Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 08:38, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Apple is in it for the money? Really? I thought they were a non-profit like Microsoft and Google. Stupid me. Yes, really! They are in the profit for it as the Linux people are also, only their model is different. Nobody is in the computer

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Jeffrey Massung
On Apr 29, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 29/04/2010 08:38, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Apple is in it for the money? Really? I thought they were a non-profit like Microsoft and Google. Stupid me. Yes, really! They are in the profit for it as the Linux people are also,

RE: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
I was being facetious (thought that was obvious). The level of anger voiced in this thread certainly exposes selfish profit centered motives. That fact alone needed to be exposed before things got too obnoxious. My bet is that mr jobs would love to keep the development and source as open as

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Jeff Massung
Sorry for missing it (tone sucks in email). ;-) I haven't really been following any of the Steve Jobs or new iP* TOS agreement threads, but I do need to say I agree with most everything you stated. I don't know when this was posted to Apple's site and if it's already been discussed here

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 18:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I was being facetious (thought that was obvious). The level of anger voiced in this thread certainly exposes selfish profit centered motives. That fact alone needed to be exposed before things got too obnoxious. My bet is that mr jobs would

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 18:26, Jeff Massung wrote: Sorry for missing it (tone sucks in email). ;-) I haven't really been following any of the Steve Jobs or new iP* TOS agreement threads, but I do need to say I agree with most everything you stated. I don't know when this was posted to Apple's site

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Richard Gaskin
Jeff Massung wrote: Most importantly, as it likely pertains to Rev and other middle-ware developers working with Apple on their TOS: We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
I suspect that anyone who has to have a newer, bigger fridge every year either just love having a newer, bigger fridge, or didn't plan very well, and continue to make that mistake every year. We still have an original iMac (the ugliest green ever to ooze from the warped minds of seriously

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 19:40, Bob Sneidar wrote: I suspect that anyone who has to have a newer, bigger fridge every year either just love having a newer, bigger fridge, or didn't plan very well, and continue to make that mistake every year. We still have an original iMac (the ugliest green ever to

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Jeff Massung
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Jeff Massung wrote: Most importantly, as it likely pertains to Rev and other middle-ware developers working with Apple on their TOS: We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
I think the source of whatever disagreements are being had in this thread stem from a tendency for people to misperceive the nature of the world they actually have to deal with day to day, and their ability to make any real quantum change in it's nature. This is driven by the seemingly

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
Yes, that was what they called it. I believe that if real Turquoise could speak, it would express vehement dismay for the association with the actual color Apple used. :-) Bob On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 29/04/2010 19:40, Bob Sneidar wrote: I suspect that

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Jerry Daniels
Really nice post, Bob. Thanks. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On Apr 29, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: I think the source of whatever disagreements are being had in this thread

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
It's funny to read the replies in regards to the advertisement on apples page. Steven knows exactly what he's doing, and getting the internet to spin in tune with his demands is as easy as posting a slightly warped factsheet about how it's not at all about power, or making a loser out of

RE: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
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RE: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
yes... Apple's actual response. Thank you. Another realist. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 20:17, Bob Sneidar wrote: snip Bob Dear Bob, I am well aware how the real world works. Knowing that doesn't stop me from imagining that it might be a shade (just a shade) better than it is. I also pointed out my belief that, while people do do many, seemingly, altruistic

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 20:20, Bob Sneidar wrote: Yes, that was what they called it. I believe that if real Turquoise could speak, it would express vehement dismay for the association with the actual color Apple used. :-) More a virulent, vaguely polluted, tropical lagoon sort of colour. When the

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 29/04/2010 20:33, Björnke von Gierke wrote: snip Of course cross platform tools increase the lag of uptake on new technology, and they always look awkward (yes, Rev does look awkward on all platforms). But then, they allow developers to produce one product, and get it to customers on

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Devin Asay
On Apr 29, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 29/04/2010 20:20, Bob Sneidar wrote: Yes, that was what they called it. I believe that if real Turquoise could speak, it would express vehement dismay for the association with the actual color Apple used. :-) More a virulent,

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
Right. I was supporting your point there. :-) Bob On Apr 29, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 29/04/2010 20:17, Bob Sneidar wrote: snip Bob Dear Bob, I am well aware how the real world works. Knowing that doesn't stop me from imagining that it might be a shade

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
I actually had the opportunity (well obligation seeing I was one of the crew on a United States warship at the time) to visit Sydney, and being a young sailor who visited nude beaches every chance I could get, I spent a couple hours there. It was quite beautiful, even then. It may no longer be

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Peter Brigham MD
On Apr 29, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: It's funny to read the replies in regards to the advertisement on apples page. Steven knows exactly what he's doing, and getting the internet to spin in tune with his demands is as easy as posting a slightly warped factsheet about how

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-29 Thread Peter Brigham MD
Good post. It's time to be a realist. I read Jobs' essay as laying out his thinking reasonably clearly, but with some slanting -- probably this is just the way he is, remember the reality-distortion field after all. In particular, I'd have a little more respect for him without the

RE: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-28 Thread Alejandro Tejada
the breeze?... ;-) Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-GameOver-Mr-Jobs-tp2062566p2074872.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list

RE: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-28 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
Apple is in it for the money? Really? I thought they were a non-profit like Microsoft and Google. Stupid me. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-26 Thread Bob Sneidar
GAWD you guys! Everyone loves the underdog, that is until he succeeds, and then he becomes Darth Vader to everyone. Every despot starts out at least thinking he is making the world a better place. But then, supposing you are the benevolent dictator, what do you do with all the other guys who

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-26 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 26/04/2010 20:44, Bob Sneidar wrote: GAWD you guys! Everyone loves the underdog, that is until he succeeds, and then he becomes Darth Vader to everyone. Every despot starts out at least thinking he is making the world a better place. But then, supposing you are the benevolent dictator,

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-26 Thread Marian Petrides
Only the part of the world that actually INTERESTS him. ;-) On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I'm just glad Steve Jobs is not trying to take over the world. (Is he?) ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-26 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 26/04/2010 20:58, Marian Petrides wrote: Only the part of the world that actually INTERESTS him. ;-) On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I'm just glad Steve Jobs is not trying to take over the world. (Is he?) Richmond Mathewson did not write the above: Bob S did.

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Can we put this to sleep now?? On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 26/04/2010 20:44, Bob Sneidar wrote: GAWD you guys! Everyone loves the underdog, that is until he succeeds, and then he becomes Darth Vader to everyone. Every despot starts out at least thinking

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-26 Thread zryip theSlug
2010/4/26 Thomas McGrath III mcgra...@mac.com: Can we put this to sleep now?? Why the words sleep or sleeping are all the time back in this list. Is it a bunch of marmots here? -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc

RE: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-26 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
Will someone please come right out and list the ways that their own life is going to suck now that mr jobs excluded rev from the blessed development environments list? Lets personalized this paranoia and frustration. Like criss rock said, I haven't seen white people this pissed off since they

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-24 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 4:53 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Next, can we do elephant jokes and dead baby jokes? I bet there are people here who aren't old enough to remember those. Come to think of it, I'm old enough to have forgotten most of them. Your not serious are

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-24 Thread Sarah Reichelt
Next, can we do elephant jokes and dead baby jokes? I bet there are people here who aren't old enough to remember those. Come to think of it, I'm old enough to have forgotten most of them. Your not serious are you. My kids come home from school and tell me ALL the same jokes that we told

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-24 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.comwrote: LOL! I only heard that one last week, only it was about moth balls :-) Ah yes, one the whole world can enjoy:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-24 Thread Peter Brigham MD
On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: From: bar...@libero.it Nothing is sacred! You can now run Android and all its programmes on your iPhone! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/22/android_iphone/ I probably will not be the first with this notice but I can try. They call it

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-24 Thread Jeffrey Massung
On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: They call it duel-boot. Is that a Freudian slip, or just an ordinary one? An ordinary one. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother. Adding to my random .sig. I actually LOL'ed when I read that. :-) Jeff

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-24 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 24/04/2010 19:31, Jeffrey Massung wrote: On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: They call it duel-boot. Is that a Freudian slip, or just an ordinary one? An ordinary one. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother. Interestingly enough, when I was a boy,

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-24 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 24/04/2010 00:00, François Chaplais wrote: This one was from communist Eastern Germany. Do you know why toilet paper is called Stalin's Revenge there? because if can't make you heart red, it certainly makes your ass the right color. I have never tried cleaning a donkey with toilet

[OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-23 Thread bar...@libero.it
Nothing is sacred! You can now run Android and all its programmes on your iPhone! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/22/android_iphone/ I probably will not be the first with this notice but I can try. Barry Barber ___ use-revolution mailing list

RE: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-23 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
From: bar...@libero.it Nothing is sacred! You can now run Android and all its programmes on your iPhone! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/22/android_iphone/ I probably will not be the first with this notice but I can try. They call it duel-boot. Is that a Freudian slip, or just an

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 23/04/2010 21:49, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: From: bar...@libero.it Nothing is sacred! You can now run Android and all its programmes on your iPhone! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/22/android_iphone/ I probably will not be the first with this notice but I can try. They call it

RE: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-23 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
From: Richmond Mathewson After the famous 1984 commercial by Apple it is all rather sad to see Steve Jobs in the role of all-knowing, all-seeing dictator. The fact that some engineers have managed to crash Android through the Iron Curtain has got to be good; and, I hope, will make Steve

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-23 Thread François Chaplais
Reminds me of an old IT joke: Today I have manage to emulate a 4 digit calculator on my DEC-Alpha. Tomorrow I will do the reverse. chers, François Le 23 avr. 2010 à 19:12, bar...@libero.it a écrit : Nothing is sacred! You can now run Android and all its programmes on your iPhone!

Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

2010-04-23 Thread Colin Holgate
On Apr 23, 2010, at 4:04 PM, François Chaplais wrote: Today I have manage to emulate a 4 digit calculator on my DEC-Alpha. Tomorrow I will do the reverse. A related quote about Seymour Cray: When he was told that Apple Computer had just bought a Cray to help design the next Apple

Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
François Chaplais wrote: Reminds me of an old IT joke: Today I have manage to emulate a 4 digit calculator on my DEC-Alpha. Tomorrow I will do the reverse. :) Reminds me of an old soviet joke from some years ago: Capitalism is the exploitation of one man by another. Communism is exactly the

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-23 Thread Colin Holgate
On Apr 23, 2010, at 4:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: :) Reminds me of an old soviet joke from some years ago: Capitalism is the exploitation of one man by another. Communism is exactly the opposite. That version doesn't work quite as well as the way I heard it. In your version it sounds

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-23 Thread Devin Asay
On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: :) Reminds me of an old soviet joke from some years ago: Capitalism is the exploitation of one man by another. Communism is exactly the opposite. Which, in turn, reminds me of yet another soviet joke: In the Soviet Union we have

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
Colin Holgate wrote: That version doesn't work quite as well as the way I heard it. You're probably right. My brain is only half here today. It's Friday. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
Devin Asay wrote: On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: :) Reminds me of an old soviet joke from some years ago: Capitalism is the exploitation of one man by another. Communism is exactly the opposite. Which, in turn, reminds me of yet another soviet joke: In the Soviet Union

Re: Bad jokes [was: Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs]

2010-04-23 Thread François Chaplais
This one was from communist Eastern Germany. Do you know why toilet paper is called Stalin's Revenge there? because if can't make you heart red, it certainly makes your ass the right color. Le 23 avr. 2010 à 22:20, J. Landman Gay a écrit : :) Reminds me of an old soviet joke from some years