Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-16 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 13 Nov 2014, at 20:09, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 11/13/2014, 2:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Really, why wouldn't it be realistic to pay a bunch of students for a few hours of beta-testing (or should I say alpha-testing) some time in a development cycle? There's

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread Neil Roger
IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Neil Roger Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:59 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: hair-pulling frustration Hi Richard, I've

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread Peter Haworth
OK, so you mean this: revDataFromQuery(,,17,SELECT * FROM vader_darth__001_dna;) revDataFromQuery is a function, you need to either put it or get it or set a cprop to it. If I type the above statement into the message box I get exactly the same error as you whether there's a semicolon or

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
The way I see things, RunRev is not an overly large company. To remain solvent (something that benefits us all) they probably have to prioritize what they can and cannot do. In House testing of every possible scenario cannot be one of the do’s. Frankly I am thrilled at the progress made since

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread Peter Haworth
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: revDataFromQuery(,,17,SELECT * FROM vader_darth__001_dna;) Somehow, an earlier version of my reply was sent. Here's what I meant to send. Knowing that you used the message box makes a big difference, Everyone who has

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/14/2014, 11:58 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: My feeling is that something changed in the message box parsing routines and the semicolon is being taken as a separator between two statements. A semicolon in any script is interpreted as a line ending, except when within quotation marks. If the

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 10:26 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:10 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I blame myself for the omissions (except when Richard G. forgives me.) :) Bless me Richard, for I have sinned. It has been two weeks since my last bug report. Since

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hah hah! I would have used “For all permutations” instead! Bob S On Nov 14, 2014, at 10:47 , J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.commailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: LOL! Okay. Our Kevin, who art at RunRev, Hollowed be thy frame By coding done Yet still undone in engine, As it is in

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread Peter Haworth
Right, it looks like something in the message box message box interpretation scripts changed between the various releases I tested. I guess I should file a bug report. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/14/2014, 1:39 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hah hah! I would have used “For all permutations” instead! Ooh. Like. It is revised: Our Kevin, who art at RunRev, Hollowed be thy frame By coding done Yet still undone in engine, As it is in IDE. Give us this day our weekly upgrade And forgive us

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: A semicolon in any script is interpreted as a line ending, except when within quotation marks. If the example failed (where the semicolon is within the quotes) then that would be a problem with the scripts that

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-14 Thread Peter Haworth
Can you send us the relevant script lines? So far, it has worked in my script with or without semicolons in various versions from 5.5 and up in my testing so there must be something different in your script and mine. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread FlexibleLearning.com
If this were a realistic option, Edinburgh would have permanent testing staff. The language, syntax and interaction permutations are simply too vast for any automated testing whether by machine or human. As Richard G says, ensure your own software is robust with each new version and log any

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Mark Schonewille
Really, why wouldn't it be realistic to pay a bunch of students for a few hours of beta-testing (or should I say alpha-testing) some time in a development cycle? I'm sure they could detect the bugs that every other developer would detect right-away, but without frustrating those developers

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Éric Miclo
Hello, I do agree that more testing (non automatic testing) should be made before releasing a commercial product. But I’m not sure RunRev will listen. When the CEO says: I really would urge everyone in our community to move to 7 as soon as possible. We spent 18 months building it and

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Mark Schonewille
I'll give you 2 cents for that, Éric. I also don't think that RunRev will listen. Yet, I think a company should not rely on its user base for testing. A company can't blame its user base for not testing, if something appears not to work, but a user base can blame the company for delivering

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Geoff Canyon wrote: I'm just expressing frustration about barriers to reporting bugs. For example, a login is required to file a bug... ...as it is for this list, which the bug system is being compared to. Just about any publicly-accessible venue that displays user-generated content will

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Sean Cole (Pi)
HI Richard, I have a suggestion for this, having just read the entire thread. I too find it hard at times to get the time to even write here let alone fill out a report on Bugzilla. And then to go through the process of creating a recipe or sample stack. The reason for this is obvious, that like

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Éric Miclo wrote: I do agree that more testing (non automatic testing) should be made before releasing a commercial product. But I’m not sure RunRev will listen. When the CEO says: I really would urge everyone in our community to move to 7 as soon as possible. We spent 18 months building

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Sean Cole wrote: I have a suggestion for this, having just read the entire thread. How about this approach (which is nothing new - Apple use a similar system and I personally have had much success with it). In the LiveCode app itself (both Commercial and Community) in the Help menu should be a

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richmond
On 13/11/14 18:22, Richard Gaskin wrote: snip Software is complex stuff. I don't think it was a mistake for Tim Cook to suggest we upgrade our Apple devices to the latest software version which later bricked some phones, and I don't think it was a mistake for Kevin to suggest that we use

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 1:50 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: if the requirements are causing Jacque to fail to report a bug, that's a huge issue. Well, to be fair, it doesn't always prevent me from reporting things. If I have time I do create an example stack, especially if my current work can't proceed

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 2:27 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Really, why wouldn't it be realistic to pay a bunch of students for a few hours of beta-testing (or should I say alpha-testing) some time in a development cycle? There's no way a few hours would catch much in a system as complex and large as

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: SELECT * FROM sometable; worked before the change with SQLite. Now, it is necessary to remove the semicolon. I just tried this using LC 5.5.4

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 12:20 PM, Richmond wrote: I believe there needs to be: 1. a set list of incentives on offer for bug detection. I wonder if it would be possible to extend a user's license for a short period after a certain number of verified bug reports has been submitted. For community

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Neil Roger
Hi Richard, I've attempted to replicate the semicolon issue without any success. This could be why we have not come accross it during testing in-house. The script that I tested with is- global gConnectionID on mouseUp global gConnectionID if gConnectionID is not a number then

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Peter Haworth
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: revDataFromQuery(,,17,SELECT * FROM vader_darth__001_dna;) yields Message execution error: Error description: value: error executing expression Hint: ) While if I leave out the semicolon, it gives me all the data in

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:06 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 11/13/2014, 1:50 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: if the requirements are causing Jacque to fail to report a bug, that's a huge issue. Well, to be fair, it doesn't always prevent me from reporting things. If I have

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/13/2014, 2:32 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I didn't mean to imply that the system is preventing you from entering any bugs; I'm saying that given your many years of experience and dedication to the platform if the system prevents you from entering even a single bug, that's bad. The thing is,

RE: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Ralph DiMola
[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Neil Roger Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:59 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: hair-pulling frustration Hi Richard, I've attempted to replicate the semicolon issue without any success. This could be why we have not come accross

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: What might do some good is point out to RunRev that when they released their Open Source version of LiveCode they undertook to be more touchy-feely and more responsive to their users . . . and, just possibly, they may be falling short of this. Perhaps. What should

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Alex Tweedly
Note to self : I am *not* getting involved in this thread. I am *not* getting involved in this thread. I am *not* getting involved in this thread. I am *not* getting involved in this thread. I do *not* have time to read, never mind get involved in, this thread. :-) OK.

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Neil Roger n...@livecode.com wrote: Both the inclusion and exclusion of the semi-colon return data as expected. If possible, could you supply a stack for me to test with and I will happily look into this further. I'll see what I can pop together. And now, I

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Tweedly wrote: It would seem touchy-feely for there to be more response on this list from RR. I tend to feel the same, but as with so many things it's a balancing act - after all, one of the reasons we want them here is to tell them to go away so they can spend their time fixing bugs.

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Peter Haworth
I just tried it under 7.0 and same result - no problems with or without the semicolon. There must be something else going on in Dr Hawkins code. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I just tried it under 7.0 and same result - no problems with or without the semicolon. There must be something else going on in Dr Hawkins code. The ones I posted today were typed into the message box! -- Dr. Richard E.

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-13 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:10 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I blame myself for the omissions (except when Richard G. forgives me.) :) Bless me Richard, for I have sinned. It has been two weeks since my last bug report. Since then I wrote three undocumented functions and one

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Mark Schonewille
I agree. I have always felt that RunRev should occasionally hire one or two people for beta-testing. They could test new releases before they are labelled pre-release. This would cost only a little money and safe hundreds, if not thousands of people lots of frustrations. -- Best regards,

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Mark Schonewille
Jacque, I teach a class for free and if one student doesn't understand one word, I spend some extra time with that student to make sure he or she understands it. If I didn't do this, I would lose the students one by one and in the end I'd be the only one understanding the lesson. So, I guess

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:15 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: An unresponsive IDE was mentioned. The editor and the IDE can both become frozen if you are debugging and you try to do something else without exiting debug mode. Not only can you not type into the editor, which

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Richmond
On 11/12/2014 04:25 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Jacque, I teach a class for free and if one student doesn't understand one word, I spend some extra time with that student to make sure he or she understands it. If I didn't do this, I would lose the students one by one and in the end I'd be

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Bob Sneidar
Let me just say that for some folks who do not have enough time to report bugs, they certainly have found an abundance of time to post their frustrations to this list! Just sayin’. Bob S ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Richmond
On 12/11/14 19:50, Bob Sneidar wrote: Let me just say that for some folks who do not have enough time to report bugs, they certainly have found an abundance of time to post their frustrations to this list! Just sayin’. Bob S ___ Ooo! Bi*chy :)

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Peter Haworth
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: SELECT * FROM sometable; worked before the change with SQLite. Now, it is necessary to remove the semicolon. I just tried this using LC 5.5.4 (prior to the SQLite library change) and LC 6.6.2 (after the SQLite library

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Peter Haworth
Can't quite agree with that simplistic analysis. There are many Commercial users who test the dp and rc releases, especially if they contain fixes for bugs they reported. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote: Let me just say that for some folks who do not have enough time to report bugs, they certainly have found an abundance of time to post their frustrations to this list! Just sayin’. It takes far less time to send

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Geoff Canyon wrote: It takes far less time to send an email than it does to file a bug. If you just want to type, the difference is negligible. If you want to actually see the bug fixed, the ROI for filing a bug report is much higher. ;) -- Richard Gaskin LiveCode Community Manager

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Geoff Canyon
Any positive value is higher than zero, so sure. I'm just expressing frustration about barriers to reporting bugs. For example, a login is required to file a bug, and the bug submission form all but requires an example stack. I understand the desire to get clear, actionable bug reports, and I

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-12 Thread Richmond
WINE has an interesting release model: https://www.winehq.org/ Every 2 weeks, dead on time, they release another beta version, and whenever (and 'whenever' can mean anything between 2 weeks to 2 years) they release a stable version. The beta versions are labelled like this: 1.7.1, 1.7.2 and

hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
I can't help but wonder what it would take to get runrev to follow normal practice and actually get something to alpha level before calling it a developer preview, beta by a release candidate (ok, that still wouldn't be normal), and working rather than early beta before release. If I sold

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 21:25, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I can't help but wonder what it would take to get runrev to follow normal practice and actually get something to alpha level before calling it a developer preview, beta by a release candidate (ok, that still wouldn't be normal), and working rather than early

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: OK, I'll stop venting, but the amount of time I'm losing to bugs that never should have seen a public preview is getting increasingly frustrating. I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. The SQLite issue may

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 21:55, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: OK, I'll stop venting, but the amount of time I'm losing to bugs that never should have seen a public preview is getting increasingly frustrating. I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Dr. Hawkins, The whole computer industry is changing too rapidly now. Their is no such thing as “stable” as a result. What everyone wants is a “stable” OS, a “stable” language, a “stable” database, and stable hardware platforms to go with it all. If we had all of that, we’d already have a

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: OK, I'll stop venting, but the amount of time I'm losing to bugs that never should have seen a public preview is getting increasingly frustrating. I agree, which is why it benefits no

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Haworth
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: In addition to the others I've mentioned here an in other recent posts, the recompile of sqlite is not quite compatible with the old, and behaves differently. For example, a semicolon at the end of an entry without

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Haworth
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: The SQLite issue may be more related to the new SQLite code base than with LiveCode. I can't say specifically - Mr. Haworth, what do you find with that? Just asked for an example and will check it out. Pete

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: On 11/11/14 21:55, Richard Gaskin wrote: I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. That is, of course, very true. Another idea that might not be bad, is to slow down the releases so there is more time for

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 22:59, Dr. Hawkins wrote: snip I really can't give up any significant portion of my coding time to do livecode's work for them; these are things that are so basic that they never should have seen a release to the public. I'm afraid, Richard Gaskin et al, the above is going to be

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 23:16, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 11/11/14 21:55, Richard Gaskin wrote: I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. That is, of course, very true. Another idea that might not be bad, is to slow down the

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/11/2014, 3:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: So while we can't be expected to test everything, if we only test our own apps with new builds that's usually all we need for our own work. Collectively, if we call just ensured that new features get implemented in ways we need, we'll all have what

R: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. Two problems, though: 1) One can *either* stay with 5.5, *or* use any of the new features. Without maintaining

Re: R: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/11/14 23:34, Richard Gaskin wrote: snip Being in touch with them fairly regularly, I can say with confidence that it's not like they're all sitting at the beach drinking Mai Tais. Heck, it's Edinburgh - is it even sunny enough to go to the beach? :) snip While I know they are not

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: What usually stops me is the need to create a separate, stripped-down stack to demonstrate a more complicated bug. I completely understand the need for this, especially in my case where the original stack is huge and complex, and I wouldn't expect RR to plow through all

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/11/2014, 3:23 PM, Richmond wrote: Several times I have stated that in my opinion RunRev are being swept along into a sort of feature bloat which prevents them from sorting out little 'niggles' in existing features. I se no reason to change that opinion. Suppose while teaching English,

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Vaughn Clement
The student example Your comment is interesting BUT; Instructors need to test the curricula before, during and after the instruction. The question is, is it the instruction, the testing or the student having the problem. It all comes back to the testing. The teacher who does not test the

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: Obviously Dr Hawkins is not over-enamoured of the Open Source theory: LiveCode is paid for in a different way [the I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine way] than the 'standard' commercial way [I pay you, and you do ALL the work]. I think you and I may be a rare breed.

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I rarely, if ever, try to execute multiple SQL statements in one revDatabasexxx so haven't seen that particular problem. Could you give an example? I'd like to check it out as I don't want to get hit by the same bug. I

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I agree, which is why it benefits no one more than ourselves to test our work with pre-release versions. Two problems, though: 1)

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously Dr Hawkins is not over-enamoured of the Open Source theory: LiveCode is paid for in a different way [the I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine way] than the 'standard' commercial way [I pay you,

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I'd like to raise these concerns with Ben and Kevin at my next meeting. It would be very helpful if you could point me to the bug reports that describe these issues. That's the problem. These are at a level that

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Any other specific issues you feel are show-stoppers may well be worth looking into, and I'd be happy to help if I can. But to do that I'd need to know what they are. That the IDE doesn't work? I filed those

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread William Prothero
Folks: Just to chime in on this. I’ve been using version 7.0 for a couple of months. No problems. I’m not using many of the new features like unicode, but have found the IDE working fine for my purposes, so far. The slowdown in some operations has affected me, though. Picking out a byte from a

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi Richard, on Tue, 11 Nov 2014 Richard Gaskin wrote: [snip] On the other issues, can you share the bug report numbers so we can follow them? Does exist an automatic way to post every new bug report in this mail list? Could bugzilla do this? In this way, every bug will be noticed and

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Any other specific issues you feel are show-stoppers may well be worth looking into, and I'd be happy to help if I can. But to do that I'd need to know what they are. That the IDE doesn't work? I'll run a search

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Mark Talluto
On Nov 11, 2014, at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Any other specific issues you feel are show-stoppers may well be worth looking into, and I'd be happy to help if I can. But to do that I'd need to know what they are. Hi Richard, Thanks for taking this on.

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Mark Talluto
On Nov 11, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: There was a recent comment about shadowed name warnings in the Facebook group recently, but that seemed related to turning on the feature to warn about those (Prefs - Script Editor - Strict Compilation Mode). The

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Terry Judd
On 12/11/2014 11:00 am, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: LiveCode's developer previews simply execue (nightly snapshot that executed), the RC are alpha quality, the 5.5 series are late beta, and the 6.x and 7.x releases are early beta. I think that¹s a bit harsh. There are problems with

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Any other specific issues you feel are show-stoppers may well be worth looking into, and I'd be happy to help if I can. But to do

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Terry Judd terry.j...@unimelb.edu.au wrote: On 12/11/2014 11:00 am, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: LiveCode's developer previews simply execue (nightly snapshot that executed), the RC are alpha quality, the 5.5 series are late beta, and the 6.x and 7.x

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Peter Haworth
OK, I'll try with and without multiple statements in both versions. I do want to double check that you're not trying to access an SQLite database over a network because you WILL have major problems if you are :-) Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Talluto wrote: Thanks for taking this on. These are stopping us from using 7 either in shipping applications and in some cases development: Move command renders graphics improperly when screen has been recently locked http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13961 Player object

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The first one ('97) was especially interesting because in all the years I'd been using LC I'd never used that particular feature. The description of that feature on p68 of the User Guide does seem to match your

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: OK, I'll try with and without multiple statements in both versions. Now, to make matters worse, it appears that I've been using 7.0.0, not 7.0.1-RC-1 for an unknown period of time--it has managed to set itself as the default

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The first one ('97) was especially interesting because in all the years I'd been using LC I'd never used that particular feature. The

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: Now, to make matters worse, it appears that I've been using 7.0.0, not 7.0.1-RC-1 for an unknown period of time--it has managed to set itself as the default version more than once on this machine. If that's on a Mac, I don't believe there's anything a developer can do -

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: To start with, Peter Hayworth filed *Bug 10511* http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10511 in 2006 . . . but wee discuss this every three or fourt months on this list. I recall only vague descriptions with no clear outcome, and that amazingly long bug report

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Terry Judd
For greater control over app versions I put all the ones I use in my Dock and launch them explicitly from there. I¹m sure you¹re not alone there. I have six versions of LC in my dock that I use for different projects and for testing. I have many more than that in my Applications folder. Terry...

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread Richmond
On 12/11/14 07:46, Terry Judd wrote: For greater control over app versions I put all the ones I use in my Dock and launch them explicitly from there. I¹m sure you¹re not alone there. I have six versions of LC in my dock that I use for different projects and for testing. I have many more than

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/11/2014, 7:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The second one ('98) was one that could benefit from others here who've used the debugger more than I have (Jacque, that means you g). I'm not sure if it's a bug or merely needs more explanation in the docs. For reference:

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/11/2014, 11:46 PM, Terry Judd wrote: For greater control over app versions I put all the ones I use in my Dock and launch them explicitly from there. I¹m sure you¹re not alone there. I have six versions of LC in my dock that I use for different projects and for testing. I have many more

Re: hair-pulling frustration

2014-11-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11/12/2014, 1:15 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: That said, right-clicking on an existing and active breakpoint *does* put up the expected popup, the one that gives you debugging options. So I don't see any problems here. I take that back, I didn't test far enough. The popup appears and the