Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-24 Thread Kay C Lan
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:40 PM, william humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I think that those guidelines along with some others should really be consolidated into something that the mothership could recommend for our use. Do you mean something like page 163 of the RevolutionUserGuide.pdf

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-24 Thread william humphrey
5.10 Tips for Writing Good Code -- that chapter is completely changed and improved form the printed version of the manuel. It's very nice and thanks for pointing it out to me. I hadn't realized so many changes were made in the manual. but what I'm asking for is Short example stacks that

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-24 Thread Brian Yennie
William, I think what you'll find with Rev is a trade-off. Although there are some demo stacks floating around and a few good sites, the shear volume is much less than more widely adopted languages. It's more than there used to be (and growing), but you'll have a lot less luck hitting

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-24 Thread william humphrey
Thanks - that's very sound advice. I'm just hoping for something in the future ;) and I find the collection of stacks on the RunRev site a very great potential and wish it would build quicker and with more features in the repository. So while I agree it would be great if there were

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Graham Samuel
Yes, but any explanation of libraries should also include **components**: my recent attempts to employ libraries consistently for the first time (embarassingly this was many years after I started scripting) revealed soon enough that a library in the sense of something invoked by start

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Phil Davis
Hi Graham, Graham Samuel wrote: Yes, but any explanation of libraries should also include **components**: my recent attempts to employ libraries consistently for the first time (embarassingly this was many years after I started scripting) revealed soon enough that a library in the sense of

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
Phil Davis wrote: ...you can store images as objects in a 'library' stack, and when you start using the stack, those images become available as icons in your app's buttons. Of course, your app has to know their IDs to take advantage of them. I use this in one product I maintain. It has one

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
william humphrey wrote: The other complaint I get is that RunRev doesn't have libraries of code to use. Au contaire, there are dozens of libs floating around the Revsphere, some commercial ones like Animation Engine and a good many freeware ones like stdLib and the goodies from Sarah, Andre,

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread william humphrey
Database specific libraries like Trevor's but simpler for common database functions. They should also be for the different databases that RunRev supports especially Valentina which is the fastest and most powerful one but also the one with no third party support materials (for SQLite there are

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
william humphrey wrote: Database specific libraries like Trevor's but simpler for common database functions. They should also be for the different databases that RunRev supports especially Valentina which is the fastest and most powerful one but also the one with no third party support

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread william humphrey
Nothing lacking in Valentina's API it is incredible. It is the lack of completed solutions for common tasks. So it's not libraries but more example code like you find for PHP or other more popular environments. The example code saves you from re-writing stuff someone much more skilled has already

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
william humphrey wrote: Nothing lacking in Valentina's API it is incredible. It is the lack of completed solutions for common tasks. So it's not libraries but more example code like you find for PHP or other more popular environments. The example code saves you from re-writing stuff someone much

RE: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Lynn Fredricks
william humphrey wrote: Nothing lacking in Valentina's API it is incredible. It is the lack of completed solutions for common tasks. So it's not libraries but more example code like you find for PHP or other more popular environments. The example code saves you from re-writing

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Ruslan Zasukhin
On 9/23/08 8:38 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard, Hi William, william humphrey wrote: Database specific libraries like Trevor's but simpler for common database functions. They should also be for the different databases that RunRev supports especially Valentina which is

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-23 Thread Ruslan Zasukhin
On 9/24/08 1:43 AM, Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: william humphrey wrote: Nothing lacking in Valentina's API it is incredible. It is the lack of completed solutions for common tasks. So it's not libraries but more example code like you find for PHP or other more popular

As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-22 Thread william humphrey
I wonder if it is really bad that the very powerful programming environments let us do stuff we (or at least I) could never have imagined possible before. I'm only saying this because in other forums sometimes people say oh scripting that's not programming. My answer to them is usually Why aren't

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-22 Thread Andre Garzia
William, I was one of those that kept loosing my code. The guideline I use these days is: * Utility code that is related to the application goes into the stack script * Generic code that can be used by any application goes into a library stack * Cards and controls only got event code, like

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-22 Thread Richard Gaskin
william humphrey wrote: I wonder if it is really bad that the very powerful programming environments let us do stuff we (or at least I) could never have imagined possible before. I'm only saying this because in other forums sometimes people say oh scripting that's not programming. My answer to

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-22 Thread william humphrey
I can't wait to read your piece on structure. I imagine it will take a while to write as you will need a simple explanation on how to make a library. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-22 Thread william humphrey
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Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-22 Thread Mikey
Man, if you think that the flexibility to put code all over the message hierarchy causes problems (which, by the way, can be overcome by using the Find function - at least it's never been any more of a problem for me than that), you ought to try to read the monolithic CODE (there's a reason why

Re: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-22 Thread william humphrey
I use BBedit and love it. The other complaint I get is that RunRev doesn't have libraries of code to use. I believe that those libraries are gradually being built though. I tried Scripter's scrapbook once and I should probably try it again as that sounds like it could be a repository of re-usable

RE: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy

2008-09-22 Thread Randall Reetz
Sent: 9/22/2008 8:40 AM Subject: As programming environments get more powerful programers get lazy I wonder if it is really bad that the very powerful programming environments let us do stuff we (or at least I) could never have imagined possible before. I'm only saying this because in other forums