Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

David,
please keep in mind that PayPal is just sending payment receipts to the 
customers, not invoices. So if your company resides in EU and you have to do a 
monthly/quaterly or whatever declaration of your payed and received VAT (sorry, 
don´t know how to express this correctly in English), then you have to take 
care that your buyers pay the VAT according to their company they live in. 
If your company does not need to do such declarations then all is okay using 
Paypal for payments.

That´s the reason why i decided to do it using a merchant site. They are the 
seller, so they send out the invoices on behalf of them.
Before that i had to do the complete invoicing myself.

Now to your question: If i am not totally wrong then you need also with PayPal 
an underlying web service on your side to which PayPal posts the successful 
order information.

Matthias 



> Am 16.11.2017 um 10:25 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Thanks to all on and off list responses to my questions.  I have looked at 
> all comments and suggestions, and have another question.
> 
> Instead of paying for a merchant site, wouldn’t it be possible to script a 
> desktop app to license itself via say, Paypal?  Effectively implementing  an 
> in-app purchase model on desktop?  I have seen references to Paypal being 
> used to buy digital products with embedded code, including “software”, but 
> can’t track down a clear explanation of what this involves.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> David Glasgow
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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

Seems like someone ?Scott Rossi worked this one out

http://www.discamus.com/nunc/how/ 

but it still involves a merchant site.  I don’t understand why that should be 
necessary.  

Best wishes,

David G


> On 16 Nov 2017, at 9:25 am, David V Glasgow  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all on and off list responses to my questions.  I have looked at 
> all comments and suggestions, and have another question.
> 
> Instead of paying for a merchant site, wouldn’t it be possible to script a 
> desktop app to license itself via say, Paypal?  Effectively implementing  an 
> in-app purchase model on desktop?  I have seen references to Paypal being 
> used to buy digital products with embedded code, including “software”, but 
> can’t track down a clear explanation of what this involves.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> David Glasgow

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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

Thanks to all on and off list responses to my questions.  I have looked at all 
comments and suggestions, and have another question.

Instead of paying for a merchant site, wouldn’t it be possible to script a 
desktop app to license itself via say, Paypal?  Effectively implementing  an 
in-app purchase model on desktop?  I have seen references to Paypal being used 
to buy digital products with embedded code, including “software”, but can’t 
track down a clear explanation of what this involves.

Best wishes

David Glasgow
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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Also, UAC has to be turned off. Otherwise I would probably need some kind of 
first run dialog asking for an administrator user and password, save it then 
pass it as an arguement to a command or powershell. 

Bob S


> On Nov 15, 2017, at 09:03 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK looks like the way to handle this is to set the compatibility mode to 
> Windows XP. Not sure how much longer that will be supported. It may not be in 
> Windows 10 anymore. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 08:51 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Jacque. I've attempted to set an app to run as administrator, but 
>> there is no place to enter credentials in the properties, so UAC will 
>> challenge the user if enabled, and if not it won't run. I have to make my 
>> techs local Admins in order to run my app. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 08:22 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Zygodact's Register stack is just a substack of the mainstack and will use 
>>> the same priveleges as the app it's attached to. Priveleges are set in the 
>>> Windows pane in standalone settings.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

OK looks like the way to handle this is to set the compatibility mode to 
Windows XP. Not sure how much longer that will be supported. It may not be in 
Windows 10 anymore. 

Bob S


> On Nov 15, 2017, at 08:51 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jacque. I've attempted to set an app to run as administrator, but 
> there is no place to enter credentials in the properties, so UAC will 
> challenge the user if enabled, and if not it won't run. I have to make my 
> techs local Admins in order to run my app. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 08:22 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Zygodact's Register stack is just a substack of the mainstack and will use 
>> the same priveleges as the app it's attached to. Priveleges are set in the 
>> Windows pane in standalone settings.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Thanks Jacque. I've attempted to set an app to run as administrator, but there 
is no place to enter credentials in the properties, so UAC will challenge the 
user if enabled, and if not it won't run. I have to make my techs local Admins 
in order to run my app. 

Bob S


> On Nov 15, 2017, at 08:22 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Zygodact's Register stack is just a substack of the mainstack and will use 
> the same priveleges as the app it's attached to. Priveleges are set in the 
> Windows pane in standalone settings.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Zygodact's Register stack is just a substack of the mainstack and will use 
the same priveleges as the app it's attached to. Priveleges are set in the 
Windows pane in standalone settings.


--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On November 15, 2017 9:47:06 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:


That reminds me there was some discussion on how to get a Windows 
Standalone to launch with elevated priveleges so that non-admin users can 
*actualy* use it. Does Zygodact handle that?


Bob S


On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:39 , JB via use-livecode 
 wrote:


The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from 
Jacqueline Landman-Gay.



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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Trevor,
i know. I watched your Levure presentation at LC Global, but had not enough 
time yet to dig deeper into it myself.
Your framework looks awesome and hopefully during the holidays next month i 
will be able to concentrate on it.

Matthias

> Am 15.11.2017 um 15:47 schrieb Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > wrote:
> 
>> Normally i do sign all of my apps (even custom and inhouse apps) for
>> Windows and Mac.
>> Makes life easier. But to be honest, sometimes i forgot to sign, if i am
>> in a hurry or i do not sign if i have not the time.
>> It´s not very time consuming, but sometimes even the time for signing is
>> not there.  But i am trying to sign them later then.
>> 
>> But as i wrote, normally i do code sign them.
>> 
>> For code signing Windows apps I´ve purchased a Comodo Code Signing
>> Certificate from K Software (https://ksoftware.net >> )
>> because it´s much cheaper then buying from Comodo itself.
>> Although KSoftware is the vendor, the needed verification process and the
>> delivery of the certificate is done by Commodo.
>> 
>> For code signing Mac apps i am using the app AppWrapper with my Apple
>> Developer certificate.
>> 
> 
> This thread would be a good place for me to point out that if you use the
> Levure framework code signing can be handled automatically whenever you
> package up an application for distribution.
> 
> When building on macOS your macOS version of the app will be signed
> automatically (assuming you have the proper signing certificate already).
> If you have the DropDMG helper installed then a DMG can be created
> automatically. If you are building for the Mac App Store then all files
> necessary to upload to Apple are created.
> 
> When building on Windows the InnoSetup helper can generate a file for
> InnoSetup and then automatically run it. All code signing happens during
> this process (there is a one-time InnoSetup configuration). If you are
> building on macOS then the InnoSetup file is created and you just have to
> open it in InnoSetup in Windows and then build the installer. You can run
> the installer under Wine but I haven’t figured out how to code sign with
> InnoSetup under Wine.
> 
> Introduction to building installers and links:
> 
> https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki/Building-Installers 
> 
> 
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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

That reminds me there was some discussion on how to get a Windows Standalone to 
launch with elevated priveleges so that non-admin users can *actualy* use it. 
Does Zygodact handle that?

Bob S


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:39 , JB via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
>> Landman-Gay. 


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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Normally i do sign all of my apps (even custom and inhouse apps) for
> Windows and Mac.
> Makes life easier. But to be honest, sometimes i forgot to sign, if i am
> in a hurry or i do not sign if i have not the time.
> It´s not very time consuming, but sometimes even the time for signing is
> not there.  But i am trying to sign them later then.
>
> But as i wrote, normally i do code sign them.
>
> For code signing Windows apps I´ve purchased a Comodo Code Signing
> Certificate from K Software (https://ksoftware.net  >)
> because it´s much cheaper then buying from Comodo itself.
> Although KSoftware is the vendor, the needed verification process and the
> delivery of the certificate is done by Commodo.
>
> For code signing Mac apps i am using the app AppWrapper with my Apple
> Developer certificate.
>

This thread would be a good place for me to point out that if you use the
Levure framework code signing can be handled automatically whenever you
package up an application for distribution.

When building on macOS your macOS version of the app will be signed
automatically (assuming you have the proper signing certificate already).
If you have the DropDMG helper installed then a DMG can be created
automatically. If you are building for the Mac App Store then all files
necessary to upload to Apple are created.

When building on Windows the InnoSetup helper can generate a file for
InnoSetup and then automatically run it. All code signing happens during
this process (there is a one-time InnoSetup configuration). If you are
building on macOS then the InnoSetup file is created and you just have to
open it in InnoSetup in Windows and then build the installer. You can run
the installer under Wine but I haven’t figured out how to code sign with
InnoSetup under Wine.

Introduction to building installers and links:

https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki/Building-Installers

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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Tiemo,

my lesson just describes how to integrate the Zygodact key generator stack into 
the Fastpring order process and nothing else. ;)

But it should be possible to use Zygodact and some additonal code to prevent 
that the software is used on more then one computer.

First of all, Zygodact registration system works like this:
Zygodact let you create a set of stacks (a registration stack, a key generator 
stack and a special key generator stack for cgi, which can also be used with 
livecode server. 
Theses stacks belong to each other. You cannot mix them between 2 sets.
The app contains the registration stack as a substack.
The key generation stack (in my case the cgi stack) is used for the Fastspring 
order process. 
After the customer unlocks/registers the app using the purchase license key and 
his email, the registration substack saves a regfile stack to the hard disk . 
(Every time the app starts, the app uses a Zygodact function which checks if 
the license data in the regfile stack belongs to the registration substack in 
the app.)

After a successful registration the Zygodact registration substack allows to 
run additional code.
So it would be very easy after successful registration to let the app post the 
unlock data and additional data like MAC address to a webserver which stores 
that data in a database.
If the software is registered the 1st time, the server responds with a 
“successful” message and the app could write the Mac address also to the 
regfile stack on the customers hard disk.
If the software is registered a 2nd time from an other MAC address, the server 
could respond with an error. In this case  the MAC address is not written to 
the regfile stack on customers hard disk and the app quits with an error 
message. You could even delete the regfile stack. 

To get this working the app needs to check at startup, if the regfile stack 
already exists. If not, then it opens the registration dialog.
If the regfile stack already exists, the app first checks, if the MAC address 
of the computer corresponds with the one  in the regfile stack. If so, the app 
uses a Zygodact function to check also if the registration data in the regfile 
stack belongs to the registration substack in the app. If not, the app could 
show an error message and quit. If registration data is okay, the app would 
start.

If the MAC address does not correspond with the one in the regfile stack or if 
the regfile does not contain a MAC address, the app could show an error message 
and quit.

So this would prevent that the software can be installed and used on more than 
one computer.
But this would also mean, that  one might have to do more support, if customers 
change the computer or change some hardware settings or if there are internet 
connection problems on the customers side.

Therefore i decided to not go this way. I trust my customers, although i know 
of several cases where the license data was passed to others or where a refund 
was requested and the software is still used.
At the moment i have very little support requests. That means i can concentrate 
on other tasks like waiting for the Fastpring payments. ;)


Regards,

Matthias



> Am 14.11.2017 um 17:59 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Matthias approach seems obviously a nice and trouble-free approach. It only 
> has the disadvantage, that the email + key can be passed on to other users.
> 
> In my business teachers are a relevant part of my customers. From my 
> experience over the last 20 years teachers are the most down-and-dirty 
> software pirates (sorry Richmond), so I couldn't go this approach. I 
> experienced it x-times, that after having sold one license to a teacher, I 
> never got a second order from the same school. So I (or better an external) 
> created an individual licensing system for my product, bound to the MAC 
> address of the machine and an online license-database. It indeed also has 
> some disadvantages, because of the hard bound to the MAC address, but all of 
> my support is worth the plus of sold licenses.
> 
> Tiemo

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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[JB via use-livecode]

Excellent information!

thanks,
JB


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Normally i do sign all of my apps (even custom and inhouse apps) for Windows 
> and Mac.  
> Makes life easier. But to be honest, sometimes i forgot to sign, if i am in a 
> hurry or i do not sign if i have not the time.
> It´s not very time consuming, but sometimes even the time for signing is not 
> there.  But i am trying to sign them later then.
> 
> But as i wrote, normally i do code sign them. 
> 
> For code signing Windows apps I´ve purchased a Comodo Code Signing 
> Certificate from K Software (https://ksoftware.net )
> because it´s much cheaper then buying from Comodo itself. 
> Although KSoftware is the vendor, the needed verification process and the 
> delivery of the certificate is done by Commodo.
> 
> For code signing Mac apps i am using the app AppWrapper with my Apple 
> Developer certificate.
> 
> Matthias
>> Am 14.11.2017 um 19:39 schrieb JB via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> If you are selling it yourself instead of the app
>> stores do you bother with code signing?
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 8:10 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
>>> finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate 
>>> my key generator stack into their order system. I did not had to run my own 
>>> webserver.
>>> 
>>> Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i 
>>> get my monthly payout. 
>>> My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 
>>> 
>>> Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
>>> livecode script. 
>>> The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends 
>>> the posted email adress to the key generator stack.
>>> The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key 
>>> and returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which 
>>> then returns both
>>> to the Fastpring post request. 
>>> 
>>> The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from 
>>> Jacqueline Landman-Gay. 
>>> https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
>>> >>  >
>>> It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
>>> stack in minutes. 
>>> 
>>> I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
>>> Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
>>> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 
>>>  
>>> >> >
>>> The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
>>> livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)
>>> 
>>> Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
>>> generator stack.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>> +49 5741 31
>>> ‌wirmachen.software >> >‌
>>> 
 Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
 >>:
 
 I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
 
 
 Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
 Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never 
 got around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or 
 point them to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate 
 a key and invoice via email
 
 I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
 and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
 could trust, understand and afford!
 
 Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
 window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
 else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing 
 web sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
 
 Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
 
 Best wishes,
 
 david Glasgow
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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Normally i do sign all of my apps (even custom and inhouse apps) for Windows 
and Mac.  
Makes life easier. But to be honest, sometimes i forgot to sign, if i am in a 
hurry or i do not sign if i have not the time.
It´s not very time consuming, but sometimes even the time for signing is not 
there.  But i am trying to sign them later then.

But as i wrote, normally i do code sign them. 

For code signing Windows apps I´ve purchased a Comodo Code Signing Certificate 
from K Software (https://ksoftware.net )
because it´s much cheaper then buying from Comodo itself. 
Although KSoftware is the vendor, the needed verification process and the 
delivery of the certificate is done by Commodo.

For code signing Mac apps i am using the app AppWrapper with my Apple Developer 
certificate.

Matthias
> Am 14.11.2017 um 19:39 schrieb JB via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> If you are selling it yourself instead of the app
> stores do you bother with code signing?
> 
> JB
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 8:10 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
>> finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate 
>> my key generator stack into their order system. I did not had to run my own 
>> webserver.
>> 
>> Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i 
>> get my monthly payout. 
>> My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 
>> 
>> Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
>> livecode script. 
>> The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends 
>> the posted email adress to the key generator stack.
>> The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key 
>> and returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which 
>> then returns both
>> to the Fastpring post request. 
>> 
>> The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
>> Landman-Gay. 
>> https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
>> >  >
>> It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
>> stack in minutes. 
>> 
>> I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
>> Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
>> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 
>>  
>> > >
>> The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
>> livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)
>> 
>> Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
>> generator stack.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> +49 5741 31
>> ‌wirmachen.software > >‌
>> 
>>> Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
>>> >> >> >>:
>>> 
>>> I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
>>> Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never 
>>> got around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or 
>>> point them to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate 
>>> a key and invoice via email
>>> 
>>> I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
>>> and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
>>> could trust, understand and afford!
>>> 
>>> Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
>>> window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
>>> else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing 
>>> web sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
>>> 
>>> Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, I for one, make a point of having a 30 minute walk every day, 
reading at least 50 pages, and doing about 50% of our cooking come what may.


Richmond.

On 14/11/17 8:12 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
The silence was deafening. I was forced to relax in my recliner and 
read a book, walk outside, and bake bread. It was torture. I'm so glad 
to be out of that hell..


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On November 14, 2017 11:42:54 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
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Unfortunately, or not; many, many things have cropped up re my work and
so forth,
so I am largely too preoccupied to have the time or the inclination to
ruffle the feathers of
other people on this Use-List, or, for that matter the Forums at the 
moment.


But, rest assured, like Arnie . . . .

Richmond.

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you all stopped talking at once...


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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[JB via use-livecode]

If you are selling it yourself instead of the app
stores do you bother with code signing?

JB


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 8:10 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
> finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate 
> my key generator stack into their order system. I did not had to run my own 
> webserver.
> 
> Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i 
> get my monthly payout. 
> My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 
> 
> Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
> livecode script. 
> The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends the 
> posted email adress to the key generator stack.
> The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key 
> and returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which 
> then returns both
> to the Fastpring post request. 
> 
> The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
> Landman-Gay. 
> https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
> 
> It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
> stack in minutes. 
> 
> I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
> Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 
> 
> The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
> livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)
> 
> Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
> generator stack.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
> ‌wirmachen.software ‌
> 
>> Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
>> 
>> 
>> Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
>> Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never got 
>> around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or point 
>> them to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate a key 
>> and invoice via email
>> 
>> I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
>> and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
>> could trust, understand and afford!
>> 
>> Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
>> window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
>> else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing 
>> web sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
>> 
>> Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

The silence was deafening. I was forced to relax in my recliner and read a 
book, walk outside, and bake bread. It was torture. I'm so glad to be out 
of that hell..


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On November 14, 2017 11:42:54 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
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Unfortunately, or not; many, many things have cropped up re my work and
so forth,
so I am largely too preoccupied to have the time or the inclination to
ruffle the feathers of
other people on this Use-List, or, for that matter the Forums at the moment.

But, rest assured, like Arnie . . . .

Richmond.

On 14/11/17 1:49 pm, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you 
all stopped talking at once...


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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Unfortunately, or not; many, many things have cropped up re my work and 
so forth,
so I am largely too preoccupied to have the time or the inclination to 
ruffle the feathers of

other people on this Use-List, or, for that matter the Forums at the moment.

But, rest assured, like Arnie . . . .

Richmond.

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Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
stopped talking at once...

If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

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AW: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Matthias approach seems obviously a nice and trouble-free approach. It only has 
the disadvantage, that the email + key can be passed on to other users.

In my business teachers are a relevant part of my customers. From my experience 
over the last 20 years teachers are the most down-and-dirty software pirates 
(sorry Richmond), so I couldn't go this approach. I experienced it x-times, 
that after having sold one license to a teacher, I never got a second order 
from the same school. So I (or better an external) created an individual 
licensing system for my product, bound to the MAC address of the machine and an 
online license-database. It indeed also has some disadvantages, because of the 
hard bound to the MAC address, but all of my support is worth the plus of sold 
licenses.

Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von 
Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. November 2017 17:11
An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Matthias Rebbe <matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de>
Betreff: Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around 
here )

David,

i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate my key generator stack into 
their order system. I did not had to run my own webserver.

Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i get 
my monthly payout. 
My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 

Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
livecode script. 
The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends the 
posted email adress to the key generator stack.
The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key and 
returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which then 
returns both to the Fastpring post request. 

The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
Landman-Gay. 
https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
<https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html>
It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
stack in minutes. 

I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 
<http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020>
The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)

Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
generator stack.

Regards,

Matthias


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> Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
> 
> 
> Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few 
> sales.  Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I 
> have never got around to  selling online.  I just send folks 
> evaluation copies or point them to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for 
> a full version, generate a key and invoice via email
> 
> I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
> and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
> could trust, understand and afford!
> 
> Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
> window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
> else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing web 
> sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
> 
> Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> david Glasgow
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Well, I just got my LiveCode Global-branded iPhone X, so I've been busy.
Thanks Kevin and Mark!  That was so much better than those T-shirts!

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> :-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2017, at 08:46 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I did become concerned when a new release was announced and no one
> complained. :)
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[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

:-)

Bob S


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 08:46 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> I did become concerned when a new release was announced and no one 
> complained. :)


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Re: Awful quiet around here

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I did become concerned when a new release was announced and no one 
complained. :)



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P.S. I think Richmond must be ill. Or his internet has expired. Mother hen 
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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

David,

i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate 
my key generator stack into their order system. I did not had to run my own 
webserver.

Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i get 
my monthly payout. 
My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 

Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
livecode script. 
The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends the 
posted email adress to the key generator stack.
The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key and 
returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which then 
returns both
to the Fastpring post request. 

The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
Landman-Gay. 
https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 

It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
stack in minutes. 

I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 

The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)

Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
generator stack.

Regards,

Matthias


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> Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
> 
> 
> Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
> Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never got 
> around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or point them 
> to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate a key and 
> invoice via email
> 
> I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
> and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
> could trust, understand and afford!
> 
> Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
> window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
> else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing web 
> sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
> 
> Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Reminds me of that quote from Pirates of the Caribbean, where Captain Barbossa 
tells Elizabeth, "...the code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual 
rules."

Bob S


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 06:11 , dunbarx via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The forum went quiet for a couple of days last week, but it seems that it
> just, er, went quiet.
> 
> The law of averages is a law in name only.
> 
> Craig Newman


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Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!


Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never got 
around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or point them 
to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate a key and 
invoice via email

I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, and 
at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I could 
trust, understand and afford!

Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone else 
do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing web sales, 
but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.

Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?

Best wishes,

david Glasgow
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[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

:)

P.S. I think Richmond must be ill. Or his internet has expired. Mother hen
makes anxious clucking noises.

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager and overprotective listmom LiveCode Ltd
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... or LiveCode has got an AI self solving issue plugin with the last silent
update.


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[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Tom - I'm sorry. You will hear from me today!

Best

Heather

P.S. I think Richmond must be ill. Or his internet has expired. Mother hen 
makes anxious clucking noises.

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LiveCode Ltd
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> On 14 Nov 2017, at 14:22, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Heather i thought the same thing.. just fyi...I haven't heard
> details back from you about the talk during the jam.  as far as I know my
> email problems are fixed, but let me know if they aren;t and I failed to
> respond to something.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 9:11 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> The forum went quiet for a couple of days last week, but it seems that it
>> just, er, went quiet.
>> 
>> The law of averages is a law in name only.
>> 
>> Craig Newman
>> 
>> 
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[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi Heather i thought the same thing.. just fyi...I haven't heard
details back from you about the talk during the jam.  as far as I know my
email problems are fixed, but let me know if they aren;t and I failed to
respond to something.


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> The forum went quiet for a couple of days last week, but it seems that it
> just, er, went quiet.
>
> The law of averages is a law in name only.
>
> Craig Newman
>
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The forum went quiet for a couple of days last week, but it seems that it
just, er, went quiet.

The law of averages is a law in name only.

Craig Newman



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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Phil Davis via use-livecode]

That's sort of like saying "Anyone who can't hear me raise your hand."
Oh well. All in a day's fun. Or work.

Phil


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stopped talking at once...

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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Note to self: must message more to let mother know we’re still alive and well. 
And, Never ignore her!

Sean Cole
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> On 14 Nov 2017, at 12:27, Marian Petrides, MD via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Got this message. Just lurking, hence no posts.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
>> stopped talking at once...
>> 
>> If you receive this message, ignore it.
>> 
>> Otherwise, do let me know :)
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Marian Petrides, MD via use-livecode]

Got this message. Just lurking, hence no posts.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
> stopped talking at once...
> 
> If you receive this message, ignore it.
> 
> Otherwise, do let me know :)
> 
> Best
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I will certainly let you know if I ** DID NOT ** receive your message.
Ignoring...  :)

~Roger


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you
> all stopped talking at once...
>
> If you receive this message, ignore it.
>
> Otherwise, do let me know :)
>
> Best
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
>
>
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AW: Awful quiet around here

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

ignore

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Heather Laine via use-livecode
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. November 2017 12:49
An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Heather Laine <heat...@livecode.com>
Betreff: Awful quiet around here

Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all
stopped talking at once...

If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

Best

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




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Awful quiet around here

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
stopped talking at once...

If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

Best

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com




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