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2014-05-11 Thread Alex Tweedly
That's great news. Thank you ! Even if it can't be installed on a shared server, it should still be usable from a private one - and therefore usable for many people. Most importantly, if it can be installed on a local server for development testing then that would be the way to go. The old

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-11 Thread Robert Mann
Hi I would be happy to help advance the tools we have to share plugins etc... I've never co-worker in an open source thingy, so I would not be an initiator but a follower. How does such a group get constituted? Could something like *LOOMIO* provide a first group backbone? (/collaborative decision

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2014-05-11 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi Richard, Could you ask RunRev to consider using an open source web-based translation platform to translated LiveCode dictionary, docs, guides and tutorials? 1) https://www.transifex.com 2) https://launchpad.net 3) http://pootle.translatehouse.org/index.html 4) http://weblate.org 5)

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/14 22:18, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi Richard, Could you ask RunRev to consider using an open source web-based translation platform to translated LiveCode dictionary, docs, guides and tutorials? 1) https://www.transifex.com 2) https://launchpad.net 3)

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-11 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi Richmond, Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote Having experimented quite a bit with web-based machine translation I think that is most unwise. However; it might not be a bad idea to use a machine-based translation first, and then follow it up by proper checking / style-editing / remedial

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Terence Heaford
As a newcomer here, just tried it for the very first time, it crashed and locked up LIveCode. Not a good advert. All the best Terry On 10 May 2014, at 04:15, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: There have been some bug fixes, but the longer-term plans are queued for after

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Scott Rossi
I'd be up for contributing. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On May 9, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: There have been some bug fixes, but the longer-term plans are queued for after some of the other things get done first

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2014-05-10 Thread BNig
RevOnline/ User Samples does work very well for me in 6.6.2 RC3. It is working in 6.7 DP3, not working in 6.6.1 and 7.0 DP3 The problem seems to be that hanging/not working is different for different users and the bug(s) are difficult to reproduce. But I hope it is getting there.

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2014-05-10 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 10 May 2014, at 05:40, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Friday, May 9, 2014, 8:15:13 PM, you wrote: If we could work out a way to share the work on this with RunRev, anyone here interested in rolling up their sleeves to help? You mean trying to work with a rev team that spent six

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/05/14 06:15, Richard Gaskin wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Friday, May 9, 2014, 12:38:36 PM, you wrote: But RevOnline is rather erratic . . . You're being too kind. At one point Heather assured me that revOnline was about to be replaced with something better, or at least

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/05/14 06:40, Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Friday, May 9, 2014, 8:15:13 PM, you wrote: If we could work out a way to share the work on this with RunRev, anyone here interested in rolling up their sleeves to help? You mean trying to work with a rev team that spent six months ignoring the

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2014-05-10 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Alright here's a first version of a category management stack, including some 'dummy' example stack interface elements, to show off how it works. It's mostly a way to avoid category clutter right now. http://bjoernke.com/temp/Category_test.rev On 10 May 2014, at 10:07, Björnke von Gierke

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
TL/DR version: there are challenges, but improving the state of stack file sharing is doable, esp. with community participation. Longer version for folks with too much time on their hands: Björnke von Gierke wrote: Yes, and every time the community starts to talk business about this,

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
BNig wrote: RevOnline/ User Samples does work very well for me in 6.6.2 RC3. It is working in 6.7 DP3, not working in 6.6.1 and 7.0 DP3 The problem seems to be that hanging/not working is different for different users and the bug(s) are difficult to reproduce. But I hope it is getting there.

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2014-05-10 Thread Vaughn Clement
Hi Richard I see your request for assistance as needed and I would like to help, but based on my limited LC experience I would hinder the progress. I am responding just to say we hear your request, and want to help. I do have an ongoing need to see a better documentation system for users (new

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2014-05-10 Thread J. Landman Gay
I'd say you are in an ideal position to be the eyes of the volunteer team. The documentation is far too extensive to find problems easily. A person who can report the entries that are confusing or outdated would be of tremendous help. You wouldn't have to fix them, just tell folks where to

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Vaughn Clement wrote: I see your request for assistance as needed and I would like to help, but based on my limited LC experience I would hinder the progress. I am responding just to say we hear your request, and want to help. I do have an ongoing need to see a better documentation system for

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2014-05-10 Thread Earthednet-wp
I completely agree. Naive or new users can provide invaluable input to documentation authors. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org Being here asking questions is a valuable contribution in itself. For every question posted here there are many subscribers who had the same

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2014-05-10 Thread Marc Van Cauwenberghe
Hi, I would like to broaden the discussion to all livecode knowledge being easily available. There are stack being scattered over tons of different sites. Articles like the one 'Extending the Livecode Message Path’ I only found after spending months with Livecode. A good search engine that

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/05/14 21:24, Marc Van Cauwenberghe wrote: Hi, I would like to broaden the discussion to all livecode knowledge being easily available. There are stack being scattered over tons of different sites. Somebody (who ?) has to assemble a master page (preferably hosted on RunRev's site)

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Vaughn Clement
Hi I was talking to a senior developer today in the UK, and it is clear that this email How To is good, but it would be much better if it was a subject based forum that can be searched for answers. I know that RunRev has a forum for this purpose and it could serve this purpose. The question is it

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/05/14 21:41, Vaughn Clement wrote: Hi I was talking to a senior developer today in the UK, and it is clear that this email How To is good, but it would be much better if it was a subject based forum that can be searched for answers. I know that RunRev has a forum for this purpose and it

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2014-05-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: ...For instance, community contributions to the documentation is supposed to be included, but it does not seem to happen. Ostensibly there's a process for this, with style guidance as well: http://livecode.com/community/contribute-to-livecode/#%20Writing%20Documentation If

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2014-05-10 Thread Alex Tweedly
On 10/05/2014 16:07, Richard Gaskin wrote: How this applies to what we currently call RevOnline is something we'll have to figure out, but I think it's very encouraging that just is in this one thread we have several people willing to help. ... I'll make that the focus of my next meeting

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2014-05-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Tweedly wrote: The other area I'm even more interested in is RunRev's other major orphan - the on-rev client, and LCServer live debugger. That was a great idea - and the debugger still has the potential to be a unique advantage for LC server; unfortunately, the original on-rev client

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Mike Kerner
I can't even remember them because once it was obvious that nobody was looking at them, I stopped working on them, so it's been more than a year, I would bet. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Mike Kerner wrote: ...For instance, community

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-10 Thread Mike Kerner
Sounds like a wiki - even though, IMHO, wikis suck. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 10/05/14 21:24, Marc Van Cauwenberghe wrote: Hi, I would like to broaden the discussion to all livecode knowledge being easily available. There are stack

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-09 Thread Charles E Buchwald
I've made a lot of those single purpose tools. Many of them were part of my learning about LiveCode. But I've realized how easy it is to make my own plugins, and to share them. I've put a few on my website. I have a few more on the way. I'd like to see more of us publishing small, single purpose

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2014-05-09 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Charles E Buchwald wrote I've made a lot of those single purpose tools. Many of them were part of my learning about LiveCode. But I've realized how easy it is to make my own plugins, and to share them. I've put a few on my website. I have a few more on the way. I'd like to see more of us

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2014-05-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alejandro Tejada wrote: Does exists a visual directory of all stacks published in all these mail lists and forums? Ostensibly that's what RevOnline is for. so everyone can have access to all shared resources right in the IDE. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-09 Thread Richmond
On 09/05/14 22:33, Richard Gaskin wrote: Alejandro Tejada wrote: Does exists a visual directory of all stacks published in all these mail lists and forums? Ostensibly that's what RevOnline is for. so everyone can have access to all shared resources right in the IDE. But RevOnline is

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2014-05-09 Thread Mike Kerner
That was sort of why I made the first post, because I stumbled on those two and said Are you kidding me? Why haven't I seen anything about these? I'd like to see the tools/add-ons/etc. not just be in a jumbled-up mess of a list, but have more of an app store type of setup with reviews,

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2014-05-09 Thread Charles E Buchwald
I agree with you there, Mike. I like the _idea_ of RevOnline, but I wish it was better curated. Not to censor anything, just to be better organized. The categories are a mess. Note that there are reviews and ratings already. The WordPress plugin directory is a good example of system that

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-09 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond- Friday, May 9, 2014, 12:38:36 PM, you wrote: But RevOnline is rather erratic . . . You're being too kind. At one point Heather assured me that revOnline was about to be replaced with something better, or at least different. If that happened in the last couple of years I missed the

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Friday, May 9, 2014, 12:38:36 PM, you wrote: But RevOnline is rather erratic . . . You're being too kind. At one point Heather assured me that revOnline was about to be replaced with something better, or at least different. If that happened in the last couple

Re: [OFF] Cool Plugins

2014-05-09 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Friday, May 9, 2014, 8:15:13 PM, you wrote: If we could work out a way to share the work on this with RunRev, anyone here interested in rolling up their sleeves to help? You mean trying to work with a rev team that spent six months ignoring the fact that nobody could log into

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2014-05-09 Thread Mike Kerner
Richard, Let's start a group to discuss, and it should be more community than core team. The core team is a little lax on a variety of things, probably because responsibilities are not clear and expectations are not followed-up on. For instance, community contributions to the documentation is

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2014-05-09 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Count me in. Sounds like a way that I could contribute to the community and learn so interesting things about tools and plugins at the same time... On 09 May 2014, at 10:15 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: If we could work out a way to share the work on this with RunRev,

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2014-05-08 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Hey Mike... I'm not sure I've seen those plugins before. I googled them but couldn't find a link. Do you have a link to either one? - Charles On 08 May 2014, at 3:30 PM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: It is often harder than it should be to find things that make development life

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2014-05-08 Thread Scott Rossi
Mike is quite kind. I need to update a number of these tool things, and will make a public announcement when they're available. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 5/8/14 2:30 PM, Charles E Buchwald char...@buchwald.ca wrote: Hey Mike... I'm not sure

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2014-05-08 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Thanks for this, Scott! I'll look forward to them... On 08 May 2014, at 5:06 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Mike is quite kind. I need to update a number of these tool things, and will make a public announcement when they're available. Best Regards, Scott Rossi

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2014-05-08 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Mike Kerner wrote It is often harder than it should be to find things that make development life better in LC. I found two over the weekend at Scott Rossi's site, tmAlign and tmEffects, and it made me a little mad that I didn't find them before now. [snip] I have the sensation that LiveCode