Re: Application disappears unexpectedly (goes into background)
Have you done a global search for the word "hide" in the scripts? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On December 21, 2023 7:55:47 PM Alan Stenhouse via use-livecode wrote: I've got a MacOS LC standalone that opens a stackfile external to the application. Whenever I click inside one of the stack windows which doesn't have current focus, all the stack windows disappear and reappear only when I switch to another application and back again. Activating a stack window by clicking on the window title bar works normally (i.e. does not disappear). Has anyone else seen this at all? Any suggestions for tracking possible causes? MacOS Ventura Laptop M1 LC 10 dp... and LC9.11 Thanks a lot for any pointers! cheers Alan ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Application disappears unexpectedly (goes into background)
I've got a MacOS LC standalone that opens a stackfile external to the application. Whenever I click inside one of the stack windows which doesn't have current focus, all the stack windows disappear and reappear only when I switch to another application and back again. Activating a stack window by clicking on the window title bar works normally (i.e. does not disappear). Has anyone else seen this at all? Any suggestions for tracking possible causes? MacOS Ventura Laptop M1 LC 10 dp... and LC9.11 Thanks a lot for any pointers! cheers Alan ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?
I've had the about the same iOS experience. Annoying, yes. Not so bad after doing it once. I can't believe what you Mac OS developers go though. The only thing I staple is some pine rope on the fireplace mantle. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 3:25 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Andreas Bergendal Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1? It may not be as bad as it looks, as an app can survive several iOS upgrades without needing to be rebuilt. I have an app in AppStore that I think was targeted at iOS 14, and didn’t malfunction until iOS 17 came. I then rebuilt it targeting iOS 16 (as 17 was not yet supported by the LC deployment chain at the time), and it still works like a charm. Since that app had been doing fine for two years, all certificates and provisioning profiles and whatnot had expired, so I had to jump through all the Apple hoops again to get a valid build. It then transferred to TestFlight on the first attempt (!!!), and was approved for AppStore by Apple review within 24 hours. All in all I had the new version up and pushed to users in three days, after discovering the blocking iOS 17 bug. (I don’t know what the bug was, I was just hoping that rebuilding with a newer LC version for an iOS version closer to 17 would fix it, and thankfully it did.) Just to share that positive experiences are still possible, even though I totally agree that iOS deployment still IS a hassle. I enjoy web deployment much more, and LC10 is getting better and better at that. /Andreas > 21 dec. 2023 kl. 20:28 skrev Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > : > > BTW I should add that I do not think this is Livecode’s fault. I imagine > every developer for every platform has to deal with this, and now it’s all > bled over to desktop apps as well. Seems like forced obsolescence to me. > Unmaintained apps get deleted from the store, and therefore from end user’s > mobile devices. How convenient for Apple. > > Bob S > > >> On Dec 21, 2023, at 11:05 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> That’s pretty useful, but also dismaying. I’m kind of glad now, because my >> slothfulness had me put off any attempt to make an iOS version of Forms >> Generator. That is all a lot to consider. Not only am I bound to rebuild for >> every version of my app, I am also bound to rebuild based on every iOS, >> MacOS and Xcode versions. No thank you please. >> >> Of course I am not selling my apps so it doesn’t matter very much to me. For >> those of us that produce commercial apps, it matters very much. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 5:41 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> Just for fun, and because Mermaid is my new toy, I threw together a small >>> web stack that shows the various LC-Xcode-macOS-iOS combinations in a >>> sankey diagram, where you can also change the order of how they are >>> displayed. >>> >>> I added some Xcode versions that are NOT compatible with LiveCode too, just >>> as extra info (and to get more data points). >>> >>> I don’t know if it adds any insights beyond what you can simply see in the >>> table Heather linked to, but it was a suitable set of data for the sankey >>> format, and also a proof of concept that running Mermaid code in a browser >>> widget deployed to web works flawlessly. :) >>> >>> See it here: https://wheninspace.com/LCXcode/ >>> >>> /Andreas >>> >>> >>> 18 dec. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Heather Laine via use-livecode : Folks, you should upgrade to Xcode 15.0 not 15.1 - see this table (top FAQ): https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ Best Regards, Heather ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?
> Ralph wrote: > > Very Nice! This should be on the LC Lesson site. ++1 Jim Lambert ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?
It may not be as bad as it looks, as an app can survive several iOS upgrades without needing to be rebuilt. I have an app in AppStore that I think was targeted at iOS 14, and didn’t malfunction until iOS 17 came. I then rebuilt it targeting iOS 16 (as 17 was not yet supported by the LC deployment chain at the time), and it still works like a charm. Since that app had been doing fine for two years, all certificates and provisioning profiles and whatnot had expired, so I had to jump through all the Apple hoops again to get a valid build. It then transferred to TestFlight on the first attempt (!!!), and was approved for AppStore by Apple review within 24 hours. All in all I had the new version up and pushed to users in three days, after discovering the blocking iOS 17 bug. (I don’t know what the bug was, I was just hoping that rebuilding with a newer LC version for an iOS version closer to 17 would fix it, and thankfully it did.) Just to share that positive experiences are still possible, even though I totally agree that iOS deployment still IS a hassle. I enjoy web deployment much more, and LC10 is getting better and better at that. /Andreas > 21 dec. 2023 kl. 20:28 skrev Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > : > > BTW I should add that I do not think this is Livecode’s fault. I imagine > every developer for every platform has to deal with this, and now it’s all > bled over to desktop apps as well. Seems like forced obsolescence to me. > Unmaintained apps get deleted from the store, and therefore from end user’s > mobile devices. How convenient for Apple. > > Bob S > > >> On Dec 21, 2023, at 11:05 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> That’s pretty useful, but also dismaying. I’m kind of glad now, because my >> slothfulness had me put off any attempt to make an iOS version of Forms >> Generator. That is all a lot to consider. Not only am I bound to rebuild for >> every version of my app, I am also bound to rebuild based on every iOS, >> MacOS and Xcode versions. No thank you please. >> >> Of course I am not selling my apps so it doesn’t matter very much to me. For >> those of us that produce commercial apps, it matters very much. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 5:41 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> Just for fun, and because Mermaid is my new toy, I threw together a small >>> web stack that shows the various LC-Xcode-macOS-iOS combinations in a >>> sankey diagram, where you can also change the order of how they are >>> displayed. >>> >>> I added some Xcode versions that are NOT compatible with LiveCode too, just >>> as extra info (and to get more data points). >>> >>> I don’t know if it adds any insights beyond what you can simply see in the >>> table Heather linked to, but it was a suitable set of data for the sankey >>> format, and also a proof of concept that running Mermaid code in a browser >>> widget deployed to web works flawlessly. :) >>> >>> See it here: https://wheninspace.com/LCXcode/ >>> >>> /Andreas >>> >>> >>> 18 dec. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Heather Laine via use-livecode : Folks, you should upgrade to Xcode 15.0 not 15.1 - see this table (top FAQ): https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ Best Regards, Heather ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?
BTW I should add that I do not think this is Livecode’s fault. I imagine every developer for every platform has to deal with this, and now it’s all bled over to desktop apps as well. Seems like forced obsolescence to me. Unmaintained apps get deleted from the store, and therefore from end user’s mobile devices. How convenient for Apple. Bob S > On Dec 21, 2023, at 11:05 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > That’s pretty useful, but also dismaying. I’m kind of glad now, because my > slothfulness had me put off any attempt to make an iOS version of Forms > Generator. That is all a lot to consider. Not only am I bound to rebuild for > every version of my app, I am also bound to rebuild based on every iOS, MacOS > and Xcode versions. No thank you please. > > Of course I am not selling my apps so it doesn’t matter very much to me. For > those of us that produce commercial apps, it matters very much. > > Bob S > > >> On Dec 21, 2023, at 5:41 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Just for fun, and because Mermaid is my new toy, I threw together a small >> web stack that shows the various LC-Xcode-macOS-iOS combinations in a sankey >> diagram, where you can also change the order of how they are displayed. >> >> I added some Xcode versions that are NOT compatible with LiveCode too, just >> as extra info (and to get more data points). >> >> I don’t know if it adds any insights beyond what you can simply see in the >> table Heather linked to, but it was a suitable set of data for the sankey >> format, and also a proof of concept that running Mermaid code in a browser >> widget deployed to web works flawlessly. :) >> >> See it here: https://wheninspace.com/LCXcode/ >> >> /Andreas >> >> >> >>> 18 dec. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Heather Laine via use-livecode >>> : >>> >>> Folks, you should upgrade to Xcode 15.0 not 15.1 - see this table (top FAQ): >>> >>> >>> https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Heather >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?
That’s pretty useful, but also dismaying. I’m kind of glad now, because my slothfulness had me put off any attempt to make an iOS version of Forms Generator. That is all a lot to consider. Not only am I bound to rebuild for every version of my app, I am also bound to rebuild based on every iOS, MacOS and Xcode versions. No thank you please. Of course I am not selling my apps so it doesn’t matter very much to me. For those of us that produce commercial apps, it matters very much. Bob S > On Dec 21, 2023, at 5:41 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode > wrote: > > Just for fun, and because Mermaid is my new toy, I threw together a small web > stack that shows the various LC-Xcode-macOS-iOS combinations in a sankey > diagram, where you can also change the order of how they are displayed. > > I added some Xcode versions that are NOT compatible with LiveCode too, just > as extra info (and to get more data points). > > I don’t know if it adds any insights beyond what you can simply see in the > table Heather linked to, but it was a suitable set of data for the sankey > format, and also a proof of concept that running Mermaid code in a browser > widget deployed to web works flawlessly. :) > > See it here: https://wheninspace.com/LCXcode/ > > /Andreas > > > >> 18 dec. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Heather Laine via use-livecode >> : >> >> Folks, you should upgrade to Xcode 15.0 not 15.1 - see this table (top FAQ): >> >> >> https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Heather > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?
Very Nice! This should be on the LC Lesson site. Very helpful for new users. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 8:42 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Andreas Bergendal Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1? Just for fun, and because Mermaid is my new toy, I threw together a small web stack that shows the various LC-Xcode-macOS-iOS combinations in a sankey diagram, where you can also change the order of how they are displayed. I added some Xcode versions that are NOT compatible with LiveCode too, just as extra info (and to get more data points). I don’t know if it adds any insights beyond what you can simply see in the table Heather linked to, but it was a suitable set of data for the sankey format, and also a proof of concept that running Mermaid code in a browser widget deployed to web works flawlessly. :) See it here: https://wheninspace.com/LCXcode/ /Andreas > 18 dec. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Heather Laine via use-livecode > : > > Folks, you should upgrade to Xcode 15.0 not 15.1 - see this table (top FAQ): > > > https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ > > > > Best Regards, > > Heather ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?
That does look like fun. Very clever layout. > On 21 Dec 2023, at 1:41 pm, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode > wrote: > > Just for fun, and because Mermaid is my new toy, I threw together a small web > stack that shows the various LC-Xcode-macOS-iOS combinations in a sankey > diagram, where you can also change the order of how they are displayed. > > I added some Xcode versions that are NOT compatible with LiveCode too, just > as extra info (and to get more data points). > > I don’t know if it adds any insights beyond what you can simply see in the > table Heather linked to, but it was a suitable set of data for the sankey > format, and also a proof of concept that running Mermaid code in a browser > widget deployed to web works flawlessly. :) > > See it here: https://wheninspace.com/LCXcode/ > > /Andreas > > > >> 18 dec. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Heather Laine via use-livecode >> : >> >> Folks, you should upgrade to Xcode 15.0 not 15.1 - see this table (top FAQ): >> >> >> https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Heather > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I upgrade to Xcode 15.0 or 15.1?
Just for fun, and because Mermaid is my new toy, I threw together a small web stack that shows the various LC-Xcode-macOS-iOS combinations in a sankey diagram, where you can also change the order of how they are displayed. I added some Xcode versions that are NOT compatible with LiveCode too, just as extra info (and to get more data points). I don’t know if it adds any insights beyond what you can simply see in the table Heather linked to, but it was a suitable set of data for the sankey format, and also a proof of concept that running Mermaid code in a browser widget deployed to web works flawlessly. :) See it here: https://wheninspace.com/LCXcode/ /Andreas > 18 dec. 2023 kl. 18:11 skrev Heather Laine via use-livecode > : > > Folks, you should upgrade to Xcode 15.0 not 15.1 - see this table (top FAQ): > > > https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ > > > > Best Regards, > > Heather ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
