Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-18 Thread Peter Neubauer
ss certain questions or actions. > Niels > >> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:12:58 +0200 >> From: a...@morgner.de >> To: user@lists.neo4j.org >> Subject: Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse" >> >> My 2 cents: >> >> The Neo4j API is c

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Niels Hoogeveen
5 Oct 2011 01:12:58 +0200 > From: a...@morgner.de > To: user@lists.neo4j.org > Subject: Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse" > > My 2 cents: > > The Neo4j API is clean, open, and sort-of low level by intention. It is > neither ugly, smelly, nor it doe

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Axel Morgner
My 2 cents: The Neo4j API is clean, open, and sort-of low level by intention. It is neither ugly, smelly, nor it does it violate anything. Neo4j in general is very stable. But, of course, if you try the latest snapshot, it may have bugs (as any software has). Since May 2010, we're developing a

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Niels Hoogeveen
ion. Niels > From: okramma...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:28:16 -0600 > To: user@lists.neo4j.org > Subject: Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse" > > Hi, > > >> This is not conducive to Baysian-based reasoning, evidential reasoning, >

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Marko Rodriguez
Hi, >> This is not conducive to Baysian-based reasoning, evidential reasoning, >> other forms of logics (classical and non-classical) > > How would you model those to a suitable domain model? > Can you give a good example? > Michael Here is an article that argues for support of other data

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Peter Hunsberger
Frankly, I'm not sure the author understands the real issues. Pretty much everything he says about the limits of SQL is not strictly true. The whole issue here is not what kinds of models you can create in a relational database or graph database. If you know what you are doing you can use either

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Michael Hunger
Am 14.10.2011 um 18:47 schrieb Marko Rodriguez: > > This is not conducive to Baysian-based reasoning, evidential reasoning, > other forms of logics (classical and non-classical) How would you model those to a suitable domain model? Can you give a good example? Michael > > On Oct 14, 20

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Marko Rodriguez
Hello, The type system provided by Spring Data Neo4j has a nearly identical semantics to Java (and most object oriented languages). The type system employed by FreeBase is more aligned with description logics --- RDFS/OWL. For many who live in the world of object oriented programming, being abl

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Thad Guidry
I should further say after looking more at Spring Data Neo4j ... that it allows an easy Type system layer on top of Neo4j. Is that correct ? The same kind of Type system that Freebase.com has had always. In fact, Micheal, I would say even say that with Spring Data Neo4j installed, you could almo

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Thad Guidry
>From your quick example, it looks like Spring Data Neo4j is what most folks really expect out of the box with Neo4j. I know I certainly did when I installed Neo4j for the first time, last year. Spring Data seems to meet with my expectation (based on my bottom-up Schema-evolving work on Freebase.

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Michael Hunger
With spring data neo4j you are able to use any domain entity with any node, so it is for instance possible to project an entity to another when used in a different context. Otherwise the Spring Data Neo4j config less invasive and more concise than the existing model but uses the same approach b

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
Here's my small contribution to this. First of all I wanted to say that I totally agree with Thad when he says: *"Folks just need better much more detailed Domain Model examples than what is available, that would help incredibly so, since many folks have a complex Domain Model to begin with..."* T

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Thad Guidry
I would suggest breaking down his statement further and fill in the blanks to gain even better insight into his conjecture. "it‘s basically a bunch of nodes where you just blob your attributes.‘ Worse than that, to wrap objects around it, you have to have them explicitly incorporate their node cl

Re: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Rick Otten
iscussions Subject: [Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse" We had an interesting discussion about this internally at Neo Technology today. We thought it might be of interest to the broader community. I don't think the discussion is over, so it would be interesting to continue it on

[Neo4j] Article: "The Coming SQL Collapse"

2011-10-14 Thread Tobias Ivarsson
We had an interesting discussion about this internally at Neo Technology today. We thought it might be of interest to the broader community. I don't think the discussion is over, so it would be interesting to continue it on the public mailing list. It regards the initial paragraphs of an article p