Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Speaking as someone who has been a huge Ajax proponent, as evidenced by my article on it, my Struts HTML taglib extension, my AjaxTags component in Java Web Parts and my reviewing of a new Ajax book to be released shortly, I ironically have to say that Ajax isn't something that is going to

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 10/13/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not going to kill Flash because, when used properly, Flash is fantastic and different from anything else out there. Just as a silly example: how am I going to a StrongBad eMail in Ajax? A lot of people hate Flash, but I think that

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Werner Punz
Kito D. Mann wrote: At this point, with the clear promise of AJAX, I cannot see any reason to give up Struts and go to JSF. If I was starting a new web application today, I would use Struts and AJAX. Not that I going to jump JSF anytime soon, but:

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Werner Punz
Frank W. Zammetti wrote: So no, I don't think Ajax is the great savior or anything, nor is it the future of web development in and of itself. How I think it will be remembered though is in showing that RIAs are viable and that the real paradigm shift isn't Ajax itself, but is the underlying

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Martin Gainty
(viz a viz Ajax..) Just my 2 cents, Martin- - Original Message - From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF On 10/13/05, Frank W

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread DGraham
will succeed (viz a viz Ajax..) Just my 2 cents, Martin- - Original Message - From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF On 10/13/05

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Fri, October 14, 2005 2:44 am, Michael Jouravlev said: On 10/13/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not going to kill Flash because, when used properly, Flash is fantastic and different from anything else out there. Just as a silly example: how am I going to a StrongBad

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Fri, October 14, 2005 8:11 am, Martin Gainty said: Frank/Michael Personally whenever I see a Flash site I always elect 'html' simply because I dont have the time to wait for stream to load to my browser client.. As do I, and I'm almost never not using a big fat pipe :) But, this is again

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Frank W. Zammetti wrote: People who try to do entire sites in Flash are, IMO, misusing it. Try http://goowy.com for Flash or Java http://struts.roomity.com (takes you to this mail list in RiA) .V - To unsubscribe,

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-14 Thread Hubert Rabago
On 10/14/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some nice scripting without Ajax, just Javascript and CSS: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/10/05/form/form4.htm I wish Struts Validator could be that cool :-) It CAN be. I spent some time last night figuring out the

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-13 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Mike Duffy wrote: I think AJAX will evolve to the point where it will become a serious Flash competitor Or JDNC, like roomity.com, that now in beta.roomity.com has video streaming and on main site foaf and tagging ;-) .V

Re: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-13 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 10/13/05, Mike Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think AJAX will evolve to the point where it will become a serious Flash competitor IMHO Flash sucks: http://jroller.com/page/javadujour?entry=laszlo At this point, with the clear promise of AJAX, I cannot see any reason to give up Struts

RE: [OT] Struts + AJAX Trumps JSF

2005-10-13 Thread Kito D. Mann
At this point, with the clear promise of AJAX, I cannot see any reason to give up Struts and go to JSF. If I was starting a new web application today, I would use Struts and AJAX. Not that I going to jump JSF anytime soon, but: http://www.icesoft.com/products/icefaces.html