When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Chipp Walters wrote: The problem with Hypercard and xTalk is for many they represent non-professional approaches to programming. Surely only in an ever-diminishing circle of people who worked with Hypercard? Also, as far as I am aware the language for programming Hypercard is HyperTalk rather

preserve custom folder icons in OSX

2008-12-01 Thread Scott Morrow
I'm trying to add, as part of an installer app, the ability to reproduce any original custom folder icons in OSX (and perhaps OS9 as I think it uses the same mechanism). In other words, I would like to be able to suck up the custom folder icon information along with everything else so

The stinking truth.

2008-12-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Sorry, I cannot see anything 'stinky' or inadequate about saying what Runtime Revolution is. I know that Dropping your drawers and mooning them is a good way to make a name for yourself (having done the written equivalent of that on this list in the past); but I don't see what that has to do

How do you handle an engine update for your app?

2008-12-01 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, when building an automatic update function in your app, which checks the internet for updates, I think the common approach is to have a splash stack, which does all the checking, downloading and replacing of the needed files. After having replaced the update files, including possibly your

Re: Rev 3 fails to build with Stack Password set ?

2008-12-01 Thread camm29
Has anybody confirmed this ? Is it a Bug ? Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a Stack contains ANSWER Dialog and you set a password for the Stack in Standalone settings if fails to buildin Rev 3 ? This is no a problem in Rev 2.8 Regards Camm

Re: How do you handle an engine update for your app?

2008-12-01 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: But what do you do, if you want to exchange your splash stack it self? What are your approaches to organise this issue? The current approach I use on Windows is to launch a VBScript and then quit the main application. The VBScript waits

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Luis
Hiya, Dunno, but 'RexTalk', for me, elicits the sounds a T Rex might make... if it could talk... Cheers, Luis. On 30 Nov 2008, at 22:27, Richmond Mathewson wrote: It's what HyperCard could have been if Apple had more crunch! Personally I like xTalk, so why not call the Runtime

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Mark Smith
Just recently, I told one company I'm working with that I'm using a scripting language called revolution. They didn't seem worried. Perhaps the phrase scripting language might once have caused concern, but given the prevalence of perl, php, ruby and python, I don't think it worries many

Re: How do you handle an engine update for your app?

2008-12-01 Thread Dave Cragg
On 1 Dec 2008, at 13:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: What are your approaches to organise this issue? Here is the rough outline of an approach I've used before. -- Build a standalone to act as the updater. The new engine file is contained in a custom property of this standalone. -- Have the

Re: The stinking truth.

2008-12-01 Thread Mikey
Thanks for proving the point, Richard. That reaction was exactly what I was trying to illicit. If someone acts defensive, the reaction is negative, i.e. harsh begets distance. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Smith wrote: Just recently, I told one company I'm working with that I'm using a scripting language called revolution. They didn't seem worried. Perhaps the phrase scripting language might once have caused concern, but given the prevalence of perl, php, ruby and python, I don't think

Re: The stinking truth.

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mikey wrote: Thanks for proving the point, Richard. That reaction was exactly what I was trying to illicit. If someone acts defensive, the reaction is negative, i.e. harsh begets distance. I apologize for any feather-ruffling; not my intention. I think we just have a simple

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Neal Campbell
Over the past several months I have been studying a lot, looking for the perfect language that I enjoyed for working on desktop applications as well as RIA/Web applications. The languages I have purchased/used/enjoyed include: Delphi 2009 C# 3.0 Realbasic 2008 Revolution Ruby Python Objective C

AW: How do you handle an engine update for your app?

2008-12-01 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Trevor, I'll think about it and perhaps come back Thank you Tiemo If you need code examples I can point you at the files to look at in the GLX Application Framework. Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Developer Resources:

Check and close a program

2008-12-01 Thread Mark Stuart
Hi Tareq, Read the Windows Registry, using the following Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\CurrentVersion Valid values = (5, 5.1, 6) Where: 5 = Win2000, 5.1 = WinXP, 6 = Vista If it = 5.1 OR 6 (Vista), then use: taskkill /IM ExecutableName.exe This will

AW: How do you handle an engine update for your app?

2008-12-01 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello Dave, your approach brought me another idea. What about if I would always have two launching standalones one behind the other. First one only to check and do the updates, calling the second standalone and quitting. The second standalone is nothing else, as a carrier of the standalone engine,

one launcher - many links

2008-12-01 Thread viktoras didziulis
hello! just wanted to ask what strategies can be used to solve the following issue 'correctly': there is one launcher (compiled stack) and several modules (ordinary stacks). I would need to add several shortcuts to the Windows start menu/MacOSX applications folder pointing to same loader stack,

Re: The stinking truth.

2008-12-01 Thread Mikey
I apologize for any feather-ruffling; not my intention. I think we just have a simple misunderstanding here. Absolutely not. I tried to write my original email several times before I settled on TRYING to ruffle feathers to try to prove a point, so if I didn't ruffle any then I suck.

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Sadhunathan Nadesan
Personally I like xTalk, (snip) sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. I vote for xTalk or X-talk. Part of the reason is that I use it mainly just as a stand alone scripting language without the IDE, for the kinds of tasks I might use Bash shell script for - (or Perl if I felt more affinity for it)

Slider. i miss something ?

2008-12-01 Thread Ludovic Thébault
Hello, It's not possible to force a slider to scroll only at pageinc ? (scroll only by multiple of 5 for example) Thx. PS : Rev 2.9.1 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread viktoras didziulis
what about recursive acronym like XIR meaning Xtalk Is Revolution (which is correct in many senses). Language names like Rex, R are already reserved and I do not know any language called XIR which is both Xtalk and Revolution and everyone is happy :-))) Viktoras Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread viktoras didziulis
sorry it is not recursive, but still acronym anyway... viktoras didziulis wrote: what about recursive acronym like XIR ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Mark Brownell
I agree that it's bad practice to draw attention to what you use in a defensive way or in criticizing other well known methods. I also see the logic in not using name overloading when describing RR, Rev, and Revolution as being a trinity of modern symbolism. I always ask, what would you like it

Re: The stinking truth.

2008-12-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mikey wrote: I apologize for any feather-ruffling; not my intention. I think we just have a simple misunderstanding here. Absolutely not. I tried to write my original email several times before I settled on TRYING to ruffle feathers to try to prove a point, so if I didn't ruffle any then I

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Phil Davis
Mark Brownell wrote: I agree that it's bad practice to draw attention to what you use in a defensive way or in criticizing other well known methods. I also see the logic in not using name overloading when describing RR, Rev, and Revolution as being a trinity of modern symbolism. I always ask,

RE: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Randall Reetz
You cant use xTalk without ruining the credibility of your company. xTalk is the generic universal lable for the whole smalltalk spawned event and object handler driven scripting lnguage family. The only reasonable and obvious choice is revTalk. -Original Message- From:

Re: The stinking truth.

2008-12-01 Thread Marian Petrides, MD
Richard Thanks for the illuminating history of RunRev. M On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The misunderstanding here is simply that the MC engine *is* the Rev engine. It began life in 1992 under the name MetaCard, back when it was owned and maintained by Scott Raney's

Text-y thing-y.

2008-12-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Just uploaded Text Bash to revOnline ( find it under 'Richmond' - surprise, surprise ) simplistic nonsense with text fields, might be useful, you never know. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a

Re: The stinking truth.

2008-12-01 Thread Mikey
I suppose to be fairest we might just use Microsoft. :) Too much typing. Which is why C++ is so popular ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Hugh Senior
Richmond wrote Personally I like xTalk, (snip) Sadhu wrote I vote for xTalk or X-talk. Unfortunately xTalk, XTalk, X-Talk (or however you want to spell it) is already part of the programming language landscape to cover any scripting language from HyperCard onwards. See

When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Hey-Ho: What I wrote was: Personally I like xTalk, so why not call the Runtime Revolution dialect RexTalk ? Nothing like selective quoting (or quoting myself, come to that)! The reason I would favour 'RexTalk' or 'RevTalk' is that, while showing that the programming language is linked to

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Paul Looney
On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: 'Talk' is somehow perceived as babyish, while 'Code' is a hairy-chested word used by 'real' programmers. I can think of no better reason for using Code. The product must be sold. Sales are based on perception. Code is perceived as

When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Mark Swindell wrote: Transcript is a good name for the language. No it isn't because it has no obvious link with Runtime Revolution. Maybe Transit would be good for the IDE. It certainly gets you from one place to another. 2 rather nebulous names could give an extremely nebulous idea! Now

Re: Slider. i miss something ?

2008-12-01 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Ludovic, This is impossible, but you can make a script that sets the thumbPos to the nearest rounded value in the scrollbarDrag handler. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum:

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Mark Swindell
Transcript is a good name for the language. Maybe Transit would be good for the IDE. It certainly gets you from one place to another. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: Slider. i miss something ?

2008-12-01 Thread Eric Chatonet
Bonsoir Ludovic, I wrote a tiny tutorial after a discussion with Richard Gaskin and some others that could help you: It is named 'How to Manage Snap to Scrollbars' How to manage a slider snap-to behavior to make sure that the indicator lines up with the ticks on Mac OS X. You will access

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Robert Brenstein
On 01/12/08 at 13:18 -0800 Richmond Mathewson apparently wrote: Mark Swindell wrote: Transcript is a good name for the language. No it isn't because it has no obvious link with Runtime Revolution. Why must there be a connection? Despite all the marketing justification, I firmly believe

Re: difference between function and command and sending parameters

2008-12-01 Thread william humphrey
I noticed that you can't return a mix of an array and a variable. This doesn't work (it only works if the params are both simple variables or if you only have one parm - the array) : *on* mouseUp *put* the first item of MyTest() into myArray *put* the keys of myArray *end* mouseUp

When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Dear Robert Brenstein, there was no apparently about things, I wrote what I wrote. However, just to throw another spanner in the works:- The very few times people ask me how I make my programs I state that I use: Runtime Revolution, a complete programming package. No 'language', 'IDE', 'GUI',

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Alex Tweedly
Richmond Mathewson wrote: Hey-Ho: What I wrote was: Personally I like xTalk, so why not call the Runtime Revolution dialect RexTalk ? Because it's confusingly close to Rexx (an old favourite scripting language from another universe ...) -- Alex.

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Chipp Walters
I'm sure that's the case in Bulgaria, but here in the US, most every tech person I come in contact with over the age of 35 has heard of and remembers Hypercard. It's not necessary they actually ever worked with HC, only that it came from Apple and was considered a 'toy' by many. Neither good when

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Robert Brenstein
On 01/12/08 at 14:22 -0800 Richmond Mathewson apparently wrote: Dear Robert Brenstein, there was no apparently about things, I wrote what I wrote. However, just to throw another spanner in the works:- The very few times people ask me how I make my programs I state that I use: Runtime

Sqlite remotely

2008-12-01 Thread hershel fisch
Hi, how would be the appropriate way if there is, to work with SQLite remotely? Hershel Fisch ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

RE: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Randall Reetz
I'm so sick of this thread... My new nomination is ExTalk. What is wrong with RevTalk? It's the most natural name. But, if we really want to be cool, how bout a play on the rotational meaning of the word revolution... Spin. -Original Message- From: Hugh Senior [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: difference between function and command and sending parameters

2008-12-01 Thread Mark Smith
William, if your example is as simple as it seems, I'd probaly not bother with an array, and use chunks instead, However, for bigger data I'd do something like this, in Rev 3.0 on mouseUp put myTest() into tBigArray put tBigArray[1] into myArray put tBigArray[2] into mySimpleVariable

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Neal Campbell
To end the thread, my final answer is In my office #B- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 - Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Luis
Excellent! That's a keeper! Cheers, Luis. Neal Campbell wrote: To end the thread, my final answer is In my office #B- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 - Try

Re: difference between function and command and sending parameters

2008-12-01 Thread william humphrey
Thanks. My arrays aren't that big but i like how I can call them in repeat loops (I'm generating XML) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription

Re: preserve custom folder icons in OSX

2008-12-01 Thread Ken Ray
On 12/1/08 2:24 AM, Scott Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to add, as part of an installer app, the ability to reproduce any original custom folder icons in OSX (and perhaps OS9 as I think it uses the same mechanism). In other words, I would like to be able to suck up the custom

Re: preserve custom folder icons in OSX

2008-12-01 Thread Scott Morrow
On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 12/1/08 2:24 AM, Scott Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to add, as part of an installer app, the ability to reproduce any original custom folder icons in OSX (and perhaps OS9 as I think it uses the same mechanism). In other words, I

Re: Sqlite remotely

2008-12-01 Thread william humphrey
Remotely? like multi-user on a server? On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM, hershel fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, how would be the appropriate way if there is, to work with SQLite remotely? Hershel Fisch ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread John Vokey
I say the same thing, except I call it Metacard. On 1-Dec-08, at 7:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, just to throw another spanner in the works:- The very few times people ask me how I make my programs I state that I use: Runtime Revolution, a complete programming package. No

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Jim Sims
On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: I'm like Richard. I rarely if ever have to defend RR as I've got some long standing Rev projects in the works. I was only responding to the originator of this thread regarding the subject: When they ask, what is this written in? 'Twas I who

ATTN: Max Schaefer who wrote Math Program

2008-12-01 Thread Judy Perry
Max: Could you please contact me off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We met at RevConWest this year and I've lost track of your math program (my husband's the mathematician). Kindest thanks, Judy Perry http://revined.blogspot.com ___ use-revolution mailing

RE: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Randall Reetz
Ya what up with the name revolution? Weird. Especially for a forth generation great grandson of a derivative. That is the real source of awkward. Product must be good. -Original Message- From: Jim Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent:

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread Judy Perry
I dunno... I LIKE Revolution, but can see the Googling problems inherent in it being *the name*. Still, there's another problem -- that of changing the name of the product, language, product lines numerous times. Seems to me that, unless the above names suck markedly, leave them be! I imagine

Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

2008-12-01 Thread viktoras didziulis
he knew too few about programming,- maybe it is better to avoid people like that, because their expectations sometimes may be unreal. You know, there are many Delphi/Pascal programmers around, the language being ranked 8th place by its spread and usage, tons of stuff's written in that language