Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-09 Thread Hugh Senior
My British passport will only include chips if, as and when the issuing authority provides the fish to go with them. Until then, I shall remain in my tree-house. Stop the world... I want to get off. Progress is too often convincing yourself that backwards is forwards. /H Neal wrote: Its a US

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-09 Thread Bernard Devlin
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Neal Campbell nealk...@gmail.com wrote: Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-09 Thread Judy Perry
Right. I was just having this argument, er, discussion on a history list I'm on; they made me think I was crazy so I spent a few minutes googling such things and found the most astonishing stuff (to me at least; the Brit history folks either denied the stuff outright or thought these things

Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Wilhelm Sanke
First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European Parliament in its majority was against this

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread David Bovill
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Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Kay C Lan
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote: Conclusion: Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread J. Landman Gay
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for Revolution (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. Runtime Revolution might be even worse as it suggests an immediate

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Andre Garzia
Now imagine me... I had a badge last conference saying Revolution Consultant, it is like a third-party guerrilha for hire or something :D On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Wilhelm Sanke wrote: I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Jim Kanter
Hmmm Che Garzia. Has a familiar ring to it... On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Now imagine me... I had a badge last conference saying Revolution Consultant, it is like a third-party guerrilha for hire or something :D

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/02/2010 14:15, Kay C Lan wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sankesa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote: Conclusion: Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: the

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Wilhelm Sanke
/Kay C Lan lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com wrote: / Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any speed-glues/

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Neal Campbell
Believe it or not, I was in charge of Security Compliance at SWIFT before I retired 3 years ago and I can promise you that you can sleep comfortably without any worries of the Big Bad US Government spying on your money transactions. First of all, the money has to flow thru SWIFT's network, which

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: Hmmm Che Garzia. Has a familiar ring to it... Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP with all sorts of 'I don't know

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/02/2010 18:58, Neal Campbell wrote: snip While I hated to see my company dragged down into the US Government security facade of the past administration (sri for the political rant there), it wasn't what the press made it out to be. And are we to suppose the current administration

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Michael Kann
Explosive rubbers sound more like a recipe for the underwear bomber. --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.de wrote: Sounds like a recipe for a shoe-bomber. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Bob Sneidar
That's what they WANT you to think. ;-) But seriously, security breaches happen not by way of the measures in place, but by some breakdown in the same measures. Once the information is there, it is always going to be a temptation for interested parties to get their hands on it. All that said,

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Bob Sneidar
When they want to imbed it into your right hand or forehead, THAT is the time to run for the hills. :-) Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
Thanks for this heads-up, Wilhelm, as our government typically doesn't inform us as to its evil deeds :-( Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
Wilhelm, Do you have a nice, tidy URL for this? I'd love to rebroadcast... In appreciation, Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
How about apple-pie and puppy dog development for the rest of us? Oh,... right... the rest of us is probably subsersive-speak as far as the CIA is concerned :-/ Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Kay C Lan wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote:

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
Did you really miss the part in which it was recently revealed that the FBI obtained, in contravention to US law, telco information on people by simply posting POST-IT NOTES ON TELCO WORKERS WORKSTATIONS?!!! I am S not exaggerating. :-( Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Neal Campbell wrote:

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Mark Schonewille
Judy, http://qurl.tk/4k (but I believe that this is a cheesy subject and cheese is not to be discussed) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Try the new URL

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
Damn! Stop trying to circumvent the Darwin Awards!! Don't give them any ideas :-P Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Michael Kann wrote: Explosive rubbers sound more like a recipe for the underwear bomber. --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.de wrote: Sounds like a recipe for a

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
I'm already running... that crap is coming, believe it. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: When they want to imbed it into your right hand or forehead, THAT is the time to run for the hills. :-) Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Time to buy a beret and

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
Mark, I saw no mention of cheese... it would be an indignity to the cheese. I would apologize to the cheese. All hail the cheese. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Mark Schonewille wrote: Judy, http://qurl.tk/4k (but I believe that this is a cheesy subject and cheese is not to be discussed)

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Neal Campbell
Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible things you would have a real chip in your passport. This stuff is like

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Judy Perry
I stand corrected then, tho' I think they were the first to actually implement it (damn, gotta get a passport just in case I need to leave the country suddenly in the middle of the night; god only knows that I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my native white

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Bob Earp
Judy, if you haven't seen it take a look at the BBC series The Last Enemy. It was on PBS under their Masterpiece Classic program, but you can see all about it at http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/lastenemy/welcome.shtmlI think it was produced around the time national identity cards were being

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond- Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:06:55 AM, you wrote: No matter who you vote for the government always gets in. Bonzo Dog DooDah Band. g Thanks for that... it's been a long time. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Kay C Lan
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.eduwrote: I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my native white college-educated English wasn't good enough -- I'm NOT kidding). Why am I not surprised? Oh, that reminds me. I recently took the kids

Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution

2010-02-08 Thread Kay C Lan
Whoops there is a typo, that should be border, not boarder. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.eduwrote: I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my native white