Re: Object layers
And again. I really could not count the number of times over the years that the good people of this list have dug me out of a LiveCode hole, usually (but not always) of my own making. I literally could not use LiveCode now without knowing the list is there as the first-aid line. One cannot always be asking the mother ship to resolve one’s confusions. Graham > On 10 Jan 2018, at 09:43, David V Glasgow via use-livecode > wrote: > > >> . I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness >> and friendliness in this community, freely given. >> > > Me too. Nicely put. > > David Glasgow > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
> . I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and > friendliness in this community, freely given. > Me too. Nicely put. David Glasgow ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
Hello Christer. This list is a community. It is friendly, helpful, and there is a certain amount of chat. When that chat becomes excessive, I do ask members to curtail it, however nothing in this thread in any way contravenes the spirit of this list. You were offered some helpful advice. Another list member asked for assistance in reading the emails and received it. I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and friendliness in this community, freely given. This list runs on mailman. Its pretty old software, but many people here prefer it to moving to the forums and reading mail there. As long as mailman continues to function, I imagine the list will continue to be here. It has limitations. Threading doesn't always work well (depending on email client). We are not responsible for third party archives such as nabble or how they behave. Replies to your email may become attached to different threads if the subject is changed or the responder uses a different client/mail sorting method. I'm not sure if you were expecting direct replies to your personal mail? This isn't typically how it works, if you post to the list responses will go to the list, and be available to help other users at a later date. As always, politics, religion and cheese remain off limits. Please avoid quoting the entire thread when replying to a topic, just retain enough to make sense. Friendly advice on relevant topics is always welcome - and a little bit of chit chat oils the wheels and makes it all more human. Best Regards to all, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager LiveCode Ltd www.livecode.com > On 10 Jan 2018, at 08:59, Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode > wrote: > > Just to respond. > > Thank you for the advices - very helpful. However, experiences with the > early versions (say V5-V7) made me avoid the grouping functionality. Maybe > because I could not manage the concept too well. So I have given it up and > manage it (as do with scaling etc) with additional coding - with variable > success, though. > > There were two surprises in this discussion thread. First, I did not get any > response form the list on answers to my mail. It would be helpful to get the > response as an e-mai to the originator to speed up receiving the information. > How would it become possible? > > Second, there is a lot of really *unnecessary* blaah-blaah yadda-yadda mails > nothing to do with the subject as a part of the thread (and many other > threads as well; if you want to make it efficient, also please leave the > pages-long, repeatedly appearing "when someone created the world" kind of > poems). If you do not have anything meaningful to add into the use of > LiveCode, please, please get off the list, go to your Facebook. I'd ask the > LiveCode folks to put some discipline into this. > > thx > Christer Pyyhtiä > MindCrea Ltd > chris...@mindcrea.com > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
Just to respond. Thank you for the advices - very helpful. However, experiences with the early versions (say V5-V7) made me avoid the grouping functionality. Maybe because I could not manage the concept too well. So I have given it up and manage it (as do with scaling etc) with additional coding - with variable success, though. There were two surprises in this discussion thread. First, I did not get any response form the list on answers to my mail. It would be helpful to get the response as an e-mai to the originator to speed up receiving the information. How would it become possible? Second, there is a lot of really *unnecessary* blaah-blaah yadda-yadda mails nothing to do with the subject as a part of the thread (and many other threads as well; if you want to make it efficient, also please leave the pages-long, repeatedly appearing "when someone created the world" kind of poems). If you do not have anything meaningful to add into the use of LiveCode, please, please get off the list, go to your Facebook. I'd ask the LiveCode folks to put some discipline into this. thx Christer Pyyhtiä MindCrea Ltd chris...@mindcrea.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
On 1/8/18 2:07 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: I have a similar problem with my yahoo account, and gmail isn't much help either. Maybe even worse, since gmail insists on not respecting folders. I have gMail forward all incoming mail to my hyperactivesw address, where I read it on my Mac with a real email client. Best of both worlds. And Google doesn't store or read those emails so some privacy is retained. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
On 01/08/2018 10:51 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode wrote: I do get a lot of eye rolling about that. Stuck in the past, you see. Heh. Yeah, but what I had in mind is that aol's email access doesn't handle things like threading, so their technology (or rather their not keeping up to date with it) puts you at a disadvantage in terms of viewing the message order natively without resorting to nabble or something similar. And aol's not alone in this. I have a similar problem with my yahoo account, and gmail isn't much help either. Maybe even worse, since gmail insists on not respecting folders. Why I don't use gmail for listservs. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
I do get a lot of eye rolling about that. Stuck in the past, you see. Craig -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
Jacque- Remember that Craig is still using aol. Nuff said. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
Jacque. I do receive them as emails, but the text is not well formed, and the thread is not preserved. So I go to babble to get the context and timing. It would all be fine if we signed our names. Craig -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
It works if you receive the list in email, only the nabble archives do that (and maybe some others.) The last person to post is assigned to all posts in the archive. It can change minute to minute. Also, when replying to the list from an email client you may need to adjust your reply settings, otherwise the reply goes only to the poster and not to the entire list. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On January 7, 2018 3:32:23 PM dunbarx via use-livecode wrote: Klaus. I never can figure out who the authors of these posts are. It seems that each day one user garners all of them. I have no idea how that is managed. With--over at midnight GMT? I asked years ago that everyone sign their full names because the list structure itself is useless. Craig Newman -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
Klaus. I never can figure out who the authors of these posts are. It seems that each day one user garners all of them. I have no idea how that is managed. With--over at midnight GMT? I asked years ago that everyone sign their full names because the list structure itself is useless. Craig Newman -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
Hi Craig, > Am 07.01.2018 um 18:13 schrieb dunbarx via use-livecode > : > > "I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random > layers. " > > First, what Klaus said. > > Second, layer order is preserved pretty well in LC. When you set the layer > of the group to top, as Kluas sheesh... 8-) > suggests, and then ungroup, all the child > controls take the topmost layers, with their individual order reflecting > their order when they were initially grouped. although I am quite active in the forum and here on the list, I did NOT respond to this thread so far, you mean Randy H. :-) > Craig Newman Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
"I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random layers. " First, what Klaus said. Second, layer order is preserved pretty well in LC. When you set the layer of the group to top, as Kluas suggests, and then ungroup, all the child controls take the topmost layers, with their individual order reflecting their order when they were initially grouped. Craig Newman -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Object layers
What if you set the layer of the group to top before ungrouping? set the layer of grp "playerGroup" to top ungroup grp "playerGroup" But, why do you need to ungroup? randy - > On Jan 7, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode > wrote: > > When setting object layers, how do they work actually? > > The documentation states the higher the number of an object, the control is > higher than the the object it is on. > > This means that in case of two objects on top of each other a mouseClick > would go first to the object with the higher layer number, yes? > > And, it seems to be that not any two objects on a card can exist with the > same layer number, if the objects are not in the same group, right? > > Now if you have objects grouped, and you ungroup them, how to keep them still > above any other layers they are on? For example, you have a set of game > buttons on the board, which you initially group to move them together, and > then you need to ungroup them, and with sequential clocks you want to make > sure the control is with a single button instead of first hitting the > playboard squares, how do you make sure the buttons reside on top of the > board. > > I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random > layers. > > > Christer Pyyhtiä > MindCrea Ltd > chris...@mindcrea.com <mailto:chris...@mindcrea.com> > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Object layers
When setting object layers, how do they work actually? The documentation states the higher the number of an object, the control is higher than the the object it is on. This means that in case of two objects on top of each other a mouseClick would go first to the object with the higher layer number, yes? And, it seems to be that not any two objects on a card can exist with the same layer number, if the objects are not in the same group, right? Now if you have objects grouped, and you ungroup them, how to keep them still above any other layers they are on? For example, you have a set of game buttons on the board, which you initially group to move them together, and then you need to ungroup them, and with sequential clocks you want to make sure the control is with a single button instead of first hitting the playboard squares, how do you make sure the buttons reside on top of the board. I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random layers. Christer Pyyhtiä MindCrea Ltd chris...@mindcrea.com <mailto:chris...@mindcrea.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode