Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-24 Thread Nicholas Okunew
*To:* user@cassandra.apache.org *Subject:* Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? I think the problem is a little deeper than that. I've been working with cassandra for about 7 months now - it was very challenging to find out any real information about using cassandra

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-24 Thread Tyler Hobbs
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Nicholas Okunew naoku...@gmail.com wrote: most of the important stuff being in blog format Which blog posts are you referring to? We could definitely have the docs team integrate some of the blog post topics into the normal docs and keep them updated for new

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-24 Thread Peter Lin
for starters all of the blog entries related to CQL3, like the change in terminology and compact storage. the last time I looked at the datastax documentation on CQL3, it wasn't nearly as detailed as the blog entries by jonathan ellis and sylvain. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Tyler Hobbs

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-24 Thread Peter Lin
for example, this old blog entry from way back in 2012 http://www.datastax.com/dev/blog/cql3-for-cassandra-experts On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Tyler Hobbs ty...@datastax.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Nicholas Okunew naoku...@gmail.com wrote: most of the important stuff

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-24 Thread Redmumba
A lot of the information about the compaction strategies would be incredibly useful in the docs as well: http://www.datastax.com/dev/blog/leveled-compaction-in-apache-cassandra On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Peter Lin wool...@gmail.com wrote: for example, this old blog entry from way back in

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-24 Thread Jack Krupansky
Subject: Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Nicholas Okunew naoku...@gmail.com wrote: most of the important stuff being in blog format Which blog posts are you referring to? We could definitely have the docs team integrate some

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-24 Thread Hao Cheng
*To:* user@cassandra.apache.org *Subject:* Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Nicholas Okunew naoku...@gmail.com wrote: most of the important stuff being in blog format Which blog posts are you referring to? We could definitely have

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-24 Thread Peter Lin
content in them definitely needs to be in the docs as well. -- Jack Krupansky *From:* Tyler Hobbs ty...@datastax.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:07 PM *To:* user@cassandra.apache.org *Subject:* Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:55 AM

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Mark Reddy
Hi Kevin, The difference here is that the Apache Cassandra site is maintained by the community whereas the DataStax site is maintained by paid employees with a vested interest in producing documentation. With DataStax having some comprehensive docs, I guess the desire for people to maintain the

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Robert Stupp
Just a note: If you have suggestions how to improve documentation on the datastax website, write them an email to d...@datastax.com. They appreciate proposals :) Am 23.07.2014 um 09:10 schrieb Mark Reddy mark.re...@boxever.com: Hi Kevin, The difference here is that the Apache Cassandra site

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread spawgi
I would like to help out with the documentation of C*. How do I start? On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Robert Stupp sn...@snazy.de wrote: Just a note: If you have suggestions how to improve documentation on the datastax website, write them an email to d...@datastax.com. They appreciate

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Peter Lin
I've tried to contribute docs to Cassandra wiki in the past, but there's an obstacle. currently wiki.apache.org/cassandra is locked down, so only commiters can edit it. I really wish that wasn't the case, since it wastes time. the commiters are busy writing code. Having to email a commiter and

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Benedict Elliott Smith
It only takes a moment to ask to be added as a wiki contributor; if you email the dev list or ask on irc, somebody with privileges will ordinarily add you within a day. It may be a psychological barrier, but it isn't really a practical one. Still, if you feel the policy is incorrect, raise this on

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Jack Krupansky
sharing knowledge on this list is always a big step forward. -- Jack Krupansky From: spa...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:25 AM To: user@cassandra.apache.org Subject: Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? I would like to help out with the documentation of C*. How do

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Peter Lin
I've submitted requests to edit the wiki in the past and nothing ever got done. Having been an apache committer and contributor over the years, I can totally understand that people are busy. I also understand that most developer find writing docs tedious. I'd rather not harass the committers

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Jason Wee
is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? I would like to help out with the documentation of C*. How do I start? On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Robert Stupp sn...@snazy.de wrote: Just a note: If you have suggestions how to improve documentation on the datastax website, write them an email

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Benedict Elliott Smith
All requests I've seen in the past year to edit the wiki (admittedly only 2-3) have been answered promptly with editing privileges. Personally I don't have a major preference either way for policy - there are positives and negatives to each approach - but, like I said, raise it on the dev list and

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Peter Lin
I sent a request to add a link my .Net driver for cassandra to the wiki over 5 weeks back and no response at all. I sent another request way back in 2013 and got zero response. Again, I totally understand people are busy and I'm just as guilty as everyone else of letting requests slip by. It's

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Jack Krupansky
To: user@cassandra.apache.org Subject: Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? I sent a request to add a link my .Net driver for cassandra to the wiki over 5 weeks back and no response at all. I sent another request way back in 2013 and got zero response. Again, I totally

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Peter Lin
*Subject:* Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? I sent a request to add a link my .Net driver for cassandra to the wiki over 5 weeks back and no response at all. I sent another request way back in 2013 and got zero response. Again, I totally understand people are busy

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Benedict Elliott Smith
Requesting a change is very different to requesting permission to edit (which, I note, still hasn't been made); we do our best to promote community engagement, so granting a privilege request has a different mental category to a random edit request, which is much more likely to be forgotten by any

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Hood
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Peter Lin wool...@gmail.com wrote: I sent a request to add a link my .Net driver for cassandra to the wiki over 5 weeks back and no response at all. TL;DR There is something wrong with Cassandra information sharing, but I am partly to blame. My experience has

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Peter Lin
@benedict - you're right that I've haven't requested permission to edit. You're also right that I've given up on getting edit permission to cassandra wiki. I've been struggling and struggled with how to manage open source projects, so I totally get it. Managing projects is a thankless job most of

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Dave Brosius
We had a massive spam problem before we locked down the wiki, so unfortunately that was the choice we had to make. But as stated we can add you to the contributers list. What is your Wiki user name? On 2014-07-23 07:33, Peter Lin wrote: I've tried to contribute docs to Cassandra wiki in

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Jake Luciani
I'll note that historically the wiki used to be open to all and due massive amounts of spam it was put on lockdown by the ASF. If there is a better platform the community feels would make it simpler to provide community based documentation then we should consider it. The ASF also has confluence

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Jeremy Jongsma
My experience is similar to Nicholas'. Basic usage was easy to get a handle on, but the advanced tuning/tweaking info is scattered EVERYWHERE around the web, mostly on personal blogs. It feels like it took way too long to become confident enough in my understanding of Cassandra that I trust our

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Kevin Burton
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Jason Wee peich...@gmail.com wrote: I agree to the people here already sharing their ways to access documentation. If you are starter, you should better spend time to search for documentation (like using google) or hours to read. Then start ask specific

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Kevin Burton
This is a great post… and really does a great job of summarizing the problems I have with the cassandra documentation. I realize that Datastax is trying to step in and fix the problem.. but there are now a lot of parties involved (JIRA tickets, blog posts, datastax doc, apache doc, etc) … it's

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Robert Coli
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kevin Burton bur...@spinn3r.com wrote: I have a lot of experience in distribute systems, understand the space well, but I just can't find documentation on how cassandra does things from a high level perspective. My belief as to the reason why you are unable

Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-23 Thread Jack Krupansky
: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:29 AM To: user@cassandra.apache.org Subject: Re: Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality? I think the problem is a little deeper than that. I've been working with cassandra for about 7 months now - it was very challenging to find out any real information about

Why is the cassandra documentation such poor quality?

2014-07-22 Thread Kevin Burton
This document: https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Operations … for example. Is extremely out dated… does NOT reflect 2.x releases certainly. Mentions commands that are long since removed/deprecated. Instead of giving bad documentation, maybe remove this and mark it as obsolete. The datastax