In a message dated 28/12/02 2:31:39 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Having just posted a defence of moving the cursor in the context of measuring
reaction times, I will now cite an example of when it is *very* irritating.
My three button logitech mouseware does move the cursor to default
From: Jeanne A. E. DeVoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: setting pointer location
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 11:30 AM -0800 12/28/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...and while I am on, how do you replicate the 'step'
parameter in Hypercard
repeats? I want to put a return after every
On Sunday, Dec 29, 2002, at 11:08 Australia/Sydney, Alan Gayne wrote:
Let me know how it works out.
I like it. The card has two groups (not in the Rev sense but logically
connected) of fields plus sundry other data. I use two modeless dialogs
to complete each the two field sets when needed.
Happy New Year David,
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, at 10:27 PM, David Vaughan wrote:
In normal use there is no significant difference between having it
modal or modeless but the latter is a slight advantage to me where the
user can pause to adjust something else, affecting a calculated
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 15:10 Australia/Sydney, Alan Gayne wrote:
Happy New Year David,
Thanks Alan, hope it is a good one for you.
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, at 10:27 PM, David Vaughan wrote:
In normal use there is no significant difference between having it
modal or modeless
At 11:30 AM -0800 12/28/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...and while I am on, how do you replicate the 'step' parameter in Hypercard
repeats? I want to put a return after every third line between lines 3 and
168 of a field.
This is in 2.0.
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Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Runtime
Why modeless instead of modal dialogs?
Alan, David, et al:
My initial thought was to use modal dialogs, as one goal is to
prevent the user from visiting other portions of the app until the
input process is completed.
OTOH, a modeless dialog would allow the user to, for example,
copy/paste
Here is an altogether different approach to solving the original
measured response problem. Use a different input method.
I don't know if this program is for general distribution or for a
specific center. You could either use a touchscreen or trackpad with a
template. Trackpads cost less than
An off-the-wall thought:
Using dialogs for field input allows those who don't want to (by
script) move the pointer over the button to instead move the button
under the pointer using intelligent dialog positioning.
--
Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm
Just so Rob.
I think of it as similar to the interview feature in programs such as
Tax Cut, which is a perfect example of what I previously referred to
as a data critical situation.
Alan Gayne
On Sunday, December 29, 2002, at 06:10 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:
An off-the-wall thought:
Using
In a message dated 27/12/02 4:22:39 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
entry clerks for over 15 years.
In HyperCard and Revolution, I control cursor positioning by locking
all fields initially and unlocking tabbing to individual fields.
I personally think the HIG guideline
I personally think the HIG guideline against moving the cursor should
NOT be accepted at face value: if it makes sense to you in your
design, do it and see how it turns out.
It's enough to give one Fitts (sorry to perpetuate one of the most tired
puns in the usability word). :)
Fitts' Law
I don't know if this is a good idea or not but it might be worth
considering.
Instead of relocating the mouse, simply hide it until it is moved. That
way the user doesn't really seem to start from the same location even
though they actually are. Each question would present the user with no
Bill Vlahos wrote:
Instead of relocating the mouse, simply hide it until it is moved. That
way the user doesn't really seem to start from the same location even
though they actually are. Each question would present the user with no
predetermined location for the mouse as the first time they
On Sunday, Dec 29, 2002, at 04:30 Australia/Sydney, Rob Cozens wrote:
OenoLog takes a middle ground: while the field cursor tabs to the open
field (leaving the mouse cursor in its original location as David
noted),
...further refining this difference between data entry and general
mouse
On Sunday, Dec 29, 2002, at 08:16 Australia/Sydney, Alan Gayne wrote:
Hi David,
Why modeless instead of modal dialogs?
Alan, because I imagined (I haven't written it yet) that the dialogs
could float about, available, and used simply by bringing them to the
front. The entry fields they are
In a message dated 28/12/02 2:31:39 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
it in HyperTalk; but it occurred to me that OenoLog's button-driven
interface might benefit operationally if the mouse cursor could be
positioned over the next default button via script.
Having just posted a defence of
Let me know how it works out.
Alan
On Saturday, December 28, 2002, at 04:53 PM, David Vaughan wrote:
On Sunday, Dec 29, 2002, at 08:16 Australia/Sydney, Alan Gayne wrote:
Hi David,
Why modeless instead of modal dialogs?
Alan, because I imagined (I haven't written it yet) that the dialogs
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 26/12/02 4:57:55 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi David,
I gather you're using a 'scale' control? In that
case,
the last tab in its Properties is 'Scrollbar' -- as
RunRev treats scale objects as a special type of
scrollbar.
There are a lot of things I haven't found in the docs so don't feel
bad. Thanks to Jan for mentioning it doesn't work in OS X. I forgot to
say it. It does work in the 2.0 alpha for OS X.
Bill Vlahos
On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 04:40 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
At any rate, don't feel bad
On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 10:54 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:
In HyperCard and Revolution, I control cursor positioning by locking
all fields initially and unlocking tabbing to individual fields.
I personally think the HIG guideline against moving the cursor should
NOT be accepted at face
--- Rob Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I personally think the HIG guideline against moving
the cursor
should NOT be accepted at face value: if it makes
sense to you in
your design, do it and see how it turns out.
Is that the rant you were expecting, Jan?:{`)
--
Rob Cozens
when it comes to smart data entry, I don't worry about the cursor
at all. I lock ALL of the fields - and then, depending on the
required situation, I use a predetermined sequence of ask and/or
answer dialogs to fill the fields in the order I want them filled.
Interesting concept, Alan.
*lol* Exactly the response I figured my statement was
going to provoke ;-)
Oh dear! I'm becoming too predictable an olde foole...but at least
consistent in my beliefs.:{`)
--
Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm
And I, which was two fooles, do so
On Saturday, Dec 28, 2002, at 08:57 Australia/Sydney, Rob Cozens wrote:
The former action obviously works well while the latter I personally
abjure when writing and object to when using.
My question, David, would be, Is you abjuration theoretical or based
on experience where the technique
On Saturday, Dec 28, 2002, at 13:19 Australia/Sydney, David Vaughan
wrote:
snip
One place I encountered it is certain confirmation dialogs in Windows.
... if the idea of a confirmation dialog is to make sure the user
really wants to take this more serious action, why turn the action
into a
I want users to make a rating of a series of images. When the scale appears,
I want the cursor to be at the mid-point. This is to minimise bias and
artefact arising from the initial pointer position being random (responses
are also timed, so I want all users to have the same start point.
So.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want users to make a rating of a series of images.
When the scale appears,
I want the cursor to be at the mid-point. This is
to minimise bias and
artefact arising from the initial pointer position
being random (responses
are also timed, so I want all
David,
Try this:
set the screenMouseLoc to globalLoc(the location of button one)
I've used button one in the example but you can set it to whatever
object you want.
Bill Vlahos
On Thursday, December 26, 2002, at 02:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want users to make a rating of a
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