many times I have been wondering, why so many people know of Air, and
all these fresh new things about flash, Flex 3, Python, Java, MySQL,
SQLite, PHP, even Logo, etc... Those are babies of Adobe, Sun or not so
well known companies or even open source projects. And why do they
usually know
You have a point. Perhaps that is the new job of http://www.mirye.com/ --- I
hope so.
? Doesn't Run Rev Ltd do press releases on its products and upgrades ? Maybe
those press releases are somehow limited... Printed words still have a big
weight in this Internet age, maybe because people tend to
I believe you might say the same for SuperCard. Kind of! My personal
feeling is that when Rev was first released as MetaCard, perhaps as
something else - my memory fails me, we had all become accustomed to
HC - free for all to use; and we resented that someone was trying to
get rich on
Joe,
I agree with the initial reaction to Supercard when Hypercard was
free. However SC had so much to offer with multiple windows and Color
etc. and HC was not being well supported by Apple at that time (the
beginning of the end it felt like) that I felt I needed to purchase
SC. Then
many times I have been wondering, why so many people know of
Air, and all these fresh new things about flash, Flex 3,
Python, Java, MySQL, SQLite, PHP, even Logo, etc... Those are
babies of Adobe, Sun or not so well known companies or even
open source projects. And why do they usually
Thomas,
For the most part, I agree with your sympathies and, were I a full-
time developer, probably even more so. I, too, purchased SC, but
didn't find that it really offered me things I couldn't get from HC -
at that time - with a little more effort; something I really enjoyed.
Hey, I
I really, really wish they'd stop changing the name of things! If
Runtime Revolution want to be well-known, they've GOT to keep just
one name. First the language was Transcript; now it's Revolution.
Is the programming environment made by Runtime Revolution or Mirye?
I realize that
I believe you might say the same for SuperCard. Kind of! My
personal feeling is that when Rev was first released as
MetaCard, perhaps as something else - my memory fails me, we
had all become accustomed to HC - free for all to use; and we
resented that someone was trying to get rich on
Joe,
Your welcome. I never wrote any externals (I was close a couple of
times) but I had to laugh at your comment about being up to your eye-
brows in your own HC externals.
Truth be told, my company bought the Viao for me and other than cross-
platform development I don't use it much for
Is the programming environment made by Runtime Revolution or Mirye?
I realize that Mirye is a marketing group, but this is really
confusing for somebody who might be taking a look at RR for the first
time:
From Mirye's web site:
Mirye Software, publishers of the cross-platform
Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
programming? Do they say that about RR? I'm running into that issue
a little bit.
Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a real
programming language. Why? It's too easy! They have the notion --
shared by
marty wrote:
Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
programming? Do they say that about RR? I'm running into that issue
a little bit.
Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a real
programming language. Why? It's too easy! They have the notion
You are going to find all sorts of prejudices in the programming
world about ease of use. Easier it is to use, the less they want
to give it credit.
Now you do have to see one thing from their viewpoint. You spend
years learning how to use c++, you are finally at a point where you
can do a
That's a *great* idea, Richard.
On May 29, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
But it would be helpful if some of the introductory materials in the
docs discussed Rev as a second language for JavaScripters as it does
for HC and VB.
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HyperCard also suffered from this mentality in both higher education and
corporate environments (I can speak to this first hand). Part of HC's
problem was that it was slower than compiled applications doing the same
things. Part of the problem was that color was being widely accepted and
Mikey,
And this all over again as Mashups infiltrate enterprise and IT have
to deal with end users building their own UI etc.
Thanks for the post
Tom
On May 29, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Mikey wrote:
So the short version of that story is You're right. The longer
version,
though, is a tale of
Thats why it would be nice to have Revolution name mentioned regularly
in the big IT magazines. Once it gets there the snowball effect will
start working as local national magazines tend to replicate news printed
in the greater ones. These news in turn get replicated by IT columns
in local
The catch is:
If anyone uses Google to find answers, or help, or general info...
this won't get much if all you write is RevCode, so use more than one term,
such as Revolution or Transcript, etc.
Of course, RunRev is unique, but I don't see many people using this beyond
the Rev team.
Lynn
RevCode certainly is a nice succinct and unique word. Revolution is a
useless word and Transcript is also and scripting all those others aren't
unique. It really is a great idea to name transcript or hypertalk or
revolution or whatever the stuff we have been coding in when using RunRev
RevCode.
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Thats why it would be nice to have Revolution name mentioned regularly
in the big IT magazines. Once it gets
Personally, I think it overstates the case, it is too long, and is pompous.
If you don't use it all the time then it isn't so bad - RevCode, for
example, is just RevCode, even though it's short for something else. If you
use it sparingly then it isn't a problem.
The biggest problem with using Revolution to mean RevCode is that
Revolution means something else. So it is confusing especially for web
searches.
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Too easy? Too difficult?
This is one of those things that can go on and on.
Having ploughed through all those disgusting
command-line languages of the 70s and 80s I really
don't care if people want to be all funny about
Runtime Revolution; let them be; all I do know is:
I can have a child of 8
aspect of
computing... Programming executable logic.
R.
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Subject: Is RR too easy? Or too hard? (was) Is RunRev marketed to developers
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Too easy? Too
Here, here!
How do you think we can do to help this happen?
Judy
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:34 AM, marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the other side of the aisle, I'd like to begin urging other teachers to
begin making their own software to use with their classes. But they think
it's too
I'd forgotten about Lynn's blogging suggestion, which is odd given
that I've been tinkering with the idea of a Rev in Education blog
@;-)
Judy
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lynn mentioned blogging as a way of getting the word out, but we still get
back to
And, of course, the problem here is one of branding, or rather,
changing the branding rather frequently. Is it Revolution?
Transcript? Media/Dreamcard/Studio/Enterprise/whatever-it-is-this-week?
(though I must say I was very impressed with the concern for branding
expressed at the conference, as
Richmond, I quite often take issue with your posts to this list, but
this time, I agree with every word :-)
I too suffer from people describing Revolution as a toy and ignoring
the fact that I produce software that is incredibly stable and largely
bug-free in about a tenth of the time they do.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Lynn Fredricks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My approach is to:
-utilize the new wave of communication venues like Linked In, mySpace and
Facebook
I am not a proponent of Second Life,IMO it's a colossal waste of time, but
my wife spends quite a bit of time
Kay C Lan wrote:
As an aside, for Jacque who felt she needed to put a bag over her head,
obviously in Second Life your Avatar can look really good.
It does. :) Well, sort of good. I didn't want to stray too far from reality.
But from my own
perspective, thanks for not putting a bag over
On 5/29/08 7:34 PM, marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Marty,
Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
programming? Do they say that about RR? I'm running into that issue
a little bit.
Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a real
programming
I just wrote a fairly long rant about the USER space on RunRev (and the lack
of good example stacks for database use with RunRev) and it got me to
thinking. How do you think the market for RunRev is defined? Is it 95%
developers and 5% hobbyists? Does it have to be that way because anything
Recently, william humphrey wrote:
I just wrote a fairly long rant about the USER space on RunRev
Fully agreed. I think everybody knows RevOnline is long overdue for an
overhaul. My guess is, it's a resources issue -- RunRev needs guys to work
on bug fixes, new features, and other related
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:59 AM, william humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just wrote a fairly long rant about the USER space on RunRev (and the lack
of good example stacks for database use with RunRev) and it got me to
thinking. How do you think the market for RunRev is defined? Is it 95%
I just wrote a fairly long rant about the USER space on
RunRev (and the lack of good example stacks for database use
with RunRev) and it got me to thinking. How do you think the
market for RunRev is defined? Is it 95% developers and 5%
hobbyists? Does it have to be that way because
I've always wanted RunRev to be as scaleable and supportable as PHP or
Perl or any of the other attach it to Apache languages for building
web services. I've got RunRev cgi web server things deployed but for
scaleability, I'm going to learn another language. I've held out for
as long as
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