On 7/11/06, David Delbecq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Recently, i decided to play a bit with shale. I began to write some
tests jsp to play with it. I came across various problems/interrogations:
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Hello all,
Recently, i decided to play a bit with shale. I began to write some
tests jsp to play with it. I came across various problems/interrogations:
1) considering the following dialog configuration, and the following
jsps (see bottom of email), i am supposed to have one main dialog, wi
Good show Mario! I think you did exactly the right thing. I wish you all
the best with your choice.
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Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
AIM: fzammetti
Yahoo: fzammetti
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Java Web Parts -
http://javawebparts.s
There are, however, frameworks whose time has passed and that have no reason
except backwards compatibility to be available. The right thing to do with
these frameworks is to label them as obsolete so that people will not be
lured into using them when they are a poor choice. Choices are good. No
On 4/6/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, I respect every Open Source projects, they are the reason why the
> Java world is so great and Tapestry is indeed a good framework.
Ditto. I think it's very cool that Apache Struts links to several
alternative products directly from ou
Well Tapestry is a good choice but if you want to use a
component-oriented framework, you should also give a try to JSF. I had
heard so much FUD about it so I was thinking it was probably going to
suck but since it was an official specification, I was willing to give
it a try. Well after using it i
Guys, please calm down!
I've taken another approach onto choosing the right framework. Instead
of doing the top-down analysis (picking the framework and then seeing
what it could offer) I did the other way around, a bottom-up analysis.
So, I realized that I needed lots of AJAX and that was absolu
Kimani Darisha wrote:
The advice coming from this user-list is usually very confusing.
No! actualy, nothing is confusing. Morons are morons, morons are
generally ignored, and u morons know who u are.
No, you have a fundamental misconception here. As a general proposition,
the morons in a d
> The advice coming from this user-list is usually very confusing.
No! actualy, nothing is confusing. Morons are morons, morons are
generally ignored, and u morons know who u are.
K.
On 4/6/06, slam dunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mario,
> Have you checked out projects like:
> http://sequoiae
You can also look at ADF Faces which in incubation now at
http://myfaces.apache.org/. What is the incubation period and what it
means i am not clear with that though. Probably Craig knows more about
it. Give a try at ADF Faces and look at the demo pages. It has around
100 components which work
Mario,
Have you checked out projects like:
http://sequoiaerp.org/
http://www.compiere.org/
The advice coming from this user-list is usually very confusing. I guess the
moderator never reads or filters the content.
On 4/5/06, Hey Nony Moose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kimani Darisha wrote:
On 4/5/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I am currently in the market for a digital video camera. I have never
>>owned such a gadget before.
>>
>>
>Ha! this proves what such moron you are! you do NOT pay for struts!
>it is free!!!
>
ok, there's some obv
Kimani Darisha wrote:
I am currently in the market for a digital video camera. I have never
owned such a gadget before.
Ha! this proves what such moron you are! you do NOT pay for struts!
it is free!!!
So are all the other options that were mentioned, such as Spring and
Webwork.
Jonath
> I am currently in the market for a digital video camera. I have never
> owned such a gadget before.
Ha! this proves what such moron you are! you do NOT pay for struts!
it is free!!!
come back when you have some point worth discussing!
K.
On 4/5/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTE
They loce attention. Just ignore them and they will go away.
Joe Moore
- Original Message
From: Kimani Darisha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2006 9:59:38 PM
Subject: Re: Some questions
why do u talk this crap? u know nothing o
why do u talk this crap? u know nothing of this product!
On 4/5/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good god Frank. You are recommending an abandoned framework to someone
> seeking advice and we are not supposed to question that. The inmates have
> taken over the asylum. This is nuts.
Exactly. I am amazed that this is not crystal clear to anyone, except the
usuals.
On 4/5/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dakota Jack wrote:
> > I would like to disabuse the "usuals" of an assumption that seems to
> pervade
> > these discussions, viz., that everything is open f
Bart Busschots wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
What do you mean "so what", Frank? If one is new to the java web
application space, why on earth should one start using a framework
like Struts Classic that (a) is not state of the art and (b) is not
going to be developed any further?
WHY?
Bec
Dakota Jack wrote:
I would like to disabuse the "usuals" of an assumption that seems to pervade
these discussions, viz., that everything is open for discussion and
any statement
is warranted. That simply is not consistent with intelligent discussion.
The very idea that Struts 1.x is a viable cho
Yes, it matters. It matters because good frameworks have values related to
commercial success. They are easier to use, they are easier to test, they
allow you to provide services in faster and more reliable ways, etc. The
framework matters a great deal. I am sure that there are many architectur
Patient - "Doctor, doctor! It hurts when I hit my head against the wall."
Doctor - "Don't hit your head agains the wall."
Joe Moore
- Original Message
From: Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 20
I would like to disabuse the "usuals" of an assumption that seems to pervade
these discussions, viz., that everything is open for discussion and
any statement
is warranted. That simply is not consistent with intelligent discussion.
The very idea that Struts 1.x is a viable choice for a new project
Good god Frank. You are recommending an abandoned framework to someone
seeking advice and we are not supposed to question that. The inmates have
taken over the asylum. This is nuts.
On 4/5/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, April 5, 2006 11:46 am, Dakota Jack said:
> >
oh sorry, I meant that for jakota
On 4/5/06, Jakota Dack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Kimani Darisha wrote:
> > On 4/5/06, Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I don't even LIKE Struts that much
> > And yet here you are, making a "Jack"ass out of
> > yourself once again.
>
> oh dont pick on
--- Kimani Darisha wrote:
> On 4/5/06, Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't even LIKE Struts that much
> And yet here you are, making a "Jack"ass out of
> yourself once again.
oh dont pick on newton besides me he is the only
person her that knows what he's talking about!!!1!
>
> > Dakot
> I don't even LIKE Struts that much
And yet here you are, making a "Jack"ass out of yourself once again.
On 4/5/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dakota Jack wrote:
> > The fact that some Struts groupies like Busschots and Newton
> > jump in with there stupidities is irrelevant.
>
> Yo
On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> And how easy is it to use AJAX along with JSF? I don't have any
> experience with JSF but I've seen a friend of mine drag & dropping
> like in .NET. I'm not an apologist of WebForms. But if JSF eases AJAX
> I'll certainly consider it as a vali
On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > By the way, why would not you use RoR, looks like you have experience with
> > it?
>
> Our client demands Java usage. No space left here.
Check this: http://www.manageability.org/blog/s
On 4/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > The project is a simple CRM with forms and AJAX. No big stuff,
Dakota Jack wrote:
Frank, this is uncalled for. Jonathan is clearly right on this and you are
clearly wrong. The fact that some Struts groupies like Busschots and Newton
jump in with there stupidities is irrelevant. I simply cannot believe you
would recommend Struts 1.x. I no longer know what
On Wed, April 5, 2006 11:46 am, Dakota Jack said:
> Frank, this is uncalled for.
Talk about uncalled for... you call me deplorable and ignorant in another
post, and what *I* said is uncalled for?
> Jonathan is clearly right on this and you
> are
> clearly wrong.
I bow to your omnipotence. You c
On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > The project is a simple CRM with forms and AJAX. No big stuff, 6
> > > > > database tables maximum. Also, we have a very short
Dakota Jack wrote:
> The fact that some Struts groupies like Busschots and Newton
> jump in with there stupidities is irrelevant.
You're such a tool.
I don't even LIKE Struts that much, and if you bothered reading anything
other than your own posts you'd be able to figure that out.
Dave
---
On Wed, April 5, 2006 11:18 am, Mário Lopes said:
>> Because of your short deadline, JSF might also be a good choice *if* you
>> use something like Sun's Studio. That will hide most, if not all, of
>> the
>> complexity from you, and let you just worry about your application
>> rather
>> than the f
Well, it depends on what you need to do. Struts 1.x is NOT inferior to any
other framework out there. In fact, it does what it was designed to do
perfectly. I would caution against listening to people on this list who
tell you otherwise because they dislike Struts because it does not fit all
th
Mario, if you want an MVC structure, for god's sake, don't go JSF. Further,
it is not ready for use. You are going to get yourself into a hairball
here. The advice you have been getting, except to Jonathan, is deplorable
and ignorant.
On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/5
Frank, this is uncalled for. Jonathan is clearly right on this and you are
clearly wrong. The fact that some Struts groupies like Busschots and Newton
jump in with there stupidities is irrelevant. I simply cannot believe you
would recommend Struts 1.x. I no longer know what could possibly be th
Dakota Jack wrote:
> You might want to check the date on Java 5 Newton.
>
I don't get it.
There's no "significant innovation" in Java 1.5; Java was never a
significant innovation to begin with.
Dave
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On 4/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The project is a simple CRM with forms and AJAX. No big stuff, 6
> > > > database tables maximum. Also, we have a very short deadline (June),
> > > > so we can't waste too much time l
You might want to check the date on Java 5 Newton.
On 4/5/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > What happens when you don't do any significant innovation for 4 years?
> > Particularly in a field like java software?
>
> You mean like the language itself? I mean,
Frank, the other options do what you need, are simpler to code, are easier
to maintain, etc. Recommending Struts 1.x is not a nice thing to do to
someone. That is just true. It is inferior and everyone knows it that
knows about frameworks. Being able to test easy, having a quick turn
around, be
On 4/5/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The project is a simple CRM with forms and AJAX. No big stuff, 6
> > > database tables maximum. Also, we have a very short deadline (June),
> > > so we can't waste too much time learning the framework.
Why would not you use one of existing CR
I would strongly suggest you use Spring. I would not use Struts 1.x unless
I had to. That product is antiquated. Testing is a problem. AOP is
impossible virtually, Etc., etc., etc.
To recommend Struts 1.x to anyone at this point indicates a serious lack of
judgment or a willingness to snare th
On 4/5/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, April 5, 2006 5:24 am, Mário Lopes said:
> > Look guys, it was not of my intention to raise a flamebait. So please
> > keep focused on the subject (please :-) and try to be factual, as it
> > will help a lot.
>
> Yeah, I took the bai
> Frank, it gets painful to debate this with you or other people.
> Basically, you guys seem delusional to me.
I agree, it is painful. And I agree, speaking for myself, I *am*
delusional... to have thought for a second that replying in a reasoned way
would have lead to anything constructive.
Wel
On Wed, April 5, 2006 5:24 am, Mário Lopes said:
> Look guys, it was not of my intention to raise a flamebait. So please
> keep focused on the subject (please :-) and try to be factual, as it
> will help a lot.
Yeah, I took the bait. My bad. Should have known better. See my
subsequent reply for
Mário Lopes asked:
> 3) Is MyEclipse worth it?
If you're using Eclipse for J2EE development, MyEclipse is worth it even if you
only use the JSP validation. It's not perfect, but it's well worth the price.
As for the rest, I see you've already gotten some good answers and some
irrelevant noise.
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> What happens when you don't do any significant innovation for 4 years?
> Particularly in a field like java software?
You mean like the language itself? I mean, seriously... as a SmallTalk
and Lisp developer I always wonder why people choose to use Java; in
general I assum
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
What do you mean "so what", Frank? If one is new to the java web
application space, why on earth should one start using a framework
like Struts Classic that (a) is not state of the art and (b) is not
going to be developed any further?
WHY?
Because it does what you need
Look guys, it was not of my intention to raise a flamebait. So please
keep focused on the subject (please :-) and try to be factual, as it
will help a lot.
I've never seen a discussion about Struts versioning nor I'd like to
see one. I just want to pick the best framework to rely on.
The project
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> Frank W. Zammetti wrote: stuff
>
>> Jonathan Revusky wrote: stuff
>
> Frank, it gets painful to debate this with you or other people.
> Basically, you guys seem delusional to me. The fact that the Struts
> developers themselves do not care to carry on with the 1.x codeb
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
For starters, development on Struts 1.x, a.k.a. Struts Classic, has been
more or less stagnant since about 2002.
Umm, since we all like dealing with "facts that are not in dispute"...
Struts 1.0, released June 2001
Struts 1.0.1, released Jan
Sorry, I didn't see these questions initially...
1) I tried using Eclipse, as I've always did, for developing. What IDE
do you suggest?
It's a matter of opinion. Certainly Eclipse is very popular. IDEA is
also pretty popular around these parts. NetBeans has a bit of a
following. The only
Struts Action 2, the next generation Struts action
> framework, actually *is* Webwork!) In any case, I put it to you that the
> extra time invested in researching your toolset will be made up many
> times over down the road.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jonathan Revusky
> --
> le
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
For starters, development on Struts 1.x, a.k.a. Struts Classic, has been
more or less stagnant since about 2002.
Umm, since we all like dealing with "facts that are not in dispute"...
Struts 1.0, released June 2001
Struts 1.0.1, released January 2002
Struts 1.02, relea
a time invested in researching your toolset will be made up many
times over down the road.
Best Regards,
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
Now that I've given it a test drive, some questions arose:
1) I tried using Eclipse, as I've always di
out a framework to ease my life. It had to have a
> > strong MVC pattern to enforce organization. So I picked Struts :-)
> >
> > Now that I've given it a test drive, some questions arose:
> >
> > 1) I tried using Eclipse, as I've always did, for developing. Wha
va/JSP/Servlets application I
had to decide about a framework to ease my life. It had to have a
strong MVC pattern to enforce organization. So I picked Struts :-)
Now that I've given it a test drive, some questions arose:
1) I tried using Eclipse, as I've always did, for developing. What ID
On 4/4/06, Mário Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hi.
>>
>>1) I tried using Eclipse, as I've always did, for developing. What IDE
>>do you suggest?
>>
>>
Eclipse is a good choice.
>>2) I noticed that each time I did a simple change I had to build with
>>ant to package a .war and then res
've programmed with PHP, .NET, Ruby on Rails, Python,
> etc..
>
> Now that I'm encharged of developing a Java/JSP/Servlets application I
> had to decide about a framework to ease my life. It had to have a
> strong MVC pattern to enforce organization. So I picked Struts :-)
&
I
had to decide about a framework to ease my life. It had to have a
strong MVC pattern to enforce organization. So I picked Struts :-)
Now that I've given it a test drive, some questions arose:
1) I tried using Eclipse, as I've always did, for developing. What IDE
do you suggest?
2) I
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