Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-16 Thread Dan Shafer
I disagree completely with the assessment of JavaScript here (from Mr. Gaskin). Not only do I think JS is a pretty good language -- maybe even a great one -- and not only does it seem to me to be true that a lot of great productivity enhancers have been done in and to it, but JS pales in

RE: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-15 Thread Lynn Fredricks
I found this piece http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/09/14/basic/ on today's Salon.com by David Brin interesting, if a bit misguided. There seem to be some potential implications for Revolution and Transcript but not as a direct replacement for what he's missing. Still, he makes

Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-15 Thread Richard Gaskin
Lynn Fredricks wrote: He laments the lack of availability of BASIC, but software preinstalled does not an education make, nor has it ever :-) By itself, no, but it does increase the odds of having programming tools in the hands of people who might take a shine to learning how to use them.

Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Friday, September 15, 2006, 8:31:31 AM, you wrote: I predict that the accident of history that is JavaScript's popularity will one day be recognized as the single biggest productivity loss in computing history. I think it would have some competition from the goto statement. Or when

RE: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-15 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Lynn Fredricks wrote: He laments the lack of availability of BASIC, but software preinstalled does not an education make, nor has it ever :-) By itself, no, but it does increase the odds of having programming tools in the hands of people who might take a shine to learning how to use

Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-14 Thread Dan Shafer
I found this piece http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/09/14/basic/ on today's Salon.com by David Brin interesting, if a bit misguided. There seem to be some potential implications for Revolution and Transcript but not as a direct replacement for what he's missing. Still, he makes some

Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-14 Thread Brian Yennie
The article has also been SlashDotted - and at least a couple comments are up about how Hypercard used to be a good beginner tool. One could probably chime in along those lines... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com

Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-14 Thread Dan Shafer
I thought about that but it's not a direct answer to the author's concern. He says line coding allows a beginner to create and trace algorithmic execution and doesn't require use of UI componentry. I think he misses the point a bit with that qualifier, but then that's probably just me. On

Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-14 Thread Brian Yennie
I'm also not enamored with the article itself, but was just interested that it spawned some sub-threads of discussion on what exactly IS a good programming language for beginners. that's where Rev is relevant - to the growing SlashDot discussion, not to the Salon.com article. FWIW, Brian

Re: Salon.com Article Bemoans Demise of Line Programming (BASIC)

2006-09-14 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On 9/15/06, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this piece http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/09/14/basic/ on today's Salon.com by David Brin interesting, if a bit misguided. There seem to be some potential implications for Revolution and Transcript but not as a direct replacement