Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
The 18 hour re-install and migration to another drive finally restored my machine to a 'normal' state with all hands on deck. No beachball anymore. Life is good. I described it a few posts back. thanks sqb On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.comwrote: It may not be normal, but it happens. I just did a google search for mdsworker os x slow and the first couple of hits, some from Apple Support Forums, include phrases like, 'apps are not responding and my mac is very very slow'. This may have been fixed with Lion but I (and many others) certainly had the problem with SL and the above mentioned forum responses nailed the solution. Stephen's Mac is not behaving normally, the symptoms seem to fit so I offered a suggestion. Unfortunately for Stephen he appears no closer to a solution. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: I respectfully disagree. Spotlight is designed to give up processor usage if something else needs it. If you get the beachball while spotlight is indexing, there is something wrong, and that is not normal. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: Actually missed a big one off the list. Spotlight - which would show up as mdworker in Activity Monitor. If you've added a 'new' HD, internal or external and haven't set Spotlight to ignore it then Spotlight may take forever to process it and you will definitely end up with the beachball. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
One way to eliminate Spotlight as a possible cause (or prove it) is to drag his entire hard drive into the Spotlight Privacy tab. He may need to restart after that (there is a way to quit the actual processes but may as well just restart). Bob On May 15, 2012, at 12:38 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: It may not be normal, but it happens. I just did a google search for mdsworker os x slow and the first couple of hits, some from Apple Support Forums, include phrases like, 'apps are not responding and my mac is very very slow'. This may have been fixed with Lion but I (and many others) certainly had the problem with SL and the above mentioned forum responses nailed the solution. Stephen's Mac is not behaving normally, the symptoms seem to fit so I offered a suggestion. Unfortunately for Stephen he appears no closer to a solution. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: I respectfully disagree. Spotlight is designed to give up processor usage if something else needs it. If you get the beachball while spotlight is indexing, there is something wrong, and that is not normal. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: Actually missed a big one off the list. Spotlight - which would show up as mdworker in Activity Monitor. If you've added a 'new' HD, internal or external and haven't set Spotlight to ignore it then Spotlight may take forever to process it and you will definitely end up with the beachball. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
I respectfully disagree. Spotlight is designed to give up processor usage if something else needs it. If you get the beachball while spotlight is indexing, there is something wrong, and that is not normal. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: Actually missed a big one off the list. Spotlight - which would show up as mdworker in Activity Monitor. If you've added a 'new' HD, internal or external and haven't set Spotlight to ignore it then Spotlight may take forever to process it and you will definitely end up with the beachball. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
BINGO! Wipe and reinstall time. Sorry. Dev previews are notorious for this. A bunch of guys here used the RC1 of Tiger to upgrade their production machines, against my vehement objections. They all paid the terrible price. Well, the price is not so terrible, just a nuisance. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 10:46 PM, stephen barncard wrote: yes thank you Kay, actually these are the first places I looked, the usual suspects. Something deeper might be going on, including the fact that I was using a developer preview when I first installed Lion, and it never let me upgrade beyond .0 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Actually missed a big one off the list. Spotlight - which would show up as mdworker in Activity Monitor. If you've added a 'new' HD, internal or external and haven't set Spotlight to ignore it then Spotlight may take forever to process it and you will definitely end up with the beachball. New in this case would mean something like moving your 1.75TB of backups to a new 3TB drive. Spotlight will spend forever doing it's thing to the 1.75TB already on the drive. I always add Backup/Archive HDs to Spotlight's Privacy list - but many times I forget with upgrades and it isn't until I'm left with an unresponsive system that I crack open AM and find the culprit. Also, what Sharing services have you set up. Is it possible someone is accessing iTunes, iPhoto or large files - you turned it on and forgot to turn it off? What about iCloud, are you snap happy and is iPhoto constantly updating your last 1000 photos to iCloud? Again, AM should help you pin point it. HTH ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
summary of my 'lost weekend': 1. I finally did a complete 10.7.4 re-install on Sunday. Installing apple store* Lion 10.7.4* on top of a previous installation worked better, but still took over 4 minutes to completely boot up. Some applications will still seem sluggish when starting up. No beachball though. It took about 9 hours to install. Most disturbing on this install is the progress indicator, telling me 36 hours at first, but later settling into alternating between 24 and 12. In other words, progress indicators don't mean squat. 2. A 'fresh' install of 10.7.4 with migrated files will take less than a minute to completely boot up. Things seem pretty normal now. It took 18 hours for this latest apple store version to install and move all the files (via migration assistant). I can imagine it would take a couple of days if I had a filled 1TB disk and tried to do this. 3. A 'fresh' install of 10.7.4 without migrating my thousands of documents and hundreds of applications is blindingly fast and boots faster than the above. other settings that may help avoid Mr. Beachball and delays: Turn off the 'size' checkbox and 'show icon preview' in folder prefs, then click use as defaults On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: BINGO! Wipe and reinstall time. Sorry. Dev previews are notorious for this. A bunch of guys here used the RC1 of Tiger to upgrade their production machines, against my vehement objections. They all paid the terrible price. Well, the price is not so terrible, just a nuisance. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 10:46 PM, stephen barncard wrote: yes thank you Kay, actually these are the first places I looked, the usual suspects. Something deeper might be going on, including the fact that I was using a developer preview when I first installed Lion, and it never let me upgrade beyond .0 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Actually missed a big one off the list. Spotlight - which would show up as mdworker in Activity Monitor. If you've added a 'new' HD, internal or external and haven't set Spotlight to ignore it then Spotlight may take forever to process it and you will definitely end up with the beachball. New in this case would mean something like moving your 1.75TB of backups to a new 3TB drive. Spotlight will spend forever doing it's thing to the 1.75TB already on the drive. I always add Backup/Archive HDs to Spotlight's Privacy list - but many times I forget with upgrades and it isn't until I'm left with an unresponsive system that I crack open AM and find the culprit. Also, what Sharing services have you set up. Is it possible someone is accessing iTunes, iPhoto or large files - you turned it on and forgot to turn it off? What about iCloud, are you snap happy and is iPhoto constantly updating your last 1000 photos to iCloud? Again, AM should help you pin point it. HTH ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
my statements may have appeared contradictory in the previous message. 1. I did a apple store* Lion 10.7.4* on top of a previous installation on Saturday. 9 hours 2. I did a fresh 10.7.4 re-install on Sunday. 18 hours re-written: summary of my 'lost weekend': 1. Installing apple store* Lion 10.7.4* on top of a previous installation worked better, but still took over 4 minutes to completely boot up. Some applications will still seem sluggish when starting up. No beachball though. It took about 9 hours to install. Most disturbing on this install is the progress indicator, telling me 36 hours at first, but later settling into alternating between 24 and 12. In other words, progress indicators don't mean squat. 2. I finally did a fresh 10.7.4 re-install on Sunday. A 'fresh' install of 10.7.4 with migrated files will take less than a minute to completely boot up. Things seem pretty normal now. It took 18 hours for this latest apple store version to install and move all the files (via migration assistant). I can imagine it would take a couple of days if I had a filled 1TB disk and tried to do this. 3. A 'fresh' install of 10.7.4 without migrating my thousands of documents and hundreds of applications is blindingly fast and boots faster than the above. other settings that may help avoid Mr. Beachball and delays: Turn off the 'size' checkbox and 'show icon preview' in folder prefs, then click use as defaults Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Are you using USB? Is it on a USB bus with other drives that may be in use? That would suck up the already limited bandwidth on a USB chain. Firewire 800 seems to take a couple hours or less for most of my migrations. Bob On May 14, 2012, at 11:29 AM, stephen barncard wrote: my statements may have appeared contradictory in the previous message. 1. I did a apple store* Lion 10.7.4* on top of a previous installation on Saturday. 9 hours 2. I did a fresh 10.7.4 re-install on Sunday. 18 hours re-written: summary of my 'lost weekend': 1. Installing apple store* Lion 10.7.4* on top of a previous installation worked better, but still took over 4 minutes to completely boot up. Some applications will still seem sluggish when starting up. No beachball though. It took about 9 hours to install. Most disturbing on this install is the progress indicator, telling me 36 hours at first, but later settling into alternating between 24 and 12. In other words, progress indicators don't mean squat. 2. I finally did a fresh 10.7.4 re-install on Sunday. A 'fresh' install of 10.7.4 with migrated files will take less than a minute to completely boot up. Things seem pretty normal now. It took 18 hours for this latest apple store version to install and move all the files (via migration assistant). I can imagine it would take a couple of days if I had a filled 1TB disk and tried to do this. 3. A 'fresh' install of 10.7.4 without migrating my thousands of documents and hundreds of applications is blindingly fast and boots faster than the above. other settings that may help avoid Mr. Beachball and delays: Turn off the 'size' checkbox and 'show icon preview' in folder prefs, then click use as defaults Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
No, I would never do that. I know USB was made for keyboards and dongles and useless for big data movement. This was done on a new Mac Pro copying between internal drives. (there are 4 possible on a Pro). The installers and migrators appear to be much slower than 'regular' file copy. I have a lot of files. Over a million. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Are you using USB? Is it on a USB bus with other drives that may be in use? That would suck up the already limited bandwidth on a USB chain. Firewire 800 seems to take a couple hours or less for most of my migrations. Bob On May 14, 2012, at 11:29 AM, stephen barncard wrote: my statements may have appeared contradictory in the previous message. 1. I did a apple store* Lion 10.7.4* on top of a previous installation on Saturday. 9 hours 2. I did a fresh 10.7.4 re-install on Sunday. 18 hours re-written: summary of my 'lost weekend': 1. Installing apple store* Lion 10.7.4* on top of a previous installation worked better, but still took over 4 minutes to completely boot up. Some applications will still seem sluggish when starting up. No beachball though. It took about 9 hours to install. Most disturbing on this install is the progress indicator, telling me 36 hours at first, but later settling into alternating between 24 and 12. In other words, progress indicators don't mean squat. 2. I finally did a fresh 10.7.4 re-install on Sunday. A 'fresh' install of 10.7.4 with migrated files will take less than a minute to completely boot up. Things seem pretty normal now. It took 18 hours for this latest apple store version to install and move all the files (via migration assistant). I can imagine it would take a couple of days if I had a filled 1TB disk and tried to do this. 3. A 'fresh' install of 10.7.4 without migrating my thousands of documents and hundreds of applications is blindingly fast and boots faster than the above. other settings that may help avoid Mr. Beachball and delays: Turn off the 'size' checkbox and 'show icon preview' in folder prefs, then click use as defaults Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
I actually stopped using migration back around Tiger because of how painfully slow it was. I've found it quicker to reinstall my apps and just copy my documents over. All of my film and music stuff are on a SAS array, so they don't come into the process. Tim On May 14, 2012, at 11:49 AM, stephen barncard wrote: No, I would never do that. I know USB was made for keyboards and dongles and useless for big data movement. This was done on a new Mac Pro copying between internal drives. (there are 4 possible on a Pro). The installers and migrators appear to be much slower than 'regular' file copy. I have a lot of files. Over a million. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
I use MA because I want all settings and authorizations that are in the LIB to go with it. It's kind of *all or nothing* with MA. I'd rather keep all the system crap on a smaller SSD, but apple insists a lot of stuff including apps live on the boot drive. I have over 100 raw drives for big data that slip into several Newer Tech 'toasters' . http://www.newertech.com/products/voyagerq.php sqb On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Tim Jones tolis...@me.com wrote: I actually stopped using migration back around Tiger because of how painfully slow it was. I've found it quicker to reinstall my apps and just copy my documents over. All of my film and music stuff are on a SAS array, so they don't come into the process. Tim On May 14, 2012, at 11:49 AM, stephen barncard wrote: No, I would never do that. I know USB was made for keyboards and dongles and useless for big data movement. This was done on a new Mac Pro copying between internal drives. (there are 4 possible on a Pro). The installers and migrators appear to be much slower than 'regular' file copy. I have a lot of files. Over a million. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
no choice and Mountain Lion is coming up the backstretch. Crap. I finally bought a new Lion.4 from the store and am now 'migrating'. Starting over on a new drive. I'll let the migration assistant run overnight. I'm staying away from giant boot drives - 500 gig 7200 rpm is a nice size. No work accomplished today. Jerry - are you going to upgrade the estate pro tools HD to 10? Or are you a Logic 9 house now? On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Jerry Jensen j...@jhj.com wrote: Arrgh! its at .4 now, which has a few issues reported on the street, but is working reliably for me so far. I didn't mess with it until .3 . I don't like it either. No choice. On May 11, 2012, at 10:46 PM, stephen barncard wrote: yes thank you Kay, actually these are the first places I looked, the usual suspects. Something deeper might be going on, including the fact that I was using a developer preview when I first installed Lion, and it never let me upgrade beyond .0 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
On 05/11/2012 10:00 PM, stephen barncard wrote: Dear list, Could I get a recommendation from some of the Mac folks on this list about a good 'Cleaner' application? The last week or so, I've gained a rather persistent 'friend' - the dreaded beach ball of death. All the time. Type a few letters in a browser (Safari or Chrome) and then a delay, then the ball for about 30 seconds. My lovely Mac pro is in hell. Yes I have a lot of apps, and yes I am running Lion. And that doesn't help either as it insists on loading every app and document I had running the last time*. * * I am probably facing a complete re-install at this point. I had other plans this day. Dreams of Snow Leopard abound. I just wanted to use the Cloud to sync calendars and address book stuff. Anyway, I'd like to try a 'cleaner' first, but I don't know anyone that's actually used one. And it's , um, a kind of a serious app type that could ruin your life if it screws up. the one that's promoted the most is Mac Keeper. I downloaded it, and executed first run, but did not tell it to do anything. I got paranoid after I read some negative about it on the web, and it took an hour to uninstall it, as it has no uninstaller that actualy works. here's the complete list of others that I've downloaded but not executed: Mac Keeper - the best UI - looks like it could work - about $35 AppCleaner.app - took an hour to do its survey and didn't warn me if it was a paid app or not, so I quit CleanMyMac.app - not tested OnyX.app - the only free one - ran it but didn't help SpeedUpMac.app -- not tested Anyone have a recommendation? Yes; but I don't suppose you will like any of them: 1. Snow Leopard (10.6), or even Leopard (10.5). 2. A Linux distro. I do get the feeling (and this may be quite wrong as my PPC macMini isn't all that informative about Mac OS 10.7) that the Mac OS has gone a bit sour. As a long-time fan of the Macintosh (well, since 1993), I do hope that Apple finds its way that it seems to have lost of late. Something has happened in the OS world of late; Mac Lion, Windows 8, Ubuntu Unity and GNOME 3 that seems to indicate that the people at the top who make the decisions may have stopped listening to their user-base quite as attentively as they did in the past. Every time I turn on my PPC macMini running Mac OS 10.4.11 I am pleasantly reminded of how really very good indeed the Mac OS was at that stage (and was slightly better at 10.5). Just as I feel when I turn on Linux boxes at my school running GNOME 2, and the VirtualBox 'thing' of Windows XP here on my Xubuntu 12.04 box. thanks in advance, sqb **(What bright pup at Apple thought that was a cool idea?I'd like to strangle that person. Yes I know there's a checkbox at shutdown, but I don't ever want that feature, and I always forget. And if I have to force-quit from a Kernel panic I get all the docs and apps reloaded that I was running hours ago. Stupid stupid stupid.)* * * ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Stephen - Logic 9. Religion, you know. .Jerry On May 11, 2012, at 11:09 PM, stephen barncard wrote: no choice and Mountain Lion is coming up the backstretch. Crap. I finally bought a new Lion.4 from the store and am now 'migrating'. Starting over on a new drive. I'll let the migration assistant run overnight. I'm staying away from giant boot drives - 500 gig 7200 rpm is a nice size. No work accomplished today. Jerry - are you going to upgrade the estate pro tools HD to 10? Or are you a Logic 9 house now? On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Jerry Jensen j...@jhj.com wrote: Arrgh! its at .4 now, which has a few issues reported on the street, but is working reliably for me so far. I didn't mess with it until .3 . I don't like it either. No choice. On May 11, 2012, at 10:46 PM, stephen barncard wrote: yes thank you Kay, actually these are the first places I looked, the usual suspects. Something deeper might be going on, including the fact that I was using a developer preview when I first installed Lion, and it never let me upgrade beyond .0 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
wise. No worries about PT HD 10 then. I imagine a lot of people have jumped ship. $1000 is insulting for an upgrade - its purpose being mainly to force one to buy the new hardware. Perhaps unwise in this era of diminishing returns. It's a bummer for me because I just spent a wad on a new Accel card last year. Perhaps I should have coaxed that G5 system to go another year. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Jerry Jensen j...@jhj.com wrote: Stephen - Logic 9. Religion, you know. .Jerry On May 11, 2012, at 11:09 PM, stephen barncard wrote: no choice and Mountain Lion is coming up the backstretch. Crap. I finally bought a new Lion.4 from the store and am now 'migrating'. Starting over on a new drive. I'll let the migration assistant run overnight. I'm staying away from giant boot drives - 500 gig 7200 rpm is a nice size. No work accomplished today. Jerry - are you going to upgrade the estate pro tools HD to 10? Or are you a Logic 9 house now? On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Jerry Jensen j...@jhj.com wrote: Arrgh! its at .4 now, which has a few issues reported on the street, but is working reliably for me so far. I didn't mess with it until .3 . I don't like it either. No choice. On May 11, 2012, at 10:46 PM, stephen barncard wrote: yes thank you Kay, actually these are the first places I looked, the usual suspects. Something deeper might be going on, including the fact that I was using a developer preview when I first installed Lion, and it never let me upgrade beyond .0 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Don't have my macs anymore and no opportunity to use lion, but just on the off-chance.. Your drives aren't approaching full are they? If so that might be part of the issue. If not then nothing to see here move along. Mike ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Sounds like somebody did! I'm still on Snow Leopard but I really think I need I need to update to Lion so I can enjoy having Apple force me into the way they want me to work instead of how I want to work. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Don't get me started. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
as far as cleaners are concerned I use CleanMyMac http://macpaw.com/ that I haven't used much but seems to work OK. Actively maintained. It searches for all kind of related files to delete when you put an app to the trash. There is also MacCleanse (I have it but never used it) http://www.koingosw.com/products/maccleanse.php It says it uninstalls apps. HTH François Disclaimer: I am still under snow leopard. Le 11 mai 2012 à 21:00, stephen barncard a écrit : Dear list, Could I get a recommendation from some of the Mac folks on this list about a good 'Cleaner' application? The last week or so, I've gained a rather persistent 'friend' - the dreaded beach ball of death. All the time. Type a few letters in a browser (Safari or Chrome) and then a delay, then the ball for about 30 seconds. My lovely Mac pro is in hell. Yes I have a lot of apps, and yes I am running Lion. And that doesn't help either as it insists on loading every app and document I had running the last time*. * * I am probably facing a complete re-install at this point. I had other plans this day. Dreams of Snow Leopard abound. I just wanted to use the Cloud to sync calendars and address book stuff. Anyway, I'd like to try a 'cleaner' first, but I don't know anyone that's actually used one. And it's , um, a kind of a serious app type that could ruin your life if it screws up. the one that's promoted the most is Mac Keeper. I downloaded it, and executed first run, but did not tell it to do anything. I got paranoid after I read some negative about it on the web, and it took an hour to uninstall it, as it has no uninstaller that actualy works. here's the complete list of others that I've downloaded but not executed: Mac Keeper - the best UI - looks like it could work - about $35 AppCleaner.app - took an hour to do its survey and didn't warn me if it was a paid app or not, so I quit CleanMyMac.app - not tested OnyX.app - the only free one - ran it but didn't help SpeedUpMac.app -- not tested Anyone have a recommendation? thanks in advance, sqb **(What bright pup at Apple thought that was a cool idea?I'd like to strangle that person. Yes I know there's a checkbox at shutdown, but I don't ever want that feature, and I always forget. And if I have to force-quit from a Kernel panic I get all the docs and apps reloaded that I was running hours ago. Stupid stupid stupid.)* * * -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
thanks Ken. Internal drives don't have lights these days. Wish they did - it would save time to know when something clearly isn't happening. The powers that be decided that wasn't needed anymore. The tip at your link looks promising, as I'd rather manage my own 6 gigs of memory and will happily rather crash rather than put up with this virtual memory crap. Mike - I've got about 187 gigs of disk space so it's not that. Jacque - if it were a laptop I'd probably leave it on all the time too, but on a Mac Pro I worry about power consumption. After Enron, us Californians pay a lot for power. Also with Pro Tools HD and a lot of peripherals, it usually requires a reboot anyway if the other stuff is turned off. If you saw my rig you'd understand what I mean. François - maybe I'll let CleanMyMac do its thing. But there is no real trial - one can let it run, but without an auth I doubt it would actually complete the task without registering and starting over. Keith - thanks for the link to IceClean - never saw that one before so nobody here has run Mac Keeper? thanks to all for your responses On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Ken Corey k...@kencorey.com wrote: On 11/05/2012 20:00, stephen barncard wrote: Could I get a recommendation from some of the Mac folks on this list about a good 'Cleaner' application? Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
On 5/11/12 2:55 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: Lion seems to have more need of regular disk permissions clean-ups than SL and it gets very flakey, very quickly with limited disk space - as in15% of a 500Gb drive! I was just reading about that. The loss of disk space happens only on laptop Macs, not on desktop, and is due to local snapshots taken by Time Machine when your backup external drive isn't connected. There's a terminal command to turn it off, and there's some other way to erase the snapshots but I've lost that link now. But here's how to turn it off: http://www.macpoint.be/lions-local-backup-devours-disk-space/ If Stephen is on a MacBook maybe low disk space is what's causing the memory-swap beachball. I do not like Lion at all, but we're forced into it if we want to continue as Mac developers. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Le 11 mai 2012 à 22:00, stephen barncard a écrit : thanks Ken. Internal drives don't have lights these days. Wish they did - it would save time to know when something clearly isn't happening. The powers that be decided that wasn't needed anymore. The tip at your link looks promising, as I'd rather manage my own 6 gigs of memory and will happily rather crash rather than put up with this virtual memory crap. Now that you mention your 6 gigs, I remember that my MBP was painfully slw under *snow leopard* when equipped with only 4 gigs. I upgraded to 8 gigs, put some background gadgets out of activity, and everything is OK now. In any case I think that some extra memory is always a good investment. Cheers François ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Not just as developers, but if you want to continue using sync features and things you enjoyed with DotMac, you are forced to upgrade too! Apple really screwed this one up. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 1:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I do not like Lion at all, but we're forced into it if we want to continue as Mac developers. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
I believe the rule of thumb is you need at least as much free disk space as you have memory, plus anything the OS or software needs for caching. I have a policy here where if a drive goes below 10 gigs, my Spiceworks inventory begins to throw alarms. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 1:14 PM, François Chaplais wrote: Le 11 mai 2012 à 22:00, stephen barncard a écrit : thanks Ken. Internal drives don't have lights these days. Wish they did - it would save time to know when something clearly isn't happening. The powers that be decided that wasn't needed anymore. The tip at your link looks promising, as I'd rather manage my own 6 gigs of memory and will happily rather crash rather than put up with this virtual memory crap. Now that you mention your 6 gigs, I remember that my MBP was painfully slw under *snow leopard* when equipped with only 4 gigs. I upgraded to 8 gigs, put some background gadgets out of activity, and everything is OK now. In any case I think that some extra memory is always a good investment. Cheers François ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
This probably has nothing to do with anything you've mentioned, but during a recent Let's figure out what Apple changed and turn it off session I recently went though, we found that file locking is enabled via Time Machine settings, and disabling the setting there supposedly prevents files from being auto-locked in the Finder (and thus unable to be overwritten). Just throwing it out there... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: On 5/11/12 2:00 PM, stephen barncard wrote: My lovely Mac pro is in hell. Yes I have a lot of apps, and yes I am running Lion. And that doesn't help either as it insists on loading every app and document I had running the last time*. System prefs - General - Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps [turn this off] I never turn off my Mac so I'm not sure if that also works on a restart but if you haven't unchecked it, it's worth trying. Or just leave your Mac on all the time, it's meant to be used that way. I only restart after a system update. What I hate even more than that, and for which there is NO solution, is the auto-save that wrecks whatever I'm working on as soon as I make any temporary change. Whoever made *that* decision is the one I'd like to track down and torture. There isn't even a Terminal command to get rid of it. I don't want every single tentative edit to be saved, I want to decide what's temporary and what should be overwritten. I lost work yesterday because of this stupid, idiotic behavior and had to go digging through the Star Wars interface to get back the original, which was difficult because they ALL LOOK ALIKE if the document is more than one page long. Don't get me started. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
thanks Scott. I'll do that, UPDATE I'm really not happy to completely reinstall here, I don't think that will fix things permanently. I gave a call to my favorite RAM company RAMJET, and their memory expert told me that the Mac Pro on Lion REALLY needs more than the 6 stock gigs installed (!) and suggested I get a 3-stick upgrade of 4 gb modules to get up to 15 gigs, so I ordered them and we'll see how that works out. I will never fully understand memory math and why these have to work in threes - (is it the 64 bits?) -- currently there are 6 1 gig sticks, with two open slots. I will lose one of the 1 gig sticks, so the total goes to 15g. William Gibson had no idea about how astronomical ram size would go. None of us did. I will report back On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: This probably has nothing to do with anything you've mentioned, but during a recent Let's figure out what Apple changed and turn it off session I recently went though, we found that file locking is enabled via Time Machine settings, and disabling the setting there supposedly prevents files from being auto-locked in the Finder (and thus unable to be overwritten). Just throwing it out there... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: On 5/11/12 2:00 PM, stephen barncard wrote: My lovely Mac pro is in hell. Yes I have a lot of apps, and yes I am running Lion. And that doesn't help either as it insists on loading every app and document I had running the last time*. System prefs - General - Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps [turn this off] I never turn off my Mac so I'm not sure if that also works on a restart but if you haven't unchecked it, it's worth trying. Or just leave your Mac on all the time, it's meant to be used that way. I only restart after a system update. What I hate even more than that, and for which there is NO solution, is the auto-save that wrecks whatever I'm working on as soon as I make any temporary change. Whoever made *that* decision is the one I'd like to track down and torture. There isn't even a Terminal command to get rid of it. I don't want every single tentative edit to be saved, I want to decide what's temporary and what should be overwritten. I lost work yesterday because of this stupid, idiotic behavior and had to go digging through the Star Wars interface to get back the original, which was difficult because they ALL LOOK ALIKE if the document is more than one page long. Don't get me started. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Uhhh - that sounds fishy. I run a stable of Lion-based (and a couple of ML-based tester) Mac Pro's with 4GB each and they run everything that I throw at them, so your memory expert sounds like he's trying to sell you more RAM (and that IS his job...). The only systems that I've bumped to 8GB and 16GB are a pair of VMWare test platforms and our video editing monster (8 procs, 16GB). I really suspect that throwing more RAM at this isn't going to be your answer. Tim On May 11, 2012, at 2:12 PM, stephen barncard wrote: thanks Scott. I'll do that, UPDATE I'm really not happy to completely reinstall here, I don't think that will fix things permanently. I gave a call to my favorite RAM company RAMJET, and their memory expert told me that the Mac Pro on Lion REALLY needs more than the 6 stock gigs installed (!) and suggested I get a 3-stick upgrade of 4 gb modules to get up to 15 gigs, so I ordered them and we'll see how that works out. I will never fully understand memory math and why these have to work in threes - (is it the 64 bits?) -- currently there are 6 1 gig sticks, with two open slots. I will lose one of the 1 gig sticks, so the total goes to 15g. William Gibson had no idea about how astronomical ram size would go. None of us did. I will report back ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Well that is just patently preposterous. Unless you are running apps that themselves require it, or what you do has so many apps open simultaneously that it uses up all of the 6 gigs you have, then there is no reason to upgrade. Apple themselves say Lion only requires 2 gigs. If your RAM guy is saying Lion requires 8 gigs to run properly, he is telling you stories. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 2:12 PM, stephen barncard wrote: thanks Scott. I'll do that, UPDATE I'm really not happy to completely reinstall here, I don't think that will fix things permanently. I gave a call to my favorite RAM company RAMJET, and their memory expert told me that the Mac Pro on Lion REALLY needs more than the 6 stock gigs installed (!) and suggested I get a 3-stick upgrade of 4 gb modules to get up to 15 gigs, so I ordered them and we'll see how that works out. I will never fully understand memory math and why these have to work in threes - (is it the 64 bits?) -- currently there are 6 1 gig sticks, with two open slots. I will lose one of the 1 gig sticks, so the total goes to 15g. William Gibson had no idea about how astronomical ram size would go. None of us did. I will report back On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: This probably has nothing to do with anything you've mentioned, but during a recent Let's figure out what Apple changed and turn it off session I recently went though, we found that file locking is enabled via Time Machine settings, and disabling the setting there supposedly prevents files from being auto-locked in the Finder (and thus unable to be overwritten). Just throwing it out there... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: On 5/11/12 2:00 PM, stephen barncard wrote: My lovely Mac pro is in hell. Yes I have a lot of apps, and yes I am running Lion. And that doesn't help either as it insists on loading every app and document I had running the last time*. System prefs - General - Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps [turn this off] I never turn off my Mac so I'm not sure if that also works on a restart but if you haven't unchecked it, it's worth trying. Or just leave your Mac on all the time, it's meant to be used that way. I only restart after a system update. What I hate even more than that, and for which there is NO solution, is the auto-save that wrecks whatever I'm working on as soon as I make any temporary change. Whoever made *that* decision is the one I'd like to track down and torture. There isn't even a Terminal command to get rid of it. I don't want every single tentative edit to be saved, I want to decide what's temporary and what should be overwritten. I lost work yesterday because of this stupid, idiotic behavior and had to go digging through the Star Wars interface to get back the original, which was difficult because they ALL LOOK ALIKE if the document is more than one page long. Don't get me started. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
I think it's gonna be dependant on what apps you are running. Stephen mentioned he's running Pro Tools HD and that uses a LOT of RAM. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Jones tolis...@me.com wrote: Uhhh - that sounds fishy. I run a stable of Lion-based (and a couple of ML-based tester) Mac Pro's with 4GB each and they run everything that I throw at them, so your memory expert sounds like he's trying to sell you more RAM (and that IS his job...). The only systems that I've bumped to 8GB and 16GB are a pair of VMWare test platforms and our video editing monster (8 procs, 16GB). I really suspect that throwing more RAM at this isn't going to be your answer. Tim On May 11, 2012, at 2:12 PM, stephen barncard wrote: thanks Scott. I'll do that, UPDATE I'm really not happy to completely reinstall here, I don't think that will fix things permanently. I gave a call to my favorite RAM company RAMJET, and their memory expert told me that the Mac Pro on Lion REALLY needs more than the 6 stock gigs installed (!) and suggested I get a 3-stick upgrade of 4 gb modules to get up to 15 gigs, so I ordered them and we'll see how that works out. I will never fully understand memory math and why these have to work in threes - (is it the 64 bits?) -- currently there are 6 1 gig sticks, with two open slots. I will lose one of the 1 gig sticks, so the total goes to 15g. William Gibson had no idea about how astronomical ram size would go. None of us did. I will report back ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
too late. I took the red pill. I know it's his job to sell ram, but he had good advice, imho. Hey, it didn't cost that much, and if it helps PT HD and Final Cut 7, I'm really ok with that. The big question is - this machine was running far better when I installed Lion a few months ago than now. Software that changes. In the olden OS9 days, '*defragmenting*' the drive usually helped a lot but I don't see anything recommending that with OSX. Surely that still happens as files are created and destroyed. sqb On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I think it's gonna be dependant on what apps you are running. Stephen mentioned he's running Pro Tools HD and that uses a LOT of RAM. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Jones tolis...@me.com wrote: Uhhh - that sounds fishy. I run a stable of Lion-based (and a couple of ML-based tester) Mac Pro's with 4GB each and they run everything that I throw at them, so your memory expert sounds like he's trying to sell you more RAM (and that IS his job...). The only systems that I've bumped to 8GB and 16GB are a pair of VMWare test platforms and our video editing monster (8 procs, 16GB). I really suspect that throwing more RAM at this isn't going to be your answer. Tim On May 11, 2012, at 2:12 PM, stephen barncard wrote: thanks Scott. I'll do that, UPDATE I'm really not happy to completely reinstall here, I don't think that will fix things permanently. I gave a call to my favorite RAM company RAMJET, and their memory expert told me that the Mac Pro on Lion REALLY needs more than the 6 stock gigs installed (!) and suggested I get a 3-stick upgrade of 4 gb modules to get up to 15 gigs, so I ordered them and we'll see how that works out. I will never fully understand memory math and why these have to work in threes - (is it the 64 bits?) -- currently there are 6 1 gig sticks, with two open slots. I will lose one of the 1 gig sticks, so the total goes to 15g. William Gibson had no idea about how astronomical ram size would go. None of us did. I will report back ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
You mention running Final Cut 7. Not to tell you your business, but you should use a scratch disk and data disk that is not the boot OS drive. Just a thot. The extra RAM for FC is probably a good idea. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 3:10 PM, stephen barncard wrote: too late. I took the red pill. I know it's his job to sell ram, but he had good advice, imho. Hey, it didn't cost that much, and if it helps PT HD and Final Cut 7, I'm really ok with that. The big question is - this machine was running far better when I installed Lion a few months ago than now. Software that changes. In the olden OS9 days, '*defragmenting*' the drive usually helped a lot but I don't see anything recommending that with OSX. Surely that still happens as files are created and destroyed. sqb On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I think it's gonna be dependant on what apps you are running. Stephen mentioned he's running Pro Tools HD and that uses a LOT of RAM. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Jones tolis...@me.com wrote: Uhhh - that sounds fishy. I run a stable of Lion-based (and a couple of ML-based tester) Mac Pro's with 4GB each and they run everything that I throw at them, so your memory expert sounds like he's trying to sell you more RAM (and that IS his job...). The only systems that I've bumped to 8GB and 16GB are a pair of VMWare test platforms and our video editing monster (8 procs, 16GB). I really suspect that throwing more RAM at this isn't going to be your answer. Tim On May 11, 2012, at 2:12 PM, stephen barncard wrote: thanks Scott. I'll do that, UPDATE I'm really not happy to completely reinstall here, I don't think that will fix things permanently. I gave a call to my favorite RAM company RAMJET, and their memory expert told me that the Mac Pro on Lion REALLY needs more than the 6 stock gigs installed (!) and suggested I get a 3-stick upgrade of 4 gb modules to get up to 15 gigs, so I ordered them and we'll see how that works out. I will never fully understand memory math and why these have to work in threes - (is it the 64 bits?) -- currently there are 6 1 gig sticks, with two open slots. I will lose one of the 1 gig sticks, so the total goes to 15g. William Gibson had no idea about how astronomical ram size would go. None of us did. I will report back ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
I always have separated data and media from 'business logic'. For many years. I use a bank of firewire externals, 3 of those Newer Technologies fire 800 'toasters' and a NITRO AV firewire 800 8 port hub. But my problems haven't been with Final Cut or PT HD, it's been simple text stuff like Safari and Chrome on gmail and Facebook, which had always been no problem on this aluminum melting monster. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: You mention running Final Cut 7. Not to tell you your business, but you should use a scratch disk and data disk that is not the boot OS drive. Just a thot. The extra RAM for FC is probably a good idea. Bob On May 11, 2012, at 3:10 PM, stephen barncard wrote: too late. I took the red pill. I know it's his job to sell ram, but he had good advice, imho. Hey, it didn't cost that much, and if it helps PT HD and Final Cut 7, I'm really ok with that. The big question is - this machine was running far better when I installed Lion a few months ago than now. Software that changes. In the olden OS9 days, '*defragmenting*' the drive usually helped a lot but I don't see anything recommending that with OSX. Surely that still happens as files are created and destroyed. sqb On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I think it's gonna be dependant on what apps you are running. Stephen mentioned he's running Pro Tools HD and that uses a LOT of RAM. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Tim Jones tolis...@me.com wrote: Uhhh - that sounds fishy. I run a stable of Lion-based (and a couple of ML-based tester) Mac Pro's with 4GB each and they run everything that I throw at them, so your memory expert sounds like he's trying to sell you more RAM (and that IS his job...). The only systems that I've bumped to 8GB and 16GB are a pair of VMWare test platforms and our video editing monster (8 procs, 16GB). I really suspect that throwing more RAM at this isn't going to be your answer. Tim On May 11, 2012, at 2:12 PM, stephen barncard wrote: thanks Scott. I'll do that, UPDATE I'm really not happy to completely reinstall here, I don't think that will fix things permanently. I gave a call to my favorite RAM company RAMJET, and their memory expert told me that the Mac Pro on Lion REALLY needs more than the 6 stock gigs installed (!) and suggested I get a 3-stick upgrade of 4 gb modules to get up to 15 gigs, so I ordered them and we'll see how that works out. I will never fully understand memory math and why these have to work in threes - (is it the 64 bits?) -- currently there are 6 1 gig sticks, with two open slots. I will lose one of the 1 gig sticks, so the total goes to 15g. William Gibson had no idea about how astronomical ram size would go. None of us did. I will report back ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
I'll throw my 2 cents into the Ring. When I have this happen I always start up Activity Monitor and check out the readings: Network - I generally turn off all the Auto Download Update features but occasionally one slips through, like iTunes gets the latest HD Epsiode of 'Modern Family' to download. iTunes is set to open simultaneous connections so it can max out my broadband connection and slow other net related activities on my computer. Disk Usage - you've already said you've got plenty, so this base covered. But what about your backup Drive. I have Carbon Copy Cloner set to trash Archives whenever the HD gets to 15%. Still, if there are several HD Episodes to backup PLUS I'm working on several GB of iMove files at the same time, they can takeup nearly all that space, and will slow everything right down. Only when the backup is complete, or before the next one starts does CCC Trash the oldest archive. Disk Activity - Backup/Archive* activities can max out disk read and writes and slow down other apps trying to use the disk. System Memory - Is anything hogging it and is it expected.** CPU - is there anything hogging the CPU and is it expected.** *I find CCC a Must Have utility, but it also significantly slows down my system and I can get the beachball making numerous appearances especially if TimeMachine comes on at the same time - and they both have 2GB HD episodes to save. ** Anything that is hogging CPU and/or Memory and you think it's strange, Quit it. Also I run multiple external HDs connected to my computer and have 'Put HDs to Sleep when possible' ticked in the Energy Saver Preference. This means anytime I Save, or Save As... (I've only migrated my wife to Lion) I get the beachball as I have to wait for all the External HDs to spin up. Anytime it's Archive time things slow down as they all spin up. I don't know how Lion operates with it's Auto Save (Versions) function and the energy saver preference, but there could be constant spinning up and down of external HDs. I use Onxy and find it very useful. I use Drive Genius and DO defragment my HDs and believe it makes a small difference. But most of all I do find that any time things slow down noticeably, Activity Monitor points to the culprit. HTH ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Actually missed a big one off the list. Spotlight - which would show up as mdworker in Activity Monitor. If you've added a 'new' HD, internal or external and haven't set Spotlight to ignore it then Spotlight may take forever to process it and you will definitely end up with the beachball. New in this case would mean something like moving your 1.75TB of backups to a new 3TB drive. Spotlight will spend forever doing it's thing to the 1.75TB already on the drive. I always add Backup/Archive HDs to Spotlight's Privacy list - but many times I forget with upgrades and it isn't until I'm left with an unresponsive system that I crack open AM and find the culprit. Also, what Sharing services have you set up. Is it possible someone is accessing iTunes, iPhoto or large files - you turned it on and forgot to turn it off? What about iCloud, are you snap happy and is iPhoto constantly updating your last 1000 photos to iCloud? Again, AM should help you pin point it. HTH ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
yes thank you Kay, actually these are the first places I looked, the usual suspects. Something deeper might be going on, including the fact that I was using a developer preview when I first installed Lion, and it never let me upgrade beyond .0 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Actually missed a big one off the list. Spotlight - which would show up as mdworker in Activity Monitor. If you've added a 'new' HD, internal or external and haven't set Spotlight to ignore it then Spotlight may take forever to process it and you will definitely end up with the beachball. New in this case would mean something like moving your 1.75TB of backups to a new 3TB drive. Spotlight will spend forever doing it's thing to the 1.75TB already on the drive. I always add Backup/Archive HDs to Spotlight's Privacy list - but many times I forget with upgrades and it isn't until I'm left with an unresponsive system that I crack open AM and find the culprit. Also, what Sharing services have you set up. Is it possible someone is accessing iTunes, iPhoto or large files - you turned it on and forgot to turn it off? What about iCloud, are you snap happy and is iPhoto constantly updating your last 1000 photos to iCloud? Again, AM should help you pin point it. HTH ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Mac Beach Ball Party (or welcome to hell, here's your mac)
Arrgh! its at .4 now, which has a few issues reported on the street, but is working reliably for me so far. I didn't mess with it until .3 . I don't like it either. No choice. On May 11, 2012, at 10:46 PM, stephen barncard wrote: yes thank you Kay, actually these are the first places I looked, the usual suspects. Something deeper might be going on, including the fact that I was using a developer preview when I first installed Lion, and it never let me upgrade beyond .0 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
