Re: MS SQL

[Robert Sneidar]

Just a heads up, remember that SQL servers have a timeout on connections, so 
when you open a database, remember to close it after you are done. If it has 
been idle for any length of time, Livecode still thinks it is open, but the SQL 
server has probably terminated the connection. 

This has resolved all my connection hangs I was experiencing in the past. Just 
a thot.

Bob


On Apr 23, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Rodney Green  wrote:

> I turned on tracing in the odbc driver and I can see field names in the
> data. So I'm assuming the query is working. But still can't figure out why
> LC is hanging. I have database checked in the stand alone settings, not
> sure if this matters while in LC. Any ideas how I can track down why LC is
> hanging?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> 
>> In gmail, you can fix that by using the "Paste and match style" option on
>> the edit menu.
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software
>> On Apr 22, 2014 7:34 PM, "J. Landman Gay" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/22/14, 6:49 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>> 
 I don't know if it's just your email client but what I'm seeing is an
 asterisk * around the words get, put and return which shouldn't be
>> there.
 
>>> 
>>> That happens to all keywords when a colorized script is copied from the
>>> script editor and pasted into a text-only email list. I see it here all
>> the
>>> time.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: MS SQL

[Robert Sneidar]

Oh THAT is what does that! I usually just convert the email to plain text 
before posting to the list. Maybe a good practice for all? 

Bob S


On Apr 22, 2014, at 7:34 PM, J. Landman Gay  wrote:

> On 4/22/14, 6:49 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>> I don't know if it's just your email client but what I'm seeing is an
>> asterisk * around the words get, put and return which shouldn't be there.
> 
> That happens to all keywords when a colorized script is copied from the 
> script editor and pasted into a text-only email list. I see it here all the 
> time.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Really basic SQLite questions

[Robert Sneidar]

My experience with SQL is that there is a timeout if a connection has been idle 
for a certain period of time. Perhaps this is not a problem with sqLite, but as 
a matter of good development habits, get all the info you need from the user 
BEFORE opening the connection, so that there is no chance of having a user walk 
away from his desk while your app is wanting something from him with an open 
connection. Once you open the connection, do what you need to do, then close 
it. 

If you have anything like complex transactions where you may have to abort all 
your inserts and updates mid stream, use transactions. This way you can 
rollback midstream with no ill effects. If the connection goes stale, you will 
find that the user will have to sit there for 30 seconds to a minute or more 
waiting for the app to release so you can deal with the connection timeout. Not 
pretty. 

I cannot tell you the hell and havoc I have had working with different database 
applications where the developers figured, “What the hell, just leave the 
connection open,” and then something happens network wise and the application 
dumps to the desktop. That is crappy programming IMHO. 

Would you open an FTP session and just leave it open for convenience? How about 
an HTTPS session? Think about how your bank works. If you are idle for any 
length of time they kick you. If I am logged into a copier too long for crying 
out loud That will kick me out! It’s my opinion at least that every network or 
database connection should have some means of disconnecting when idle. It’s 
just good practice. 

Bob S


On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> Hi James,
> I'd leave them open until you quit the app. You might also think about
> using the ATTACH command for the second and subsequent connections so
> they'll all be open on the same connection. This allows you to, for
> example, define JOINs across databases, although you'll need to change the
> references to anything in the attached databases.
> 
> Pretty sure you need to load extensions for each connection,  so the ATTACH
> approach will help there too.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software
> On Apr 24, 2014 7:49 PM, "James Hale"  wrote:
> 
>> 1. Open and close database connections. When?
>> Obviously you need to open a connection to access a database, but when do
>> you need to close it?
>> Does it close without you doing anything?
>> I have the need to connect to four db's while running my app.
>> Access to a couple of these is sporadic but constant across a user session
>> with the app.
>> Can I just open a connection to them all on the app's launch and then
>> close the connection of quitting? Currently I reassert the connection on
>> most accesses. Is this a bad thing to do?
>> 
>> 2. SQLite's new ability to load a runtime extension. What does it attach
>> to?
>> I have compiled a couple of extensions to SQLite for my app. I use them in
>> two distinct db's that I connect to. Do I need to load the extension for
>> each db or only once.
>> In other words is it loaded for the engine itself or does the load only
>> apply to the specific database I am connecting to at the time?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> James
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Custom Props Set

[Robert Sneidar]

Just my 2¢ I do not see why anyone NEEDS to put spaces in names of anything. I 
always advise no spaces or special characters beyond hyphen and underscore in 
file names, and all lowercase in anything accessible over internet/intranet, 
including SQL columns. Follow these simple rules and it will be a rare moment 
when you have problems. 

Bob


On Mar 5, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> Turns out the IDEObject Inspector lets you create a custom property with
> spaces in its name but it won't let you create a custom property set with
> spaces in its name.  Didn't try any other supposedly illegal characters.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software 
> Home of lcStackBrowser  and
> SQLiteAdmin 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 PM, J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/4/14, 9:09 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> Also the data grid uses custom propertyset element names that contain
>>> spaces. I'm guessing those elements are not considered custom props?
>>> 
>> 
>> Parts of the documentation haven't kept up with engine changes. This looks
>> like one of them.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Wait command

[Robert Sneidar]

LOVING TYPE DEBUGGER I meant LOGGING type debugger!!!

On Mar 4, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Robert Sneidar  wrote:

> Debug stepping through code will not show you the effects of wait 0 seconds 
> because the step debugger itself (if I am not mistaken) is idling in between 
> each command executed. Wait is implied here. The engine is already “waiting” 
> in between every command executed. This BTW is one of the reasons I think 
> Jerry Daniels came up with Remo, which had a loving type debugger and NOT a 
> step debugger. Some things simply cannot be monitored correctly with a step 
> debugger. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Mar 3, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks to all for the replies, especially Geoff's clear example.  That
>> explains why I could not duplicate the bug I was chasing while in debug
>> mode, since clicking any of the debug icons when on the wait command
>> generated the usual mouse messages.
>> 
>> However, I still don't understand why the "wait 0 with messages" command
>> caused the rest of the statements in my script to be ignored.  There was no
>> other user interaction going on at the time so there should not have been
>> any messages being fired. Even if there were, shouldn't control have passed
>> back to my script after the message had been processed?  I suppose a "send
>> in time" command could have triggered but I don't think I have any of those
>> in this application.
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Wait command

[Robert Sneidar]

Debug stepping through code will not show you the effects of wait 0 seconds 
because the step debugger itself (if I am not mistaken) is idling in between 
each command executed. Wait is implied here. The engine is already “waiting” in 
between every command executed. This BTW is one of the reasons I think Jerry 
Daniels came up with Remo, which had a loving type debugger and NOT a step 
debugger. Some things simply cannot be monitored correctly with a step 
debugger. 

Bob


On Mar 3, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> Thanks to all for the replies, especially Geoff's clear example.  That
> explains why I could not duplicate the bug I was chasing while in debug
> mode, since clicking any of the debug icons when on the wait command
> generated the usual mouse messages.
> 
> However, I still don't understand why the "wait 0 with messages" command
> caused the rest of the statements in my script to be ignored.  There was no
> other user interaction going on at the time so there should not have been
> any messages being fired. Even if there were, shouldn't control have passed
> back to my script after the message had been processed?  I suppose a "send
> in time" command could have triggered but I don't think I have any of those
> in this application.
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software 
> Home of lcStackBrowser  and
> SQLiteAdmin 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Wait command

[Robert Sneidar]

Only reason I can think to put a wait command in a running script is to give a 
change for an on idle handler to be triggered. If you DO have an idle handler 
running somewhere and IT has a problem that causes the engine to exit to top, 
that might be your bugaboo.

Bob


On Mar 2, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> I just spent a couple of hours debugging some code and narrowed it down to
> a "wait 0 with messages" command.
> 
> WIth that command in my script, nothing after it seems to get executed.
> When I take that command out, all works fine.
> 
> I'm obviously misunderstanding how the wait command works.  I assumed it
> would wait the specified amount of time, then continue executing commands
> following it in the script.
> 
> I have to admit, I'm not sure why the wait command is in the script in the
> first place but I'd grateful for any clarification of how "wait" works.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software 
> Home of lcStackBrowser  and
> SQLiteAdmin 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: How to find the application path?

[Robert Sneidar]

What an odd duck of a command! I wonder what it returns on mobile? I don’t do 
mobile yet so I cannot test it myself.

Bob


On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Chipp Walters  wrote:

> I dreamt the answer:
> 
> put the address
> 
> it works!
> 
> Chipp Walters
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Chipp Walters  wrote:
> 
>> I believe a few years ago I found an undocumented rev function which
>> returned the application path from a stack not part of the standalone.
>> 
>> Does anyone remember the function call? (It's not filename, that only
>> returns the path to the stack-- I'm looking for the app path.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Chipp Walters
>> 
>> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Getting rid of Unicode characters

[Robert Sneidar]

Plaintext will not remove characters, which is what he wants. What he REALLY 
wants is something to remove ann non-printing characters from a chunk. I cannot 
help but believe there is a regex way to do this. 

Bob


On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:

> Skip,
> 
> Have you looked at the plaintext property of fields? I think it converts 
> non-convertible characters to a '?' It might be a tool you could use.
> 
> Devin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:20 PM, "Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you!  This should give me something to go on.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> On 17/02/14 22:15, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>> 
 Is there a way to scan a field for "extra" characters or non-English
 characters?  I am trying to create a verification process for some
 imported
 text and get rid of these characters in one swoop.
 
 Any guidance here would be greatly appreciated as always!
 
 Thanks again,
 
 SKIP
>>> Have a play around with my stack available here: http://forums.runrev.com/
>>> viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18869
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: OT: Mr. Macintosh

[Robert Sneidar]

You mean to say… he’s not real??? Then who the hell have I been talking to all 
these years?

Bob


On Jan 26, 2014, at 8:01 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> 
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Scrolling group on iPad

[Robert Sneidar]

I may have asked you before I don't remember. I had a friend a long time ago 
named Jim Sims who used to have a handyman business in So Cal. Would that be 
you?

Bob Sneidar


On Aug 4, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Jim sims wrote:

> Solved - i think
> 
> Just in case somone else has a similar issue here is what i did.
> 
> At scrollerBeginDrag i set the filenames of the images to empty but kept
> text field text.
> 
> At scrollerEndDrag i reloaded the filenames into the images.
> 
> These images are all thumbnails so they load very quickly, plus there are
> not that many.
> 
> This will be done at a museum with a local server and apple airports things
> (maybe the only bottleneck) so it should be quick.
> 
> My test was fast with a server in Texas and me in Venice,
> Italy...wait...Jeez what am i doing at this desk!! Venice! Going to
> get gelato at the
> Rialto Bridge!!! Ciao ciao!
> 
> sims
> --
> 
> On Sunday, August 4, 2013, Jim sims wrote:
> 
>> I'm pretty sure now that it isn't the loading of images that is the
>> problem. I added code that verifies when all thumbnail images are loaded.
>> 
>> When i have only a few images the group scrolls well - up and down all i
>> want.
>> 
>> When i have many more images (say 20 instead of 7) then the group starts
>> to scroll and then freezes.
>> 
>> Tried lockloc of all controls but no happiness.
>> 
>> With a scrolling list fid i recall there is a limit to the number of lines
>> you can have and scroll with iOS - maybe around 200 lines. This problem i
>> now have feels like that one to me.
>> 
>> Do datagrids have a limit to the number of rows? If i recall i think he
>> loads only what is viewable and perhaps that gets around an issue like i
>> now have.
>> 
>> So i need a row consisting of: image  - text field - text field
>> 
>> Anyone got an example of something similar on a datagrid that i can
>> dissect?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for all the replies people.
>> 
>> sims
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, August 4, 2013, Scott Morrow wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, 'load'   I'm glad you were able to take my vague suggestion and
>>> clarify it!  Clarified it for me, too  :- )
>>> 
>>> If you are using LC version 6 then John's suggestion of 'prepare image'
>>> sounds great.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:27 AM, Jim sims  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for the reply Scott,
 
 You must be referring to "load" as in "load URL bla blah"
 
 Didn't think that was ok on iOS but reading the dictionary it sounds
>>> "sort
 of ok" - done without liburl in the background.
 
 Will give it a shot and see.
 
 Am in Venice, swapped my flat (flat for flat) for this excellent one
>>> that
 has a most excellent location - del Bovolo staircase outside the bedroom
 window. Hate to spend the day chasing this bug :-P but ya gotta do what
>>> ya
 gotta do...i reckon.
 
 sims
 
 On Sunday, August 4, 2013, Scott Morrow wrote:
 
> Jim, have you tried caching the images to the device first and then
> pointing at the cached files? (I don't believe this has anything to do
>>> with
> dataGrid or not dataGrid.)
> 
> --
> Scott Morrow
> 
> _
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: where are you guys

[Robert Sneidar]

So the Scotts really are descended from hobbits!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 17, 2013, at 12:02, Richmond  wrote:

> On 05/17/2013 09:56 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>> Hey Guys,
>> 
>> Its dinner time. I am wondering where you are! Please tell me over email
>> and possibly over SMS to +552199581066
>> 
>> cheers
>> andre
> 
> Somebody's eating 'dinner' very, very late indeed; as in Scotland, dinner is 
> normally eaten at about
> 1 o'clock in the afternoon.
> 
> Supper is eaten in the evening.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: where are you guys

[Robert Sneidar]

I'm right here!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 17, 2013, at 11:56, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> Hey Guys,
> 
> Its dinner time. I am wondering where you are! Please tell me over email
> and possibly over SMS to +552199581066
> 
> cheers
> andre
> 
> -- 
> http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code.
> http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service.
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Temporary Website Outage Expected

[Robert Sneidar]

I always expect outages. That way I'm never disappointed ;-)

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 10, 2013, at 7:50, Heather Laine  wrote:

> Dear List Members,
> 
> Just to let you know that we are doing some planned engineering works on our 
> website over the next few days. We expect the main website to be offline 
> between Saturday and Tuesday. This will also affect the forums, which will be 
> inaccessible during that period, and mail sent to support. This list should 
> be unaffected. The on-rev website is also expected to be offline, hosting 
> services themselves will be unaffected. 
> 
> We apologise for any inconvenience.  Please bear with us while we make these 
> necessary, exciting, and ultimately beneficial changes. 
> 
> Warm Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> http://www.runrev.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: [OT] Powered USB hub?

[Robert Sneidar]

If your wall has warts, you have bigger problems than your USB hub!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 8, 2013, at 14:19, "J. Landman Gay"  wrote:

> Okay you smart people: If I put an unpowered USB hub on a USB wall wart, will 
> I get a powered USB hub?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Finding orphaned "put"

[Robert Sneidar]

You should be able to do this in lc. 

Put the script of  into 
-- repeat loop to put the line number of each line before eeach line in the 
variable
Filter  with "*put*"
Filter  without "*into*"

Put a loop around it for every object in you project and build a list of 
objects and line numbers. 

Sorry I'm doing this on an iPhone and its tedious but it all works in my mind. 
Besides, I've had 3 beers so it should work!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 4, 2013, at 13:20, william humphrey  wrote:

> 2335 lines have the word "put". I haven't figured out how to tell BBedit to
> find just before a "return" and without the word "into".
> 
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Robert Sneidar  wrote:
> 
>> Off the top of my head, put the script into a variable. Filter with
>> "put*". Filter without "into". Not sure what you mean by orphaned.
>> 
>> Erm... Without "*into*"
>> 
>> Now that I think of it prolly have to filter for "*put*".
>> 
>> Bob Sneidar
>> IT Manager
>> Calvary Chapel CM
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>> On May 4, 2013, at 13:05, william humphrey 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I remember reading somewhere that version 6.0 or maybe GLX2 script editor
>>> has a way to find an orphaned "put".  Anybody have any suggestions? If I
>>> search for every "put" in my 6500 lines of code it will take a while and
>> my
>>> eyes will go blurry reading each one to check if it is putting to the
>>> message box or not. Maybe there would be a way to "turn off" having a PUT
>>> go right to the message box unless you say "put variable in the message
>>> box"?
>>> ___
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Finding orphaned "put"

[Robert Sneidar]

Off the top of my head, put the script into a variable. Filter with "put*". 
Filter without "into". Not sure what you mean by orphaned.

Erm... Without "*into*"

Now that I think of it prolly have to filter for "*put*". 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 4, 2013, at 13:05, william humphrey  wrote:

> I remember reading somewhere that version 6.0 or maybe GLX2 script editor
> has a way to find an orphaned "put".  Anybody have any suggestions? If I
> search for every "put" in my 6500 lines of code it will take a while and my
> eyes will go blurry reading each one to check if it is putting to the
> message box or not. Maybe there would be a way to "turn off" having a PUT
> go right to the message box unless you say "put variable in the message
> box"?
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Finding orphaned "put"

[Robert Sneidar]

Off the top of my head, put the script into a variable. Filter with "put*". 
Filter without "into". Not sure what you mean by orphaned.

Erm... Without "*into*"

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 4, 2013, at 13:05, william humphrey  wrote:

> I remember reading somewhere that version 6.0 or maybe GLX2 script editor
> has a way to find an orphaned "put".  Anybody have any suggestions? If I
> search for every "put" in my 6500 lines of code it will take a while and my
> eyes will go blurry reading each one to check if it is putting to the
> message box or not. Maybe there would be a way to "turn off" having a PUT
> go right to the message box unless you say "put variable in the message
> box"?
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Finding orphaned "put"

[Robert Sneidar]

Off the top of my head, put the script into a variable. Filter with "put*". 
Filter without "into". Not sure what you mean by orphaned. 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 4, 2013, at 13:05, william humphrey  wrote:

> I remember reading somewhere that version 6.0 or maybe GLX2 script editor
> has a way to find an orphaned "put".  Anybody have any suggestions? If I
> search for every "put" in my 6500 lines of code it will take a while and my
> eyes will go blurry reading each one to check if it is putting to the
> message box or not. Maybe there would be a way to "turn off" having a PUT
> go right to the message box unless you say "put variable in the message
> box"?
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: ANN GLX2 Script Editor 3.0.14

[Robert Sneidar]

That has to be the best disclaimer in the history of... Well... Disclaimers. 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On May 3, 2013, at 11:34, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Some custom properties have been
> deprecated, and they may resurrect themselves if they're in a
> previously-existing preferences file and cause undefined behavior.

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: coding for multiple databases

[Robert Sneidar]

mySQL DOES in fact have a boolean. You can use false and it equates to 0. True 
equates to 1. I use booleans all the time in my code and in my database 
structure. Where did you get that mySQL does not have a boolean type?

Bob


On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

> Unless my calendar is off, it's 2013.  mySQL doesn't even have a boolean,
> and SQLite can't handle TRUE without quotes.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Nested array comparisons

[Robert Sneidar]

I am curious what would happen if yo compare to arrays with different keys. I 
seem to remember something about array comparisons only comparing keys and not 
their values. I might have been dreaming after a bout with some bad pizza 
though...

Bob


On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:43 PM, David Beck wrote:

> 
> If one has two nested arrays, can you compare the two for equality by doing
> 
> if deepArray_1 is deepArray_2 then
>   -- do whatever
> end if
> 
> It looks like this does not work. That is, you get false positives at times 
> when the two arrays are in fact not equal. Can not find documentation to 
> determine whether this is bug of the expected behavior!
> 
> David Beck
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

[Robert Sneidar]

Flowcharts are for sissies! ;-) j/k. I never use them because nothing I develop 
is that complicated. 

Bob


On Mar 23, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Cal Horner wrote:

> My two cents worth.
> 
> I must admit I hadn't been following this thread but on a fine Sunday
> morning while catching up on correspondence
> 
> I found out a long time ago the best way for me to avoid mistakes was by
> following that principle of engineering. The rule of modeling my answer of
> the system or software I needed to construct before actually doing the job.
> 
> And that precept seems to have gone the way of the Dodo. I think that I can
> prove it by asking the question: 
> 
> How many of you use programming flowcharts to prove your answer before you
> actually begin to code?
> 
> From my experience over the past few years, I know that people are likely to
> dive in and began coding before sitting down and thinking about the solution
> first.
> 
> That's how I avoid mistakes. It's the old IBM adage - Think!
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Things that make you go Hmmmmm

[Robert Sneidar]

They finally got to the watched global crashes to desktop bug! They are making 
progress. 

Bob


On Mar 23, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> 
> On 24/03/2013, at 4:41 AM, Andrew Meit  wrote:
> 
>> I do hope with the huge donations, QA for LC gets what it needs -- now. 
>> Really!
> 
> Andrew have you been to RunRev QA lately. It's VERY responsive. RunRev have 
> really turned this area around in the last year. Sure there's issues that 
> need to be touched from when this wasn't so good but I think they are getting 
> to those when there's nothing new coming in so that might take a while.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> Monte Goulding
> 
> M E R Goulding - software development services
> mergExt - There's an external for that!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Things that make you go Hmmmmm

[Robert Sneidar]

I think it's common policy for software companies to not openly discuss bugs. 
Once a bug is confirmed and widespread, of course they have to acknowledge it, 
but I do not know of any company that openly publishes known bugs except for 
maybe Blizzard. 

Bob


On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:59 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Oh, quite; one thing that I feel one should expect from a company that is 
> producing an open Source product is Openness; and I do think that RunRev are 
> a bit on the quiet side when it comes to talking
> about some of those long-term bugs:
> 
> Some are sorted out silently - not good; we need to know; might make people 
> keener to pay for the next version.
> 
> Some are not sorted out and have been lurking in the background for ages.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Sauce Bottle

[Robert Sneidar]

Those were great machines for their time too! Lasted forever as you well know. 
I ported SBT for DOS to run on those Macs and we had our whole radio ministry 
using them for everything for many a year. 

Bob


On Mar 3, 2013, at 1:35 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 03/03/2013 11:11 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> On 03/03/2013, at 11:22 AM, Roger Eller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Do we also refer to it as LCIi?
> 
> Hey, I've got a Macintosh LC475 in my attic in Scotland; maybe the ghost of 
> Steve will 'do' RunRev through
> the courts.

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day

[Robert Sneidar]

A bit of eye candy and a couple unique features and this could be marketable, 
but I'd approach the people who own the trademark first. 

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On Feb 20, 2013, at 15:25, planix  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Last week I organised a trivia party with friends. We have been having a
> trivial pursuit championship over the last 12 months. Having organised the
> party I discovered that my electronic doo-hickey from the Trivia Pursuit
> publishers is no longer supported so I couldn't add any more questions. What
> to do? Well, if you have Livecode the answer is a bit obvious. Write my own.
> That's what I did. It's not flash and it's not fancy. But, it took me about
> a day to write an interface that allows me to upload trivia questions from a
> text document and then select categories of question to ask during the game.
> It's pretty much just an electronic pack of trivia pursuit cards.
> 
> The most interesting thing for me was that in that day of Livecoding I
> decided that this really needed to be delivered as a mobile app. I have not
> used Livecode for mobile development before so I thought this might be a
> really big ask. In fact, this was incredibly easy. I still have to work on
> resizing routines and I know I'm actually going to enjoy this tedious task
> because Livecode is such an easy environment to play around in.
> 
> So, right now, I have a working Android app that sits on my phone. If I
> spend a few more hours I know that I will have the same app prepared for
> deployment on devices with different screen sizes. And a few more hours and
> I will have developed a more efficient data management process as well.
> Given that I am not a professional programmer this has really only been
> possible because Livecode makes the task of developing application logic so
> straightforward.
> 
> Here is a screenshot of the app- on my Windows machine. Not sure how to get
> a screenshot of it running on my phone.
> trviaApp.png
>   
> 
> cheers
> 
> Alistair Campbell
> (Australia)
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660827.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Card scrolling

[Robert Sneidar]

The way I have heard to do this in the past is to create a group of all the 
controls on the card, then set the vScroll of the group to true. 

Bob


On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Nigel Soden wrote:

> Hi All 
> 
> I'm currently coding a application to work on the iPad. I need to but more 
> controls than can fit on the card. Is there a way to make the card scroll up 
> and down allowing controls that are of the card to be seen.  I'm developing 
> using the default card size settings for an iPad and unable to penetrate 
> lower than what's available on the card. 
> 
> I hope this makes sense.
> 
> Regards 
> Nigel
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: [OT] Tethering Problem

[Robert Sneidar]

Whenever that is true, there is a problem with the ISP DNS. Often they will 
move their primary DNS servers and not tell anyone or do a really poor job of 
it. Their previous primary DNS can sometimes fall into neglect, and no be 
updated properly or at all, in which case the request will timeout and your 
secondary DNS server, if specified will be queried. If that fails, then it will 
go down the list of DNS servers you or the DHCP server have specified, until it 
runs out, then the root hints will be queried, if your DNS server is configured 
with root hints. 

All of that is for naught however, since he specified that the only sites he is 
having a problem with are HTTPS sites. DNS problems would be pervasive. 

Bob


On Feb 19, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

> Sometimes switching from isp-provided DNS servers to OpenDNS on the PC can
> improve site performance.
> 
> ~Roger
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: [OT] Tethering Problem

[Robert Sneidar]

If that were the case nothing would work. I think he is having some kind of 
firewall issue or else a security cert issue. I am curious what software you 
are using to tether. I was tethering my iPhone, but Android is different. See 
first if there are any firewall settings in your tethering software. 

Bob


On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

>> Any ideas?
> 
> For your Google account have you set up "Authentication"? Perhaps your
> laptop has to be "authenticated" using your phone's "Authenticator"
> app.
> 
> That's an idea.
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Mac App Submit

[Robert Sneidar]

You do if there is no return in what you drag. If there is, it's like hitting 
the return key yourself, only you didn't. :-)

Bob


On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote:

> Terminal & unix may as well be Swahili to me. After dragging something onto 
> the Terminal window, I guess I simply assumed that you gotta hit the return 
> key for something to happen. 

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Build-time v Run-time

[Robert Sneidar]

Easy enough to just click the suppress messages button before opening the 
stack. You will probably want to keep messages suppressed in this situation if 
going to other stacks and cards is going to trigger actions that the openstack 
has not set up yet. You can make a handler called startApp or something similar 
that the preOpenStack handler traps, so you can call it at will when you need 
to do runtime testing. 

Bob


On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> On 15.02.2013 at 17:56 Uhr +0100 Graham Samuel apparently wrote:
>> Another naive questions, but this hasn't happened to me before, or at least 
>> I haven't recognised it properly.
>> 
>> I'm looking at some code written by an associate. As normal (to me) it's a 
>> mainstack and a lot of substacks. I want to tinker with the code, so I open 
>> the mainstack in the LC IDE, and immediately the program starts to run, even 
>> though the Edit tool is active in the toolbar rather than the Browse tool - 
>> it starts up and does stuff, like the IDE does. I don't want that, I want 
>> the code to remain entirely passive until I tell it to run!
>> 
>> How does a stack get into 'instant run mode' like that, and what can I do to 
>> stop it? Is there some way of creeping up on it so that no handler is 
>> executed?
>> 
> 
> Apparently, your associate coded something in one of the openXxxx handlers to 
> start execution. Those handlers run regardless of the IDE mode. To achieve 
> what you want, the code should check the environment (look it up in the 
> dictionary) and do not execute if it is "development". If you want to be able 
> to execute after all, to simulate standalone execution, you may add checking 
> whether the alt key is down, and if it is down, execute regardless of the 
> environment.
> 
> Robert
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Campaign update

[Robert Sneidar]

What about the people over at the Landsat project? If they haven't pledged so 
far, it wouldn't take much convincing to get them to see the huge advantage for 
them! A perpetual Livecode would be right up their alley!

Bob


On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Thanks for this. If you know any editors or bloggers you can continue to
> message them about us. I don't mean spam them, I just mean gentle
> pressure. Some of these folks are incredibly busy and need a little
> followup. We will also be releasing a new news story shortly (this one is
> about education which will help in some circles). We're on the lookout for
> any more news angles or hooks we can announce and will have more soon.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can code
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/02/2013 14:50, "Mark Schonewille" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Kevin. Any ideas of what we could do to get more coverage
>> outside the LC community, besides what is already listed?
>> 
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mark Schonewille
>> 
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>> 
>> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other
>> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>> 
>> We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a
>> quote.
>> 
>> On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send
>> an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try
>> again.
>> 
>> On 2/14/2013 00:06, Kevin Miller wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVk
>>> cU
>>> k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth

[Robert Sneidar]

I don't think the world needs less "bitchers", I don't think that is possible. 
What the world needs is far fewer people who listen to them. :-) 

Hey! That is going on my Facebook page!

Bob


On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:24 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Lotus Notes was basically destroyed by professional programmers bitching
> about the applications looking ugly.  No doubt there are all sorts of
> management issues with coding standards, security, maintainability, etc in
> such an environment.  But if a business goes bankrupt because they are
> missing years of money-making opportunities when building something in Java
> or C# takes too long, then niceties like coding standards or the aesthetics
> of an application are almost totally irrelevant.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode

[Robert Sneidar]

I can tell you why I haven't pledged. I am out of work! Now if someone wants to 
hire me as an in house developer, why that is a different story...

Bob


On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> 
> On 14/02/2013, at 7:48 AM, Pierre Sahores  wrote:
> 
>> Less than 70 peoples to pledge at least for £ 640 ? Seems reasonably 
>> impossible, is't ? Do we all needs to act now to encourage confident new 
>> pledges along the two for coming weeks ? 
> 
> Yes... I don't personally understand why the numbers at that level are so low 
> given what a good deal it is even if it were unrelated to going open source 
> and all the benefits that will bring.
> 
> --
> Monte Goulding
> 
> M E R Goulding - software development services
> mergExt - There's an external for that!


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LC speaking with other apps

[Robert Sneidar]

That seems like a very useful thing. 


On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Tom-
> 
> Monday, February 11, 2013, 8:45:03 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Any ideas or suggestions are welcome.
> 
> I've had to do this before and ended up with a whole event loop in a
> DLL, as if it were a Windows app. I don't have that in front of me
> right now but I'll try to dig it up and send it to you offlist.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions.

[Robert Sneidar]

heh heh. good one. 

Bob


On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Peter-
> 
> Monday, February 11, 2013, 4:33:11 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Reminds me of the bumper sticker I saw:
>> "I AM retired -- I was tired yesterday, and I'm tired again to day."
> 
> Could be worse.
> Yesterday I was tardy.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions.

[Robert Sneidar]

Oooohhh I love word games! Refried! Refrigerator! Redeem!

;-)


On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richmond-
> 
> Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:37:31 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Thanks.
> 
>> But that still doesn't quite explain the 're' of 'repackaged'.
> 
> Or the 're' of 'reduced'.
> Or the 're' of 'relax'.
> Or the 're' of 'reality'.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Programming SubReddit

[Robert Sneidar]

 

;-)


On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 2/9/13 6:52 PM, Jim Little wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Perhaps other, more experience LiveCoders, might weigh in on the subreddit.
>> 
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/
> 
> I object to his list, which assumes RR has "invented" a new language, and to 
> most of his critique which doesn't appear to understand it. You could point 
> out that the language was actually invented by Apple Computer, and at its 
> peak had millions of users, dozens of printed books, its own forums on 
> several online services, and produced thousands of utilities and programs 
> over the years. Some were better than others, but that was because the 
> language was so easy that children wrote with it, but also so sophisticated 
> that programmers produced award-winning products. When Apple discontinued 
> support, the language lived on in via a third-party port to Linux, and was 
> eventually taken up by RunRev, expanded tremendously, and is now extremely 
> powerful under a deceptively simple syntax.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: On-Rev websites

[Robert Sneidar]

JB 

On Feb 7, 2013, at 6:04 PM, JB wrote:

> How does it look now?
> 
> -=>JB <=-
> 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> 
>> and more, now that I'm back home and looking at the headers...
>> The original message came from
>> -= > JB 
>> 
>> while the subsequent messages came from
>> 
>> "-=>JB<=-" 
>> 
>> The first form is *very* suspicious (note the extra spaces and the
>> lack of quoting), and I'd suggest it not be used in the future. You're
>> both using Apple Mail, although different versions, and I think it's
>> probable that the receiving mail client is evaluating the redirector
>> if it's not quoted.
>> 
>> I'd actually advise not doing that weird stuff with your email name in
>> the first place, but it's your account to do with what you want.
>> 
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Background groups

[Robert Sneidar]

Ah! I thought you meant place by script. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Thanks Devin, perfect write up as usual.  Even answered my reply to Scott
> about how to place a group back on a card after it's been removed from all
> cards (Place Group on the Object menu).
> 
> I think I'm good to go now.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Background groups

[Robert Sneidar]

You've got it. Refer to it by name or ID, assuming your names are unique, or 
ID. I'm a staunch believer in every object having a unique name anyway, so I 
prefix all my objects with a 2 or 3 character code like bg, btn, fld, mnu etc. 
Sorts nicely in lists too. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Thanks Scott, think I have that straight.
> 
> On the remove command, I think I'm right in saying that if I remove a group
> from a card and it's the last instance of the group in the stack, it is
> still in the stack even though it's not any card.  If I subsequently want
> to put that group back on a card how do I refer to it in the place command?
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software 
> 
> 


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Another Hardrive went down!

[Robert Sneidar]

I think it depends on the usage. It also depends on your expectation for a 
classic drive with no SSD. Most recommend replacing a mission critical drive 
after 3 years whether or not you need to. Given that, an SSD drive may, with an 
adequate backup and recovery strategy, be a very good solution for those 
needing  the speed gains, which are significant, especially for disk 
intensive operations. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> http://maxschireson.com/2011/04/21/debunking-ssd-lifespan-and-random-write-performance-concerns/
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> The problem with pure SSDs is that they have a limited write-cycle lifetime.
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Another Hardrive went down!

[Robert Sneidar]

It won't. Remember the words of the prophet Murphy. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I have a 2TB WD drive, and so far that's going well. It's my Time Machine 
> drive, and has a backup of several older drives that have died. I may get 
> another one, to have a complete clone of the first one. Hopefully my luck 
> will hold out.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Another Hardrive went down!

[Robert Sneidar]

Love CCC. It will backup the entire hard drive as an exact duplicate, then you 
can schedule backups that only update the altered files. Why this approach? 
Because assuming both drives are the same form factor, you can simply replace 
the defective drive with the backup drive and be up and running in no time. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Now this is why I also use Carbon Copy Clone since I like to separately back 
> up my work folders on four drives AND still have a different Time Machine 
> back up as well. I still have my CCC BU's the only thing I lost was my older 
> monthly backups.
> Additionally I copy once a week by hand to a portable drive that I take with 
> me offsite.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Another Hardrive went down!

[Robert Sneidar]

WD had a problem with their one gig drives. Apple had to invoke a recall 
program for them because they put them into iMacs among other things, and the 
drives went bad typically before the warranty period was up, but many times 
just after. I also noticed they get hot. VERY hot. Too hot to hold if they are 
in an enclosure without adequate active cooling. I think there was a problem 
with their bearings. I have fried 2 of them. 

Their green series don't have this problem, but they run slower (to use less 
energy I suppose). But I agree. At present I think it's a good idea to steer 
clear of their 1gig+ drives until they figure out what is wrong. I favor 
Seagate right now. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Damn, I just had another Hard drive crash and burn. That's One computer and 
> my two 'oldest' WD hard drives in two months. I will never buy another WD 
> drive again. Period.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: IDE Recent Files list

[Robert Sneidar]

That may be why sometimes my typically predictable recent file list becomes a 
mishmash of all sorts of things I never opened. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Peter Haworth  writes:
> 
>> Is there a way to clear the contents of the ID File Menu Recent Files list?
> 
> You might also want to look at the revPreferences stack, and in particular the
> customproperties "cRecentPaths" and "cRecentStackPaths". I'm not sure why 
> there
> are two of these, and it's probably just a historical artifact of the IDE, but
> there you go.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Calling all Facebook denizens.

[Robert Sneidar]

Duly shared.

On Feb 8, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Richmond wrote:

> I have just seen the most recent video put out by Livecode:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghvYqwsgsmI&feature=share
> 
> and feel that it says a lot more than the previous offerings, so
> have posted it on my Facebook page with the following:
> 
> "Why crawl to one's goal with overly verbose and complex C++ or PASCAL,
> or whatever, when one can travel there in air-conditioned comfort with 
> Livecode."
> 
> Anybody who wants to 'rip off' my comment is welcome to (err . . . it's open 
> source).
> 
> This really should be splattered around all over the various "social" 
> networks.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: what is LCs output for different platforms?

[Robert Sneidar]

They take the engine minus the IDE stuff, and glue your stack to it, including 
substacks. The engine is I believe written primarily in C++ so I suppose you 
could tell them that. DBase worked similarly. You could either create a 
standalone app, or you could include a runtime engine and you source code in 
your distribution. Building a Livecode app with separate stacks included is a 
kind of mishmash of both approaches. 

Bob


On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:56 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just had a discussion with a (java and objective C) developer of iOS and
> android Apps and couldn't really explain what the output of LC is for the
> different platforms. This probably is discussed before more than once, but I
> didn't found a real answer.
> 
> Does LC has a  "native" engine in objective C, java etc. for every platform
> and "interprets" our scripts at runtime? Or does LC "compiles" our scripts
> for every platform in any native format? Or anything in between? Is the
> "apply" of a script just a save or kind of "precompilation" in a faster
> "machine code" to be interpreted at runtime?
> 
> If this is answered anywhere, perhaps somebody can give me a pointer?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tiemo


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: How to disable exit from an Android app

[Robert Sneidar]

Try trapping shutdownRequest. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:48 AM, tbodine wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I'm working on a kiosk project and need a way to block the user from
> quitting or switching out of the LiveCode app on an Android tablet. Is that
> possible with LiveCode or with an external?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Bodine
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-disable-exit-from-an-Android-app-tp4660347.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Uninstalling on Windows?

[Robert Sneidar]

I would say that between the two extremes, most software uninstalls leave user 
related files and settings on the computer. For one thing, the uninstall may 
not be permanent. It may be something the user does to "fix" something that 
seems wrong to him. For another thing, the user can easily delete said files if 
you put them in a readily accessible place and label them as such. Because of 
that, most users expect that their preferences and saved settings are going to 
be there when they reinstall. 

"Clean Freaks", well when it comes to computers, Clean Freaks are just 
obsessive compulsive people that someone gave a computer to, against all good 
judgement. I don't think anyone needs to worry about them... unless they know 
where you live.

Bob


On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Scott Rossi  writes:
> 
>> I totally agree, in principle.  In my case, the application is a game, and
>> the files to be deleted are text data, which are useless without the
>> application.  They don't contain any user created data (i.e. addresses,
>> personal info, etc) they are generated automatically by playing (progress)
>> or by downloading (levels).  So in this case, I don't think it's a big
>> deal to auto-remove, if possible.
> 
> What if I need to uninstall and reinstall the game? Would I lose the levels 
> I've
> already downloaded? Is there a downside to that?
> 
>> It seems like you can't win either way.
> 
> Pathologically true.
> 
>> The purists say "Don't remove
>> anything you didn't install!" and the neat freaks say "Dammit, I deleted
>> the app, I want all its files gone!"
> 
> That's where prompting the user comes in. Ask before wiping the files, and if
> they OK it, do the dirty and you're in the clear.

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Uninstalling on Windows?

[Robert Sneidar]

I came across this article for using WMIC: 
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2947/windows_uninstall_application_command_line/

If you know the product code, you can uninstall it using vbscript like this:
http://www.symantec.com/connect/downloads/uninstall-windows-installer-applications-using-vbscript

Not sure if this helps you, it may be that your problem is that the app has 
been modified, and so the uninstaller fails. 

Bob


On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Hi List:
> 
> What is the best way to set up a Windows installer to handle uninstall of
> user-generated files?
> 
> I developed a LiveCode application for Windows that saves settings and
> progress data to files placed in a couple of locations on the drive
> (Documents and AppData).  I tried to do "the right thing" by having my
> installer create these files (as opposed to my app), so they could be
> uninstalled by the user if they want to remove the program.  But the user
> can download additional files that get saved in their installation which,
> from what I can tell, prevents an uninstaller from removing the files since
> they weren't part of the original install.  How does one deal with this?
> 
> I'm using Inno Setup if that makes a difference.  Thanks for any insight.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: OT: Jasper Fforde

[Robert Sneidar]

Well... not surprising, since someone from the real world DID write it. ;-)

Bob


On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Richmond wrote:

>> (Seven books so far: The Eyre Affair, Lost in a Good Book, The Well of
>> Lost Plots, Something Rotten, First Among Sequels and One of our
>> Thursdays is Missing and The Woman Who Died a Lot (2012)
>> 
> 
> Sound more like the real world than perhaps a lot of us are prepared to admit 
> :)
> 
> I will certainly give the first one a try.
> 
> Richmond.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone?

[Robert Sneidar]

There you go, that was what I meant. If it was pronounced differently then 
there is the reason for it. 

Bob


On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 02/05/2013 11:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
>> I was going to say, what is the grammatical significance of beginning a word 
>> or name with two F's? Is it pronounced differently than one F?
>> 
>> Bob
> 
> No grammatical significance at all, but a historical one:
> 
> Names that begin with a double F are originally Welsh,
> 
> a single F being pronounced /v/, and a double F ('ff') being
> pronounced /f/ in Welsh.
> 
> This is because Welsh has an alphabet of only 20 letters - although,
> the Wikipedia article on the Welsh alphabet claims it has 28, which
> is nonsense; it has 20 letters and 8 digraphs - one of those digraphs being 
> 'ff'.
> 
> Richmond.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone?

[Robert Sneidar]

I was going to say, what is the grammatical significance of beginning a word or 
name with two F's? Is it pronounced differently than one F?

Bob


On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Richmond wrote:

> On 02/05/2013 10:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Richmond  writes:
>> 
>>> And we can now move to the logical corollary that as well as suffocation
>>> we should have
>>> 'inffocation' and 'preffocation' . . .  LOL
>> I assume that you're familiar with the work of Jasper Fforde...
>> 
> 
> No, I'm not ffamiliar with that man with a ffine sounding name.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: just for fun: pop quiz

[Robert Sneidar]

Once again, Jacque puts the kibosh on our "it's a bug!" session by injecting 
facts!  You can't have any fun around here anymore. ;-)

Bob


On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:40 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 2/3/13 1:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Can you think of a circumstance in which you've already specified to
>> read until EOF, and the command executes flawlessly just as you've asked
>> it to, yet you still need to be notified that it reached EOF?
> 
> The "read from file" command is a subset of the generic "read" command which 
> also includes reading from sockets and drivers (and by extension, reading 
> from servers.) They all have the same syntax, and in the MC dictionary 
> there's only one listing for them all. Because they are the same command 
> internally, they all share the same values in the result.
> 
> In the case of sockets and drivers it is possible to read without error but 
> not receive all the data due to communication issues. In that case you'd want 
> to know if the read had paused or had really finished.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: just for fun: pop quiz

[Robert Sneidar]

I think one of my guesses would have actually made more sense. Have the result 
return the number of characters read. That way you could check for zero in the 
result, and if not, you have the size of your chunk ready to go. But EOF in the 
result is surprising. It's hard to imagine the developer logic that drove them 
to this conclusion.

Bob


On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jerry Jensen wrote:
> 
> >>> On 03/02/2013, at 11:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>>
>  Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value
>  of tResult to be after successful execution of:
> 
>  open file tValidFilePath for read
>  read from file tValidFilePath until EOF
>  put the result into tResult
>  close file tValidFilePath
> 
> 
> >> On 03/02/2013, at 11:38 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> >>
> >>> empty?
> >>>
> > On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> >
> >> :-(
> >>
> > Me too. ;-(
> >
> 
> Curious, isn't it?
> 
> In my informal survey among people I've talked with the results were the same 
> as here, with nearly everyone guessing that a read command which executes 
> without error would have empty in "the result".
> 
> Instead, in the case of using specifically "...until EOF" or "...until end", 
> the result contains "eof".
> 
> This turns out to be documented (down in the fine print toward the bottom of 
> the Dictionary entry for "read from file", but not above in the section that 
> describes what "EOF" does), yet it's such a departure from the rest of the 
> language that I was tempted to flag it as a bug.
> 
> It's been around so long that they're not likely to change it, so I won't be 
> littering the RQCC with yet another unactionable request.
> 
> Still, does seem odd.
> 
> Can you think of a circumstance in which you've already specified to read 
> until EOF, and the command executes flawlessly just as you've asked it to, 
> yet you still need to be notified that it reached EOF?
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil.

[Robert Sneidar]

Yer the bomb, baby! ;-)

Bob


On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Hey Folks,
> 
> I am at a conference with eight thousand people camping on a tech venue
> with 30GB connection. We had a contest for mobile app creation for Firefox
> OS and I won 3rd place :-D
> 
> Now, back to the normal programming where I code LiveCode and help with the
> kickstarter
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Arrow Key Selection in Option Menus

[Robert Sneidar]

I would have said that a tool is used to make a product, while a product is 
produced using a tool. I don't get the proper use and prevention of use 
thingummy. 

Bob


On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:

>> One of the biggest challenges I find in developing is thinking of all the 
>> ways things could go wrong, or what users may do differently than expected 
>> that will affect the data, and then covering all those options.
> 
> Absolutely. Someone on this list (Richard Gaskin?) once observed that the 
> difference between a tool and a product is that a tool only has to be able to 
> be used properly, and a product must be unable to be used improperly. 
> Unfortunately too much software gets released without the "give it to users 
> to see if they can break it" testing.
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: just for fun: pop quiz

[Robert Sneidar]

Wait... the number of characters read?

On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult 
> to be after successful execution of:
> 
> open file tValidFilePath for read
> read from file tValidFilePath until EOF
> put the result into tResult
> close file tValidFilePath


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: just for fun: pop quiz

[Robert Sneidar]

empty

On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult 
> to be after successful execution of:
> 
> open file tValidFilePath for read
> read from file tValidFilePath until EOF
> put the result into tResult
> close file tValidFilePath
> 
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: A Personal Letter from Our CEO

[Robert Sneidar]

And I have never been able to trust another man who wants to run a sharp piece 
of metal over MY throat... and get paid for it! 

Bob


On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Richmond  wrote:
>> but the only thing that has really ever worried me about Kevin Miller is
>> that he has always been shaved to the lips.
> 
> I've never trusted the judgment of a man that will run a sharp piece
> of metal over his throat every morning before he fully wakes up . . .
> 
> 
> -- 
> Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LC MISTAKES

[Robert Sneidar]

This is actually a fairly good point. What most companies want to avoid is 
having to marry their developer. If only one or two people at a company knows 
how to develop in Livecode, and the company decides they are not working in the 
best interests of the company and want to get rid of them, this poses a major 
problem. It's why so many companies have adopted Microsoft for their networking 
architecture. 

Bob


On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> > 4. It's not main stream and therefore were are they going to find
> >developers.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LC MISTAKES

[Robert Sneidar]

Is this some kind of video game you are working on? Can I beta test it? ;-)

Bob


On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Nigel Soden wrote:

> Hi Joe
> So we've gone to the moon and back and are dreaming up scenarios that require 
> us to alter the inevitable courses of meteors to save a planet whose 
> inhabitants don't see that it is being destroyed by their collective 
> stupidity. I want to stop and smell the roses for a while; or do something 
> that is truly productive; like suing the entire government for violating 
> their oaths of offices and enslaving an entire nation to pay for and protect 
> the whimsies of the 1%. After a while we SHOULD get p***ed-off at all change 
> under the guise of progress and the need to survive. Do any of us deserve to 
> survive? Frankly, I was hoping we we're going to have to revert to bows and 
> arrows. That's my 99¢ worth. 
> Boy! Can I relate with that. 
> 
> But, I'm a fairly new-bee to LC and to date I must say that I look forward to 
> coming home after working in C# .Net (F...$%^&* usless. s) and working on 
> some projects for my son. The difference between the two is that I know one 
> works while the other pretends to work. :)
> 
> Nigel Soden


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LC MISTAKES

[Robert Sneidar]

Ok now I see. If the button is NOT a part of the group, the card gets the 
message first, THEN any background group. I have to say though that is an odd 
duck. Also, my example is causing LC to lock up after two or three times, and 
then attempting to select something. I'm not even going to try and find out 
why. 

Bob


On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Background groups receive messages after the card does, so passing a message 
> on the card will send it to the background group. If Joe maintains the HC 
> paradigm of a single background group then it works like HC did.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LC MISTAKES

[Robert Sneidar]

Okay I tested this. I put a simple handler in each object, the button, the 
group the button belonged to and the card. In each handler I passed the 
message. All the handler does is pop an answer dialog saying which object got 
the message. I set the group's background behavior to true. First the button 
got the message, then the GROUP got the message, then the CARD got the message. 

So maybe I am misunderstanding what Jacque is saying here. 

Bob


On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Background groups receive messages after the card does, so passing a message 
> on the card will send it to the background group. If Joe maintains the HC 
> paradigm of a single background group then it works like HC did.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LC MISTAKES

[Robert Sneidar]

That I did NOT know. So object, card, group object belongs to?? That doesn't 
make a helluvalotta sense to me. 

Bob


On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 2/1/13 8:29 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> In terms of hierarchy, where does that group fall? Like, if a card
>> script does a pass, does it go to the groups on the card?
> 
> Background groups receive messages after the card does, so passing a message 
> on the card will send it to the background group. If Joe maintains the HC 
> paradigm of a single background group then it works like HC did.
> 
> If more than one background group exists, then they each receive the message 
> in their layer order after the card gets it, provided one of the backgrounds 
> doesn't trap and stop the message.
> 
> Card groups get messages before the card gets them.
> 
> If you have a mix of card and bg groups, the card groups get the first shot 
> at the message, then the card gets it, then the background groups get it.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:19 PM, "J. Landman Gay"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> To reproduce HC backgrounds, just make a group, set its
>>> backgroundBehavior to true, and it's layer to 1. That's it. It will
>>> work like HC did. Limit yourself to a single background on a card
>>> and you have the old paradigm.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LC MISTAKES

[Robert Sneidar]

Object/group/card. 

Bob


On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> In terms of hierarchy, where does that group fall? Like, if a card script 
> does a pass, does it go to the groups on the card?
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:19 PM, "J. Landman Gay"  wrote:
> 
>> To reproduce HC backgrounds, just make a group, set its backgroundBehavior 
>> to true, and it's layer to 1. That's it. It will work like HC did. Limit 
>> yourself to a single background on a card and you have the old paradigm.
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LC MISTAKES

[Robert Sneidar]

It may help to not think of them as "backgrounds" anymore. They are shared 
groups. Any card can use any of the shared groups. This is really a vastly 
superior way of managing things, especially since the whole card = record 
moniker doesn't really work well in Livecode. Cards are really like forms now, 
into which you load your data, which is how dynamic web content works. The leap 
from Pascal to Hypercard was MUCH greater than from Hypercard to 
Revolution/Livecode. I don't find it that onerous, or I don't anymore once I 
gave up trying to do everything like I used to in Hypercard. Those on the list 
like Jacque can tell you I struggled a bit when I started, especially with 
databases. Once you get your hands dirty, it all falls into place though. 

Bob


On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> 2.  Though I certainly appreciated the multi-platform aspects and a few other 
> "tweaks"; I was flabbergasted to discover that RunRev had mangled the H/C 
> framework by eliminating the Background layer in stacks, providing a very 
> clumsy alternative method, so that the millions who could be adopting it from 
> H/C would have to re-implement most of their legacy stacks. It just wasn't 
> the same Object Hierarchy  any more. I tried to be upbeat with the articles I 
> wrote on MacInstruct about Revolution, but Revolution just wasn't a better 
> H/C. What RunRev did later in transitioning to LiveCode is a totally 
> different issue. The damage had already been done.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: ho lee kow

[Robert Sneidar]

I had to read that a couple of times to realize you did NOT mean that Bill 
Atkinson was his wife. :-)

Bob


On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> Also, in replying to me he cc'd his wife, Bill Atkinson...


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: to find the first numeric line?

[Robert Sneidar]

Great idea, but I think he wants to know the line position in the string. I 
could be wrong. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:

> Hi Tiemo,
> I haven’t tried this, but have you taken a look at the FILTER command?
> filter list with “[1-9]*”
> 
> Thanx,
> Mark Stuart
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: iPad stack downloading

[Robert Sneidar]

I wonder if what they mean is that an app cannot be CAPABLE of downloading 
executable code? In which case, this fails the test. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2013, at 10:11 AM, FlexibleLearning.com wrote:

> Is it allowed to download a stackfile of images for an iPad app?
> 
> I'd like the User to be able to download paid-for sets of artwork for use by
> an app. What is the appropriate way to accomplish this? I think I know that
> Apple does not permit an app to download executable code, but a stackfile of
> images has no code.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: to find the first numeric line?

[Robert Sneidar]

Sounds like a job for regex??

Bob


On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a list with alphanumeric and numeric content. After sorting numeric I
> would like to find the first line with a numeric first char. (the non
> numeric lines before can contain also numeric chars). I would like to have a
> kind of lineoffset(isNumber(first char.),list,), but that's not prebuilt.
> 
> What would be the fastest or most straight forward way to look up such a
> list? Just looping through? Testing the first char every half of the list in
> a loop? Or is there a function I don't think of?
> 
> Thanks for any pointers
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: LiveCode Kickstart widget is in place

[Robert Sneidar]

You should hang out here more often Heather!

Bob


On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Heather Laine wrote:

> Francis, thank you!
> 
> The support we are getting from all you guys is fabulous!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> On 31 Jan 2013, at 16:32, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> 
>> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
>> 
>> LiveCode Kickstart widget incorporated in the
>> index page of my genealogy site :
>> 
>>http://www.nugent.fr
>> 
>> as requested !
>> 
>> …… and on my Facebook page.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> -Francis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: ends not / begins not …. not possible?

[Robert Sneidar]

heh heh. Love that furry little munchkin. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:57 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> you here like Yodah need to speak :-D


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: ends not / begins not …. not possible?

[Robert Sneidar]

if not (tFile ends with ".xls")

Bob


On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:49 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> am i doing something wrong or is it really not possible to check if a string 
> does not begin/ends with a prefix/suffix
> 
> 
> If tFile ends not with ".xls" then…..
> 
> This does not work.  Is it really not possible?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> --
> Matthias Rebbe
> matthias (at) rebbe.tk
> Tel +49.5741.31
> Tel +49.160.5504462
> --
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: put the qtversion crashes

[Robert Sneidar]

Wrap the code into try catch and see if that crashes. Just a thot. It may 
still. It sounds like the mechanism for querying for Quicktime is doing 
something external to the app that is making the OS wiggy. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a customer, where my program just crashes on windows when asking for
> quicktime: "put the qtversion" and quicktime is not installed.
> 
> Usually this works without any problems, but this specific customer tried to
> install my program on three different Windows machines (XP) and it crashed
> on all three machines as far quicktime was not installed. After quicktime
> was installed, everything was fine.
> 
> Any idea what is going on here? Any similar experiences?
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Coding challenge

[Robert Sneidar]

OIC now. 3 & 3 is the best answer but  the algorithm produces 4 + 1 + 1. Well I 
think the issue here is that currency is never (or almost never) designed this 
way. No one would make a 3 dollar bill coincidentally with a 4 dollar bill. 
There would be no practical reason to. 

And yet I remember for a time the USA produced a one dollar bill and a two 
dollar bill. So never say never! :-)

It seems that when creating currency values, one of the overriding principles 
OUGHT to be that each smaller value ought to divide evenly into all the larger 
values. I'm sure this is what was intended with American currency when it was 
first created in it's present form. Otherwise making change becomes rather 
tedious. 

Bob


On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote:

>> From: Mark Wieder
>> 
>>> Now how would you do it if the available coin values were:
>> 
>>>40,30,10,4,3,1
>> 
>>> That's a more interesting problem, but probably a less 
>>> interesting coding
>>> test, because I think it would involve a more brute force 
>>> approach, less
>>> elegance.
>> 
>> I'm missing something. Why would that be different?
> 
> How would you represent 6?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Ciao,   Paul D. DeRocco
> Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Coding challenge

[Robert Sneidar]

4 and 2 1's? Isn't the test to produce the  result with the least amount of 
coins? This would still work. The idea is to try and fit the largest coin value 
into the remainder each time, until the remainder is zero. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:54 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

> Paul.
> 
> 
> As six pennies. As long as you have a "1", you should be OK.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul D. DeRocco 
> To: 'How to use LiveCode' 
> Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:57 am
> Subject: RE: Coding challenge
> 
> 
>> From: Mark Wieder
>> 
>>> Now how would you do it if the available coin values were:
>> 
>>>40,30,10,4,3,1
>> 
>>> That's a more interesting problem, but probably a less 
>>> interesting coding
>>> test, because I think it would involve a more brute force 
>>> approach, less
>>> elegance.
>> 
>> I'm missing something. Why would that be different?
> 
> How would you represent 6?
> 
> -- 
> 
> Ciao,   Paul D. DeRocco
> Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Coding challenge

[Robert Sneidar]

Ah, but you DID remember it! Which is more that I seem capable of these days. 
:-)

Bob


On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/30/13 10:38 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
>> I think, as usual, Jacque's is the most original.
> 
> Thanks, but it's really just a variation on calculating digital time (hours, 
> mins, secs) from seconds. I didn't think up that one.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Coding challenge

[Robert Sneidar]

Someone should post Jacques as an example of how coding in Livecode is so much 
more compact. 

Bob


On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/30/13 10:29 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> And everyone but me seemed to think of listing the number of coin
>> types. I got lazy and just repeated the coin if necessary.
>> 
> 
> Regardless, all the solutions are  way more readable than the web page 
> examples.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Courier Prime font

[Robert Sneidar]

Thanks for that Mark. Now we can have a not-so-crappy monospaced font. It 
actually looks pretty nice. 

Bob


On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Released under the SIL Open Font License (OFL) license.
> 
> http://quoteunquoteapps.com/courierprime/
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

[Robert Sneidar]

Sorry Kevin. I went down the list before posting:
Religion? no...
Politics? not really.
Cheese? Unless they are firing cheese bullets, not. 

Okay good to post! 

Apparently not, so I have taken this off list. Thanks for your patience. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Ah yes, as is longstanding policy, we have established that discussions
> that mention cheese are not such a good thing. Time to stop this thread I
> think.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

[Robert Sneidar]

Kevin, any chance you can get this into Apple's RRS feed?

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> We reached out to him as soon as he backed us. Looks like he just posted
> on http://boingboing.net
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

[Robert Sneidar]

My sister made me do it! 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Colin-
> 
> Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:40:08 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> At the end of the KickStarter process you're invited to post on
>> Twitter and Facebook, which I did. Don't think I'll get as many
>> visits as Pete's home page though!
> 
> Of course, there are still some of us who don't tweet or  word here for whatever they do on facebook>. I *will*, however, post
> the url to my ex-Apple linkedin groups. Should generate some interest
> that way.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

[Robert Sneidar]

Peter, I said Assault Weapons, or as some call them Semi-automatic rifles. 
Handguns are a whole other matter. The majority of handgun murders are 
committed by known gang members in inner cities. My point is, making guns 
illegal is not going to stop these people from getting guns, anymore than 
existing laws against felons having guns does. Laws prevent nothing is my big 
point here. Only the lawful obey laws. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Sorry, but I can't let that pass.  Every time the subject of gun control
> comes up in the press, completely unfounded statements are thrown around by
> the like of the NRA and others who are against gun control, and the
> baseball bat/hammer is one of them.
> 
> According to the FBI 2011 stats, weapons used in homicides were:
> 
> Firearms: 67.8%
> Knives: 13.4%
> Hands/fists/feet/etc: 5.7%
> Blunt objects: 3.9%
> Other dangerous weapons: 9.7%
> 
> Presumably a baseball bat or a hammer would be classified as a "blunt
> object" or possibly "other dangerous weapon".  Either way, it's not even
> close when compared to firearms.
> 
> Sorry for the totally off topic rant.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Robert Sneidar  wrote:
> 
>> I was shocked to find out that far fewer people are killed with
>> semi-automatic rifles (called Assault weapons) than with hammers or
>> baseball bats. No one would ever think of even registering who has a hammer
>> or baseball bat! Never mind making them illegal. New laws will solve
>> nothing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

[Robert Sneidar]

It's my experience in life that almost nothing is linear. It will be important 
for all of us to get the word out (which I suppose we should have been doing 
all along). I have posted on my Facebook page and alerted people at my (former) 
place of employment. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Shawn Blc wrote:

> If we keep on this track our KS project will be over £700,000!  Awesome!
> 
> Being a little optimistic here --->  Looking forward to being part of
> the largest funded KS project ever!


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

[Robert Sneidar]

Both of them together? Hmmm... that will put you out 10,000 quatloos at least! 
They would probably toss in the other team members as a bonus though. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
>> Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days
>> and our backer wants to talk some serious tech geek.
> 
> I want both of you. And you could throw in a few other team members too. :)
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: What if....

[Robert Sneidar]

I believe if you change that to or, you will throw an error. Or at least you 
should! Thinking about this, it may be simpler to think of AND comparisons a 
single expressions and OR comparisons as delimiting multiple expressions. In a 
SINGLE LOGICAL EXPRESSION evaluation will terminate when a false is 
encountered. If you think of what comes after OR as a NEW LOGICAL EXPRESSION it 
all makes perfect sense. To my twisted brain anyway. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:

> One situation when the order of evaluation is important is if you have 
> conditions that limit the scope of a general handler, eg:
> 
> if "field" is in the target and the locktext of the target = true then…


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: What if....

[Robert Sneidar]

if false and false or true then

becomes:
if (false and false) or true then

becomes:
if false or true then

becomes:
if true then
answer "Got it 4!"

You are thinking of false and true as individual statements and they are not. 
The whole condition is one statement. 

Or if you like, the ands are one statement, which evaluates to false, and then 
there is a new statement to evaluate: false or true. Either way it works. 

Bob


On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:56 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote:

> 
> On 2013-01-28, at 11:40 PM, Thierry Douez wrote:
> 
>> don't have to check for each sub-condition  if it is true, for instance:
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong, but the way I read statement 4, the first condition is false 
> (if false and false) so the if statement continues to the second condition 
> (or true) and returns "true".
> 
> I thought in this case the If statement will stop on a true statement but not 
> on a false (unless that is what you specify).
> 
> e.g. if false and false or true is false then ## = False
> 
> Paul
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: What if....

[Robert Sneidar]

It's order of precedence. AND before OR. 

Bob


On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Thierry Douez wrote:

> Hi Jacques,
> 
> Thanks for testing.
> 
> Umm, I don't have the correct answers.
> 
> The first test gives me False, which should be the same
> as the fourth case which gives True!
> 
> Or, did I miss something ?
> 
> Thierry
> 
> 2013/1/28 J. Landman Gay 
> 
>> On 1/28/13 6:36 AM, Thierry Douez wrote:
>> 
>> So, smart livecoders, try to guess what would be the 4 answers to this
>>> script;
>>> then run it and thanks to comment :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>if false or true and false then
>>>   answer "Got it 1!"
>>>else
>>>   answer "False 1!"
>>>end if
>>>if false or (true and false) then
>>>   answer "Got it 2!"
>>>else
>>>   answer "False 2!"
>>>end if
>>>if false or true then
>>>   answer "Got it 3!"
>>>else
>>>   answer "False 3!"
>>>end if
>>>if false and false or true then
>>>   answer "Got it 4!"
>>>else
>>>   answer "False 4!"
>>>end if
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>> 
>> Got them all correct the first time. :P
>> 
>> 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: What if....

[Robert Sneidar]

False 1!
False 2!
Got it 3!
Got it 4!

Off the top of my head. 

Bob


On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Thierry Douez wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> 2013/1/27 Peter Haworth 
> 
>> Musings about complex if statements on this Sunday morning...
>> 
>> if cond1 and cond2 and cond3 and cond4 then.
>> 
>> if cond1 then
>>   if cond2 then
>>  if cond3 then
>> if cond4 then...
>> 
>> if cond1 and cond2 and (cond3 and cond4) then
>> 
>> Just curious.
>> Pete
>> 
> 
> Wanting to show you in few lines of code, some differences with or wihtout
> the (),
> I came accros this interesting riddle...
> 
> So, smart livecoders, try to guess what would be the 4 answers to this
> script;
> then run it and thanks to comment :)
> 
> 
> on mouseUp
>   if false or true and false then
>  answer "Got it 1!"
>   else
>  answer "False 1!"
>   end if
>   if false or (true and false) then
>  answer "Got it 2!"
>   else
>  answer "False 2!"
>   end if
>   if false or true then
>  answer "Got it 3!"
>   else
>  answer "False 3!"
>   end if
>   if false and false or true then
>  answer "Got it 4!"
>   else
>  answer "False 4!"
>   end if
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Thierry
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: What if....

[Robert Sneidar]

I should rephrase that. If condition 1 and/or 2 involve long time consuming 
evaluations, there would be an advantage the putting conditions 3 and 4 in 
parens, since they would be evaluated first, saving time in some instances. But 
the way to do that is put your time consuming evaluations last where they will 
be evaluated last by natural order.

Bob


> Doesn't matter. It's like saying 1 + 2 + (3 + 4). That is why they use + as 
> the AND operator in boolean logic. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> The manual says the grouping operator (parens) has the highest precedence
>> so does this mean (cond3 and cond4) will be evaluated before cond1 and
>> cond2?
>> 
>> Just curious.
> 

___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: What if....

[Robert Sneidar]

Doesn't matter. It's like saying 1 + 2 + (3 + 4). That is why they use + as the 
AND operator in boolean logic. 

Bob


On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> The manual says the grouping operator (parens) has the highest precedence
> so does this mean (cond3 and cond4) will be evaluated before cond1 and
> cond2?
> 
> Just curious.


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: What if....

[Robert Sneidar]

Yes. You can do stuff in between the conditionals in example 2 whereas you 
cannot in example one. 

Bob


On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Musings about complex if statements on this Sunday morning
> 
> Lets say you have a complex if statement with 4 conditions that must all be
> true.  Is there any advantage, other than personal preference/style, to:
> 
> if cond1 and cond2 and cond3 and cond4 then.
> 
> or
> 
> if cond1 then
>   if cond2 then
>  if cond3 then
> if cond4 then...
> 
> In either case, as soon as a condition evaluates to false, none of the rest
> are evaluated, right?  If so, then always best to put the conditions that
> take the longest to evaluate further down the list, for example perhaps an
> SQL SELECT statement that might take a while to execute?  But then what if
> some of the conditions are in parens, for example:
> 
> if cond1 and cond2 and (cond3 and cond4) then
> 
> The manual says the grouping operator (parens) has the highest precedence
> so does this mean (cond3 and cond4) will be evaluated before cond1 and
> cond2?
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software 
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

[Robert Sneidar]

Oh never mind I already have that!! I thot it meant Lifetime Renewal! I would 
probably have gone for that! 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> That's correct. Unlike the pay as you go licenses which are essentially
> software rental, the perpetual license is just that - perpetual.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

[Robert Sneidar]

There's a perpetual license?? How do I get one of those??

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Yes existing licenses remain the same until the end of their term.
> Existing perpetual licenses are just that - perpetual. You can see more
> details in the FAQ http://runrev.com/home/ks1/?preview
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

[Robert Sneidar]

I hear the devil's from there. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:48 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> 
> On 29/01/2013, at 9:45 PM, Björnke von Gierke  wrote:
> 
 Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and 
 yours isn't in it?
>>> 
>>> Lol.. Taswhere?
>> 
>> I'm sorry, i didn't catch what you meant, can you elaborate a bit more?
> 
> I live in Tasmania... 
> 
> --
> Monte Goulding


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Apology for 'Challenging new property inspector'

[Robert Sneidar]

Thanks to you guys, all the good rocks are taken. I can only stand here on 
idiot street and get rained on. 

Bob


On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Me too, but I still peep out from under my rock every now and then.
> Pete


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Apology for 'Challenging new property inspector'

[Robert Sneidar]

I think honest mistakes are recognized as such, but I mainly wanted to prevent 
even more unwitting emails that may have divulged more than this one did. 

Bob


On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Sumner, Walt wrote:

> Hi, folks, I clearly posted a message to the wrong list last week, starting a 
> bit of a storm. I'd like to follow up with a public word of thanks to Richard 
> Gaskin for gentle, private redirection; also to Richmond Mathewson and Bob 
> Sneider for similar corrections, and to Jacqueline for trying to calm the 
> storm. It is a friendly and helpful community, which is nice if you're having 
> a particularly clumsy week.
> 
> I'll slink back under my rock now and try to avoid causing any more trouble.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Walt
> ___
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode