the gains useful for more than a fee.


And since this list is about LiveCode, I'll step off this train here.

But Geoff, you're always welcome to call me and we can discuss the 
history and the future anytime. I value you and your ideas, as always.


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Geoff Canyon wrote:


Those only interested in LiveCode, click "next" now.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 10:40 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:



After all, the Codex had been trained on billions of
publicly available source code lines – including code
in public repositories on GitHub. That included, among
other things, all of the Apache Foundation's many
projects' code.
https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/11/githubs_copilot_opinion/


Stability Diffusion, Midjourney, and DreamUp were
trained on copyrighted materials without credit,
compensation, or consent, according to a new lawsuit.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/artists-sue-ai-art-generators-for-copyright-infringement



My not-a-lawyer understanding is that this lawsuit is almost guaranteed to
fail. Just from a conceptual perspective, human artists have access to the
same copyrighted material (albeit not the ability to ingest *all* of it)
and even the ability to mimic it for their own edification. It's the act of
publishing similar work that is problematic. And it's going to be fun for
the lawyers to sort out who's at fault if I use Stable Diffusion to create
a corporate christmas card that happens to resemble the Coca-Cola polar
bears.

 > We're a very long way from attempting to write all apps in assembler

 > using this sort of AI.

Are we?  As late as my teens I was still reading science mags saying
"Well, AI is going to be a big deal, but no machine will ever beat a
human at something as complex as chess."

Big Blue beat world chess champion Garry Kasparov less than two decades
later.

So the goalpost moved, with explanations like "Well, chess is ultimately
a memorization task, but no computer can ever beat a human at something
as abstract and intuitive as Go".

Google's DeepMind beat Go champion Lee Se-dol in 2019.

I would caution against underestimating how CS advancements accelerate
further CS advancements.



If anything I think those examples undersell how quickly this is going to
proceed. I'll be very surprised if GPT-X (not an actual name) isn't
human-capable for a broad range of programming tasks by 2025.

So how'd that First Industrial Revolution turn out? ;)




I know you're just being cheeky here, but to make it explicit and let
others disagree if they wish: the First Industrial Revolution turned out
*great*. "Some economists have said the most important effect of the
Industrial Revolution was that the standard of living for the general
population in the western world began to increase consistently for the
first time in history" (others say it began right after). "Economic
historians are in agreement that the onset of the Industrial Revolution is
the most important event in human history since the domestication of
animals and plants." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution



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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
Forgot to include: in the '10s I would have added rogue AI.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 2:47 PM Geoff Canyon  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 10:50 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Human-generated disinformation is already a significant destabilizing
>> force. When we trust machine-generated content we run that same risk at
>> light speed.
>>
>
> Absolutely agreed -- If you'd asked me in the 90s what man-made thing
> would end us all, I'd have said nanotechnology. In the 2000s I would have
> added bio-tech. These days I definitely consider disinformation an equal
> threat.
>
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 10:50 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Human-generated disinformation is already a significant destabilizing
> force. When we trust machine-generated content we run that same risk at
> light speed.
>

Absolutely agreed -- If you'd asked me in the 90s what man-made thing would
end us all, I'd have said nanotechnology. In the 2000s I would have added
bio-tech. These days I definitely consider disinformation an equal threat.
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
Those only interested in LiveCode, click "next" now.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 10:40 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> After all, the Codex had been trained on billions of
> publicly available source code lines – including code
> in public repositories on GitHub. That included, among
> other things, all of the Apache Foundation's many
> projects' code.
> https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/11/githubs_copilot_opinion/
>
>
> Stability Diffusion, Midjourney, and DreamUp were
> trained on copyrighted materials without credit,
> compensation, or consent, according to a new lawsuit.
>
> https://www.pcmag.com/news/artists-sue-ai-art-generators-for-copyright-infringement


My not-a-lawyer understanding is that this lawsuit is almost guaranteed to
fail. Just from a conceptual perspective, human artists have access to the
same copyrighted material (albeit not the ability to ingest *all* of it)
and even the ability to mimic it for their own edification. It's the act of
publishing similar work that is problematic. And it's going to be fun for
the lawyers to sort out who's at fault if I use Stable Diffusion to create
a corporate christmas card that happens to resemble the Coca-Cola polar
bears.

 > We're a very long way from attempting to write all apps in assembler
>  > using this sort of AI.
>
> Are we?  As late as my teens I was still reading science mags saying
> "Well, AI is going to be a big deal, but no machine will ever beat a
> human at something as complex as chess."
>
> Big Blue beat world chess champion Garry Kasparov less than two decades
> later.
>
> So the goalpost moved, with explanations like "Well, chess is ultimately
> a memorization task, but no computer can ever beat a human at something
> as abstract and intuitive as Go".
>
> Google's DeepMind beat Go champion Lee Se-dol in 2019.
>
> I would caution against underestimating how CS advancements accelerate
> further CS advancements.
>

If anything I think those examples undersell how quickly this is going to
proceed. I'll be very surprised if GPT-X (not an actual name) isn't
human-capable for a broad range of programming tasks by 2025.

So how'd that First Industrial Revolution turn out? ;)
>

I know you're just being cheeky here, but to make it explicit and let
others disagree if they wish: the First Industrial Revolution turned out
*great*. "Some economists have said the most important effect of the
Industrial Revolution was that the standard of living for the general
population in the western world began to increase consistently for the
first time in history" (others say it began right after). "Economic
historians are in agreement that the onset of the Industrial Revolution is
the most important event in human history since the domestication of
animals and plants." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread christer via use-livecode
Using AI tools like ChatGPT there will be a big push for trying to automate 
coding with the most popular languages like Python. With more open environments 
like LiveCode it may get to be harder.It will always be started with by 
definition incomplete set of start with incomplete definition, and in most 
cases with also not good definition of an optimal solution. A popular example 
of a good set of these definitios would be the set of stock moves (buy, sell),  
with an objective to get max increase in profits. But to suggest 'short' as a 
new approach might not happen.Unless you talk about a sizable engine like IBM 
Deep Blue chess one. And in  quite many languages (like for example in VHDL) 
there are easily detectable structures creating inefficieces and correct those, 
but creating novel solutions around requires sufficient knowledge base to 
suggest those.So, improving coding & efficiency could be a proper tool for the 
AI in coding but building a system interacting with a normal, creative humans 
needs innovativeness, which is not creatable just leaning on (always 
incomplete) knowledge data bases.chris...@mindcrea.com+358-400-410216
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Microsoft thinks it's a good idea. They'll eventually own 49% of
> ChatGPT when talks are finalized.
>
> 



No doubt. The power to control a content engine that valuable is 
enticing to the few in a position to bid for it.



Back in 2017, Andre posted an OT note here on this list that garnered 
only one reply despite its scope and significance:


   [OT] The Internet is Living on Borrowed Time
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2017-December/243374.html

The article he linked to there is still available:
https://staltz.com/the-web-began-dying-in-2014-heres-how.html

As one who studies social media memetics (the sociology of idea spread, 
as opposed to "memes" GIFs), Andre's post altered the course of much of 
my reading since.


We live in a world that no longer merely enjoys the Internet, but is 
increasingly dependent on it. McLuhan's vision of "Global Village" was 
inspired by broadcast television; the Internet's two-way communication 
should more than fulfill that optimistic view.


But along the way we've arrived at a historical moment when we finally 
have this vast global communications network, yet most of what travels 
across this public infrastructure is under the control of fewer than a 
dozen corporate leaders.


8 billion voices, curated by about 10.

So if my participation in tech discussions seems preoccupied with 
concerns about ethics and equity, about the relationship between value 
and values, blame it on Andre. :)


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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Geoff Canyon wrote:

> Eliza never passed a Turing Test, not even remotely.

Formally, no. Nothing yet has.
https://dataconomy.com/2021/03/which-ai-closest-passing-turing-test/

But Weizenbaum himself was surprised to see how readily people 
attributed human-like feeling to its rudimentary algo, even Weizenbaum's 
secretary.


GPTZero was recently announced as an experimental effort to help humans 
discern whether content was machine- or human-generated:

https://gptzero.me

Human-generated disinformation is already a significant destabilizing 
force. When we trust machine-generated content we run that same risk at 
light speed.


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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Kevin Miller wrote:

> Richard wrote:
>>> So before we donate much time to providing index fodder for the
>> owners of ChatGPT, we might ask whether this is an investment we want
>> to make, or perhaps at least ask for compensation for having provided
>> the data that makes ChatGPT valuable for its owners.
>
>
> An interesting point of view.


Though admittedly not at all original, e.g.:

   After all, the Codex had been trained on billions of
   publicly available source code lines – including code
   in public repositories on GitHub. That included, among
   other things, all of the Apache Foundation's many
   projects' code.
https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/11/githubs_copilot_opinion/


   Stability Diffusion, Midjourney, and DreamUp were
   trained on copyrighted materials without credit,
   compensation, or consent, according to a new lawsuit.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/artists-sue-ai-art-generators-for-copyright-infringement


> We're a very long way from attempting to write all apps in assembler
> using this sort of AI.

Are we?  As late as my teens I was still reading science mags saying 
"Well, AI is going to be a big deal, but no machine will ever beat a 
human at something as complex as chess."


Big Blue beat world chess champion Garry Kasparov less than two decades 
later.


So the goalpost moved, with explanations like "Well, chess is ultimately 
a memorization task, but no computer can ever beat a human at something 
as abstract and intuitive as Go".


Google's DeepMind beat Go champion Lee Se-dol in 2019.

I would caution against underestimating how CS advancements accelerate 
further CS advancements.



> And humans are going to want to go on reading, editing and
> understanding code to create whole programs, whether produced
> by machine or a human, for a long time yet.

Exactly. The uniquely human pursuit of pleasure will remain. And with 
the productivity gain from this Second Industrial Revolution, we're 
finally arriving at the potential to actualize the vision toolmakers 
have had since Archimedes' screw: a world where we leverage technology 
smartly so machines do the drudgery of producing commodities and humans 
are freed to pursue artistic, philosophical, and recreational interests.


So how'd that First Industrial Revolution turn out? ;)

Technology's fine. Now if only we could see similar advancements in ethics.


> When AI really is advanced enough to be creating an entire
> complex program in perfect assembler I think the world will
> change in so many ways that we'll have far bigger societal
> implications to consider than just its impact on scripting
> languages.

Yes, it will.

For several years we've come to accept as "normal" that we humans have 
to convince gatekeeper robots that we're not robots ourselves.


Right now some of the greatest excitement for ChatGPT is content 
generation for SEO. That is, robots writing content for consumption by 
robots.


Given the efficiencies of such systems for evaluating the quality and 
value of competing products, it seems more efficient to drop SEO and let 
the robots decide which products we buy. Vendorbots could then 
communicate directly with purchasebots for optimized consumer value. 
There would be no need for this signalling to use English, or any human 
language.  The bots could arrive at an optimized signalling format far 
more efficiently.


We already use bots for trading even stocks. So when signals become 
machine-optimmized for consumption by machines, entire macroeconomies 
can be nearly fully automated.


And since those of us who make software know that all software always 
has bugs, it's not much of a stretch to imagine three or four 
generations from now we see macroeconomies transacting at light speed, 
then a bug causes global economic meltdown at light speed, and then 
corrects itself within an hour. Our great grandchildren will watch these 
"hiccups" with the same bemusement we have when our grocer says they 
can't let us purchase right now because their network is down.




> At the end of the day, this sort of AI is clearly going to happen
> and get better -  whether it comes from OpenAI or someone else.
> We will have about as much luck stopping that as stopping a change
> in the weather. When the wind changes, it's time to adjust your sails.

Exactly. The tech is happening. The opportunity still available for this 
one early moment may be to shape the ethics of ownership and value 
surrounding it.



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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
Eliza never passed a Turing Test, not even remotely.

I've been doing a ton of other research with ChatGPT, and it definitely is
able to pass a Turing test in some circumstances. Example below.

No, it doesn't "understand" the way a human does. AlphaZero doesn't
"understand" chess the way a human does, but it still wipes the floor with
any human who ever existed. The point being: if the text it outputs reads
like understanding, does it matter what's behind the curtain?

One of the points of my article (which I'll now make more explicit) is that
it still takes a programmer's mind to construct efficient instructions for
ChatGPT. The first example I gave, where I really thought about the
instructions I gave, went much better than the other two examples.

So for now we're still needed. Many of us switched from Pascal or C to
LiveCode. We should think of ChatGPT + LiveCode as similar: a still higher
level of programming abstraction. To your point, eventually maybe LiveCode
disappears from that equation -- sorry Kevin :-( One day a random person
will be able to say "I'm bored, make me a fun game that I'll find
interesting" and the AI will just spit out Half-Life 3.

Example of ChatGPT blowing my mind: I gave it a prompt like this:

My name is Bob. My sister Sarah is married to Tom, who has two children
from a previous relationship, Beth and Gary. I gave my other niece Karen
$100 for her birthday, and now my nephew's birthday is coming up, but money
is a bit tight. What should I do?

And I kid you not, it gave an extensive and reasonable answer,
"understanding" all of the relationships I laid out.

gc

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 8:41 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Rick Harrison wrote:
>
>  > Hi Richard,
>  >
>  > That’s for sure!
>  >
>  > We should never let an AI write code that we don’t have a prayer
>  > to understand.
>  > It should always write code that is humanly readable and correctable.
>
> Advanced pattern-matching software (these day mislabeled "Intelligence")
> is in some ways a write-only tool.
>
> It does an amazing job of emulating human textual communication
> patterns, while truly understanding nothing, not even its own words:
> https://twitter.com/SanujShah/status/1616779605775351810
>
> It is an advanced variant of Eliza, which also passed the Turning Test
> (decades ago).
>
> --
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>   
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Rick Harrison wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> That’s for sure!
>
> We should never let an AI write code that we don’t have a prayer
> to understand.
> It should always write code that is humanly readable and correctable.

Advanced pattern-matching software (these day mislabeled "Intelligence") 
is in some ways a write-only tool.


It does an amazing job of emulating human textual communication 
patterns, while truly understanding nothing, not even its own words:

https://twitter.com/SanujShah/status/1616779605775351810

It is an advanced variant of Eliza, which also passed the Turning Test 
(decades ago).


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Re: Add new iOS app at Apple dev: What to enter for SKU?

2023-01-21 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi Jacque,

> Am 21.01.2023 um 17:22 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> It's just an ID that you invent and it can be anything. PayPay wanted the 
> same thing so my AirLaunch app is AL001, for example. It only shows up on 
> reports to identify which product was purchased or downloaded. Bookkeepers 
> like that sort of thing.

AHA! So it is completely meaningless in the end, very clever Apple! :-D
Thank you very much!

> --
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> On January 21, 2023 7:23:22 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> see subject, I wanted to add my app to my Apple Dev account and
>> already have no idea what to add here in the first step:
>> SKU (a unique ID for your app,not shown in the Apple App Store)
>> ?

Best

Klaus
> 

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Re: Add new iOS app at Apple dev: What to enter for SKU?

2023-01-21 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
It's just an ID that you invent and it can be anything. PayPay wanted the 
same thing so my AirLaunch app is AL001, for example. It only shows up on 
reports to identify which product was purchased or downloaded. Bookkeepers 
like that sort of thing.


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On January 21, 2023 7:23:22 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Hi all,

see subject, I wanted to add my app to my Apple Dev account and
already have no idea what to add here in the first step:
SKU (a unique ID for your app,not shown in the Apple App Store)
?




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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Microsoft thinks it's a good idea. They'll eventually own 49% of ChatGPT 
when talks are finalized.




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On January 21, 2023 9:22:01 AM Kevin Miller via use-livecode 
 wrote:


An interesting point of view. We're a very long way from attempting to 
write all apps in assembler using this sort of AI. And humans are going to 
want to go on reading, editing and understanding code to create whole 
programs, whether produced by machine or a human, for a long time yet. When 
AI really is advanced enough to be creating an entire complex program in 
perfect assembler I think the world will change in so many ways that we'll 
have far bigger societal implications to consider than just its impact on 
scripting languages.


At the moment I see this as potentially heading towards a position where it 
could be quite an aid to scripting languages, both in terms of learning and 
helping write code. It might also take the shine out of some no-code 
environments as its probably easier to describe what you want your code to 
do and get back some nice clear English-like instructions (LiveCode script) 
than click on 100 boxes with menus and connectors to set up actions. Used 
in the hands of a skilled programmer it may become a particularly 
productive combination.


At the end of the day, this sort of AI is clearly going to happen and get 
better -  whether it comes from OpenAI or someone else. We will have about 
as much luck stopping that as stopping a change in the weather. When the 
wind changes, it's time to adjust your sails.


Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things



?On 20/01/2023, 19:22, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via 
use-livecode"  on behalf of 
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > wrote:



If ChatGPT can write script, it can write machine code.

If it can write machine code, scripting is unnecessary.

If scripting goes, so goes scripting tools.

So before we donate much time to providing index fodder for the owners
of ChatGPT, we might ask whether this is an investment we want to make,
or perhaps at least ask for compensation for having provided the data
that makes ChatGPT valuable for its owners.


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I thought this is on LiveCode, not on ChatGPT.

2023-01-21 Thread christer via use-livecode
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
An interesting point of view. We're a very long way from attempting to write 
all apps in assembler using this sort of AI. And humans are going to want to go 
on reading, editing and understanding code to create whole programs, whether 
produced by machine or a human, for a long time yet. When AI really is advanced 
enough to be creating an entire complex program in perfect assembler I think 
the world will change in so many ways that we'll have far bigger societal 
implications to consider than just its impact on scripting languages.

At the moment I see this as potentially heading towards a position where it 
could be quite an aid to scripting languages, both in terms of learning and 
helping write code. It might also take the shine out of some no-code 
environments as its probably easier to describe what you want your code to do 
and get back some nice clear English-like instructions (LiveCode script) than 
click on 100 boxes with menus and connectors to set up actions. Used in the 
hands of a skilled programmer it may become a particularly productive 
combination.

At the end of the day, this sort of AI is clearly going to happen and get 
better -  whether it comes from OpenAI or someone else. We will have about as 
much luck stopping that as stopping a change in the weather. When the wind 
changes, it's time to adjust your sails.

Kind regards, 

Kevin 

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On 20/01/2023, 19:22, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via 
use-livecode" mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com> on behalf of 
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If ChatGPT can write script, it can write machine code.

If it can write machine code, scripting is unnecessary.

If scripting goes, so goes scripting tools.

So before we donate much time to providing index fodder for the owners 
of ChatGPT, we might ask whether this is an investment we want to make, 
or perhaps at least ask for compensation for having provided the data 
that makes ChatGPT valuable for its owners.


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Fourth World Systems


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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread harrison--- via use-livecode
Hi Richard,

That’s for sure!

We should never let an AI write code that we don’t have a prayer to understand.
It should always write code that is humanly readable and correctable.

We have seen this happen time and again where we put in the work
to help a company become profitable, and we end up getting almost
nothing in return from the company.  In fact the company then demands
that we pay them for the fruits of our labors!

Enjoy your day!

Rick

> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:22 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If ChatGPT can write script, it can write machine code.
> 
> If it can write machine code, scripting is unnecessary.
> 
> If scripting goes, so goes scripting tools.
> 
> So before we donate much time to providing index fodder for the owners of 
> ChatGPT, we might ask whether this is an investment we want to make, or 
> perhaps at least ask for compensation for having provided the data that makes 
> ChatGPT valuable for its owners.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
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Add new iOS app at Apple dev: What to enter for SKU?

2023-01-21 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi all,

see subject, I wanted to add my app to my Apple Dev account and 
already have no idea what to add here in the first step:
SKU (a unique ID for your app,not shown in the Apple App Store)
?

Any hints very welcome!


Best

Klaus
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Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

2023-01-21 Thread Ralf Bitter via use-livecode



Richard, thanks very much, you certainly hit the nail.


Ralf



On 20.01.2023 20:22, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

If ChatGPT can write script, it can write machine code.

If it can write machine code, scripting is unnecessary.

If scripting goes, so goes scripting tools.

So before we donate much time to providing index fodder for the owners 
of ChatGPT, we might ask whether this is an investment we want to make, 
or perhaps at least ask for compensation for having provided the data 
that makes ChatGPT valuable for its owners.




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