Can you give any idea how long for the 64 bit version? If we are talking 6
months or less, I will wait for it, if its more, I'll install the 32 bit
version.
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Its not answering the question, but
You could get a much cheaper android phone, make the first one how you want
it, and then clone using cyanogenmod backup and resotre using a flash card.
Very simple process. The problem with iphone might be that someone else will
think of it if your app
If only someone would do a plug-in for Geany. I know, dream on
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Richard, thank you so much for that link to a wise, amusing and charming
article. Yes, you are right. The charm of it was youth. Which we only
realise when we look back on it as you did there. It is the experience
some of us will have had - of returning home after a long absence to a place
Yes, I will buy it. Would be nice in e-book form, but either way.
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Oil of Olbas. Much better than Vicks. You fill a large bowl with boiling
water, put a towel over it, and drop the oil in every 30 seconds or so.
Breathing deeply through the nose.
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I'm using Fedora for an installation where I just couldn't get Debian to
drive the hardware properly, and its very nice - very up to date, quick
install, very easy to manage. But the one I'm about to try personally is
Bodhi, on a Thinkpad I just acquired used. Always had a soft spot for
Hans Kwint has posted a very interesting article on LXer, which expresses what
I've often thought but never expressed so clearly, about ease of use and ease
of
learning. Lots of very illuminating examples and some discussion of Gnome 3
and
KDE4 but also discussion of Autocad in this context.
Has anyone implemented anything in LC which takes a passage of text and
then does statistical analysis to see whether another passage was written
by the same author?
Or do you know of any implementation in any other language for that
matter...?
Peter
No, not quite. Those test to see does a given text derive from some others.
What I need to know is, whether this text, which is likely originally
authored, was authored by the same person as this other.
Its like, did St Paul write the Epistle to the Hebrews, given that we know
he wrote the one
It can be done statistically. Various methods have been proposed and used.
One general kind of measure is the probability of another word coming, as a
function of the past n words. Another is to measure the length of gap
between occurrences of pairs of a given word. There is technical
Well just in case anyone ever does need to do it, here are two places to get
started. One is NLTK - the free Natural Language Toolkit and its associated
free online book Natural Language Processing with Python. Which appears to
double as a Python tutorial, so its two for one.
I do think its possible, and has actually been done successfully. The Bible
is a difficult case since we don't have value free assessments of
authorship. Consequently it is reasonable to argue that what the programs
do is successfully implement the prejudices of their authors.
However, when
My own purpose is not to do with religious texts, but it seems like the
example is getting in the way of the subject. There's no reason why
statistical analysis shouldn't work on textual analysis. Whether it does,
and which method is best, and which language is best to do it in, these are
all
Don't know if anyone needs these things, but if you do, they are really
neat. One is unoconv. That will take all the .doc files in a directory
and with the aid of open office or libreoffice will turn them into
perfectly decent pdfs. As in:-
unconv -f pdf *.doc
Then the other really neat
Anyone know of an audioguide app in livecode? The kind of thing you get in
some museums now. where you walk around entering a number and it plays you
a more or less interesting audio clip about the exhibit you are looking at.
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The way the audioguide business works is, you have a special museum type
handset. This costs hundreds of dollars to buy, but what it consists of is
a keypad, tiny lcd screen and a phone type speaker.
The user goes around the museum and sees large numbers attached to exhibits
or freestanding.
There is a company in the UK who supplied audioguides for museums based on an
iPod, and they did this with a special case.
The problem you have is that maybe you can find an mp3 player with a speaker
(you need to consider disability, and you can't do headphones for hygiene
reasons), but then
Richard - you say
Heck, you can't even deploy to Android Linux from LiveCode for Linux.
Thanks for letting me know, I was about to buy an upgrade to my Linux
subscription to allow me to do just that! Oh dear. Fortunately O'Reilly
seems to be having a half price sale that includes several
http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/b2s-special.do
Now may be the time to accept that there are no longer any excuses, buy the
book, and get down to learning R! Or even worse, master those regular
expressions!
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Yes, agreed about Xfce, its the logical place to go if you have users you
simply cannot put through Gnome3. I use fluxbox just about exclusively now,
but recently put someone on windowmaker. A very old machine, and the only
use is going to be email and web. They are getting along fine with it.
Richmond, the answer is Debian. You cannot do a proper quality job releasing
new versions as often as they do. The only way to go is rolling release.
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I have never had any problem at a system level. Certainly not with any
instability with the minor upgrades. What I usually do is upgrade from
stable to Debian testing about a year or so from what I expect to be the
release date. By then its been 'testing' for a year or more. Then a year
or 18
The thing that strikes me looking at Unity is how similar it is to
Windowmaker! Back to the future with those big icons down the side of the
desktop.
Well, the one person I put in Windowmaker for is fine with it. So maybe
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Yes, I completely agree. The Gnome people and the Ubuntu team with them,
have gone completely off the rails with this one. Like KDE did before them.
I'm about to install a new system for someone, and will put in something
with Gnome 2. Debian 6 is my obvious choice, or Mageia maybe, and Mint
I've always found Rev very fair, even generous, on pricing, and when I've
contacted Heather on what my best option was she told me exactly what to buy
(or actually what not to buy!) to get best value in my circumstances. Its
one reason why I'm still with Livecode and recommend them. I am sure
it says talk to Heather, she will work out something that's fair, and it also
says stay with them because this is a long term thing. It may be that some
things about pricing or licensing are not what you would like right now, but
over time it will be OK. It also says that there are alternatives,
When I try to do standalone settings (this is 4.5.2 but it is also in my
other versions) it opens a file selection dialogue and not the usual
settings screen. Anyone else experienced this? Or any idea what its due
to?
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Richard, thank you. What an aberration! Yes, if you have not saved your
stack, you don't get to set the standalone optionsbut once you have,
back they come.Oh dear, thanks!
I don't usually do standalones, I use stackrunner, because locking the
source isn't an issue for me.
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I never much needed this, but now am thinking about it again, and it is
marked as it has been for years now 'coming shortly'.
Is it really coming, or is this a euphemism for not coming at all?
Obviously there are real questions about plugins in a public environment,
but in a closed environment
I'm having trouble with the livecode shell and cd command also.
pwd in a terminal does:
:~/ runrev 4.5/livecode-4.5.2$
cd ..
:~/ runrev 4.5$
pwd
runrev 4.5$
If you do the exact same things using put shell(), this doesn't work.
In particular,
put shell(pwd)
Bernard, many thanks, yes, that works. Can I ask one more question, how then
would you get the shell to interact, like if you do su and want to get the
password in, and then run a script that requires root password? Or maybe
all that has to be done in shell?
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Thanks guys. Yes, I know about sudo. The idea was to get the user to put in
the root password on each occasion, not to store it someplace which you're
quite right of course would be very unwise.
I think maybe livecode is not what I should be using for this, the right way
is probably to have a
Roger Eller wrote:
How about this method?
shell(pw= tPassword ; echo $pw | sudo -S command)
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Yes very neat, thanks. My problem was a bit different but maybe this can be
used. The real problem is
Yes, Jobs killed a lot of things that were losing money - but that does not
explain why Apple would not open-source Hypercard if it didn't want to
support it. It was possible to stop the losses without killing the product,
but he chose not to. There had to be a reason for that.
I recall calling
Stay with Ubuntu for now, but install fluxbox and see if it still happens.
At least you'll know if its Ubuntu or Gnome3.
Once you have got used to Fluxbox, its astonishing how little use you have
for a window manager, desktop, all that bloat. I preferr flux to openbox
mainly because the virtual
Pessulus, a lockdown editor, works in Linux. I have used it. There is also
a distribution called webconverger, whch could be used as a starting point.
Two other points of takeoff if building a linux appliance would be tinycore
or slitaz. They are really tiny distributions and very fast.
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I've more or less stopped using Rev because I only use Linux, and having got
a 22 inch monitor, I simply can't read most of the IDE unless I reset screen
resolution to much lower resolution. Or put on reading glasses which brings
its own problems. It doesn't make any difference which WM you use.
You will, Warren. You will. Its like policemen and nurses getting younger
and younger. Print gets smaller and smaller, and one day you just can't
read it any more. Everyone around you says they can read it fine. And they
can. For now.
Hmm. Peter, I am using a 24 inch monitor and don't
The first link is to a comprehensive review of Gnome 3, the whole thing being
worth reading, but which culminates in the following:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fedora-16-gnome-3-review,3155-16.html
The implications for the Gnome-Ubuntu usability project are quite devastating.
Richard Gaskin wrote
Like Tim noted, any user of any current major distro who prefers Gnome 2
can install it and use it. Ubuntu goes so far as to make this a
one-click option at login.
Richard, I wish that were true, I would simply do it. But its vanishing
from the repositories. I
What to go for?
I would agree with Richmond that xfce is the current desktop of choice. My
own distro of choice is Debian, but if this is your first shot at Linux I
would go with PCLinuxOS, XFCE Edition.
I would also agree with Richmond to install on a separate hard drive. Its
cheap and its
Richmond, congratulations. One can tell that this has been a long haul. Its
not something I will ever use, but Sanskrit scholars will probably be very
grateful to you.
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ability to package an app into a turnkey appliance. Any sort of appliance
running on general purpose minimalist hardware, and running something like
Slitaz or a stripped down Debian version, and it will be fast, free and
There are really two interesting issues, one being the effect of choice on
non-computer people who are using the systems, and the other being usability
and standards.
Richmond is probably right that choice is to a degree unwelcome for most
people. We may like it, we may know what we want, but in
You're not taking account of the Open Source movement. Were I starting again
at this point, the choice would be Python. Genuinely free in every way, and
not just as in beer. There is actually an impulse in many of us, which
neither Friedman, Thatcher nor Marx were able to admit, to contribute
It wasn't free as in open source free. It was proprietary and restricted and
there was no way to jail break it.
The dog in the manger approach was, we don't want it, we cannot use it (eat
it) and so we will not let anyone else who could use it and make good things
out of it have it either.
They
Its a great book. I've one or two comments about topics and treatment which
are probably best sent direct. The thing it might be interesting to know
how others feel about is physical. Is it possible to go to a stitched and
not just a glued binding. I keep wanting to pin it open or spread it
Think you are right about UK. You can find £70-80 boards with embedded Atoms
on Amazon. Then you need memory, storage of some sort, and a case. You can
get cheap min-itx cases, have a look on ebuyer, but bottom line, you will
not get away much under £150.
If doing this sort of thing though,
Richard, this may be teaching my grandmother but when confronted with
this sort of thing I usually try another linux, preferably fairly minimal.
So for instance, plain Debian, maybe with another desktop than gnome, xfce
for instance or openbox. Then if that crashes, maybe a slackware based
Peter, could you post which of your packages work
(i) with the community version
(ii) with linux?
Thanks
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Thanks for replying.
Not quite sure what the issue is with the open source version. Is it not OK
to have closed source add-ons to an open source package? For instance, for
firefox or open office?
I can see that if it was an add-on which was packaged into a compiled
software package, this would
I think that is how the closed source Python editors work - don't any longer
recall the one I had, but it was totally standalone, and then the code it
generated was independent of it, so the editor was not bound by any open
source requirements on the package itself.
Peter, are you saying that
Fraser Gordon wrote
As with 32-bit Linux, we need to find a distribution that will allow
is to produce builds that work well on the majority of Linux
distributions.
The answer probably begins with a 'D'!
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Debian Jessie running Fluxbox. The updater starts, downloads, then seems to
fail to either update or put a new version into /opt/rev. Tried twice.
Also the updater loses all its text. I guess maybe update does not work and
one has to install from scratch?
Thinking of moving to i3 based on
I've installed for everyone, so its in /opt. Maybe the thing to do is su to
root and then fire up the old version and then do the update and kill the
app immediately the download starts...
Well. Worth a try. But there must be lots of people who install in /opt,
so the installer or updater
No, its broken. Update simply doesn't work. I'll download and try to
install from scratch.
This is:
su to root, cd to /opt/runrev/release-in-question
./livedodexxx
Then run the updater and quit LC as soon as downloading starts.
The window loses its content and there is no update.
Peter
No, its broke. Logged in as root, navigated to the download, started from
the file manager, and I get the same thing, blank window with buttons with
no text in them, and it don't work. Running it in a terminal gives no
information.
I do have mulitarch latest version (debian has dropped ia32 as
Thanks for the suggestion! I've tried to follow it, but the problem is I can
get detailed instructions for how to install the pango 32 bit libs on
earlier versions of Debian which had the ia32 libs. However this has
vanished from the repositories with the latest releases to be replaced by
Martin, many thanks for this. I shall have a go. ldd is a very useful
reminder.
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So, being more than a bit parochial, is valentina for linux for rev included
in this, and if so what is the deal on it?
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Ruslan, I am sorry to be so obtuse about this. If I want to run Valentina
from Rev, and only from Rev, and only on Linux (well, maybe Windows could be
interesting as an option if not too expensive) and I don't want to sell my
stuff commercially, its strictly not-for-profit, what exactly do I
I've done both - barebones and build from scratch. The issue with barebones
is to make sure it is a standard form factor main board. A couple of Asus
machines have been fine, but are impossible to upgrade or to replace the
main board if anything goes wrong. Shuttle has the same problem. I
Jacque, I never did either of these things, but it looks like you can
preserve execution bit attributes using tar with the mode option.
http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_tool_guides/tar_user_guide/Option-Summary.html
Then, to set the icon programmatically, it seems you have to create
Just checked the latest download of 4.5.2 and that comes with no obvious
icons. There is one machine I sometimes use with gnome on it, and I seem to
recall downloading the graphic, then creating the desktop launcher, and then
linking to the graphic to inconify it. So yes, a considerately
I bought revBrowser for Linux several years ago. I think it was called
altBrowser then or something like that, Rev had just bought that and the
sqlite package, and there was some sort of special offer, so I thought, this
will be neat. Still waiting.
The pleasures of anticipation are often so
Andre Garzia-3 wrote:
Peter,
I have altBrowser and I don't think it ever shipped a linux
external... am I wrong?
andre
You are quite right. I did buy it, or thought I had, but it never shipped.
Its a long time ago now, maybe there was a misunderstanding. Sqlite did
arrive
Is this a dual boot system, windows and linux? The linux boot does this, the
windows boot does not?
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If anyone wants an application specific turnkey Linux distribution to package
with an application they have written, so as to be able to deliver a pure
appliance that would take over and run on a machine, there are some 40 or so,
and counting, under the auspices of the rather amazing
I do presentations occasionally for someone who has to give them in a variety
of windows centric venues. We do them in OpenOffice, and then export them
as PDFs for the venues. Never had a problem. He typically just takes along
a little usb stick with them on, or sometimes emails them to the
I do bullets in openoffice by insert special character, it seems to vary with
the font where they are. In wordpress these all seem to work:
bull
#x2022
#8226
not sure if they need a semi colon after them, it seems to work with or
without.
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Yes. When I do this in OO under Linux, nothing happens. But if you make an
html file in linux with the entries shown and then display it in a browser,
you do get bullets.
Dunno. There is something about unicode in wikipedia, and it also claims
you can press control + shift in Gtk+ apps.
They are telling you something, the folks at Ubuntu.
Its fluxbox. Or Openbox. Or maybe it could even be WMII. Or that Finnish
tiling WM I was using a few months back. F1 for the man pages, F2 for
terminal. What else do you really need?
I suspect they are telling you something else. They are
We use Bubba2 which runs headless Debian. Picked because of reliability
concerns about the plug systems.
https://www.excito.com/bubba/buy/shop.html
They are on offer now because a new model is coming out. For another use we
are going to put together an intel dual core atom board in a fanless
http://www.excito.com/bubba/support/download.html
has the documentation links.
There are reviews, and here is one where the guy did streaming. We don't do
that.
http://www.ghacks.net/2009/05/03/connecting-linux-to-a-bubba-2/
It is not terribly intuitive, the setup. I am still not quite sure
I am probably doing something silly, but can anyone help with why this should
be happening?
I hosed my Debian installation (don't ask!). So not having done a new install
for many years and several new computers, I decided the thing to do was start
from scratch again. Its not a big deal, you
Yes, but it makes no difference how its tried. The permission is set to
everyone read and write, its also set to executable, and if I do it from
thunar or from a terminal I get the same error. I even started a terminal
in the folder, became root, then started thunar as root, then tried to
I'm posting from nabble, and that seems only to have whatever version of the
list this is going to. Is there some other service that has the right new
address? If so I will use it.
On the install issue, it may well be 32bit libs. On a 32bit Debian install,
it went in just fine.
Is it
Debian Testing, with thunar as the file manager, no gnome or kde desktop,
only fluxbox, but gtk is installed. Though thunar is set not to display
hidden files, using the answer file dialog it does.
I seem to recall noticing this before in a different context but can't put
my finger on where just
It was indeed that ia32libs was not installed. On installing them, and gtk,
everything went in without problems. Dunno whether gtk was needed, because I
did it without thinking before trying just with ia32.
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32 bit Debian stable which will come with Gnome 2. Or, you can install 64bit
version, in which case put in ia32 libs, which will install with no
problems.
Mint is also not a bad idea, and another good choice will be PCLinuxOS.
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I have never, ever had to have a user change permissions in a terminal.
Never. And this goes back around 10 years.
What does sometimes happen is that when an email attachment arrives, and the
user saves it to another folder, it may be marked read only. Or, when
he/she opens such an
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competitor. Never got along very well with koffice, but if you like frame
oriented word processing, it is that. Simple desktop publishing can be
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Its not a problem that is confined to Apple - though Apple maybe sets the
tone. You can see it in Linux too. Both Gnome 3 and KDE 4 have gone
through a phase of total user interface redesign. In both cases the result
was pretty unusable - though it doubtless conformed perfectly to HIG
Ken Corey wrote
If the HIG are not scientifically provable usability, but simply
subjective statements, then how can we measure usability?
The enterprise is fundamentally mistaken. We have to start by recognizing
there is no such thing. One size does not fit all. Different
Rev has always been fair to the point of generosity in my own experience, so
this is not a criticism. Heather is always clear and helpful and friendly.
And the language is very nice indeed.
The issue seems to be the trade off between open source and proprietary.
When you go proprietary there
The pricing at the moment appears to be (is this right?) that if as a new
customer you want Linux you pay either Gold Perpetual, at $1,000, or you go
PAYG Cross Platform at $50 a month. This seems to give you IOS, Android,
Sever, Mac and Windows, none of which you may want, but they are
Richard, I think this is the problem, isn't it?
If you're going to support Linux in a way that is viable and attractive for
people wanting a Linux based programming environment, this is not cutting
it. To do that you have to make the Linux environment available in the same
way you make Mac,
slylabs13 wrote
Where else would we go?
Bob
It depends for what platform. For Linux you would likely go to Python and
use one of the gui kits of which there are several. I don't know about
Windows or Mac. It would not be as nice or as easy, at least not for me.
But the nature of
The Linux market is certainly difficult and has some real challenges, and the
prevalence of free as in beer is certainly one of them. But this is what
you have to contend with if going after that market. RealBasic is an
example of a company that's made the decision and is doing it. Whether
if this means me, I am definitely not promoting any other products. I am
simply drawing attention to the implications and incentives of the marketing
positioning of LiveCode for the Linux market. I clearly state each time
that LiveCode is my preferred solution. I am just pointing out that for
Yes, I had misunderstood. It seems that the situation is that Linux is in
fact on a par with Mac+Windows. You buy either Android or IOS, and then you
pick one included desktop, which can either be Linux or Mac+Windows, and the
price seems to be the same: $500.
This is a reasonable answer to
You're quite right, apologies. No, not very intuitive, but its there.
Thanks.
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Colin, afraid its out and all over. I googled for the title, and came on
lots and lots of download links.
Why not reach an agreement with Rev to package a copy with every license?
The thing one has to think is that this is understandably upsetting for the
author/owner. But actually, like it
The problem is, people are being caught in the middle of a massive technology
change and consequent change in markets caused by no-cost untraceable easy
anonymous replication, and its not going back to the way it was. Don't know
the answer, but like it or not, there is obviously no going back to
Understand that availability is not the same as demand. I was curious about
the extent of this thing and looked for 50 Shades of Pages and pages
of them. Presumably that is at least partly demand, though it doesn't seem
to be hitting sales.
But do you think that there could be a case for
I have never believed the EULA restrictions would be enforceable in court in
the EC. First because its a contract of adhesion. Second because it may
say its a license not a purchase, but if it walks and quacks like a purchase
that is what the courts will hold it to be, and then you can do what
Its unclear because it is most likely that an EU court, if it ever came to
that, would decide that it was a purchase and not a license. Because if it
walks and quacks like a duck
Or as Lincoln said, if a tail is a leg how many legs does a dog have? Four,
because a tail is not a leg.
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