Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-03 Thread Shawn Blc
Using PHP and LiveCode together on your own server (even a shared hosting account), you could also setup a cron job to run at certain times and have the data automatically sent. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Talluto use...@canelasoftware.comwrote: On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Richard

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-02 Thread Richard Miller
The challenge with this issue (of automatically sending an email from a given computer) is that I need to offer the easiest, most compatible, and the safest method to the user. The users of this app can range from a single computer home user to a large corporation with many Macs installed. To

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-02 Thread Ben Rubinstein
I'm still surprised that your original approach of doing SMTP directly from inside LC wasn't sucessful. I have an app that does data transformation jobs on a regularly scheduled basis, and sends reports via email. I coded it many years ago, basing this part on Shao Shen's libSMTP; with

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-02 Thread Richard Miller
Yes, Ben... I agree with you. The frustration is that, in testing both Shao's library and Sarah's with one client in particular (120 Mac's), we couldn't get either to work with their mail settings (and we tried numerous settings). It works fine using my GoDaddy settings, so I know the

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-02 Thread Bob Sneidar
This will produce a flurry of support calls, as home users in my experience never remember their own email passwords unless they use webmail and have to enter it each time, in which case that users email would be useless to you. I install copiers for a living now, and by far the biggest snag,

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-02 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richard Miller wrote: I am still looking into the PHP script option for corporate users. One alternative solution is to have my app pop up a notification on the users desktop alerting them to the problem. This avoids the need to send an email altogether. But I have been told that this

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-02 Thread Mark Talluto
On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I am still looking into the PHP script option for corporate users. The PHP/LiveCode solution is completely silent, will work on both the internet and intranet, require no mail config on the client side. The only requirement

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-01 Thread Bob Sneidar
To play the Devil’s advocate so to speak, we had people downloading and installing wares and peer to peer software, and then sharing illegal copies of movies with others out of our high speed corporate network. We told them not to. Over and over again. They kept doing it anyway. This got found

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-01 Thread Bob Sneidar
Why use email? Why not mySQL or a simple SMB share? Something like that? Bob On Mar 28, 2014, at 18:25 , Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting that my LC app send out the results of its search to a central server, which then handles

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-01 Thread Bob Sneidar
Is that really invisible? If they are in Apple Mail, don’t they see the mail being created and sent? Also, it will be in their sent mail. Not my idea of invisible. Further, this will only work if an email account with working SMTP has been already created, and if the SMTP server ever becomes

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-04-01 Thread Earthednet-wp
In 100% agreement. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote: To play the Devil’s advocate so to speak, we had people downloading and installing wares and peer to peer software, and then sharing illegal copies

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-29 Thread stephen barncard
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: secret collection is the devil. then I apologize if I misjudged the intentions of your app. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-29 Thread Richard Miller
Thanks, Mark. Will give it a try. Looks like it could be a simple solution. Richard On 3/28/14 11:15 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting that my LC app send out the results of

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-29 Thread Richard Miller
No worries, Stephen. On 3/29/14 4:48 AM, stephen barncard wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: secret collection is the devil. then I apologize if I misjudged the intentions of your app. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-29 Thread Earthednet-wp
Folks, Unfortunately, invisibly sending information about your online activities is a common situation. We don't expect it in standalone apps, but who deals only with standalone these days? I know of no other environment where I am presented with at least several attempts, per day, to do

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-29 Thread Mark Talluto
On Mar 29, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I don’t want to quibble, but the request in this e-mail would seem to me to be highly dangerous, totally subversive, and irrevocably suspicious. Maybe somebody would like to graft into

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-29 Thread Richard Miller
In this case, Richard Miller has been a member of this community for as long as I can remember. Thanks for mentioning this, Mark. Perhaps some were not aware of this. I would NEVER create software that was not of high ethical standards. In this case, my app can help save all the data on the

RE: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread FlexibleLearning.com
Let me get this straight... You not only have a clandestine app running invisible to the User, but you also want to invisibly collect (presumably User) data and then email the data without the User knowing? Frankly I am not surprised you are finding it hard to get a Mac to cooperate. Sounds like

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Miller
Hugh, This is for a corporate application. The owners of the business will install and control this app. The data it is reporting only has to do with the health of the Mac it is running on. It's a maintenance program. Richard On 3/28/14 5:10 PM, FlexibleLearning.com wrote: Let me get

RE: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread John Dixon
Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread stephen barncard
secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Miller
Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23 PM, stephen barncard

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Alex Tweedly
Might it be easier to access a URL rather than send an email ? Have a server somewhere which can gather the data included and email it along to wherever it needs to go ? (Or, to put it another way, I don't know how to directly answer your question :-) -- Alex. On 28/03/2014 20:53, Richard

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 3/28/14, 3:53 PM, Richard Miller wrote: I thought about using the built-in OSX sendemail command from a Shell script, but I have read that that command will often not work on a given Mac unless the Mac has been set up to allow it to work. Not sure what is involved to make this command work.

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Skip Kimpel
Yes, quite the harsh remarks :) On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Pradeep Saxena
) from inside a Mac LC app Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23

RE: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread John Dixon
If all this is so innocent, why hide it from the person using the Mac ? Have you heard yourselves !? Jacque Landman-Gay wrote :- I think I'd just try it. Presumably since the machines are set up by the company, they could also enable whatever is required as needed. It's their property and

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Miller
I tried sendemail from my own laptop from within Terminal, but can't get it to work. Anyone know how to configure a Mac to enable this? On 3/28/14 5:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 3/28/14, 3:53 PM, Richard Miller wrote: I thought about using the built-in OSX sendemail command from a Shell

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Miller
There is no intention to hide anything. It's a background maintenance program. On 3/28/14 5:53 PM, John Dixon wrote: If all this is so innocent, why hide it from the person using the Mac ? Have you heard yourselves !? Jacque Landman-Gay wrote :- I think I'd just try it. Presumably since

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread kee nethery
I data collect on an internal app used in my business. I have a web server with a web page that logs all connections to it. The user app will POST to the server and that data goes into the log. I can review the logs and do stats on the app usage and such. Since it is all internal users, they

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Miller
. Hope this helps! Best Regards, Pradeep From: Richard Miller w...@together.net To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app Fascinating responses

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Talluto
Richard, I understand the need to develop this type of application. You are going to want to run a php script on your server and have your mac app call the php script and send the needed parameters. This will keep things quite so the individual working on that system is not bothered by

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Earthednet-wp
! Best Regards, Pradeep From: Richard Miller w...@together.net To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app Fascinating responses here

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Alex Tweedly
What he said - only I'd run a LC Server script instead of a PHP script :-) You could even run that LCServer script on your own site, as a service for all the different businesses that will use the program, and thus simplify setup for them. -- Alex. On 28/03/2014 22:07, Mark Talluto wrote:

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Miller
If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting that my LC app send out the results of its search to a central server, which then handles the emailing. This is what I wanted to do originally, and how I first developed this app. What I have since been told by one client (who has about

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Miller
This solution looks promising. Used the following as an applescript. Worked perfectly. Just requires that each Mac have a working version of Mail installed. - set recipientName to Richard set recipientAddress to rdmil...@together.net set theSubject to Type your subject

Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Talluto
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting that my LC app send out the results of its search to a central server, which then handles the emailing. This is what I wanted to do originally, and how I first