Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Aloha, Charles:

This connection speed feedback looks awesome. 

Does TSnet handle/monitor speed on all all the port 80/443 calls? 

set the url of widget "browser" to "https://www.himalayanacademy.com";  

I created a "horrible hack" to ping our server every few milliseconds ala 
Apple's own web page for this which returns a single word "success" but I'm 
hitting our own server instead.

local sConnectedStatus, sPingCount

on pingServer 
if sConnectedStatus = true then
 put 0 into sPingCount
 exit pingServer
 else
 if sPingCount is > 10 then
 put "false" into sConnectedStatus
 # disable some modules that need the internet or put 
up a message 
 put 0 into sPingCount
 exit pingServer
 else
 add 1 to sPingCount
 put url "http:www.himalayanacademy.com/ping.txt" to sConnectedStatus # 
contains one word: "true"
 send pingServer to me in 333 milliseconds
 end if 
 end if
end pingServer

function getConnectedStatus
  return sConnectedStatus
end getConnecdtedStatus

# where any given module can decide to try again … by issue pingServer at a 
later time.
-

the above actually works… there is probably a more sophisticated "best 
practices" way to do this… but my "baby XTalk" works… basically tries for 
almost 3 seconds + to access the internet before informing the user they are 
not connected

OTOH, I see Spotify will tell me "not connected" to the internet if I am on a 
very low 3G connection where the phone at "one bar" bandwidth" They obviouslydo 
not want users to have a bad experience trying to stream some music or podcast. 
I would be interesting to know their metric for when they consider the users 
disconnected.

So it would really be great, even for simple web calls, to inform users 
something like "Low bandwidth detected. Please be patient, items called from 
our server will take a bit more time."  or something "sweet" like that.. 
instead of just a loading icon that "takes forever"  (from the user point of 
view). In some case we need to be even more "dramatic" e.g. 

"This new module is a 22MB of download data, your bandwidth is low. Do you want 
to continue, or wait until you are on WIFI?" with "Cancel" or "Continue 
Download"


On 7/13/17, 12:52 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Charles Warwick via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

 They allow you to set a minimum number of 
bytes that must be sent/received within a specified time period for the 
connection to be considered acceptable by tsNet. If the speed of 
transfer falls below that amount, the connection will be timed out 
returning control to your script.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Charles Warwick via use-livecode]

Hi Dan,

The resetAll command is very destructive, in that it closes all 
currently open connections.  In certain circumstances it has been 
required when using the traditional libUrl library to work around 
network errors and in order to maintain feature parity, it does also 
work with tsNet.


However I generally would not recommend using it with tsNet as there are 
other mechanisms available in tsNet to enable it to handle network 
problems more gracefully.


I recommend taking a look at the tsNetSetTimeouts function that is 
available in tsNet 1.2.10 (which is included in LC 8.1.5).  In 
particular, have a look at the pLowSpeedTime and pLowSpeedLimit 
parameters to that function.  They allow you to set a minimum number of 
bytes that must be sent/received within a specified time period for the 
connection to be considered acceptable by tsNet. If the speed of 
transfer falls below that amount, the connection will be timed out 
returning control to your script.


This should prevent connections from stalling and not returning - which 
is generally where the use of resetAll comes into play.


If you are using apps within a mobile environment where network 
connectivity can come and go frequently, it may also be worth setting 
"tsNetLibUrlReuseConnection false" at the start of your application.


Having said all of that, it is still possible to use resetAll, though 
some care must be taken.  With tsNet, it briefly disables the external 
and then re-enables it.  My guess is that another handler is trying to 
process a URL request while the resetAll is being performed.


The easiest way to see if tsNet is in use by libUrl is:

putthebehaviorofstack"revLibUrl"intotLibUrlDriver
if tLibUrlDriver isemptythen
answer"tsNet is disabled"
else
answer"tsNet in use"
end if

Best Regards,

Charles

On 13/07/2017 4:34 AM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:

Charles,

Yes, I do have resetAll in my scripts.   I use it when a communications error 
has occurred as a way to reset and try again.  If tsNet is in play, I gather I 
should not call resetAll?  If not, is there something else I should be doing?  
Also, is there a way (via a property) to determine if tsNet or libURL is 
handling the network?

Thank you!
  
-Dan
  


On 7/12/17, 9:38 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of 
use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com"  wrote:

 Hi Dan,
 
 The error message "Not initialised" (the spelling is correct depending

 on where you live ;-) ) indicates that the tsNet external isn't running.
 
 If you are using libUrl which I am guessing you are, tsNet is

 initialised on startup, so this would indicate that it has either been
 shut down by calling tsNetClose directly, or by a call to the libUrl
 "resetAll" or "libUrlCancel" commands (which temporarily shut down the
 external and start it back up to clear all connections).
 
 I have seen code posted on the list in the past which invoked "resetAll"

 to deal with issues in older versions of libUrl.  Do you use these
 commands at all in your project?
 
 Regards,
 
 Charles


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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Dan Friedman via use-livecode]

Charles,

Yes, I do have resetAll in my scripts.   I use it when a communications error 
has occurred as a way to reset and try again.  If tsNet is in play, I gather I 
should not call resetAll?  If not, is there something else I should be doing?  
Also, is there a way (via a property) to determine if tsNet or libURL is 
handling the network?

Thank you!
 
-Dan
 

On 7/12/17, 9:38 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of 
use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com"  wrote:

Hi Dan,

The error message "Not initialised" (the spelling is correct depending 
on where you live ;-) ) indicates that the tsNet external isn't running.

If you are using libUrl which I am guessing you are, tsNet is 
initialised on startup, so this would indicate that it has either been 
shut down by calling tsNetClose directly, or by a call to the libUrl 
"resetAll" or "libUrlCancel" commands (which temporarily shut down the 
external and start it back up to clear all connections).

I have seen code posted on the list in the past which invoked "resetAll" 
to deal with issues in older versions of libUrl.  Do you use these 
commands at all in your project?

Regards,

Charles

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

You mean, you want to call that in the standalone?
I am not sure. I would say this  is a question either for Charles Warwick or 
the people at Livecode.
 
> Am 12.07.2017 um 17:13 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Matthias,
> 
> If I build the standalone with tsNet selected, could I call:
> 
>   dispatch "revUnloadLibrary" to stack "tsNetLibUrl"
> 
> at runtime to switch back to libURL?   If so, this would give me the option 
> to use either one.
> 
> Thanks!
> -Dan
> 
> 
> On 7/11/17, 6:13 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of 
> use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com"  on behalf of use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>Hi Dan,
> 
>reading my comment makes me think that it is confusing.
>What i wanted to say was,
> 
>To use the ?old? libURL unload tsNET as described, then create the 
> standalone.
>The standalone then will use the old libURL.
> 
>One little caveat. The created standalone still contains the tsNET 
> external, although it does not use it. See Bug?19900 
> 
> 
>Regards,
>Matthias
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Dan Friedman via use-livecode]

Matthias,

If I build the standalone with tsNet selected, could I call:

   dispatch "revUnloadLibrary" to stack "tsNetLibUrl"

at runtime to switch back to libURL?   If so, this would give me the option to 
use either one.

Thanks!
-Dan


On 7/11/17, 6:13 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of 
use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com"  wrote:

Hi Dan,

reading my comment makes me think that it is confusing.
What i wanted to say was,

To use the ?old? libURL unload tsNET as described, then create the 
standalone.
The standalone then will use the old libURL.

One little caveat. The created standalone still contains the tsNET 
external, although it does not use it. See Bug?19900 


Regards,
Matthias

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Charles Warwick via use-livecode]

Hi Dan,

The error message "Not initialised" (the spelling is correct depending 
on where you live ;-) ) indicates that the tsNet external isn't running.


If you are using libUrl which I am guessing you are, tsNet is 
initialised on startup, so this would indicate that it has either been 
shut down by calling tsNetClose directly, or by a call to the libUrl 
"resetAll" or "libUrlCancel" commands (which temporarily shut down the 
external and start it back up to clear all connections).


I have seen code posted on the list in the past which invoked "resetAll" 
to deal with issues in older versions of libUrl.  Do you use these 
commands at all in your project?


Regards,

Charles


On 12/07/2017 3:33 AM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:

I am porting a large project from LC 7 to 8.1.5.  Occasionally, I get this 
error when accessing the internet:  “tsneterr: Not initialised” (misspelled, by 
the way).   It works fine for a while, then it just fails.  And, once it fails 
you have to completely restart.  Sometimes LC even crashes!

It seems to be happening when one network connection isn’t finished and it 
tries to start another one.   I did not have this problem in LC 7 using libURL. 
 So, I’m pretty confident it’s something with tsNet.

If it’s because tsNet calls are crashing into each other, and If all calls [by 
default] are blocking, how could one connection be started before the previous 
one is completed?

I had this problem with previous versions of 8.1, but I was hoping it would be 
fixed in 8.1.5.

Anyone have any insight?   I would very much like to move forward with tsNet, 
but if this isn’t resolved, I can’t.  Is it possible to continue with 8.1.5, 
and still use the old libURL?


-Dan

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Ben,

It is safer to those steps every time you have to use a different Xcode
version (with older LC versions), since if you don't that, you *might* see
some unexpected (and completely non-descriptive) errors when building iOS
standalones.

May I ask why you have to switch back to an older LC version? Is there a
bug in the current newest LC version that prevents you from using it?

Best,
Panos
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On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Panos.
>
> But what happens when switching back to an older LC which references an
> older Xcode - do I have to redo the incantation below each time? Or should
> it always be set to the latest Xcode, regardless of which one LC is using
> to build with?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Ben
>
>
> On 11/07/2017 18:00, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Yes, this error means that still the old_path_to_xcode_command_line_tools
>> is used (i.e. the /Applications/Xcode.app one). You can change it in two
>> ways:
>>
>> 1) Open a terminal and type:
>>
>> sudo xcode-select -s path/to/new/xcode.app
>>
>> e.g. for me this is:
>>
>> sudo xcode-select -s /Users/panos/Builds/Platforms/Xcode_8_3_3/Xcode.app
>>
>>
>> OR
>>
>>
>> 2) Open the new Xcode and go to menubar Xcode -> Preferences -> Locations
>> and choose the path_to_the_new_Xcode in "Command Line Tools:"
>>
>>
>> What those options do is set the path to the command line tools that will
>> used when commands such as "xcrun" are called from within LiveCode. Those
>> commands are called when building iOS standalones from the Standalone
>> Builder.
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Panos
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Panos,
>>>
>>> On 10/07/2017 18:20, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>> @MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app? BTW
 I
 would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
 problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
 in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode
 version. I
 have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc,
 and
 each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.


>>> When I've tried something along these lines, I get an error when building
>>> standalones that specifically refers to the path /Applications/Xcode.app,
>>> as if somewhere in the process it has been hardwired. The error is:
>>>
>>>  linking for arm failed with xcrun: error: active
>>>  developer path
>>>  ("/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer")
>>>  does not exist, use ‘xcode-select --switch
>>>  path/to/Xcode.app‘ to specify the Xcode that
>>>  you wish to use for command line developer
>>>  tools (or see ‘man xcode-select‘)
>>>
>>> I've had to settle for moving the various versions of Xcode in and out of
>>> sub-folders, and resetting preferences, each time I switch between LC
>>> versions.
>>>
>>> Evidently you've found a way of making this work - do you know what the
>>> magic might be?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Dan,

reading my comment makes me think that it is confusing.
What i wanted to say was,

To use the “old” libURL unload tsNET as described, then create the standalone.
The standalone then will use the old libURL.

One little caveat. The created standalone still contains the tsNET external, 
although it does not use it. See Bug 19900 


Regards,
Matthias

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> Am 11.07.2017 um 21:26 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Dan,
> 
> before creating the standalone you can disable the tsNet external
> To unload:
> 
>  dispatch "revUnloadLibrary" to stack "tsNetLibUrl"
> 
> To load again:
>  dispatch "revLoadLibrary" to stack “tsNetLibUrl"
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
> ‌matthiasrebbe.eu   >‌
> 
>> Am 11.07.2017 um 19:33 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> 
>> > >>:
>> 
>> I am porting a large project from LC 7 to 8.1.5.  Occasionally, I get this 
>> error when accessing the internet:  “tsneterr: Not initialised” (misspelled, 
>> by the way).   It works fine for a while, then it just fails.  And, once it 
>> fails you have to completely restart.  Sometimes LC even crashes!
>> 
>> It seems to be happening when one network connection isn’t finished and it 
>> tries to start another one.   I did not have this problem in LC 7 using 
>> libURL.  So, I’m pretty confident it’s something with tsNet.
>> 
>> If it’s because tsNet calls are crashing into each other, and If all calls 
>> [by default] are blocking, how could one connection be started before the 
>> previous one is completed?
>> 
>> I had this problem with previous versions of 8.1, but I was hoping it would 
>> be fixed in 8.1.5.
>> 
>> Anyone have any insight?   I would very much like to move forward with 
>> tsNet, but if this isn’t resolved, I can’t.  Is it possible to continue with 
>> 8.1.5, and still use the old libURL?
>> 
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode]

Thanks Panos.

But what happens when switching back to an older LC which references an older 
Xcode - do I have to redo the incantation below each time? Or should it always 
be set to the latest Xcode, regardless of which one LC is using to build with?


Many thanks,

Ben

On 11/07/2017 18:00, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Ben,

Yes, this error means that still the old_path_to_xcode_command_line_tools
is used (i.e. the /Applications/Xcode.app one). You can change it in two
ways:

1) Open a terminal and type:

sudo xcode-select -s path/to/new/xcode.app

e.g. for me this is:

sudo xcode-select -s /Users/panos/Builds/Platforms/Xcode_8_3_3/Xcode.app


OR


2) Open the new Xcode and go to menubar Xcode -> Preferences -> Locations
and choose the path_to_the_new_Xcode in "Command Line Tools:"


What those options do is set the path to the command line tools that will
used when commands such as "xcrun" are called from within LiveCode. Those
commands are called when building iOS standalones from the Standalone
Builder.


Hope this helps,

Panos

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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Panos,

On 10/07/2017 18:20, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:


@MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app? BTW I
would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode version. I
have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc,
and
each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.



When I've tried something along these lines, I get an error when building
standalones that specifically refers to the path /Applications/Xcode.app,
as if somewhere in the process it has been hardwired. The error is:

 linking for arm failed with xcrun: error: active
 developer path
 ("/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer")
 does not exist, use ‘xcode-select --switch
 path/to/Xcode.app‘ to specify the Xcode that
 you wish to use for command line developer
 tools (or see ‘man xcode-select‘)

I've had to settle for moving the various versions of Xcode in and out of
sub-folders, and resetting preferences, each time I switch between LC
versions.

Evidently you've found a way of making this work - do you know what the
magic might be?

TIA,

Ben


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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Dan,

before creating the standalone you can disable the tsNet external
To unload:

  dispatch "revUnloadLibrary" to stack "tsNetLibUrl"

To load again:
  dispatch "revLoadLibrary" to stack “tsNetLibUrl"

Regards,
Matthias

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> Am 11.07.2017 um 19:33 schrieb Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> I am porting a large project from LC 7 to 8.1.5.  Occasionally, I get this 
> error when accessing the internet:  “tsneterr: Not initialised” (misspelled, 
> by the way).   It works fine for a while, then it just fails.  And, once it 
> fails you have to completely restart.  Sometimes LC even crashes!
> 
> It seems to be happening when one network connection isn’t finished and it 
> tries to start another one.   I did not have this problem in LC 7 using 
> libURL.  So, I’m pretty confident it’s something with tsNet.
> 
> If it’s because tsNet calls are crashing into each other, and If all calls 
> [by default] are blocking, how could one connection be started before the 
> previous one is completed?
> 
> I had this problem with previous versions of 8.1, but I was hoping it would 
> be fixed in 8.1.5.
> 
> Anyone have any insight?   I would very much like to move forward with tsNet, 
> but if this isn’t resolved, I can’t.  Is it possible to continue with 8.1.5, 
> and still use the old libURL?
> 
> 
> -Dan
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 -- tsneterr

[Dan Friedman via use-livecode]

I am porting a large project from LC 7 to 8.1.5.  Occasionally, I get this 
error when accessing the internet:  “tsneterr: Not initialised” (misspelled, by 
the way).   It works fine for a while, then it just fails.  And, once it fails 
you have to completely restart.  Sometimes LC even crashes!

It seems to be happening when one network connection isn’t finished and it 
tries to start another one.   I did not have this problem in LC 7 using libURL. 
 So, I’m pretty confident it’s something with tsNet.

If it’s because tsNet calls are crashing into each other, and If all calls [by 
default] are blocking, how could one connection be started before the previous 
one is completed?

I had this problem with previous versions of 8.1, but I was hoping it would be 
fixed in 8.1.5.

Anyone have any insight?   I would very much like to move forward with tsNet, 
but if this isn’t resolved, I can’t.  Is it possible to continue with 8.1.5, 
and still use the old libURL?


-Dan

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Ben,

Yes, this error means that still the old_path_to_xcode_command_line_tools
is used (i.e. the /Applications/Xcode.app one). You can change it in two
ways:

1) Open a terminal and type:

sudo xcode-select -s path/to/new/xcode.app

e.g. for me this is:

sudo xcode-select -s /Users/panos/Builds/Platforms/Xcode_8_3_3/Xcode.app


OR


2) Open the new Xcode and go to menubar Xcode -> Preferences -> Locations
and choose the path_to_the_new_Xcode in "Command Line Tools:"


What those options do is set the path to the command line tools that will
used when commands such as "xcrun" are called from within LiveCode. Those
commands are called when building iOS standalones from the Standalone
Builder.


Hope this helps,

Panos

--



On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Panos,
>
> On 10/07/2017 18:20, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> @MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app? BTW I
>> would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
>> problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
>> in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode version. I
>> have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc,
>> and
>> each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.
>>
>
> When I've tried something along these lines, I get an error when building
> standalones that specifically refers to the path /Applications/Xcode.app,
> as if somewhere in the process it has been hardwired. The error is:
>
> linking for arm failed with xcrun: error: active
> developer path
> ("/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer")
> does not exist, use ‘xcode-select --switch
> path/to/Xcode.app‘ to specify the Xcode that
> you wish to use for command line developer
> tools (or see ‘man xcode-select‘)
>
> I've had to settle for moving the various versions of Xcode in and out of
> sub-folders, and resetting preferences, each time I switch between LC
> versions.
>
> Evidently you've found a way of making this work - do you know what the
> magic might be?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ben
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode]

Hi Panos,

On 10/07/2017 18:20, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

@MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app? BTW I
would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode version. I
have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc, and
each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.


When I've tried something along these lines, I get an error when building 
standalones that specifically refers to the path /Applications/Xcode.app, as 
if somewhere in the process it has been hardwired. The error is:


linking for arm failed with xcrun: error: active
developer path
("/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer")
does not exist, use ‘xcode-select --switch
path/to/Xcode.app‘ to specify the Xcode that
you wish to use for command line developer
tools (or see ‘man xcode-select‘)

I've had to settle for moving the various versions of Xcode in and out of 
sub-folders, and resetting preferences, each time I switch between LC versions.


Evidently you've found a way of making this work - do you know what the magic 
might be?


TIA,

Ben

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I'm getting the same error with XC 8.3.
Interesting, though, I think I may have stumbled on the problem.
Every time I launch XC and go into my account and the certs/profiles list,
XC creates a new cert for development and a new one for distribution.  I
just went into my keychain, removed all of the certs, re-downloaded them
from the website, instead of from xcode, and reinstalled them.  Build
worked for both apps I tried.
As for the linking issue, the thing that seems to fix it is switching the
minimum version to 10.3 (i.e. the last one in the list), building, then
switching to the minimum I want and building again.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:46 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @Paul
> Thanks for the feedback
>
> @Mike
> After the LiveCode Global on Thursday, I'll update my Mac to Sierra
> 10.12.5, to see if this is related.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I just saw the Link Arm error, but the dialogue also suggested updating
> > the path to the Xcode tools, I did this with [ sudo xcode-select -r ] in
> > terminal and all works correctly now. This is with Xcode 8.3 installed in
> > the default Applications folder. I haven’t tried updating Xcode to 8.3.3
> > just yet though!
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I did clear the PP's.  I'll try downloading an older xcode to see if
> that
> > > helps, since right now I'm stopped.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:20 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> @MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app?
> > BTW I
> > >> would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to
> avoid
> > >> problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
> > >> in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode
> > version. I
> > >> have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3"
> etc,
> > and
> > >> each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.
> > >>
> > >> Regarding the other issue you mentioned, I have not seen it, but I
> would
> > >> recommend clearing any old provisioning profiles so as the dropdown
> does
> > >> not get too large. The provisioning profiles live in
> > >> /Users//Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/
> > >> You could clear the contents of this folder, and then download only
> the
> > >> valid provisioning profiles directly from the Apple Dev Centre (and
> not
> > >> from Xcode preferences). Then double click on the profile you
> > downloaded,
> > >> and Xcode will place it in /Users//Library/
> > >> MobileDevice/Provisioning
> > >> Profiles/
> > >>
> > >> Now, about the codesign issue itself, I will have a look at the bug
> > report
> > >> later this week.
> > >>
> > >> @Richmond
> > >> Why moderately exciting, and not super exciting? :)
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Panos
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> 10.12.5
> > >>> 8.3.3
> > >>> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
> > >>>
> > >>> I've also run into another weird thing with this version of xcode.
> > >>> Thinking that I had a cert or provisioning profile problem, I went in
> > to
> > >>> prefs and pulled up the certs.  Every time I do that, xcode creates a
> > new
> > >>> one - both developer and distribution.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:02 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> <
> > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  hmm, I have not seen that before. Which Sierra version are you
> using?
> > I
> > >>> am
> >  on Sierra 10.12.4.
> > 
> >  Are you using Xcode 8.3.3?
> > 
> >  What is the terminal output if you type "xcode-select -p"?
> > 
> >  On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios
> > >> version
> >  to
> > > the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
> > > segmentation fault 11 error.  Bug 20030.
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Thanks David, good to know. So Sierra 10.12.5 does not seem to be the
culprit.

Best,
Panos
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @Panos
>
> LC 8.1.5 builds OK for iOS here:
> OS X: 10.12.5
> Xcode: 8.3.3
>
> Dave
>
>
> > @Paul
> > Thanks for the feedback
> >
> > @Mike
> > After the LiveCode Global on Thursday, I'll update my Mac to Sierra
> > 10.12.5, to see if this is related.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <
> > [hidden email]  SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4716845&i=0>> wrote:
> >
> > > I just saw the Link Arm error, but the dialogue also suggested updating
> > > the path to the Xcode tools, I did this with [ sudo xcode-select -r ]
> in
> > > terminal and all works correctly now. This is with Xcode 8.3 installed
> in
> > > the default Applications folder. I haven’t tried updating Xcode to
> 8.3.3
> > > just yet though!
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

@Panos

LC 8.1.5 builds OK for iOS here:
OS X: 10.12.5
Xcode: 8.3.3

Dave


> @Paul 
> Thanks for the feedback 
> 
> @Mike 
> After the LiveCode Global on Thursday, I'll update my Mac to Sierra 
> 10.12.5, to see if this is related. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode < 
> [hidden email] 
> >
>  wrote: 
> 
> > I just saw the Link Arm error, but the dialogue also suggested updating 
> > the path to the Xcode tools, I did this with [ sudo xcode-select -r ] in 
> > terminal and all works correctly now. This is with Xcode 8.3 installed in 
> > the default Applications folder. I haven’t tried updating Xcode to 8.3.3 
> > just yet though! 
> > 
> > Paul 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Paul
Thanks for the feedback

@Mike
After the LiveCode Global on Thursday, I'll update my Mac to Sierra
10.12.5, to see if this is related.



On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I just saw the Link Arm error, but the dialogue also suggested updating
> the path to the Xcode tools, I did this with [ sudo xcode-select -r ] in
> terminal and all works correctly now. This is with Xcode 8.3 installed in
> the default Applications folder. I haven’t tried updating Xcode to 8.3.3
> just yet though!
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I did clear the PP's.  I'll try downloading an older xcode to see if that
> > helps, since right now I'm stopped.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:20 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> @MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app?
> BTW I
> >> would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
> >> problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
> >> in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode
> version. I
> >> have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc,
> and
> >> each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.
> >>
> >> Regarding the other issue you mentioned, I have not seen it, but I would
> >> recommend clearing any old provisioning profiles so as the dropdown does
> >> not get too large. The provisioning profiles live in
> >> /Users//Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/
> >> You could clear the contents of this folder, and then download only the
> >> valid provisioning profiles directly from the Apple Dev Centre (and not
> >> from Xcode preferences). Then double click on the profile you
> downloaded,
> >> and Xcode will place it in /Users//Library/
> >> MobileDevice/Provisioning
> >> Profiles/
> >>
> >> Now, about the codesign issue itself, I will have a look at the bug
> report
> >> later this week.
> >>
> >> @Richmond
> >> Why moderately exciting, and not super exciting? :)
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Panos
> >> --
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 10.12.5
> >>> 8.3.3
> >>> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
> >>>
> >>> I've also run into another weird thing with this version of xcode.
> >>> Thinking that I had a cert or provisioning profile problem, I went in
> to
> >>> prefs and pulled up the certs.  Every time I do that, xcode creates a
> new
> >>> one - both developer and distribution.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:02 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  hmm, I have not seen that before. Which Sierra version are you using?
> I
> >>> am
>  on Sierra 10.12.4.
> 
>  Are you using Xcode 8.3.3?
> 
>  What is the terminal output if you type "xcode-select -p"?
> 
>  On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios
> >> version
>  to
> > the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
> > segmentation fault 11 error.  Bug 20030.
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> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Paul Hibbert via use-livecode]

I just saw the Link Arm error, but the dialogue also suggested updating the 
path to the Xcode tools, I did this with [ sudo xcode-select -r ] in terminal 
and all works correctly now. This is with Xcode 8.3 installed in the default 
Applications folder. I haven’t tried updating Xcode to 8.3.3 just yet though!

Paul




> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did clear the PP's.  I'll try downloading an older xcode to see if that
> helps, since right now I'm stopped.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:20 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> @MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app? BTW I
>> would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
>> problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
>> in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode version. I
>> have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc, and
>> each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.
>> 
>> Regarding the other issue you mentioned, I have not seen it, but I would
>> recommend clearing any old provisioning profiles so as the dropdown does
>> not get too large. The provisioning profiles live in
>> /Users//Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/
>> You could clear the contents of this folder, and then download only the
>> valid provisioning profiles directly from the Apple Dev Centre (and not
>> from Xcode preferences). Then double click on the profile you downloaded,
>> and Xcode will place it in /Users//Library/
>> MobileDevice/Provisioning
>> Profiles/
>> 
>> Now, about the codesign issue itself, I will have a look at the bug report
>> later this week.
>> 
>> @Richmond
>> Why moderately exciting, and not super exciting? :)
>> 
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 10.12.5
>>> 8.3.3
>>> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
>>> 
>>> I've also run into another weird thing with this version of xcode.
>>> Thinking that I had a cert or provisioning profile problem, I went in to
>>> prefs and pulled up the certs.  Every time I do that, xcode creates a new
>>> one - both developer and distribution.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:02 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 hmm, I have not seen that before. Which Sierra version are you using? I
>>> am
 on Sierra 10.12.4.
 
 Are you using Xcode 8.3.3?
 
 What is the terminal output if you type "xcode-select -p"?
 
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 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
> I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios
>> version
 to
> the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
> segmentation fault 11 error.  Bug 20030.
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>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>   and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

I do not expect an older Xcode version to make the difference, but anyway.
Just a clarification, can you build your app using the same setup in 8.1.5
rc3?

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I did clear the PP's.  I'll try downloading an older xcode to see if that
> helps, since right now I'm stopped.
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:20 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > @MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app? BTW
> I
> > would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
> > problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
> > in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode version.
> I
> > have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc,
> and
> > each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.
> >
> > Regarding the other issue you mentioned, I have not seen it, but I would
> > recommend clearing any old provisioning profiles so as the dropdown does
> > not get too large. The provisioning profiles live in
> > /Users//Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/
> > You could clear the contents of this folder, and then download only the
> > valid provisioning profiles directly from the Apple Dev Centre (and not
> > from Xcode preferences). Then double click on the profile you downloaded,
> > and Xcode will place it in /Users//Library/
> > MobileDevice/Provisioning
> > Profiles/
> >
> > Now, about the codesign issue itself, I will have a look at the bug
> report
> > later this week.
> >
> > @Richmond
> > Why moderately exciting, and not super exciting? :)
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 10.12.5
> > > 8.3.3
> > > /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
> > >
> > > I've also run into another weird thing with this version of xcode.
> > > Thinking that I had a cert or provisioning profile problem, I went in
> to
> > > prefs and pulled up the certs.  Every time I do that, xcode creates a
> new
> > > one - both developer and distribution.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:02 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > hmm, I have not seen that before. Which Sierra version are you
> using? I
> > > am
> > > > on Sierra 10.12.4.
> > > >
> > > > Are you using Xcode 8.3.3?
> > > >
> > > > What is the terminal output if you type "xcode-select -p"?
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios
> > version
> > > > to
> > > > > the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I did clear the PP's.  I'll try downloading an older xcode to see if that
helps, since right now I'm stopped.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:20 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app? BTW I
> would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
> problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
> in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode version. I
> have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc, and
> each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.
>
> Regarding the other issue you mentioned, I have not seen it, but I would
> recommend clearing any old provisioning profiles so as the dropdown does
> not get too large. The provisioning profiles live in
> /Users//Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/
> You could clear the contents of this folder, and then download only the
> valid provisioning profiles directly from the Apple Dev Centre (and not
> from Xcode preferences). Then double click on the profile you downloaded,
> and Xcode will place it in /Users//Library/
> MobileDevice/Provisioning
> Profiles/
>
> Now, about the codesign issue itself, I will have a look at the bug report
> later this week.
>
> @Richmond
> Why moderately exciting, and not super exciting? :)
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > 10.12.5
> > 8.3.3
> > /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
> >
> > I've also run into another weird thing with this version of xcode.
> > Thinking that I had a cert or provisioning profile problem, I went in to
> > prefs and pulled up the certs.  Every time I do that, xcode creates a new
> > one - both developer and distribution.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:02 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > hmm, I have not seen that before. Which Sierra version are you using? I
> > am
> > > on Sierra 10.12.4.
> > >
> > > Are you using Xcode 8.3.3?
> > >
> > > What is the terminal output if you type "xcode-select -p"?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios
> version
> > > to
> > > > the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
> > > > segmentation fault 11 error.  Bug 20030.
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@MIke I guess that Xcode8.3.3 is the one in /Applications/Xcode.app? BTW I
would suggest to have separate folders for each Xcode version, to avoid
problems where the Xcode version is updated automatically (the one
in /Applications/Xcode.app), but LC not yet supports this Xcode version. I
have a folder "Xcode" with subfolders "Xcode_8_2_1", "Xcode_8_3_3" etc, and
each one of the has the respective "Xcode.app" binary.

Regarding the other issue you mentioned, I have not seen it, but I would
recommend clearing any old provisioning profiles so as the dropdown does
not get too large. The provisioning profiles live in
/Users//Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/
You could clear the contents of this folder, and then download only the
valid provisioning profiles directly from the Apple Dev Centre (and not
from Xcode preferences). Then double click on the profile you downloaded,
and Xcode will place it in /Users//Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning
Profiles/

Now, about the codesign issue itself, I will have a look at the bug report
later this week.

@Richmond
Why moderately exciting, and not super exciting? :)

Best,
Panos
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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> 10.12.5
> 8.3.3
> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer
>
> I've also run into another weird thing with this version of xcode.
> Thinking that I had a cert or provisioning profile problem, I went in to
> prefs and pulled up the certs.  Every time I do that, xcode creates a new
> one - both developer and distribution.
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:02 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > hmm, I have not seen that before. Which Sierra version are you using? I
> am
> > on Sierra 10.12.4.
> >
> > Are you using Xcode 8.3.3?
> >
> > What is the terminal output if you type "xcode-select -p"?
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios version
> > to
> > > the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
> > > segmentation fault 11 error.  Bug 20030.
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

10.12.5
8.3.3
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer

I've also run into another weird thing with this version of xcode.
Thinking that I had a cert or provisioning profile problem, I went in to
prefs and pulled up the certs.  Every time I do that, xcode creates a new
one - both developer and distribution.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:02 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> hmm, I have not seen that before. Which Sierra version are you using? I am
> on Sierra 10.12.4.
>
> Are you using Xcode 8.3.3?
>
> What is the terminal output if you type "xcode-select -p"?
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios version
> to
> > the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
> > segmentation fault 11 error.  Bug 20030.
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

That's moderately exciting.

Richmond.

On 7/10/17 4:23 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear List Members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 Stable. By
"Stable", we mean that no reported regressions have been introduced in
8.1.5, compared to the previous Stable release.

LiveCode 8.1.5 contains 81 extra bug fixes and new features, compared to
LiveCode 8.1.4.

Several regression bugs that were introduced in previous releases of
LiveCode 8.x have now been fixed, so that makes LiveCode 8.1.5 very stable.

Moreover, LiveCode 8.1.5 contains a new build of tsNet external (v1.2.10),
which fixes various network-related bugs.

Last but not least, LiveCode 8.1.5 includes support for building iOS apps
using the latest iOS SDKs, included in Xcode 8.3.3.

You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

hmm, I have not seen that before. Which Sierra version are you using? I am
on Sierra 10.12.4.

Are you using Xcode 8.3.3?

What is the terminal output if you type "xcode-select -p"?

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios version to
> the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
> segmentation fault 11 error.  Bug 20030.
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I was able to get the build to get further by switching the ios version to
the latest one (10.3), but now I'm getting a codesigning failed,
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

nope, that doesn't fix it every time, either, so ignore that suggestion.
I'm on attempt 6 for this app...

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> I've been fighting with it all morning.  The only thing that MIGHT be
> fixing it is if I switch the build-for devices to something else and then
> back, and then if I switch the min ios version to 10.3 and then back.  I
> say Might, because I've tried many times, today, across several apps, and
> finally got something to work for one of them.
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:25 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I get that occasionally, not sure why and I cannot pin down a reliable
>> recipe. The error goes away if I retry to build.
>>
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19080
>>
>> Best
>> Panos
>> --
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone else getting a persistent "linking for arm" error when trying to
>> > build with 8.1.5?
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:23 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear List Members,
>> > >
>> > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 Stable. By
>> > > "Stable", we mean that no reported regressions have been introduced in
>> > > 8.1.5, compared to the previous Stable release.
>> > >
>> > > LiveCode 8.1.5 contains 81 extra bug fixes and new features, compared
>> to
>> > > LiveCode 8.1.4.
>> > >
>> > > Several regression bugs that were introduced in previous releases of
>> > > LiveCode 8.x have now been fixed, so that makes LiveCode 8.1.5 very
>> > stable.
>> > >
>> > > Moreover, LiveCode 8.1.5 contains a new build of tsNet external
>> > (v1.2.10),
>> > > which fixes various network-related bugs.
>> > >
>> > > Last but not least, LiveCode 8.1.5 includes support for building iOS
>> apps
>> > > using the latest iOS SDKs, included in Xcode 8.3.3.
>> > >
>> > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>> or
>> > via
>> > > the automatic updater.
>> > >
>> > > Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
>> > > http://quality.livecode.com/
>> > >
>> > > Warmest regards,
>> > > The LiveCode Team
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I've been fighting with it all morning.  The only thing that MIGHT be
fixing it is if I switch the build-for devices to something else and then
back, and then if I switch the min ios version to 10.3 and then back.  I
say Might, because I've tried many times, today, across several apps, and
finally got something to work for one of them.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:25 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I get that occasionally, not sure why and I cannot pin down a reliable
> recipe. The error goes away if I retry to build.
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19080
>
> Best
> Panos
> --
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else getting a persistent "linking for arm" error when trying to
> > build with 8.1.5?
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:23 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List Members,
> > >
> > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 Stable. By
> > > "Stable", we mean that no reported regressions have been introduced in
> > > 8.1.5, compared to the previous Stable release.
> > >
> > > LiveCode 8.1.5 contains 81 extra bug fixes and new features, compared
> to
> > > LiveCode 8.1.4.
> > >
> > > Several regression bugs that were introduced in previous releases of
> > > LiveCode 8.x have now been fixed, so that makes LiveCode 8.1.5 very
> > stable.
> > >
> > > Moreover, LiveCode 8.1.5 contains a new build of tsNet external
> > (v1.2.10),
> > > which fixes various network-related bugs.
> > >
> > > Last but not least, LiveCode 8.1.5 includes support for building iOS
> apps
> > > using the latest iOS SDKs, included in Xcode 8.3.3.
> > >
> > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> > via
> > > the automatic updater.
> > >
> > > Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> > > http://quality.livecode.com/
> > >
> > > Warmest regards,
> > > The LiveCode Team
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Mike,

I get that occasionally, not sure why and I cannot pin down a reliable
recipe. The error goes away if I retry to build.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19080

Best
Panos
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Anyone else getting a persistent "linking for arm" error when trying to
> build with 8.1.5?
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:23 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List Members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 Stable. By
> > "Stable", we mean that no reported regressions have been introduced in
> > 8.1.5, compared to the previous Stable release.
> >
> > LiveCode 8.1.5 contains 81 extra bug fixes and new features, compared to
> > LiveCode 8.1.4.
> >
> > Several regression bugs that were introduced in previous releases of
> > LiveCode 8.x have now been fixed, so that makes LiveCode 8.1.5 very
> stable.
> >
> > Moreover, LiveCode 8.1.5 contains a new build of tsNet external
> (v1.2.10),
> > which fixes various network-related bugs.
> >
> > Last but not least, LiveCode 8.1.5 includes support for building iOS apps
> > using the latest iOS SDKs, included in Xcode 8.3.3.
> >
> > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via
> > the automatic updater.
> >
> > Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> > http://quality.livecode.com/
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> > The LiveCode Team
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Anyone else getting a persistent "linking for arm" error when trying to
build with 8.1.5?

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:23 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
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> Dear List Members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 Stable. By
> "Stable", we mean that no reported regressions have been introduced in
> 8.1.5, compared to the previous Stable release.
>
> LiveCode 8.1.5 contains 81 extra bug fixes and new features, compared to
> LiveCode 8.1.4.
>
> Several regression bugs that were introduced in previous releases of
> LiveCode 8.x have now been fixed, so that makes LiveCode 8.1.5 very stable.
>
> Moreover, LiveCode 8.1.5 contains a new build of tsNet external (v1.2.10),
> which fixes various network-related bugs.
>
> Last but not least, LiveCode 8.1.5 includes support for building iOS apps
> using the latest iOS SDKs, included in Xcode 8.3.3.
>
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.
>
> Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
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> Warmest regards,
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[ANN] Release 8.1.5

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear List Members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 Stable. By
"Stable", we mean that no reported regressions have been introduced in
8.1.5, compared to the previous Stable release.

LiveCode 8.1.5 contains 81 extra bug fixes and new features, compared to
LiveCode 8.1.4.

Several regression bugs that were introduced in previous releases of
LiveCode 8.x have now been fixed, so that makes LiveCode 8.1.5 very stable.

Moreover, LiveCode 8.1.5 contains a new build of tsNet external (v1.2.10),
which fixes various network-related bugs.

Last but not least, LiveCode 8.1.5 includes support for building iOS apps
using the latest iOS SDKs, included in Xcode 8.3.3.

You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
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Warmest regards,
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[ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-3

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-3.

Getting the Release
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You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
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Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-3 contains 4 bug fixes and stability improvements:

- Fixed: LCB sector path radius changed to diameter
- New version of tsNet (1.2.10) that addresses various network-related bugs
is included.
- A couple of IDE-related regressions have been fixed.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_5/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_5_rc_3.pdf


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[ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-2

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-2.

Getting the Release
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You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
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Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-2 contains 5 bugfixes and stability improvements. Since
the last stable version (8.1.4), more than 75 bugs have been fixed.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_5/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_5_rc_2.pdf


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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

On 6/15/17 2:06 am, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


Richmond:

> The whole discussion is becoming a "pane" and I for one am "board".
> "a real Windows machine" is almost as meaningful as phrases such as
> "real men stand up to pee".

It was clear; you confirmed your own understanding in that very first 
post, so I saw the objection as more of an attempt to signal virtue. 
If that helps anyone feel some self esteem, I'm glad. This machine was 
designed specifically for Windows, so the description is appropriate.


And maybe more relevant to testing LiveCode 815 than standing to pee.

But on that subject, which I never imagined seeing here, I would 
advise males to pee in the most manly way possible during coding 
breaks. Stand proudly, preferably sporting a Molon Labe T-shirt and 
oversized belt buckle with a rebel design. Extra points for carrying 
around a bowie knife or a LiveCode powered mobile web server. Use this 
moment to celebrate the masculine heritage that only real men can 
fully experience and embody as they pee. Then go back and dominate 
that code like a true alpha!


Does that seem like we're getting off track a little? 


Just a spot . . .

However, just at the moment I am gearing up to use 8.1.4 with the kids 
on my summer courses (so not much time to test
8.1.5) and excited about that: mainly because each year I have kids 
working with LiveCode they discover/uncover ways

of doing things I never dreamt of . . .

. . . another thing that makes LiveCode so fantastic!

Oh yes, I was saying that this LC version is working much better on my 
machine than the previous two. It makes an efficient 8 workflow 
possible, and that is much appreciated. Thought the feedback might be 
useful. I usually don't install the RCs, but I'm glad I tried this 
one, so don't hesitate - it truly makes life easier, at least on - 
ahem - Windows.


That reminds me: I have to dig out the machine running ReactOS from 
under the bed (so called because most people's reaction
on seeing it is . . . ) and try to run the latest Windows version there, 
and on WINE on Linux.


While standing to pee maybe . . . running the Windows version of LC on 
ReactOS is . . . . probably plain daft!


Richmond.


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
Real Windows machine

Custom Software Development
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Re: OT: Spelling "windows" with a P (Was: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1)

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

TIL...

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OT: Spelling "windows" with a P (Was: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1)

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 6/14/17 6:24 PM, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:

On 6/14/17 4:06 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
But on that subject, which I never imagined seeing here, I would 
advise males to pee in the most manly way possible


TMI... for me it's triggering that scene in "About Schmidt".

Moving on now.


In a moment. I would just like to point out that women too can pee 
cleanly standing up, and back when most women still wore skirts there 
were public toilets shaped to allow it.


In case that info distresses the he-men out there, take solace in the 
fact that we can't write our names.


NOW moving on...

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Phil Davis via use-livecode]

On 6/14/17 4:06 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
But on that subject, which I never imagined seeing here, I would 
advise males to pee in the most manly way possible


TMI... for me it's triggering that scene in "About Schmidt".

Moving on now.

Phil

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Richmond:

> The whole discussion is becoming a "pane" and I for one am "board".
> "a real Windows machine" is almost as meaningful as phrases such as
> "real men stand up to pee".

It was clear; you confirmed your own understanding in that very first 
post, so I saw the objection as more of an attempt to signal virtue. If 
that helps anyone feel some self esteem, I'm glad. This machine was 
designed specifically for Windows, so the description is appropriate.


And maybe more relevant to testing LiveCode 815 than standing to pee.

But on that subject, which I never imagined seeing here, I would advise 
males to pee in the most manly way possible during coding breaks. Stand 
proudly, preferably sporting a Molon Labe T-shirt and oversized belt 
buckle with a rebel design. Extra points for carrying around a bowie 
knife or a LiveCode powered mobile web server. Use this moment to 
celebrate the masculine heritage that only real men can fully experience 
and embody as they pee. Then go back and dominate that code like a true 
alpha!


Does that seem like we're getting off track a little? Oh yes, I was 
saying that this LC version is working much better on my machine than 
the previous two. It makes an efficient 8 workflow possible, and that is 
much appreciated. Thought the feedback might be useful. I usually don't 
install the RCs, but I'm glad I tried this one, so don't hesitate - it 
truly makes life easier, at least on - ahem - Windows.


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
Real Windows machine

Custom Software Development
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

The whole discussion is becoming a "pane" and I for one am "board".

"a real Windows machine" is almost as meaningful as phrases such as 
"real men stand up to pee".


Richmond.

On 6/14/17 7:33 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/14/2017 08:38 AM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


What does "a real Windows machine" mean?



I'm not sure whether that would be using X, or POKEing addresses 32 
to 35

on and Apple ][ to define the scrolling window . . .




Possibly double-paned instead of boarded-up.



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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 06/14/2017 08:38 AM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


What does "a real Windows machine" mean?



I'm not sure whether that would be using X, or POKEing addresses 32 to 35
on and Apple ][ to define the scrolling window . . .




Possibly double-paned instead of boarded-up.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> What does "a real Windows machine" mean?
>

I'm not sure whether that would be using X, or POKEing addresses 32 to 35
on and Apple ][ to define the scrolling window . . .


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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

I thought with “real windows machine” Curry wanted to express that he is not 
running Windows in a virtual machine.

Regards,
Matthias




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> Am 13.06.2017 um 19:31 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> 
> > What does "a real Windows machine" mean?
> 
> A machine running Windows.
> 
> Much like a "Linux machine" is a machine running Linux.
> 
> It's not that deep.
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I wasn't trying to be "deep", it was the word "real" that threw me off 
balance.


Richmond.

On 6/13/17 8:31 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> What does "a real Windows machine" mean?

A machine running Windows.

Much like a "Linux machine" is a machine running Linux.

It's not that deep.



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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> What does "a real Windows machine" mean?

A machine running Windows.

Much like a "Linux machine" is a machine running Linux.

It's not that deep.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

What does "a real Windows machine" mean?

I've never heard of Windows machines.

I've heard of Macintosh machines, that run Mac OS (and other operating 
systems).


I've heard of IBM compatible machines that run Windows (and other 
operating systems).


I've heard of Archimedes machines that run RISCOS.

But I have never heard of a "Windows machine".

Why do I feel that what you ought to have said goes something like this:

"I am running Windows natively on a machine, unlike all sorts of other 
people

who seem to be running Windows in various virtual environments." ?

Richmond.

On 6/13/17 5:32 pm, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:


> LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-1 contains 72 bug fixes, new features, as well as
> security and stability improvements:
> - Several crashes have been fixed.

Thanks, I'm liking this version! The crashes, hangups, funky cursors, 
and other glitches in 813/814 had been a hindrance. I'm on a real 
Windows machine and this build seems to be on the right track.


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
LiveCode Training and Consulting
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

> LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-1 contains 72 bug fixes, new features, as well as
> security and stability improvements:
> - Several crashes have been fixed.

Thanks, I'm liking this version! The crashes, hangups, funky cursors, 
and other glitches in 813/814 had been a hindrance. I'm on a real 
Windows machine and this build seems to be on the right track.


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
LiveCode Training and Consulting
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

got it tks… I had forgotten the structure there… only stable versions at the 
top… yep… 8_1_5-rc-1 is there below.


 

On 6/12/17, 8:41 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

The offline activation file is available for 8.1.5 rc1, as usual (I just
checked). This is needed for *activating* a commercial license, not for
getting the 8.1.5 rc1 release.

Best,
Panos

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

The offline activation file is available for 8.1.5 rc1, as usual (I just
checked). This is needed for *activating* a commercial license, not for
getting the 8.1.5 rc1 release.

Best,
Panos
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use-livecode  wrote:

> No offline activation file available?
>
>
>
> On 6/12/17, 7:09 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-1.
>
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> or via
> the automatic updater.
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

No offline activation file available?

 

On 6/12/17, 7:09 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-1.

Getting the Release
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You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
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[ANN] Release 8.1.5 RC-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-1.

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents


LiveCode 8.1.5 RC-1 contains 72 bug fixes, new features, as well as
security and stability improvements:

- Several crashes have been fixed.
- New version of tsNet (1.2.9) that addresses various network-related bugs
is included.
- The "mirrored" property of the player object is now supported on Windows,
too.
- Support for the latest Xcode 8.3.3 (requires MacOS Sierra) is added.
- Two new interactive tutorials have been added.

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_5/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_5_rc_1.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team


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