Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-12 Thread Rob Cozens
Stephen, Jean-Louis Gasse as with the original HC, Apple management didn't get it...with one exception: the person who preceeded Jobs' second coming. It's been too long for me to remember his name Gil Amillio (?; sp?) I'm pretty sure it wasn't Gasse. Did Amillio (sp?) preceed Job's

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-11 Thread Rob Cozens
Jack, Bill, et al: Can anybody pick it up when hypercard went back to apple and we were supposed to have version 3.0? [snip] I guess I assumed the leadership at Apple controlled the robustness and goals of the teams involved in product development, even at Claris. The HyperCard team

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-11 Thread Rob Cozens
as with the original HC, Apple management didn't get it...with one exception: the person who preceeded Jobs' second coming. It's been too long for me to remember his name Gil Amillio (?; sp?) Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution!

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-11 Thread Stephen Barncard
Jean-Louis Gasse as with the original HC, Apple management didn't get it...with one exception: the person who preceeded Jobs' second coming. It's been too long for me to remember his name Gil Amillio (?; sp?) Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company Vive R Revolution! -- stephen

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread simplsol
] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:13:05 -0500 Subject: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?'] Well, I had the good fortune to be at Claris during the HyperCard transition. I knew the development team and the product managers well. I don't

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread Bill
Thanks for that clear discourse. I think the true story behind the demise of Hypercard is very interesting. I'd like to see it fleshed-out a little more to a full story especially with some of the interesting facts such as the fast indexing code story and other history. In fact such a story (the

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread Mark Swindell
Bill, Thank you for the fresh insider perspective! Perhaps I can finally put to rest my conspiracy theories. (I hate it when that happens.) I guess I assumed the leadership at Apple controlled the robustness and goals of the teams involved in product development, even at Claris.

Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread Mathewson
This reminds me of Srila Bhagavan Goswami Gurudeva - Woops, letting too much out about my murky past - strike that. When a 'church'/movement/revolution goes rotten it is normally because its founder members have become disillusioned and left because they feel that the original vision has been

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread revinfo1155
:35:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?'] Bill,    Thank you for the fresh insider perspective! Perhaps I can finally put to rest my conspiracy theories. (I hate it when that happens.)   e  I guess I assumed the leadership at Apple

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread Dan Shafer
FWIW, I think Bill is neither cheesed off nor outcast. He always had a passion for photography (and he's damned good at it) and he wrangled with technology long enough to have enough success to pay for his habit. I haven't talked to him for quite a while, but I'd be surprised if he's involved in

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread Dan Shafer
Bill. Wow. Thanks for that wonderful stroll down memory lane. I remember being shown a prototype of a Windows version of HC at Claris at some point. I wonder if you were one of the folks in the room. i think Danny G and I were in the same NDA briefing. BTW, the HC evangelist at Apple,

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread Mark Wieder
Dan- Saturday, December 10, 2005, 1:35:26 PM, you wrote: BTW, the HC evangelist at Apple, pre-Claris (I think his name was Bob Fernandez; he was a former criminal defense attorney and a hell of a scripter) had the idea of embedding HC and a TCP stack in the Mac ROM really early. He was

Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-10 Thread Dan Shafer
Nope, it was Bob Perez. I just looked it up. On 12/10/05, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan- Saturday, December 10, 2005, 1:35:26 PM, you wrote: BTW, the HC evangelist at Apple, pre-Claris (I think his name was Bob Fernandez; he was a former criminal defense attorney and a hell

Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

2005-12-09 Thread Bill Marriott
Well, I had the good fortune to be at Claris during the HyperCard transition. I knew the development team and the product managers well. I don't think it was anything so deliberate/nefarious as you surmise. - Claris didn't know how to make money on a program that had been given away for free.