relatively new to Revolution and like a number of other users have
observed some favourable references to Shao Sean's work and externals - but
they seem quite hard to get. I notice that you made available a copy of
libSmtp253 which is great thanks! Would you by any chance have a copy
On 11/11/10 5:38 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
Peter,
i am sorry i cannot help. I am looking for it also. But had not yet
time to ask here in the list for it.
So if someone in the list could help us out with Shao´s ssmac
external...?
She wrote me privately and said if we need any of her files,
(revcreatexmltree). Once I figure out
how to get mc to recognize rev externals (Klaus?) this should work.
Hmm, this is pretty straightforward! :-)
Anyway, I created a folder externals in my MC folder and copied ALL the LC
externals into that folder. NO subfolder for RevDB stuff!!!
Then I added a little
Klaus-
Thursday, October 21, 2010, 3:16:42 AM, you wrote:
Hmm, this is pretty straightforward! :-)
Thanks for the (lack of) sanity check. I had done something similar
and for some reason it didn't work. Now it does. Not sure why, but at
least now I can verify that the documentation stack does
Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
When creating a Windows Standalone Application,
the generated Windows folder contains a sub-folder
called Externals. For my stacks, this folder has
always been empty. This is convenient for me, because
I can take the .exe file out of its environment,
and put
Hi Francis,
The externals folder contains files If you include externals :-) For
example if you include the browser library or the revFont library or
if you include a database driver.
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Yes it did but that still needs to materialize! Good to see you here Shao!
By the way, your external is a cocoa external? Are you calling cocoa stuff
from carbon?
Cheers
andre
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Shao Sean shaos...@wehostmacs.com wrote:
Be nice once Rev gets back into the swing
Hopefully they get back on track with updating the desktop offering..
Actually the external is all Carbon.. I have played with a couple
other single use externals that used Cocoa from Carbon..
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Be nice once Rev gets back into the swing of updating their desktop
offering and the external interface.. The sample they released at a
Rev conference looks nice and has a sample of spawning a thread and
returning back to Rev..
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but also
have some specific urls that can trigger user-defined commands. So for the
external writers among us, using pipes or message queues for inter thread
communication is the best way?
Second question and this probably shows my lack of deep C and Rev Externals
knowledge is, how can we start some
Andre-
Friday, July 23, 2010, 12:17:47 PM, you wrote:
Second question and this probably shows my lack of deep C and Rev Externals
knowledge is, how can we start some eternal looping code in the external.
If you think about the question above, it is clear that something in the
main thread
Second question and this probably shows my lack of deep C and Rev
Externals
knowledge is, how can we start some eternal looping code in the
external.
If you think about the question above, it is clear that something in the
main thread needs to be tied to the other end of the pipe
have been able to overcome.
The first could hinder developing complicated externals for Revolution. FPC
does not support error handling in dynamic link libraries, so no try/finally
etc.. I believe this is due to the difficulty of coming up with a
cross-platform implementation. This limitation can
You see, Richmond, what you needed was regular expressions.
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On 07/08/2010 10:06 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
You see, Richmond, what you needed was regular expressions.
What I need is a da*n good holiday!
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Monday, July 5, 2010, 4:59:11 PM, you wrote:
Free Pascal. At the moment, I am testing calling a dynamic load
library written in Free Pascal from Rebol (a language written in C)
using C calling conventions.
Keep us posted on your progress - that's a promising start.
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Whoa! Pascal still lives?? Maybe I am not so old after all.
Bob
On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Peter-
Monday, July 5, 2010, 4:59:11 PM, you wrote:
Free Pascal. At the moment, I am testing calling a dynamic load
library written in Free Pascal from Rebol (a language
The 2010 version of Delphi is a killer development environment and the 2011
version will have cross-compile for OS X. You can tell its what I do a lot
of work in!
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM,
On 07/07/2010 08:56 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Whoa! Pascal still lives?? Maybe I am not so old after all.
Bob
Sorry to dash your illusions; I studied PASCAL 5 in 1985;
Thee and Me are alive, and so is PASCAL; neither Thee, not
Me, nor PASCAL are as young as we were in 1985.
Hey; anybody
am busy with some other (paying)
projects written in Revolution, and so the FPC Externals SDK really is
just a side project to do in those spare(?!) moments.
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Hi All,
Trying to gauge the potential interest in a Revolution Externals SDK
that could allow you to develop externals in Lazarus/Free Pascal.
Instead of requiring some form of C/C++ wrapper, which is the only
language that is currently supported by the official Externals SDK.
To be able
Hi Scott,
I would be interested. I used to program in Delphi a fair bit- though I am
purely an amateur.
I would certainly rather write externals in pascal than C. Like you I don't
have a lot of time, and I doubt I have the expertise, but I would be
interested in helping where I can.
cheers
I would be interested in programming externals in Pascal but I am
not familiar with the pascal you mentioned so I can't comment on
the choice of pascal.
-=JB=-
On Jul 5, 2010, at 1:49 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote:
Hi All,
Trying to gauge the potential interest in a Revolution Externals
SDK
to gauge the potential interest in a Revolution Externals SDK that
could allow you to develop externals in Lazarus/Free Pascal. Instead of
requiring some form of C/C++ wrapper, which is the only language that is
currently supported by the official Externals SDK.
To be able to write externals
a way since then, and I am hoping that the issues from
before may now be resolvable.
ooOOOoo
Before coming to Revolution, Pascal/Delphi was my language of choice
(which it still is for some types of projects) and so if I could write
Externals with it for Revolution
was my language of
choice (which it still is for some types of projects) and so if I
could write Externals with it for Revolution that would be a nice
productivity boost.
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Scott-
Things may have changed with Delphi, but I fear you may run into the
problem I had back in 2004 when I attempted this. See bug #1526. The
issue was the inability to coax Borland compilers into the proper
combination of compiler options to export symbols that the runrev
engine would
Argh! I remember that bug in 2005...
just commented and voted on it again.
argh!
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote:
Scott-
Things may have changed with Delphi, but I fear you may run into the
problem I had back in 2004 when I attempted this. See bug
-parties to develop add-ons.
Al
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Monday, July 5, 2010, 8:35:01 AM, you wrote:
Argh! I remember that bug in 2005...
just commented and voted on it again.
argh!
I wouldn't bother wasting votes on this. I finally pulled my votes
away and put them to better use on other bug reports. It's
A) filed as an enhancement, so
Thanks for the extra tips. At this stage I have only done a quick read
of the documentation of the Free Pascal Compiler, but from what I have
read it appears more flexible than the Borland compilers in terms of the
libraries it can produce.
But I won't really know what it is capable of until
Hi Scott
I am also be interested in being able to develop externals in Free Pascal. At
the moment, I am testing calling a dynamic load library written in Free Pascal
from Rebol (a language written in C) using C calling conventions.
It is impossible to get the level
of granularity of compiler
Just downloaded my first external from Shao and I love it. Where's
the best place(s) to get more? I only see a handful on the runrev
site.
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Just downloaded my first external from Shao and I love it.
thanks for the kind words..
Where's the best place(s) to get more? I only see a handful on the
runrev site.
i think the majority of externals written are to tackle an internal
issue and are not released to the public
Leopard and Snow Leopard, on an iMac and a MacBook Pro. It works fine.
The Snow Leopard MacBook had never seen the external before so it was a
clean install. I dropped ssMacWindows.bundle into the Externals folder
at Documents/My Revolution Enterprise/Externals/ and then launched Rev.
I made
Mark Wieder wrote:
So you need to create this folder yourself. Then you need to tell rev about
it:
Go to rev's preferences under Files Memory, click the browse button next
to User Extensions, and select the folder you just created.
So you and Jacque say. But I reiterate: This does not
config. Rev just looks at the Externals
folder contents and loads what it sees in there. It's worked the same
way for the last 10 years across all versions of Rev and in all
operating systems.
If you've already set up the external your original way (into the Rev
app folder itself
From: J. Landman Gay
If so, then it looks like I could
simplify my code, and just do everything in the startup handler.
That's what I do. :)
Okay, now I'm a little puzzled. I removed all the old stuff about creating a
template stack, adding the externals property to it, and then using
Le 4 mai 2010 à 04:37, Graham Heather Harrison a écrit :
Jacque wrote:
But look at the nice thread you started.
Yes, it has been very informative… and civilised.
Note: If you reference externals or externalPackages for me or this
stack, your new External will not appear.
Sorry
Okay, now I'm a little puzzled. I removed all the old stuff about creating a
template stack, adding the externals property to it, and then using it to
create a dummy stack. I then added the following code to my main stack
script:
on startup
if the platform is Win32 then
set
out what was going on. In the standalone, the startup handler
executes properly, and my external gets loaded from the adjacent externals
folder. In the IDE, my startup never gets called, so the property isn't
set, but a long time ago I stuck the external into Revolution's externals
folder, so
Mark Wieder wrote:
Try this in a button:
on mouseUp
answer file where is the library file?
if it is not empty then
set the externals of this stack to it
save this stack
revert
end if
end mouseUp
That's pretty much the same as the test I asked Graham to do before,
except
Paul D. DeRocco wrote:
From: J. Landman Gay
If so, then it looks like I could
simplify my code, and just do everything in the startup handler.
That's what I do. :)
Okay, now I'm a little puzzled. I removed all the old stuff about creating a
template stack, adding the externals property
of the
Church-of-we-don't-do-it-that-way/Denomination-rev/Sect-externals.
The main reasons given for not doing it my way (cue for another song?) is that
it won't work when I convert to a standalone, or when there is a new version of
rev. No matter how many times I say that this is for learning, everyone
From: Graham Heather Harrison
. As I have read (this thread or elsewhere) the handling of
Externals is different in the IDE and standalones. From the
discussion between Jacque and Paul this is not straightforward,
and is not handled in the documentation. It would appear that the
script
Graham Heather Harrison wrote:
Jacque, I wish using ../Documents/Revolution …/Externals was as
simple as you say. It really should be: put your external in, restart
rev, done, dusted, sorted. But no, you still have to write script in
each new stack to point to each External individually
Jacque wrote:
It works the simple way for me. I just dropped the external into that folder,
restarted Rev, made a new stack, and made a call to the external from the
stack script. Worked okay.
All aboard the Merry-go-round!
That looks like the place I came in. This still does not work for
site. Can anyone help me with contact information, or who best to ask at
Rev?
Jacque, you said that externals were difficult, and that there is a (steep)
learning curve for rev. That is proving true for me because I am using the
latest version of rev, on the latest Mac OS X. I am finding
you've probably done the right thing by asking here.
Jacque, you said that externals were difficult, and that there is a
(steep) learning curve for rev.
Well, I said I it wasn't *that* hard, but not something I'd jump into
right off while still learning Rev basics.
That is proving true
From: J. Landman Gay
I don't think so. As far as I know, nothing's changed in the way
externals work in years. There have been some new ways of forcing them
to load (new as of a few years ago,) but the underlying principle of
it is the same as always: externals only load when a stack
all the hassle of installing it
into the IDE. This method will not allow you to use the external in any
other stack. It's just a way for you to see how externals load, which is
really very simple: you provide a path to the external, which is stored
in the externals property of the stack. When
Paul D. DeRocco wrote:
From: J. Landman Gay
I don't think so. As far as I know, nothing's changed in the way
externals work in years. There have been some new ways of forcing them
to load (new as of a few years ago,) but the underlying principle of
it is the same as always: externals only load
From: J. Landman Gay
The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load
an external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed
was the standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm
not sure either how that works under the hood
Le 3 mai 2010 à 19:56, J. Landman Gay a écrit :
The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load an
external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed was the
standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm not sure
either how
was very simple, just to show
that the external did work and to get Graham started in the simplest way.
Both of you have brought up the issue of testing externals, and that's
one of the times that you really do need the temp stack method. Loading
on demand repeatedly is required
Jacque wrote:
on mouseUp
ssSetWindowModified the windowID of this stack, true
end mouseUp
Make sure you include the ss part of the ssSetWindowModified command. (In
one of your previous posts it was omitted.)
Well blow me down! If that doesn't bilge the barnacles.
All this time I
Graham Heather Harrison wrote:
Well blow me down! If that doesn't bilge the barnacles.
I've never heard that before! That's almost as good as linguistic
psychedelics from the Thread That Shall Not Be Named. :)
One of those times when, because there is a known difficulty,
everyone
From: J. Landman Gay
Startup is the only time you can set the externals of a stack and have
it work. The handler will never trigger during development because the
IDE gets the startup message. But when running as a standalone, the
mainstack will get a startup message and the externals get
Paul D. DeRocco wrote:
From: J. Landman Gay
Startup is the only time you can set the externals of a stack and have
it work. The handler will never trigger during development because the
IDE gets the startup message. But when running as a standalone, the
mainstack will get a startup message
the first thing that happens,
before any stacks load.
If not, does it get sent before preOpenStack?
Yes. Before everything.
Do I understand your example to
mean that it happens before the externals are loaded?
Yup. Which is why it's the only time you can set externals, because no
stacks
), and wants to try an External.
1) Ignore whatever is in User Extensions in Preferences/Files Memory. It will
not affect you at all.
2) Put your platform External into the equivalent of ../Revolution
Studio/4.0.0-gm-1/Externals
3) Update the Externals.txt file in the same folder to recognise your
/4.0.0-gm-1/Externals
No.
NoNoNoNo.
Really.
No.
See below.
3) Update the Externals.txt file in the same folder to recognise
your External. It is a one line addition. Follow the format of
current lines.
Please don't do this. See below
4) Start up rev and start writing scripts referencing
Graham-
Saturday, May 1, 2010, 8:56:43 PM, you wrote:
I started with the lesson I quoted but sort of diverged and only
had a small section of the code. By the time I posted the question
on revert I was more interested in just that, than the full
externals bit.
Your original message
Graham-
Friday, April 30, 2010, 10:34:00 PM, you wrote:
In the first rev lesson on externals at
http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7116-How-to-safely-attach-an-external-to-your-stack,
after saving the stack this statement is issued:
send revert to me in 5 ticks
Graham Heather Harrison wrote:
In the first rev lesson on externals at
http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7116-How-to-safely-attach-an-external-to-your-stack,
after saving the stack this statement is issued:
send revert to me in 5 ticks -- the equivalent of quit
Mark Wieder wrote:
Try looking in the externals instead of the externalPackages.
It wasn't me looking in the externalPackages, Guv. Honest to God. Never went
near 'em. Swelp me.
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Saturday, May 1, 2010, 5:03:01 PM, you wrote:
Mark Wieder wrote:
Try looking in the externals instead of the externalPackages.
It wasn't me looking in the externalPackages, Guv. Honest to God. Never went
near 'em. Swelp me.
Hmmm. You sure we're looking at the same lesson
Jacque and Mark (W)
I started with the lesson I quoted but sort of diverged and only had a small
section of the code. By the time I posted the question on revert I was more
interested in just that, than the full externals bit.
Jacque: I was wondering in the back of my mind how rev could
In the first rev lesson on externals at
http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7116-How-to-safely-attach-an-external-to-your-stack,
after saving the stack this statement is issued:
send revert to me in 5 ticks -- the equivalent of quit then restart.
When I use this under
In the rev Preferences there is a field User Extensions which has the file
path of the folder holding user externals. I can't get a tooltip on this, so
how do I access this from a rev script?
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geschreven:
In the rev Preferences there is a field User Extensions which has
the file path of the folder holding user externals. I can't get a
tooltip on this, so how do I access this from a rev script?
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point the stack's externals property to a relative file path.
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;-) and this function is not
available outside the IDE.
Maybe you don't need all this. The externals that I have inside the
Externals folder of the My Revolution folder load automatically.
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externals property to a relative file path.
sounds very good to me. As soon as I decipher the guide's explanation
I will give it a go.
In a nutshell: you need to attach the external to your stack. Externals
only load when the stack first opens. You can set the stack's externals
property and after
Jacque wrote:
For now, use a hard-coded file path specific to your Mac. Save the stack,
close it, reopen it, the external should be available. This isn't a portable
solution, due to the hard-coded file path, but it will let you continue
working and learning. You can fix it later.
Fair
Graham Heather Harrison wrote:
But I am a magpie learner (and always looking for elegant
solutions), so this seemed like a good time to chase up relative file
paths. The explanations in the guide and dictionary references, like
so many others, appear to have been written for people who knew it
Sean helped me with the placement. I put it in two places with the External.txt
file that contained ssMacWindows,ssmacwindows.bundle in both locations with
the bundles.
Documents/My Revolution Enterprise/Externals/
Documents/My Revolution Enterprise/Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/Externals
I am trying to use Shao Sean's ssMacWindows, following his instructions in
RevUp Issue 79. Wasn't sure If I should place the ssMacWindows162 folder into
~/Documents/My Revolution Studio/Externals/, or unpack it there, so tried both.
The first example is to create a field with the following
Graham Heather Harrison wrote:
I am trying to use Shao Sean's ssMacWindows, following his
instructions in RevUp Issue 79. Wasn't sure If I should place the
ssMacWindows162 folder into ~/Documents/My Revolution
Studio/Externals/, or unpack it there, so tried both.
The first example is to create
Jacque wrote:
Rev can't find the external. The handler it's missing is one of the
calls in the external library.
So since I put it where instructed, and where rev Preferences says to look, why
is it missing?
Externals are a little bit advanced. They aren't hard exactly but I'm
not sure
by setting the externals property of a stack to
the path to the DLL or bundle. It's possible to set the property of the main
stack manually, and then save the app; when you restart the app, it will
load the external. However, for cross-platform apps the external name will
be different (foo.dll
it. Or, alternately, you need to set
up the IDE to automatically use it. You can do the first by setting the
externals property of the stack (the first lesson), you can do the
second by setting up the IDE folder and loading structures (the second
lesson.) Unless you plan to use this external in every stack
http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/advanced-externals-part-1/
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Just responding to myself, for the sake of anyone else who uses
Valentina 2 with libDatabase. I am sure that most people will be
using Sql Yoga, still...
I have only been trying out the basic functionality of libDatabase,
and but that is working. These were the issues I came across:
1)
On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
Just responding to myself, for the sake of anyone else who uses
Valentina 2 with libDatabase. I am sure that most people will be
using Sql Yoga, still...
...
I know it's late in the day, but thanks Trevor for providing us with
such a
Thanks Trevor. I expect to be on my own with LibDatabase now. I can
understand your focus is on Sql Yoga right now.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com wrote:
3rd party externals are traditionally added to the User Extensions folder.
This folder is usually
On 1/9/10 1:46 PM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bernard,
Thanks Trevor. I expect to be on my own with LibDatabase now. I can
understand your focus is on Sql Yoga right now.
May be there is sense to use just Valentina API?
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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin
ruslan_zasuk...@valentina-db.com wrote:
On 1/9/10 1:46 PM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bernard,
Thanks Trevor. I expect to be on my own with LibDatabase now. I can
understand your focus is on Sql Yoga right now.
May be
I used to use Trevor's libdatabase with SQLite but now I use valentina with
the Valentina API. It really makes sense and is not that difficult to put in
place.
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On Jan 7, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
I'm kind of confused about how externals are supposed to be registered
these days. I ran the Valentina installer, and it made no changes to
the Revolution program directories (i.e. it did not add itself to the
list of externals in the Externals
, but LibDatabase appeals
to me).
I'm kind of confused about how externals are supposed to be registered
these days. I ran the Valentina installer, and it made no changes to
the Revolution program directories (i.e. it did not add itself to the
list of externals in the Externals text file, nor add
LibDatabase library. (I know that
it's kind of 'old hat' compared to SQL Yoga, but LibDatabase appeals
to me).
I'm kind of confused about how externals are supposed to be registered
these days. I ran the Valentina installer, and it made no changes to
the Revolution program directories (i.e
Hello,
Can someone give me the code for setting the externals of a stack on a Mac
Standalone? On PC it is:
put (PathToTheExternalsDir slash Externals slash
ExternalName.dll cr) after tExternals
set the externals of this stack to tExternals
On Mac there is an ExternalName.bundle which
Le 16 nov. 09 à 18:22, Jim Bufalini a écrit :
Hello,
Can someone give me the code for setting the externals of a stack
on a Mac
Standalone? On PC it is:
Have a look at runrev lessons.
Trevor did a nice lesson about this.
HTH,
Thierry
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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Setting Stack Externals on Mac
Le 16 nov. 09 à 18:22, Jim Bufalini a écrit :
Hello,
Can someone give me the code
these three functions to work fine in a revlet (which gave me access
to externals support through the back door by allowing the revlet to launch
a separate invisible Rev standalone which had externals enabled).
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that on my own earlier, but since I missed it, perhaps others might
as well. Changing those settings enabled these three functions to
work fine in a revlet (which gave me access to externals support
through the back door by allowing the revlet to launch a separate
invisible Rev standalone
but are folders...
So the reference to the externals should logically be :
myapp.app/Contents/MacOs/Externals/myexternal.bundles
And it does work fine!!
Robert M.
paolo mazza wrote:
IN MACOSX 10.4.10 Intel
I tryed everything under the sun to load the libkiosk.bundle external
too
is not, ultimately, a good solution to limitations of RunRev as
a software producer should be able to produce a single
package that can be compiled to run on any target platform.
The problem about externals (whether 'externals' as understood
in the xTalk universe, or external applications
, but since I missed it, perhaps others might as well.
Changing those settings enabled these three functions to work fine in a
revlet (which gave me access to externals support through the back door
by allowing the revlet to launch a separate invisible Rev standalone
which had externals enabled
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