Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-02 Thread François Chaplais
Le 2 mars 2010 à 08:45, G.Wolfgang Gaich a écrit : Hello all, I didn't read all the mails of this thread. My suggestion: In Ubuntu go to System/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts. Activate Subpixel smoothing and click on details. There you can adjust the resolution (dpi) to the needs of

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-02 Thread Andre.Bisseret
Le 2 mars 10 à 16:41, François Chaplais a écrit : Le 2 mars 2010 à 08:45, G.Wolfgang Gaich a écrit : Hello all, I didn't read all the mails of this thread. My suggestion: In Ubuntu go to System/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts. Activate Subpixel smoothing and click on details. There you can

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-02 Thread François Chaplais
Le 2 mars 2010 à 17:56, Andre.Bisseret a écrit : I have read this thread on Apple mail, and at some point (pun intended) I realized I could zoom and de-zoom the messages by pinching or spreading my fingers on the touchpad, from the hardly visible to waaay too enlarged. Now, if rev could

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-02 Thread Andre.Bisseret
Le 2 mars 10 à 18:15, François Chaplais a écrit : Le 2 mars 2010 à 17:56, Andre.Bisseret a écrit : I have read this thread on Apple mail, and at some point (pun intended) I realized I could zoom and de-zoom the messages by pinching or spreading my fingers on the touchpad, from the hardly

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
it doesn't matter which window manager you use. Its Rev. Its got to be fixed. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1573367.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread J. Landman Gay
Peter Alcibiades wrote: But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/03/2010 18:22, J. Landman Gay wrote: Since I know little about any of this, I'll just add the info as it was passed to me: Rev needs X11 fonts. It only works with those. Tiny fonts are caused by the font server in use. A customer who had the same issue wrote: It was my font server,

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Bob Sneidar
If I had to guess, it's the fact that Win and Apple use graphics engines that can render smaller objects with greater detail, and so there is no need to make objects larger in order to make them look better. Bob On Feb 28, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Since the days of Motif,

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
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Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/03/2010 20:15, Peter Alcibiades wrote: What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes? What tendency??? There isn't any such tendency, as far as I can see. None. Maybe its something to do with Ubuntu and how they configure things out of the box? Dunno. But it is

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Peter Alcibiades wrote: This is really puzzling. The thing I do see is that Rev's IDE on Linux is grotesquely small, and the dictionary font is grotesquely small. I'm really surprised in this age of political correctness that Rev considers it acceptable because it must be simply unusable by a

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
fonts in Linux? There must be someone who knows, and if he or she will just tell us, we can probably figure out how to work along with it. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574085.html Sent from the Revolution - User

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/03/2010 20:40, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: This is really puzzling. The thing I do see is that Rev's IDE on Linux is grotesquely small, and the dictionary font is grotesquely small. I'm really surprised in this age of political correctness that Rev considers it

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread J. Landman Gay
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference. The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not. Is there not someone in the development group who could just

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/03/2010 21:25, J. Landman Gay wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference. The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not. Is there not

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 01/03/2010 20:40, Richard Gaskin wrote: ... I took a minute this morning to take some screen shots of Rev and OS controls on Ubuntu/Gnome, Win XP, and OS X: http://fourthworldlabs.com/revfonts/ Frankly, Richard, it looks as though you took quite some time and

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Now here's a thought: On Mac there is a folder called .font in the user's Home folder (you cannot see it because the DOT makes it invisible): RunRev DOES NOT see fonts there. Try it. So it is probably rather daft to expect RunRev to see fonts in the same folder in Linux. Something tells me

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Now how does: 1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a system? Use Synaptic and look them up - it will show you what's installed and what is available. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
I checked and it is known to Synaptic as libpango, and its installed. With quite a few subsidiary libraries. It probably came as a dependency with Gtk, in which case most all distros will have it. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
revFontLoad, on Mac and Win, means I can load any silly old font I like from any silly old location into my stack and use it. Were revFontLoad to work in Linux I have a funny feeling that almost all the font problems would be solved, or, at least ameliorated to such an extent that everybody

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 01/03/2010 22:51, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Now how does: 1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a system? Use Synaptic and look them up - it will show you what's installed and what is available. Peter I really am a bit thick at times . . . :)

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Before I trudged off to the Gnome Usability List with my questions, I figured I owed it to them and myself to first dig up what I can on my own. Glad I did - here are some highlights: [Usability] Gnome is Too BIG.. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2008-March/msg00010.html Gnome is

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hi Richard. It may be rather tedious, but when I developed in Foxpro, there were always these kinds of issues. What a font looked like in Windows was NOT what it looked like in the Mac OS. So the initialization program set up variables with fonts and sizes based upon what platform you were

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: What would REALLY be nice, is if there were properties in Rev for Default Field Font, Default Label Font, Default Button font etc, with sizes and styles to match. Then it would be a simple matter of changing the defaults depending on what platform you were running. As

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
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Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Wieder
Peter- Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:36:15 PM, you wrote: see any difference in this whatever the window manager. So maybe this is something Rev is doing in Gtk? And if so, why on earth are they doing it? How about launching revolution from the commandline instead of double-clicking the icon?

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Peter Alcibiades
:~/ Studio4.0.0-gm-1$ ./revolution and it starts up. Maybe we have to do something with X-Freetype font rendering, however one might go about that? Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574539.html Sent from the Revolution

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Wieder
Peter- Interesting. On Ubuntu I get mwie...@mwieder-ubuntu:~/revolution/3.5.0-gm-2$ ./revolution Will try and use Shared Memory extensions XVideo extensions available? : No Will use X-Freetype font rendering Using Pango complex text layout *** glibc detected *** ./revolution double free or

Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-03-01 Thread G.Wolfgang Gaich
Hello all, I didn't read all the mails of this thread. My suggestion: In Ubuntu go to System/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts. Activate Subpixel smoothing and click on details. There you can adjust the resolution (dpi) to the needs of your display. dpi = xres x 2.54 / the width of your display For

fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?

2010-02-28 Thread Richard Gaskin
The font prefs in Ubuntu (Gnome) show 10 as the default point size for most applications, including the fonts used in menus. Yet in Rev, setting the textSize to 12 is still much smaller, and only when I bump it to 14 does it get even close to what Ubuntu considers 10. So what is a point in