Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (JavaScript)?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I think he mentioned a different site. I could be mistaken.

Bob S


On Feb 7, 2017, at 22:31 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
> wrote:

Are you serving this content yourself from your web server? If so there are 
"cb" (cache busting) methods already well worked out.

e.g.

logo.jpg  # on disk
logo-cb123455678.jpg  # in the html code

and mod-rewrite handles the translation back to the original image. So you can 
update "logo.jpg" without changing it's name, but your content assembly system 
appends the cache busting string to the outgoing html… (Ralf does this in 
RevIgniter)

BR

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (JavaScript)?

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Are you serving this content yourself from your web server? If so there are 
"cb" (cache busting) methods already well worked out.

e.g. 

logo.jpg  # on disk
logo-cb123455678.jpg  # in the html code

and mod-rewrite handles the translation back to the original image. So you can 
update "logo.jpg" without changing it's name, but your content assembly system 
appends the cache busting string to the outgoing html… (Ralf does this in 
RevIgniter)

BR
 

On 2/6/17, 7:07 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

To refresh a browser cache I put an argument on the URL that is different
from the last request and the cache will be invalidated. In LC I put
"=12345678" at the end of the URL arguments or if there are no
arguments then I put "?seconds=12345678" where "12345678" is the LC "the
seconds". This only helps if there is no more than 1 request per second. 

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

>From Stack Overflow:

"There's no guaranteed way to force the user to clear the DNS cache, and it is 
often done by their ISP on top of their OS. It shouldn't take more than 24 
hours for the updated DNS to propagate. Your best option is to make the 
transition seamless to the user by using something like mod_proxy with Apache 
to create a reverse proxy to your new server. That would cause all queries to 
the old server to still return the proper results and after a few days you 
would be free to remove the reverse proxy."

Another way is to simple create a redirect on the old page.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 09:22 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> wrote:

I had the DNS caching problem in one project. We had to resort to the "?" 
trick. Without it, different computers or browsers would all load the older 
file, which usually didn't update for 24 hours.

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I had the DNS caching problem in one project. We had to resort to the "?" 
trick. Without it, different computers or browsers would all load the older 
file, which usually didn't update for 24 hours.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On February 6, 2017 10:47:43 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Right. But that is the browser cache. If you are talking about a url 
resolving to a different site, that is a function of DNS, which is totally 
separate from the browser cache the browser maintains. I do not think the 
browser is capable of bypassing DNS caching.


But maybe I misunderstand the problem.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 08:39 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
> wrote:


In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache

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RE: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (JavaScript)?

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

To refresh a browser cache I put an argument on the URL that is different
from the last request and the cache will be invalidated. In LC I put
"=12345678" at the end of the URL arguments or if there are no
arguments then I put "?seconds=12345678" where "12345678" is the LC "the
seconds". This only helps if there is no more than 1 request per second. I
there are more that "the milliseconds" would be more appropriate.

The local DNS cache can be refreshed on Windows by "ipconfig /flushdns". I'm
sure that this is function is available on other platforms. Then you are
getting the next level of DNS that you might/might not have access to. If
the next level is your router you can reset that DNS cache, but after that
you have to wait for it to propagate. The TTL of the DNS entry gives an
maximum time this will take. I practice I have found that this happens much
quicker. I use DynDns for IPs that change regularly and that seems to happen
very quickly.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services


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Subject: Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

Right. But that is the browser cache. If you are talking about a url
resolving to a different site, that is a function of DNS, which is totally
separate from the browser cache the browser maintains. I do not think the
browser is capable of bypassing DNS caching.

But maybe I misunderstand the problem.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 08:39 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode
<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

I see where you're going with that, and yeah I believe the mutating url
would get around a dns cache.  Cool!(you can also do it with #134143..
I believe.  There were posts re: this in the forum way back.)

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Right. But that is the browser cache. If you are talking about a url
> resolving to a different site, that is a function of DNS, which is totally
> separate from the browser cache the browser maintains. I do not think the
> browser is capable of bypassing DNS caching.
>
> But maybe I misunderstand the problem.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 08:39 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
> to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
> here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache
>
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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Right. But that is the browser cache. If you are talking about a url resolving 
to a different site, that is a function of DNS, which is totally separate from 
the browser cache the browser maintains. I do not think the browser is capable 
of bypassing DNS caching.

But maybe I misunderstand the problem.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2017, at 08:39 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
> wrote:

In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

In an actual browser (at least as far as I know) one doesn't have to resort
to tricks.  Like in chrome, ctrl-f5 bipasses cache and reloads.  More info
here.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Old site? This may be DNS caching not browser caching. Clear the cache on
> your computer, and if possible, if you have a local DNS server, clear that
> cache as well.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:16 , JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > Did not seem to make a difference with the “?” added to the end. It is
> still going to the old site.
> >
> > I have attached an example stack. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.
> com/u/6767916/Pano%20JavaScript%20Tester.livecode.zip
> >
> > The “cow” hotspot should launch the NASA site instead of the cow site.
> (I’m guessing it will work for you the first time though. I would have to
> change the url in the javascript after you were to try it once, and then
> see if the hotspot goes to the new url.)
> >
> > The cow hotspot should be going to the nasa.gov site.
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > John Patten
> > SUSD
> >> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:53 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> John:
> >> Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> How do you get the browser widget to dump any cached web content?
> >>>
> >>> I have an html5 panoramic running in a browser widget. I change the
> javascript code associated to a hotspot to point to a different url, but
> the hotspot link continues to point to the old URL.
> >>>
> >>> If I launch the panorama in a browser (Chrome,) the hotspot points to
> the changed url.
> >>>
> >>> Why after loading the panorama in the browser widget does the hotspot
> continue to point to the old url?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you!
> >>>
> >>> John Patten
> >>> SUSD
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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Old site? This may be DNS caching not browser caching. Clear the cache on your 
computer, and if possible, if you have a local DNS server, clear that cache as 
well. 

Bob S


> On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:16 , JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Did not seem to make a difference with the “?” added to the end. It is still 
> going to the old site.
> 
> I have attached an example stack. 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6767916/Pano%20JavaScript%20Tester.livecode.zip
> 
> The “cow” hotspot should launch the NASA site instead of the cow site.  (I’m 
> guessing it will work for you the first time though. I would have to change 
> the url in the javascript after you were to try it once, and then see if the 
> hotspot goes to the new url.)
> 
> The cow hotspot should be going to the nasa.gov site.
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> John Patten
> SUSD
>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:53 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> John:
>> Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> How do you get the browser widget to dump any cached web content?
>>> 
>>> I have an html5 panoramic running in a browser widget. I change the 
>>> javascript code associated to a hotspot to point to a different url, but 
>>> the hotspot link continues to point to the old URL. 
>>> 
>>> If I launch the panorama in a browser (Chrome,) the hotspot points to the 
>>> changed url.  
>>> 
>>> Why after loading the panorama in the browser widget does the hotspot 
>>> continue to point to the old url?
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> 
>>> John Patten
>>> SUSD
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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

In ANY browser?? I did not know that!!

Bob S


On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:53 , William Prothero via use-livecode 
> wrote:

John:
Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
Bill

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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

if just tacking on a ? at the end doesn't work, do this instead.  Tack on
the ?dummyvar=1234125 where 1234125 is "the seconds."  That way its always
a unique url and should do a fresh load.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
 wrote:

> John: Ditto what Bill said…that, keep us all posted! Possibly get a thread
> going on the multi-media are of the forums?
>
>  William Prothero:
>
> John, this is a very cool project. I hope you get it working. I’d love
> to be able to use your VR framework. One of my colleagues created a VR
> exploration of the East Pacific Rise, with lots of videos, etc. It stopped
> working when Quicktime VR went away. It was written in Director, ages ago.
> But, it was a very cool app and would be really wonderful to be able to
> resurrect it in livecode.
>
>
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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

John: Ditto what Bill said…that, keep us all posted! Possibly get a thread 
going on the multi-media are of the forums?

 William Prothero:

John, this is a very cool project. I hope you get it working. I’d love to 
be able to use your VR framework. One of my colleagues created a VR exploration 
of the East Pacific Rise, with lots of videos, etc. It stopped working when 
Quicktime VR went away. It was written in Director, ages ago. But, it was a 
very cool app and would be really wonderful to be able to resurrect it in 
livecode.



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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

On the park Pano, I clicked the Fox and got to the “The Fox Project”, clicked 
the cow and got to the NASA site several times. If I click on the chicken, I 
get the “Damn” message and after that, every time I click on the pano, I get 
the “Damn” message. If I reload the pano, I don’t get it. It seems to go to the 
right place. I’m on OSX 10.11.6 Livecode 9.0.0(dp4)

John, this is a very cool project. I hope you get it working. I’d love to be 
able to use your VR framework. One of my colleagues created a VR exploration of 
the East Pacific Rise, with lots of videos, etc. It stopped working when 
Quicktime VR went away. It was written in Director, ages ago. But, it was a 
very cool app and would be really wonderful to be able to resurrect it in 
livecode.

Best,
Bill

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:16 PM, JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Did not seem to make a difference with the “?” added to the end. It is still 
> going to the old site.
> 
> I have attached an example stack. 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6767916/Pano%20JavaScript%20Tester.livecode.zip
> 
> The “cow” hotspot should launch the NASA site instead of the cow site.  (I’m 
> guessing it will work for you the first time though. I would have to change 
> the url in the javascript after you were to try it once, and then see if the 
> hotspot goes to the new url.)
> 
> The cow hotspot should be going to the nasa.gov site.
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> John Patten
> SUSD
>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:53 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> John:
>> Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> How do you get the browser widget to dump any cached web content?
>>> 
>>> I have an html5 panoramic running in a browser widget. I change the 
>>> javascript code associated to a hotspot to point to a different url, but 
>>> the hotspot link continues to point to the old URL. 
>>> 
>>> If I launch the panorama in a browser (Chrome,) the hotspot points to the 
>>> changed url.  
>>> 
>>> Why after loading the panorama in the browser widget does the hotspot 
>>> continue to point to the old url?
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> 
>>> John Patten
>>> SUSD
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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode]

Hi Bill,

Did not seem to make a difference with the “?” added to the end. It is still 
going to the old site.

I have attached an example stack. 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6767916/Pano%20JavaScript%20Tester.livecode.zip

The “cow” hotspot should launch the NASA site instead of the cow site.  (I’m 
guessing it will work for you the first time though. I would have to change the 
url in the javascript after you were to try it once, and then see if the 
hotspot goes to the new url.)

The cow hotspot should be going to the nasa.gov site.


Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD
> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:53 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> John:
> Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
> Bill
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> How do you get the browser widget to dump any cached web content?
>> 
>> I have an html5 panoramic running in a browser widget. I change the 
>> javascript code associated to a hotspot to point to a different url, but the 
>> hotspot link continues to point to the old URL. 
>> 
>> If I launch the panorama in a browser (Chrome,) the hotspot points to the 
>> changed url.  
>> 
>> Why after loading the panorama in the browser widget does the hotspot 
>> continue to point to the old url?
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> John Patten
>> SUSD
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Re: Browser Widget Appears to be caching data (javascript)?

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

John:
Try adding “?” to the URL. This should force reload.
Bill

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> How do you get the browser widget to dump any cached web content?
> 
> I have an html5 panoramic running in a browser widget. I change the 
> javascript code associated to a hotspot to point to a different url, but the 
> hotspot link continues to point to the old URL. 
> 
> If I launch the panorama in a browser (Chrome,) the hotspot points to the 
> changed url.  
> 
> Why after loading the panorama in the browser widget does the hotspot 
> continue to point to the old url?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> John Patten
> SUSD
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