Hi Troy,
I have a new state-of-the-art tablet PC. It is a heavy piece of
poorly-designed junk. Until the entire market matures it isn't worth
spending much time on IMO
Is your TPC a convertible design [essentially a laptop where the
screen folds over backwards] or a slate design [no attached
On Jul 12, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:
Is your TPC a convertible design [essentially a laptop where the
screen folds over backwards] or a slate design [no attached
keyboard]? If the former, you made the wrong hardware choice,
IMO. Why lug a keyboard everywhere when it isn't
LOL, Dan:
Because like my wife's housekeeper, I don't do Windows! But I also no longer
bash them.
Kudos!
Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.
from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631)
Hi Mark,
the reason I asked 'what's the market share for tablet PCs?' (I
don't know the answer, either) was simply the title of this thread
I can see how my post might appear off topic of the [OT] topic if
one hadn't followed the complete thread.
By my count, at least three separate
Jim,
I would wait until
it [TPC technology] became available on the Mac, if it ever did
And I have serious doubts that it ever will. :-(
* Other than the graphic tablet for touch-screen input, TPC
technology is all in the O/S.
* The general consensus on this thread seems to be that
Rob... From my perspective, given that there were several subdiscussions in
this thread, is that Steve Jobs is pursuing his 20 year vision of creating
the toaster computer within his niche and that comparing the market share of
Apple and MS has no real meaning... Jim
on 7/10/06 1:59 PM, Rob
On Jul 10, 2006, at 12:59 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:
* TPC technology has been on the market for something like four to
six years, including a major software update in 2005. If and when
Apple competes in this market, they will be way behind.
Much like they were with music players.
I have a
Rob, I didn't mean that I was trying to guide you or anyone back to
the topic, it just seemed like an appropriate (if a bit hypothetical)
question given the title of the thread.
And look! We're now into a fourth discussion :)
Best,
Mark
On 10 Jul 2006, at 16:37, Rob Cozens wrote:
Hi
On 7/9/06, Mark Swindell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Niether fanning nor dousing, but I thought this an interesting tidbit.
-Mark
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/7/8/4569
Interesting, especially when someone sent me this today.
Very interesting and basically supports the core of this thread... Jim
on 7/8/06 9:19 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
Niether fanning nor dousing, but I thought this an interesting tidbit.
-Mark
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/7/8/4569
Thank Intel + BootCamp.
Jim Carwardine
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Very interesting and basically supports the core of this thread... Jim
on 7/8/06 9:19 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
Niether fanning nor dousing, but I thought this an interesting tidbit.
-Mark
Jim,
Your response to my post could have been written by me -- four years ago.
My first personal computer was an original IBM PC. My second was a
Mac SE/3O, and I never owned a computer running Windows until I
bought a Motion M13OO Tablet PC.
When friends asked, should I buy a Mac or a PC
Rob, I think you'd have to admit that this is a fairly narrow, one-
issue view. Essentially, what you're saying is that Windows does
tablet, and Mac doesn't.
What's the market share for tablet PCs?
Not that I mean that we should all ignore tablet PCs, far from it, in
fact it illustrates
Feeling grungy about the use of both a few posts back re OS's - I use Windows
2000, about 4 types of Linux (on a regular basis), Mac OS X and Mac OS 9
(Classic): the only reason I don't, at present, use RISC OS 5, is that I have
to find a way to pay for an Iyonix {By-Ther-Way - several schools
Mark, et al:
I think you'd have to admit that this is a fairly narrow, one-issue
view. Essentially, what you're saying is that Windows does tablet,
and Mac doesn't.
I don't think so:
* My TPC is just as stable--perhaps more so--than the Mac OSX boxes
I'm running
* I've replaced the
Mark, et al:
What's the market share for tablet PCs?
I brought up the TPC in response to the assertion that Apple
technology was light years ahead of Windows, and I don't have a
clue as to the TPC's current market share...
but I am willing to bet it will grow to make it the platform
of
Bill Marriott wrote:
Thank Intel + BootCamp.
End users can thank Intel and BootCamp, but for Mac developers nothing
could be more of a threat.
Since the beginning of Macdom, writing for the Mac was a choice you had
to make, often a fairly expensive choice. But a lot of developers bit
It's possible you're right. But, I think this was the only way for them to
get a certain, very large, group of people to even consider the Apple
operating system. (There's essentially no Apple hardware anymore as we knew
it.)
The MacBook is the first Apple product I've considered purchasing in
OSX is much
safer just because it inherits all the secure environment from nix...
All the best!
Viktoras
---Original Message---
From: Richard Gaskin
Date: 07/09/06 22:43:14
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: [OT] Market Share
Bill Marriott wrote:
Thank Intel
Rob, I think that your response to new computer buyers is the best advice
anyone could ever give.
I bought a Mac in 1985 and it was my first computer. I bought it for 2
reasons, first, after 17 years in the computer industry, it was the first
personal computer I could rationalize because I
Bill and Richard
I couldn't agree with you more. I would only add that it's much
harder to develop for a moving target, aka the Mac OSX, than the major
update every 5 years with Windows.
Frankly, I'm in the minority as I *much* prefer *not* having to
purchase an update for my OS every year. I
Wow, this latest round of messages constitutes one of the nicest, most
informative and useful threads on this subject I've read in a while.
Congratulations to all of you who have participated recently.
I am certainly a Mac bigot. But I no longer see Mac and OS X as inherently
vastly superior to
Rob, the reason I asked 'what's the market share for tablet PCs?' (I
don't know the answer, either) was simply the title of this thread. I
certainly wasn't trying to disparage TPCs.
I assume most modern OSes to be generally stable, though as a mac-
user of many years I'd have to say that
That may be the developers view - what about the users?
I am not a professional developer, and as a user (I have 10.4 on a PB
for personal stuff, 10.3 on a 7 year old 350Mhz G3 that runs as a
print server and other things, and 10.2 on a dual G4 that runs my
music stuff) I have not found
Hi Mark,
On 7/9/06, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having
said that, I've generaly avoided the bleeding edge, and I tend to
only upgrade anything when there is a fairly compelling reason to,
like some new feature that I might actually use :)
Generally speaking, a great bit of advice for
I was an HC developer in the early 90's but gave up and became a user simply
because it was too difficult to keep up with the changes in the industry. I
can only imagine the intensity of effort required to stay current and
relevant on multiple platforms. No wonder Rev is so important. No wonder
On Monday 10 July 2006 05:45, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Then along came BootCamp, and eventually a variant which further blurs
the lines between Mac and Windows apps. When that version arrives, there
will be little incentive to support Mac developers -- and that includes
cross platform developers
On Monday 10 July 2006 04:12, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
There are 2 definitions of a killer app and the one I don't like is the
amazing app that ties users in to a dependence on one OS for ever.
Agreed. People are generally less and less happy with being locked in to
anything...
Wouldn't it
Rob...
I should have been more clear on what I meant. I don't argue that there are
refinements on the PC that don't appear on the Mac, as you have listed. One
would have to expect that given the proliferation of PC's as an economic
base for such things...
I'm not techy either, just a person
I'm going to have to duck the troll this time. Though shooting ducks
on the pond is a favorite pastime, and these are right there and up
close ;-)
-Chipp
On 7/8/06, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not techy either, just a person who has been around computers since Adam
- or so it
Yeah... Lets end this thread. No need to rekindle any comparison wars.
Simple fact is, I'm in both niches and thankful that Rev is too. I wouldn't
be a Rev customer if Rev wasn't what it is - HC on steroids... Jim
on 7/8/06 3:57 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
I'm going to have to duck the troll
Niether fanning nor dousing, but I thought this an interesting tidbit.
-Mark
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/7/8/4569
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True to a point... In a technical business, there must some kind of synergy
between technical and marketing. For MS, Gates had the huge market built
for him thru IBM opening the architecture to clones.
Jobs had the solidness of the system architecture - deeply integrated
operating system with
Jim, et al:
I'm in agreement with everything you said except this:
Technically speaking, the Mac, even using the Intel chip, is light-years
ahead of the PC.
If you're speaking of internal architecture, I'm not qualified to judge.
If you're speaking of technology delivered to the user, what
Interesting Discussion . . .
As a longtime, mainly irrational, fan of Apple computers (to a large extent
based on the belief that Microsoft OS's are inferior) I have had the
opportunity for the last year or so to work with a number of 'old' PCs running
Ubuntu Linux. This Debian variant has
Richmond Mathewson wrote:
I know that the good folks at RR treat Linux as 'the third force' (and
not very forceful at that); but it does seem a pity that RR for Linux
lags behind (with some of its capabilities) RR for the 2 dominant
commercial OS families.
share in
European Universities, Institutes and research companies is something like
100x10x1. So that's what our students are used to...
Viktoras
---Original Message---
From: Richmond Mathewson
Date: 07/05/06 10:40:57
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: [OT] Market Share
Bob-
Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 10:47:12 AM, you wrote:
2) Giving us some means of discovering whether a floppy diskette drive
exists in the hardware (since it cannot be done by the normal 'Windows'
method).
How about looking at the /etc/fstab file and checking for the presence
of a /dev/fd0
Mark Wieder wrote:
Bob- Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 10:47:12 AM, you wrote:
2) Giving us some means of discovering whether a floppy diskette drive
exists in the hardware (since it cannot be done by the normal 'Windows'
method).
How about looking at the /etc/fstab file and checking for the
Kay,
Great point. Fact is, marketing is where Jobs truly shines!
On 7/2/06, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My point exactly. How many other CEO out there can make so much money out of
such irrelevance. From a technological standpoint, truly embarrassing. From
a marketing standpoint, head
Hi Wolfgang,
While I don't disagree completely with your argument, please
understand, MY goal in MY company was to provide users with
computers-- TODAY (or rather THEN). I personally couldn't shape, nor
wait for enevitable judicial and marketing forces to shape the destiny
of Microsoft.
For those of you wondering, enevitable is the envy of inevitable.
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On 02.07.2006, at 00:48, Chipp Walters wrote:
It really wasn't the cost of ownership (Macs were still VERY
expensive), but rather the business cost to us which forced the
change. Since then, I've used both Macs and PCs and I just happen to
prefer PCs (for a variety of reasons which I won't go
Jin,et al:
For my money, Jobs is a true visionary...
As a disgruntled HyperCard evangelist, I see him in a different light:
Steve Job's sole contribution to the technical side of computing was
his insight as to how the mouse device under development at Xerox's
PARC research center could
On 7/2/06, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You would be surprised at how many CEOs out there do get it and could
replace Jobs.
Rob Cozens wrote:
Instead, Jobs' second coming brought us colored computers.
My point exactly. How many other CEO out there can make so much money out
Hi Kay,
FTR, I was pretty much a Mac fanatic in the early days. My company
only used Macs and we did some things which at that time, could only
be done with Macs.
Voting with their wallet
After my company got to 50 people, we started believing it unwise to
hold ourselves hostage to a single
I remember a quote from Bob Levitas a few years ago responding to a
discussion of market share. He said that Jobs only ever saw the Mac as a
niche machine. Man, what a niche. The business mantra in this millennium
is find/create a niche and dominate it. Jobs was 20 years ahead of his
time. It
On 7/2/06, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jobs is not competing with Microsoft. They are not in his niche. His
successors and predecessors at Apple were and they almost lost the
company.
For my money, Jobs is a true visionary... Jim
And probably my only true concern for the
You would be surprised at how many CEOs out there do get it and could
replace Jobs. I don't know, but I would bet that the majority of Apple's
Board now get it as well and would be capable of selecting a decent
candidate for replacing Jobs if he died in a plane crash.
There was a comment earlier
On Jun 29, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
And even then, if you're developing in a particular area, these
installed base/market share figures can be wildly different anyway.
True dat.
Among creative professionals (graphic design/web/video/print/music)
Mac market share is far higher
On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:51 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:
In dental office software I doubt Mac has anything close to 5% - I
would guess more like .1%.
In vision testing software you could safely guess 90%. Just thought
I would jump in there. :) bfn.
Mark Talluto
--
CANELA Software
On 6/30/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly not reflective of the
millions of users who have paid for XP. Virtually every Dell, Gateway,
Compaq, Sony, HP, IBM desktop and laptop have a licensed and paid for
version of XP. I imagine if you don't include them in your straw poll,
On 6/29/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frankly, 58% in 2007 seems laughable.
If 90% of home PCs run Windows and 10% run OSX, yet 50% of the Windows users
use a pirated copy whilst for OSX it is only 5%, what is the market share?
Unfortunately where I live I guarantee less than
Maybe that's why Microsoft is going to pull the plug on them this fall:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=84tag=nl.e539
Kay C Lan wrote:
Unfortunately where I live I guarantee less than 50% of home PC users have
a
legal copy of Windows.
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Bill Marriott wrote:
Maybe that's why Microsoft is going to pull the plug on them this fall:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=84tag=nl.e539
Kay C Lan wrote:
Unfortunately where I live I guarantee less than 50% of home PC users have
a legal copy of Windows.
LOL - Imagine if this anti-piracy
This WGA Kill Switch business will really piss people off...
can you say Class Action Suit??
Maybe that's why Microsoft is going to pull the plug on them this fall:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=84tag=nl.e539
Kay C Lan wrote:
Unfortunately where I live I guarantee less than 50% of home
On 6/29/06, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If 90% of home PCs run Windows and 10% run OSX, yet 50% of the Windows users
use a pirated copy whilst for OSX it is only 5%, what is the market share?
Where do you find this statistic? In America, regarding XP, I'm SURE
it's wrong, as MS's copy
OTOH, Chipp, wouldn't it make more sense for developers be more
interested in installed base, rather than the last years market
share? (Not that I have any idea what those figures might be). And
even then, if you're developing in a particular area, these installed
base/market share
On 6/30/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/29/06, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If 90% of home PCs run Windows and 10% run OSX, yet 50% of the Windows
users
use a pirated copy whilst for OSX it is only 5%, what is the market
share?
Where do you find this statistic? In
Mark,
I don't disagree with anything you say. I only disagree with early
comments regarding Mac marketshare.
best,
Chipp
On 6/29/06, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OTOH, Chipp, wouldn't it make more sense for developers be more
interested in installed base, rather than the last years
Kay,
I suppose if you stood outside Cupertino, your straw poll would have
Macs represented even higher ;-) That's of course the problem with
straw polls. They're not very reliable when the basis is from one's
own perspective.
I use AVG antivirus (free) and haven't had a single problem on any of
OK OK OK. the horse is dead now. Please stop.
Mark,
I don't disagree with anything you say. I only disagree with early
comments regarding Mac marketshare.
best,
Chipp
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On 6/29/06, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK OK OK. the horse is dead now. Please stop.
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