Re: Definite Bug

[J. Landman Gay]

The checkmark isn't updated correctly (there's a bug report about it) but I 
believe the actual sort order is retained.


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On May 26, 2016 10:01:28 AM Bob Sneidar  wrote:

Hi Jacque. Unfortunately for me, the settings do not seem to stick, 
although I did create a new stack without my usual project open, and it 
stuck there. I checked my front and back scripts and there doesn't seem to 
be anything that would cause that to happen.


Bob S


On May 25, 2016, at 15:29 , William Prothero 
> wrote:


There is a settings button at the top right of the PB window. It allows you 
to sort by name or number, ascending or descending, for stacks, cards, and 
objects.


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Re: Definite Bug

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Bob
I assumed that since the group disappeared from the card that it was deleted. 
Perhaps it was put in an invisible group. I'll have to check. 
Best
Bill

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> On May 26, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> This was happening to me. I determined that the group is getting put in 
> another group. It doesn't actually disappear. If you use the App Browser you 
> can finf it pretty easily.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2016, at 24:12 , Ali Lloyd 
> > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that hint. However, I have an application with several groups
> on a card and (not always) the group I am moving disappears from the
> project browser, and the card, and appears to have been deleted.
> 
> This behavior is why I currently can’t use V8 for some of my work.
> Best,
> Bill
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Re: Definite Bug

[Bob Sneidar]

This was happening to me. I determined that the group is getting put in another 
group. It doesn't actually disappear. If you use the App Browser you can finf 
it pretty easily.

Bob S


On May 26, 2016, at 24:12 , Ali Lloyd 
> wrote:

Thanks for that hint. However, I have an application with several groups
on a card and (not always) the group I am moving disappears from the
project browser, and the card, and appears to have been deleted.

This behavior is why I currently can’t use V8 for some of my work.
Best,
Bill

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Re: Definite Bug

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi Jacque. Unfortunately for me, the settings do not seem to stick, although I 
did create a new stack without my usual project open, and it stuck there. I 
checked my front and back scripts and there doesn't seem to be anything that 
would cause that to happen.

Bob S


On May 25, 2016, at 15:29 , William Prothero 
> wrote:

There is a settings button at the top right of the PB window. It allows you to 
sort by name or number, ascending or descending, for stacks, cards, and objects.

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Re: Definite Bug

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Ali,
Thanks! Glad it's been reported. 
Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On May 26, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Ali Lloyd  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> I've already submitted a bug report for this, should you wish to track its
> progress. http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17544
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:34 PM William Prothero 
> wrote:
> 
>> Jacqueline:
>> Thanks for that hint. However, I have an application with several groups
>> on a card and (not always) the group I am moving disappears from the
>> project browser, and the card, and appears to have been deleted.
>> 
>> This behavior is why I currently can’t use V8 for some of my work.
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
 On May 25, 2016, at 3:29 PM, William Prothero 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would think this would lead to enormous confusion if folks are trying
>> to drag objects around in the project browser, if they are sorted by name,
>> rather than layer number. In my case, the only reason I would drag an
>> object would be to change it’s layer.
>>> Bill
>>> 
 On May 25, 2016, at 2:56 PM, J. Landman Gay 
>> wrote:
 
> On 5/25/2016 4:43 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I see the problem. The project browser sorts by name, NOT by "number"
> or I assume that means layer. Because of this no matter how you drag
> things around in the project browser, if it's sorting objects by name
> you won't see them changing, and can in fact accidentally drag one
> group INTO another when you thought you were dragging it before or
> after.
 
 There is a settings button at the top right of the PB window. It allows
>> you to sort by name or number, ascending or descending, for stacks, cards,
>> and objects.
 
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Re: Definite Bug

[Ali Lloyd]

Hi Bill,
I've already submitted a bug report for this, should you wish to track its
progress. http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17544


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:34 PM William Prothero 
wrote:

> Jacqueline:
> Thanks for that hint. However, I have an application with several groups
> on a card and (not always) the group I am moving disappears from the
> project browser, and the card, and appears to have been deleted.
>
> This behavior is why I currently can’t use V8 for some of my work.
> Best,
> Bill
>
> > On May 25, 2016, at 3:29 PM, William Prothero 
> wrote:
> >
> > I would think this would lead to enormous confusion if folks are trying
> to drag objects around in the project browser, if they are sorted by name,
> rather than layer number. In my case, the only reason I would drag an
> object would be to change it’s layer.
> > Bill
> >
> >> On May 25, 2016, at 2:56 PM, J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 5/25/2016 4:43 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> >>> I see the problem. The project browser sorts by name, NOT by "number"
> >>> or I assume that means layer. Because of this no matter how you drag
> >>> things around in the project browser, if it's sorting objects by name
> >>> you won't see them changing, and can in fact accidentally drag one
> >>> group INTO another when you thought you were dragging it before or
> >>> after.
> >>
> >> There is a settings button at the top right of the PB window. It allows
> you to sort by name or number, ascending or descending, for stacks, cards,
> and objects.
> >>
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Re: Definite Bug

[William Prothero]

Jacqueline:
Thanks for that hint. However, I have an application with several groups on a 
card and (not always) the group I am moving disappears from the project 
browser, and the card, and appears to have been deleted. 

This behavior is why I currently can’t use V8 for some of my work.
Best,
Bill

> On May 25, 2016, at 3:29 PM, William Prothero  wrote:
> 
> I would think this would lead to enormous confusion if folks are trying to 
> drag objects around in the project browser, if they are sorted by name, 
> rather than layer number. In my case, the only reason I would drag an object 
> would be to change it’s layer.
> Bill
> 
>> On May 25, 2016, at 2:56 PM, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
>> 
>> On 5/25/2016 4:43 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> I see the problem. The project browser sorts by name, NOT by "number"
>>> or I assume that means layer. Because of this no matter how you drag
>>> things around in the project browser, if it's sorting objects by name
>>> you won't see them changing, and can in fact accidentally drag one
>>> group INTO another when you thought you were dragging it before or
>>> after.
>> 
>> There is a settings button at the top right of the PB window. It allows you 
>> to sort by name or number, ascending or descending, for stacks, cards, and 
>> objects.
>> 
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>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Definite Bug

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On 5/25/2016 4:43 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

I see the problem. The project browser sorts by name, NOT by "number"
or I assume that means layer. Because of this no matter how you drag
things around in the project browser, if it's sorting objects by name
you won't see them changing, and can in fact accidentally drag one
group INTO another when you thought you were dragging it before or
after.


There is a settings button at the top right of the PB window. It allows 
you to sort by name or number, ascending or descending, for stacks, 
cards, and objects.


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Re: Definite Bug

[Bob Sneidar]

I see the problem. The project browser sorts by name, NOT by "number" or I 
assume that means layer. Because of this no matter how you drag things around 
in the project browser, if it's sorting objects by name you won't see them 
changing, and can in fact accidentally drag one group INTO another when you 
thought you were dragging it before or after.

I am going to have to remember to check that before dragging things around in 
the project browser.

Bob S


On May 25, 2016, at 14:35 , Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:

Ill check it out. I will dump my add ons then try to reproduce the recipe.

Bob S

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Re: Definite Bug

[Bob Sneidar]

Ill check it out. I will dump my add ons then try to reproduce the recipe.

Bob S


On May 25, 2016, at 07:52 , Richard Gaskin 
> wrote:

I just made a new stack with some grouped objects in it, and in the PB I can 
move objects within the group, out of the group, and back into the group by 
just dragging in the PB's list.

I think there may be something more to Bramanathatswami's recipe.

Maybe something in his setup is changing the relayerGroupedControls property?

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Re: Definite Bug

[Richard Gaskin]

I just made a new stack with some grouped objects in it, and in the PB I 
can move objects within the group, out of the group, and back into the 
group by just dragging in the PB's list.


I think there may be something more to Bramanathatswami's recipe.

Maybe something in his setup is changing the relayerGroupedControls 
property?


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Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Yes if the object is already in a group you cannot relayer this way.
> You must first ungroup, set the layer then regroup. Thankfully, the
> group recreates itself as it was before you ungrouped it. Nice touch
> from a long time ago.
>
>> On May 24, 2016, at 20:26 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>>
>> Confirmed here in OS X
>>
>> Re-layering groups is really "scary" at the moment. It's such a
>> challenge that the only way I'm able to successfully move a group
>> is to look up the layers of all objects/groups in the application
>> browser (aka "revolutionApplicationOverview") and then manually set
>> the layer of the group (via msg box) to a number that is either
>> above or below  in between of any other group.. even then it doesn't
>> always work as I hope…




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Re: Definite Bug

[Bob Sneidar]

Yes if the object is already in a group you cannot relayer this way. You must 
first ungroup, set the layer then regroup. Thankfully, the group recreates 
itself as it was before you ungrouped it. Nice touch from a long time ago. 

Bob S


> On May 24, 2016, at 20:26 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
> wrote:
> 
> Confirmed here in OS X
> 
> Re-layering groups is really "scary" at the moment. It's such a challenge 
> that the only way I'm able to successfully move a group is to look up the 
> layers of all objects/groups in the application browser (aka 
> "revolutionApplicationOverview") and then manually set the layer of the group 
> (via msg box) to a number that is either above or below  in between of any 
> other group.. even then it doesn't always work as I hope…  
> 
> Definitely needs work… 
> 
> Dragging up and down in the PB also yields odd results.
> 
> 
> On 5/24/16, 1:27 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Bob Sneidar" 
>  bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> I have confirmed several times that when attempting to move a group's layer 
>> by using cmd-square brackets it actually embeds the group I am moving into 
>> the previous or following group! I will submit a bug report, but everyone 
>> should be aware of this so they do not completely jack up their layering. 
>> 
>> Bob S
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Re: Definite Bug

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

Confirmed here in OS X

Re-layering groups is really "scary" at the moment. It's such a challenge that 
the only way I'm able to successfully move a group is to look up the layers of 
all objects/groups in the application browser (aka 
"revolutionApplicationOverview") and then manually set the layer of the group 
(via msg box) to a number that is either above or below  in between of any 
other group.. even then it doesn't always work as I hope…  

Definitely needs work… 

Dragging up and down in the PB also yields odd results.


On 5/24/16, 1:27 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Bob Sneidar" 
 wrote:

>Hi all. 
>
>I have confirmed several times that when attempting to move a group's layer by 
>using cmd-square brackets it actually embeds the group I am moving into the 
>previous or following group! I will submit a bug report, but everyone should 
>be aware of this so they do not completely jack up their layering. 
>
>Bob S

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