Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-07 Thread JJS via use-livecode
sual Studio Pro, $1200 for the first year, $800 for subsequent. Dar Mad Scientist On Oct 4, 2019, at 2:34 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: For anyone truly interested in the original question of "Recommended specs for Windows Development computer" (... as opposed to a

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-07 Thread JJS via use-livecode
ifferent. Now the best way seems to be Visual Studio Pro, $1200 for the first year, $800 for subsequent. Dar Mad Scientist On Oct 4, 2019, at 2:34 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: For anyone truly interested in the original question of "Recommended specs for Windows Develop

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Home is fine unless you are going to be using it in a business environment. If you aren't or never will be joining a domain, if you are not going to be sharing files (except with other Windows 10 Home computers) then 10 Home should be fine. Bob S > On Oct 6, 2019, at 09:21 , Martin Koob via

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode
MacMini. That could be my imagination. Disk I/O might be a lot slower, >>> but it did not affect me. I typically use a LAN drive for such testing, >>> anyway, unless the tests directly involve a local drive. >>> >>> I have used MSDN Operating Systems to build a

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
Hi JJS. I can’t remember everything exactly — it was a while ago — but I think originally I could start in safe mode and tried to follow online help documents to try and install Mojave. When I exhausted all the online support articles I could find I called Apple support. They walked me

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > -Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Martin Koob via use-livecode > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2019 12:21 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Martin Koob > Subject:

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread dsc--- via use-livecode
ing Systems to build a variety of virtual >> machines and to load on real machines. However, things seem to be >> different. Now the best way seems to be Visual Studio Pro, $1200 for >> the first year, $800 for subsequent. >> >> Dar >> Mad Scientist >> >> >>

RE: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Martin Koob via use-livecode Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2019 12:21 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Martin Koob Subject: Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer. Hi I am just setting up Virtual Box now on my iMac. I need to purchase of copy of Windows 10. I

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 10/6/19 10:55 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: My personal favorite Pro feature is the inclusion of a complete Linux shell within Windows. Waitwhat? How is that licensed? Is that a bash shell (GPL?) How do they get away with this? Update: OK - I looked at this (after a

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
JJS wrote: > I would go for the Pro. So you have some more options then the Home > version. Seconded. For the reasonable cost difference, better to have the Pro options available that your businesses customers will have, and be able to just ignore those for Home customers, than to get Home

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread JJS via use-livecode
I would go for the Pro. So you have some more options then the Home version. Also depends on the what your customers mostly have. Op 6-10-2019 om 18:21 schreef Martin Koob via use-livecode: Hi I am just setting up Virtual Box now on my iMac. I need to purchase of copy of Windows 10. I am

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread JJS via use-livecode
Studio Pro, $1200 for the first year, $800 for subsequent. Dar Mad Scientist On Oct 4, 2019, at 2:34 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: For anyone truly interested in the original question of "Recommended specs for Windows Development computer" (... as opposed to any O

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread JJS via use-livecode
ok thanks guys, so just keep adjusting it on the other platforms as it was. Op 6-10-2019 om 17:57 schreef Richmond via use-livecode: "The IDE itself is bad in this aspect." Well, yes, down in the undergrowth, in "Find" and so on there are odd labels that overflow their borders. But not in a

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread JJS via use-livecode
Hi Martin, ok that's really strange. You could also not start the safe mode? Well the first update from Sierra to (the 1st) Mojave did also go wrong here, so had to reinstall Sierra then waited for a higher version of Mojave 10.14.2 or something and that one went flawless on the Hackintosh.

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
, 2019, at 2:34 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: For anyone truly interested in the original question of "Recommended specs for Windows Development computer" (... as opposed to any OS-partisan virtue signaling, or avoiding Windows hardware, or maintaining a singl

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Colin Holgate via use-livecode
I originally bought Home, but at some point needed to do some RDP testing, which is a Pro feature. I think that currently my Parallels VM of Windows 10 doesn’t know it’s Pro, I need to track down the registration codes. Anyway, RDP aside, I didn’t yet need Pro features, and was testing with the

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
Hi I am just setting up Virtual Box now on my iMac. I need to purchase of copy of Windows 10. I am just wondering whether people would recommend Windows 10 Home or Pro. Any real difference when it comes to developing or testing? Is it best again to stick to the lowest common denominator

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
"The IDE itself is bad in this aspect." Well, yes, down in the undergrowth, in "Find" and so on there are odd labels that overflow their borders. But not in a major way. This is more a case of the interface designers forgetting that fonts "wax and wane" cross-platform and that they need to

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I don't "cope"; I make sure that all my buttons are NOT buttons at all: I set up a button the way I want it on whatever OS I happen to be using at that moment and import a snapshot of the thing, then delete the button and use the image: this guarantees buttons look the same wherever they are.

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 10/6/19 7:26 AM, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote: Turns out the upgrade detached the fusion drive’s SSD from its Hard Drive. Ouch! I didn't even realize that was possible. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 10/4/19 10:50 AM, Jjs via use-livecode wrote: How do you people cope with the differences on fields and knobs having text in it on the different OS-es? If i only build on windows even for Linux and Macos, text and such never fits in the fields.And i have to adjust it and maintain a stack

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Jjs via use-livecode
nt. Now the best way seems to be Visual Studio Pro, $1200 for >the first year, $800 for subsequent. > >Dar >Mad Scientist > > >> On Oct 4, 2019, at 2:34 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode > wrote: >> >> >> For anyone truly interested in the original

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
> Thanks for the suggested specs. > > > Regards, > > Martin Koob > > > > > >> On Oct 4, 2019, at 4:34 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode >> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: >> >> >> For anyone truly in

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
for the suggested specs. Regards, Martin Koob > On Oct 4, 2019, at 4:34 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode > wrote: > > > For anyone truly interested in the original question of "Recommended specs > for Windows Development computer" > > (... as opposed t

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
Hi JJS I have an iMac that has the specs for a dual boot but I am reluctant to do it. It has a 1 TB fusion drive and when I upgraded from Sierra to Mojave I ended up with a non functioning fusion drive. I had a nice long chat with the Apple Support tech trying to get it working again, then

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-06 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
Thanks Erik for the recommended specs. Also thanks for the advice re virtual testing. I have used parallels in the past on an earlier Mac with Windows 7, I will have to check if my Parallels licence is still good. Regards, Martin Koob > On Oct 3, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Erik Beugelaar via

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-05 Thread R.H. via use-livecode
Windows on dedicated hardware is my choice. Only then you really can say that you tested on Windows. The brand of the hardware (metal) is not important in this case. You are not confined to a closed system as with Apple. I am exlusively using Windows 10 and I am quite happy with it. I do not

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
or anyone truly interested in the original question of "Recommended specs > for Windows Development computer" > > (... as opposed to any OS-partisan virtue signaling, or avoiding Windows > hardware, or maintaining a single computer as the rule, etc ...) > > here's my ta

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Marty Knapp via use-livecode
I use Parallels + Windows 10 and a while back I switched to an SSD drive - wow what a difference that made, especially boot up time. I could never go back to using a virtual machine on a standard hard drive. Marty > On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > >

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Just to add something here. Using an SSD instead of an HDD will make a crappy computer run like a decent one. Hard Drive data transfer is the single most important factor in the speed of a computer. Some might say memory, but more memory makes it faster only because the HDD needs to be accessed

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Martin Koob wrote: > I have been developing the application on on a Mac to this point but > need to have the PC for testing and debugging in a Windows > environment. > > Being a Mac guy I am not sure what I should look for in a PC— > processor, speed, RAM, etc. Running Windows on metal is nice,

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Tell your girlfriend/wife that you generally like her, but she has annoying issues. I hope the couch is comfy. LOL! Bob S > On Oct 4, 2019, at 08:35 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode > wrote: > > Bob, > Agreed... I held out to the bitter end with XP(security) then Win 7(EOL > 1/2020) So I

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 10/4/19 1:55 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: PS. When "debugging" your antivirus, system settings, and other software to make your machine operate more smoothly, it's helpful to open the Task Manager and sort the Processes list by Disk. You'll discover the issues faster that

RE: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
11:09 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Bob Sneidar Subject: Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer. If Windows were girlfriends... I used to hate Windows, back before 1995. I swore I'd never have anything to do with her, always pretending to be pretty, but it was just a mask over

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
If Windows were girlfriends... I used to hate Windows, back before 1995. I swore I'd never have anything to do with her, always pretending to be pretty, but it was just a mask over top of that ugly DOS. Windows 2000... nuther MEH! BORING! XP! Now there was an improvement! I actually LIKED XP

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Me: Currently an i5 chip and 8 GB memory, 1 TB RAM. Should have said: Currently an i5 chip and 8 GB memory, 1 TB hard drive. PS. When "debugging" your antivirus, system settings, and other software to make your machine operate more smoothly, it's helpful to open the Task Manager and

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-04 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
For anyone truly interested in the original question of "Recommended specs for Windows Development computer" (... as opposed to any OS-partisan virtue signaling, or avoiding Windows hardware, or maintaining a single computer as the rule, etc ...) here's my take, from many year

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I'm curious how a standalone performs. I have a standalone that saves stacks as properties are changes, and I am finding that while Windows direct host is slower than a MacOS for a lot of things, Paralles (using Shared Profile I admit) is several times slower, especially when saving the stack.

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread Colin Holgate via use-livecode
For my job I need to frequently test things in Windows 10, and I have been doing that using Parallels. It works really well, but sometimes I need to do hardware tests, and so I had Bootcamp added as well. I was curious how well it performs, and so downloaded a benchmark test program. Users who

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread JJS via use-livecode
yes you can use virtualbox or whatever but it will be slower, running an OS in an OS, or: You install bootcamp if you only need Win10: read this https://support.apple.com/nl-nl/HT201468 it's in dutch but you can find the English version yourself i think then bootcamp will install all needed

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode
I have used Parallels, and am now also using Virtual Box on my Mac. I use No-Machine to connect to hardware Windows test platforms, and plan to use it for other platforms (Linux, iOS, Android, Raspberry Pi). I use MiniWoL to wake one machine and plan add Wake-on-LAN to another Windows machine.

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread Dalton Calford via use-livecode
Try Vmware Fusion - you can run windows without needing a dual boot - you just need a windows 10 licence. On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 14:04, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I would advise this hardware: > > - LGA 1152 motherboard (with PCIe ports) > -

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode
Hi, I would advise this hardware: - LGA 1152 motherboard (with PCIe ports) - Intel i5 processor - 8GB RAM or more - 256GB SSD or better 256GB M.2 NVMe if supported by your Mac OR use VM's (which I am using on a 32GB Mac machine): - Expand your current RAM in your Mac to at least 16GB or more

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread JB via use-livecode
Do you have a link for info on how to do that? I will be wanting to test on Windows too and was thinking I needed to use a emulator like Parallels. JB > On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:54 AM, JJS via use-livecode > wrote: > > Why don't you create a dual boot of your mac? > > Apple itself supports it

Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread JJS via use-livecode
Why don't you create a dual boot of your mac? Apple itself supports it and delivers the drivers to do so. You only need a win10 license Op 3-10-2019 om 19:48 schreef Martin Koob via use-livecode: Hi I need to buy a new desktop PC to be used for LiveCode development including using the new

Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

2019-10-03 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
Hi I need to buy a new desktop PC to be used for LiveCode development including using the new camera control and the player as I am working on a cross platform application for Mac and Windows. I have been developing the application on on a Mac to this point but need to have the PC for