Forgive the thread necromancy, but it seems Chipp was right again - back
in February he wrote:
Surprise, Apple changed their license terms-- again.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9209580/Apple_s_new_App_Store_rules_affect_Amazon_s_Kindle
...
My guess is just like the last time, after
On 06/09/2011 04:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Forgive the thread necromancy, but it seems Chipp was right again -
back in February he wrote:
Surprise, Apple changed their license terms-- again.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9209580/Apple_s_new_App_Store_rules_affect_Amazon_s_Kindle
These changes are probably a mixture of the reaction of publishers to the first
agreement, but also an effort to make the iOS 5 Newstand feature be more of a
success.
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Here is Richard Dreyfuss reading the EULA:
http://www.cnet.com/8301-30976_1-20068778-10348864.html
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Hi Colin,
Am 09.06.2011 um 17:26 schrieb Colin Holgate:
Here is Richard Dreyfuss reading the EULA:
http://www.cnet.com/8301-30976_1-20068778-10348864.html
LOL! :-D
Just wonderful, thanks for the link!
My favourite: Effective until (with the light Schweinhundt accent) :-D
Best
Klaus
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Hopefully that won't be soon.
On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
Eventually, once they stop radically innovating new concepts, this will all
settle down and it will all be business as usual.
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Mark Talluto wrote:
Apple is pioneering the mobile app market and is pushing hard
initially for as much control as they think possible. Thanks
to competition and market pressure, they are forced to come
back in line with what is reasonable.
Reminds me of my last job I had before I started
lovely... :-)
My boss explained my job like this:
They're job is to ask for the world. Your job is to ask for half of it
back.
Richard Gaskin
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Wow, you had an easy boss! Mine would have told me to ask for 90% of the
world back and settle for 80%.
Pete
Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:
Mark Talluto wrote:
Apple is pioneering the mobile app
I rather expected this too. By setting draconian price guidelines initially,
they can control the market prices. The other requirement of
must-also-be-listed makes sure those controlled prices get used. Then a few
months later, before legal conflict can come to fruition, Apple revokes
these
I never listen to what people say. I only listen to what they mean. ;-)
Bob
On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
But that's for another time; for now, I just have to apologize for the stupid
pre-coffee typo - obviously They're should be Their:
On 6/9/11 8:02 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Content providers may offer In-App subscriptions at whatever
price they wish and they are not required to offer an in-app
subscription simply because they sell a subscription outside
the App Store as well
Sounds to me like a protective action in
Conspiracy upon conspiracy, wheels within wheels eh? Sounds like a Hollywood
movie.
Bob
On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Nonsanity wrote:
I rather expected this too. By setting draconian price guidelines initially,
they can control the market prices. The other requirement of
On 06/09/2011 08:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Conspiracy upon conspiracy, wheels within wheels eh? Sounds like a Hollywood
movie.
Oooh; can I have the role of the slightly daft Scotsman who manages to
make off-colour
remarks and put people's hackles up at critical moments?
Hey; and if I land
Now, if I could only do better predicting the NBA finals, I might actually
make a few bucks!
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote:
Chipp's guess was correct, less than four months later:
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On Jun 9, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I never listen to what people say. I only listen to what they mean. ;-)
Bob
Now, what exactly do you mean by that? (I speak as a psychiatrist...)
-- Peter
Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Hey; and if I land the role, I promise NOT to wear my leopard-skin posing
briefs . . .
. . . whoops, wait a minute . . . Leopard is out . . . I meant to say
lion-skin posing briefs . . . :)
Better not... as we have been hearing,
What are you saying? (I speak as a patient...)
Bob
On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
On Jun 9, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I never listen to what people say. I only listen to what they mean. ;-)
Bob
Now, what exactly do you mean by that? (I speak as a
I'm not sure.
(If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.)
:-)
-- Peter
Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
What are you saying? (I speak as a patient...)
Bob
On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:04 PM,
Why I pay more: The hardware and quality control is still superior and it's
easy to maintain the software and hardware
On 25 February 2011 23:43, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/25/2011 11:08 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:55 PM, François Chaplais wrote:
On 02/26/2011 08:25 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
Why I pay more: The hardware and quality control is still superior and it's
easy to maintain the software and hardware
I find that Hewlett-Packard and Ubuntu takes some beating.
On 25 February 2011 23:43, Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.com
oh, and the new camera on the iPad 2 will see through people's clothes.
Le 25 févr. 2011 à 21:16, Howard Bornstein a écrit :
snip
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On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:55 PM, François Chaplais wrote:
oh, and the new camera on the iPad 2 will see through people's clothes.
Yes, but unfortunately only the front side camera does that, so you'd be
looking at yourself.
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No! I will run in the streets with my iPad facing the crowd! Ha Ha!
Le 25 févr. 2011 à 22:08, Colin Holgate a écrit :
On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:55 PM, François Chaplais wrote:
oh, and the new camera on the iPad 2 will see through people's clothes.
Yes, but unfortunately only the front side
Reminds me of a skit that Conan O'Brian did last night where a gal had hidden a
spy camera in the back end of her jeans, recorded everyone looking at her butt,
then posted the video on you tube.
Afterwards, Conan says, Well that's bad, but it seems it is much worse than
anyone ever thought,
But only if you set it up to send a copy of the photo to the TSA screeners at
your local airport :-)
On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:55 PM, François Chaplais wrote:
oh, and the new camera on the iPad 2 will see through people's clothes.
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On 02/25/2011 11:08 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:55 PM, François Chaplais wrote:
oh, and the new camera on the iPad 2 will see through people's clothes.
Yes, but unfortunately only the front side camera does that, so you'd be
looking at yourself.
Well; it does,
Heh heh. The Germans loved him! He took Germany from a faltering bankrupt
country full of starving people and made them a great nation. It was his
methods that were questionable. So if methods are the issue, who among us is
good?
Sorry I can't help myself.
Bob
On Feb 16, 2011, at 6:48 PM,
On 17 Feb 2011, at 17:36, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Heh heh. The Germans loved Hitler! He took Germany from a faltering bankrupt
country full of starving people and made them a great nation.
No. He destroyed a recouping economy and restarted the war that was deemed to
be the last one ever needed.
I wonder how the Germans feel about that? ;-) JUST KIDDING!
Bob
On Feb 17, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
Also, there was no the Germans (and still isn't) as implied by you.
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On 17 Feb 2011, at 18:47, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I wonder how the Germans feel about that? ;-) JUST KIDDING!
There's no Germans, Russians, Italian or one of the other human group labels
that where invented for nationalistic state-building purposes shortly before
the great war. Stop implying there
I wonder if you think that your terse replies to me obligate me to stop
replying? The best way to get me to stop replying is to stop yourself. Okay? I
have heard about enough from you. I think I will just create a rule to drop
everything you post into my trash where it belongs.
Bob
On Feb
2011/2/17 Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com:
On 17 Feb 2011, at 18:47, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I wonder how the Germans feel about that? ;-) JUST KIDDING!
There's no Germans, Russians, Italian or one of the other human group labels
that where invented for nationalistic state-building purposes
On 02/17/2011 07:23 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
On 17 Feb 2011, at 17:36, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Heh heh. The Germans loved Hitler! He took Germany from a faltering bankrupt
country full of starving people and made them a great nation.
No. He destroyed a recouping economy and restarted the war
Ah but you love to argue so much! If you'd trash every opposing voice, who
would you then argue with?
Still, probably the wrong place for that. Of course I am not (able of) stopping
you, only lambast you at every opportunity.
On 17 Feb 2011, at 19:03, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I wonder if you think
On 02/17/2011 07:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I wonder how the Germans feel about that? ;-) JUST KIDDING!
STOP kidding now!
Bob
On Feb 17, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
Also, there was no the Germans (and still isn't) as implied by you.
Dear Heather Nagey,
Please put a cap on this one.
Love, Richmond.
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On 17 Feb 2011, at 19:12, Andre Garzia wrote:
2011/2/17 Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com:
Also, you really don't know when to stop replying (hint: about 10 replies
ago). Second hint: I have a German passport.
I have a brazilian and a portuguese passport, are we playing trumphs? :-D
I
Dear List Folks,
I concur.
This thread is dead, please do not reply to any further posts on this
topic.
Regards,
Heather
On 17 Feb 2011, at 18:14, Richmond wrote:
Dear Heather Nagey,
Please put a cap on this one.
Love, Richmond.
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On 17 Feb 2011, at 18:19, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I just know how a country of good people can be deceived
This making the original poster's point. :-) And he from Texas, of all places.
Sorry Heather. I know you closed it.
Cheers
Dave
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Ouch, Dave! I resemble that remark! (though I don't feel deceived by Steve
Jobs, just misled ;-)
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Dave Cragg dave.cr...@lacscentre.co.ukwrote:
On 17 Feb 2011, at 18:19, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I just know how a country of good people can be deceived
This making
Hi from Beautiful Britanny,
Peter Haworth said :
I won't use an iPhone or an iPad because of Apple's attitude.
Amen to that Peter, after nearly 30 years of faith in Apple
and its products, and the long line of their beautiful machines
from the 128 down to the iMac.
As long as I can't run
folks,
I am a heavy user of the kindle app for both the iPhone and iPad. I
don't have a kindle but I read a lot of scifi in english, I can't buy
the books here and my place is small to host them, so I buy digital
and save some forests. Imports are heavily taxed here in Brazil, if I
buy a kindle
If it's Tuesday it must be a new iOS license... ;)
Personally, I'm not too concerned about this latest move by Apple.
Like Chipp says, Apple will backpedal on this once the implications
become clear, just like they did last time:
My dream phone is not an android one, I am a fan of WebOS
since its start and always wanted a phone running that.
Last year at OSCON, I saw a demo of the Ares tool set from some engineers at
HP and I have to say, for building web apps, its really beautiful. They have
tablets coming, too.
Best
Well . . .
Either APPLE are slow learners and they don't realise how this sort of
move followed by a retraction makes them look unstable from a policy
point of view.
Or . . .
APPLE knows very well what it is playing at; attracting our attention
and then appearing to give way when that is what
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Lynn Fredricks
lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote:
My dream phone is not an android one, I am a fan of WebOS
since its start and always wanted a phone running that.
Last year at OSCON, I saw a demo of the Ares tool set from some engineers at
HP and I have to
If vendors do not like the deal, they don't have to sign the contract. If users
do not like Apple practices, they can avoid buying the product. Isn't free
enterprise grand? We can vote with our wallets! What will NOT by ANY means
change one daggum thing however, is bashing Apple on a list no
On 02/16/2011 07:37 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
If vendors do not like the deal, they don't have to sign the contract. If users
do not like Apple practices, they can avoid buying the product. Isn't free
enterprise grand? We can vote with our wallets! What will NOT by ANY means
change one daggum
Bob said:
If vendors do not like the deal, they don't have to sign the contract.
If users do not like Apple practices, they can avoid buying the product.
What you are overlooking is that vendors like Amazon have already
invested who knows how much, to build and provide first class
applications
Yes, not directed at you in particular Richmond. But I should make the point
that you paid Apple money for those things didn't you? And in return you got a
product, right? Isn't your contract with Apple now ended? (Once the Warranty
expires I mean.) Certainly, it doesn't entitle you to any
You are then saying that Apple has violated some contract or agreement, or at
least a commonly understood fair practices common law with the vendors. Well
and good. There's grounds for a lawsuit then.
But character assassinations of people we do not at all know personally, behind
the
I just want my devices to be mine again... to be able to tinker with
them without making myself a target for a lawsuit...
:-/
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
You are then saying that Apple has violated some contract or agreement, or at
least a commonly
On 02/16/2011 08:10 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Yes, not directed at you in particular Richmond. But I should make the point
that you paid Apple money for those things didn't you? And in return you got a
product, right? Isn't your contract with Apple now ended? (Once the Warranty
expires I mean.)
On 02/16/2011 08:29 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
I just want my devices to be mine again... to be able to tinker with
them without making myself a target for a lawsuit...
:-/
That, my dear, is what the whole cut and thrust of Richard Stallman's
critique is about:
I am reminded of the words of a great man, who was telling a story
about a landowner who had hired some day laborers, some early, some
the middle of the day, some late afternoon, and some towards the
evening. The deal he struck with each was that he would pay them
one shekel for their labors.
On 02/16/2011 08:54 PM, David C. wrote:
Oh pooh!
Bravo!
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On 16.02.11 at 11:57 -0600 David C. apparently wrote:
Bob said:
If vendors do not like the deal, they don't have to sign the contract.
If users do not like Apple practices, they can avoid buying the product.
What you are overlooking is that vendors like Amazon have already
invested who
On 02/16/2011 08:48 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
On 16.02.11 at 11:57 -0600 David C. apparently wrote:
Bob said:
If vendors do not like the deal, they don't have to sign the
contract.
If users do not like Apple practices, they can avoid buying the
product.
What you are overlooking is that
On 16 Feb 2011, at 19:10, Bob Sneidar wrote:
I guess what I am on the soap box about is the notion so many people have
these days that we are owed some say in what amounts to the private affairs
of other people or corporations and even countries.
Because you'd never tell anyone to stop
If vendors do not like the deal, they don't have to sign the
contract. If users do not like Apple practices, they can
avoid buying the product. Isn't free enterprise grand? We can
vote with our wallets! What will NOT by ANY means change one
daggum thing however, is bashing Apple on a list
Whatever Apple decides to do is one thing (and certainly open
to debate), but what REALLY frustrates a lot of people is the
constant changing of the rules.
Constantly changing the rules may be intentional.
Best regards,
Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
On 2/16/11 11:57 AM, David C. wrote:
What you are overlooking is that vendors like Amazon have already
invested who knows how much, to build and provide first class
applications for Apple products and their customers.
True. But as I understand it, it is still possible to purchase content
at
personally I thin taking 30 percent if the sale is made trough iStore is
decent. Not taking money from sales made other places is also decent. What's
indecent in my eyes is _demanding_ that any offer made outside of iStore is
also mandatory to be made in the iStore as a mirror offer.
The last
On 2/16/11 2:48 PM, David C. wrote:
I do know for certainty that PDF's and e-books of other formats can be
emailed to a user account to be converted to work with the Kindle, as
long as there isn't any DRM content involved. Unless you are correct,
that means folks that own Amazon based e-book
I never mentioned the word parable! ;-)
I understand that changing the rules after devs invest is very frustrating. But
every week? Bit of an exaggeration. And no it's not wrong to be bothered by it,
you are invested, and because of that there may be, as I said room for
litigation. It's just
I don't yet own an i-thing, so I'm not clear on this,
but if you already have an app installed, won't it
continue to work forever?
Well one would certainly hope so and I would imagine they will have to
at least to some extent. I'm thinking that the class action suits
directed toward both Apple
Also, a socialist doesn't believe that money that is in your hand is yours to
do with as you please. That is contrary to Marxism. Sorry for the politics.
It's applicable to the subject.
Bob
On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Richmond wrote:
Upon paying the last ones first, and then the first
On 02/16/2011 11:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Also, a socialist doesn't believe that money that is in your hand is yours to
do with as you please. That is contrary to Marxism. Sorry for the politics.
It's applicable to the subject.
I know what Marxism is, what it is supposed to be, what it was,
On 2/16/11 3:17 PM, David C. wrote:
Just doesn't seem fair for Apple to put their vendors or their
customers through those kinds of hoops, needlessly.
I certainly have to agree with that. I wonder whether Steve's illness
has affected his judgement.
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On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:54 AM, David C. wrote:
Oh pooh! Anyone old enough to be past the grade school age has had to
deal with such things and your inference to someone else being
cowardly might just be a be cowardly by your own measure. rolling
eyes
Except that I am communicating
Just once I believe, and if I'm not mistaken, He thought it worth it because of
what He got out of the bargain. Not so poor a chap now!
Bob
On Feb 16, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Richmond wrote:
On 02/16/2011 11:18 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
That's what the proto-socialists say. The neo-conservatives
Now there's a thought. Also, I wonder how much sway the stockholders and the
board of directors have on these decisions. No one seems to think about those
guys, but they cannot be silent in all these major decisions.
Bob
On Feb 16, 2011, at 1:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 2/16/11 3:17
But let's not continue this any further. You seem to be very upset
about all of this. Perhaps I've struck a nerve. My apologies.
Heh, no need for apologies, Bob. We have both voiced our points of
disagreement, no more, no less. Actually, I'm not too upset in all of
it, because I have a very
Reread that part. Just for the record, I in now way am comparing Jobs to
Hitler! Just thought the Godwin's law thing was sorta funny-- on second
read-- not so much.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote:
Furthermore, I don't need to personally know Hitler to know
On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
I suspect Kindle will have to be dropped from the iPad and iPhone. I'm
sure Amazon doesn't have 30% in royalties to cough up to Apple for
books sold.
That's not good logic. For one thing, people are making fortunes off their 70%,
and I'm
Well said. Apple's behavior in recent months has been ridiculous. If
Microsoft tried anything remotely close to this, the Apple lovers would be in
an uproar. This isn't just Amazon, it also applies to newspapers and
periodicals who offer subscriptions for online reading of their
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