Re: Back to the Garden of Eden

2016-08-24 Thread Richmond 



On 24.08.2016 14:06, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Richmond  wrote:

Quite a few of the chapters in the book now seem fairly redundant:

Home Stack Author Utilities

Introduction to External Resources


Well that first one would be replaced with a chapter on how the LC IDE
is written in LC so how you can go about customising it to your own
needs. The 2nd one would be an introduction to LCB and Widgets. The
glossy bits between pages 152 and 153 also needs a major expansion.
Add to that a chapter each on Browser, Database and XML and I can't
see how you could end up with less pages than Danny's 1144.

You've got your work cut out for you. ;-)


Not really because I have no ambitions to write "The Complete Livecode 
Handbook".


What I do have ambitions to write are:

1. A guide for teachers on how to use Livecode as a tool to author (RAD) 
delivery tools

for content delivery and reinforcement.

2. A book to help teacher teach an entry-level programming course to 
Primary-level children.


Neither of which will extend to LCB or widgets.

If you are looking for a new Danny Goodman look elsewhere.

Richmond.


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Re: Back to the Garden of Eden

2016-08-24 Thread Kay C Lan 
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> Quite a few of the chapters in the book now seem fairly redundant:
>
> Home Stack Author Utilities
>
> Introduction to External Resources
>
Well that first one would be replaced with a chapter on how the LC IDE
is written in LC so how you can go about customising it to your own
needs. The 2nd one would be an introduction to LCB and Widgets. The
glossy bits between pages 152 and 153 also needs a major expansion.
Add to that a chapter each on Browser, Database and XML and I can't
see how you could end up with less pages than Danny's 1144.

You've got your work cut out for you. ;-)

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Re: Back to the Garden of Eden

2016-08-23 Thread Earthednet-wp 
Richmond,
Very true. It's hard for those experienced enough to write a book, to know 
which details might confuse a newbie. The ones I like use a bunch of sort, real 
world, simple examples, to demonstrate how to create the code. Now is a great 
time to write a new one, now that v8 is nearing completion. Your background in 
teaching livecode to kids most likely makes you an ideal person to write such a 
book. I'll buy it. 
Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Aug 23, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The problem, and it is a very real problem, is how to escape the trap
> 
> that very many authors of programming manuals fall into: forgetting that their
> 
> target audience probably does not know a lot of what they know, but, at the 
> same
> 
> time not trotting out a lot of stuff that sounds condescending to the reader.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> 
> On 23.08.2016 12:48, hh wrote:
>>> Richmond M. wrote
>>> Back to the Garden of Eden
>> The big problem may be that you already bit into (the) apple.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Back to the Garden of Eden

2016-08-23 Thread Richmond 

The problem, and it is a very real problem, is how to escape the trap

that very many authors of programming manuals fall into: forgetting that 
their


target audience probably does not know a lot of what they know, but, at 
the same


time not trotting out a lot of stuff that sounds condescending to the 
reader.


Richmond.


On 23.08.2016 12:48, hh wrote:

Richmond M. wrote
Back to the Garden of Eden

The big problem may be that you already bit into (the) apple.


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Re: Back to the Garden of Eden

2016-08-23 Thread Richmond 

Guess that makes me the snake.

R.


On 23.08.2016 12:48, hh wrote:

Richmond M. wrote
Back to the Garden of Eden

The big problem may be that you already bit into (the) apple.


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Re: Back to the Garden of Eden

2016-08-23 Thread Antti Ilola 
I have it in my bookcase since 90's among other computer books. There it is
reminding me of those "good old days".

2016-08-23 12:37 GMT+03:00 Richmond :

> I, finally, got my copy of 'The Complete Hypercard 2.2 Handbook' by Danny
> Goodman from the attic of my house in Scotland . . . involving, amongst
> other things, having to stay in a bed-&-breakfast because there are tenants
> in my house.
>
> Feels very good indeed to have my hands on it.
>
> Mind you not as good as to be able to settle down to some BASIC 4 with my
> BBC Master Compact.
>
> So, I am, vaguely, working towards a possible book with something to do
> with Livecode . . .
>
> I have started by reading the Goodman book properly (for the first time,
> rather than dipping in and out).
>
> The blurb on the cover has 'A masterpiece of a book', and apart from the
> fact that when anything is described as a "masterpiece" one knows the
> reviewer hasn't read it critically, as-of-now it seems tediously complete,
> but that is mainly because it is probably reasonable to assume that people
> who want to do the sort of things Goodman's book was aimed at in 1993 know
> an awful lot of things about using computers that people in 1993, on the
> whole, did not.
>
> Quite a few of the chapters in the book now seem fairly redundant:
>
> Home Stack Author Utilities
>
> Introduction to External Resources
>
> and so on.
>
> But there is a lot of stuff that is "Old but Gold", but does need a fair
> bit of checking with Livecode as it is now.
>
> At the risk of appearing slow moving I shall cross-check things against
> both LC 7.1.4 and
>
> LC 8.1.0.
>
> I intend to release "chapters" as PDF documents for FREE (but copyrighted
> to myself) as I get round to them. Whether they will ever be assembled into
> a complete book has yet to be seen.
>
> Obviously this means that I will be even more of a "pain-in-the-bum" than
> usual floating questions on this Use-List: I hope that you will bear with
> me, and make helpful remarks.
>
> ---
>
> So: to work:
>
> on page 779 Goodman writes about SANE: the Standard Apple Numerics
> Environment.
>
> As Livecode is cross-platform is that relevant at all?
>
> All the functions that Goodman describes as SANE functions seem to be
> present in Livecode.
>
> Richmond.
>
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Re: Back to the Garden of Eden

2016-08-23 Thread hh 
> Richmond M. wrote
> Back to the Garden of Eden

The big problem may be that you already bit into (the) apple.


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Back to the Garden of Eden

2016-08-23 Thread Richmond 
I, finally, got my copy of 'The Complete Hypercard 2.2 Handbook' by 
Danny Goodman from the attic of my house in Scotland . . . involving, 
amongst other things, having to stay in a bed-&-breakfast because there 
are tenants in my house.


Feels very good indeed to have my hands on it.

Mind you not as good as to be able to settle down to some BASIC 4 with 
my BBC Master Compact.


So, I am, vaguely, working towards a possible book with something to do 
with Livecode . . .


I have started by reading the Goodman book properly (for the first time, 
rather than dipping in and out).


The blurb on the cover has 'A masterpiece of a book', and apart from the 
fact that when anything is described as a "masterpiece" one knows the 
reviewer hasn't read it critically, as-of-now it seems tediously 
complete, but that is mainly because it is probably reasonable to assume 
that people who want to do the sort of things Goodman's book was aimed 
at in 1993 know an awful lot of things about using computers that people 
in 1993, on the whole, did not.


Quite a few of the chapters in the book now seem fairly redundant:

Home Stack Author Utilities

Introduction to External Resources

and so on.

But there is a lot of stuff that is "Old but Gold", but does need a fair 
bit of checking with Livecode as it is now.


At the risk of appearing slow moving I shall cross-check things against 
both LC 7.1.4 and


LC 8.1.0.

I intend to release "chapters" as PDF documents for FREE (but 
copyrighted to myself) as I get round to them. Whether they will ever be 
assembled into a complete book has yet to be seen.


Obviously this means that I will be even more of a "pain-in-the-bum" 
than usual floating questions on this Use-List: I hope that you will 
bear with me, and make helpful remarks.


---

So: to work:

on page 779 Goodman writes about SANE: the Standard Apple Numerics 
Environment.


As Livecode is cross-platform is that relevant at all?

All the functions that Goodman describes as SANE functions seem to be 
present in Livecode.


Richmond.


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