Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-28 Thread Oliver Fromme
Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: And if you did, you should newfs(8) the file system when you replaced the cables with good ones. Q: Why fsck is not enough? fsck(8) is only able to detect certain (not even all, I believe) inconsistencies in the meta data of a file

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-28 Thread Vladimir Mitiouchev
28 Sep 2006 11:41:59 GMT, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, fsck can neither detect nor repair any damage in the contents of files. So, do You have any simple ideas how to detect damage in files? Checksums, or sth? Something simple and working. And automagic ;-) Is there any solutions?

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-28 Thread Erik Wikström
On 2006-09-28 14:18, Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: 28 Sep 2006 11:41:59 GMT, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, fsck can neither detect nor repair any damage in the contents of files. So, do You have any simple ideas how to detect damage in files? Checksums, or sth? Something simple and

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-28 Thread Vladimir Mitiouchev
2006/9/28, Erik Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED]: from kernel when files change. What would have been really nice in this situation is ZFS, which has built-in checksums. DragonFly supports ZFS, right? Is it stable enough to run system-for-fun? -- Sincerely Yours, Vladimir Mitiouchev

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-28 Thread Erik Wikström
On 2006-09-28 15:45, Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: 2006/9/28, Erik Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED]: from kernel when files change. What would have been really nice in this situation is ZFS, which has built-in checksums. DragonFly supports ZFS, right? Is it stable enough to run system-for-fun? No,

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-28 Thread Miguel Figueiredo Mascarenhas Sousa Filipe
Hi, afaik, ZFS support in DFLY hasn't arrived yet.. read this: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2006-06/msg00047.html On 9/28/06, Vladimir Mitiouchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2006/9/28, Erik Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED]: from kernel when files change. What would have been really

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Hacker
Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: 26 Sep 2006 10:49:11 GMT, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And if you did, you should newfs(8) the file system when you replaced the cables with good ones. Q: Why fsck is not enough? Then re-install from your backup. DragonFly's journaling feature allows for

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-27 Thread walt
Bill Hacker wrote: ...IBM-Hitachi are again safe to use... Hearsay, or personal experience?

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Hacker
walt wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: ...IBM-Hitachi are again safe to use... Hearsay, or personal experience? Experience. We've had our share of 'Deathstar' - even tracked down one of the faults that IBM, AFAIK, never published. Expect to find an ash-pit about 0.020 inches in diameter in

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-27 Thread Justin C. Sherrill
On Wed, September 27, 2006 3:53 pm, Bill Hacker wrote: OTOH, we have decided to buy no more 3.5 HDD *anyway*. 2.5 are now large enough, fast enough, and reasonably well priced enough to allow us to put the redundant arrays into 1U, and on less power, that we now need a 2U to hold, power, and

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Hacker
Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Wed, September 27, 2006 3:53 pm, Bill Hacker wrote: OTOH, we have decided to buy no more 3.5 HDD *anyway*. 2.5 are now large enough, fast enough, and reasonably well priced enough to allow us to put the redundant arrays into 1U, and on less power, that we now

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-26 Thread Oliver Fromme
Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: Lessons? 1. Do *NOT* use broken IDE cables. And if you did, you should newfs(8) the file system when you replaced the cables with good ones. According to your initial description, it appears that some write accesses did not hit the disk successfully, which can lead

boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread Vladimir Mitiouchev
Hi! Last night was like a nightmare... I was compiling DF kernel.. I really like it. I do it all the time. When I typed F12, which on my hax0r (;-P) keyboard means make installkernel it ran and... I saw a LOT OF errors from kernel, in h4x0rized (;-P) red color on my beutiful DF console (R.I.P.).

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 25.09.2006 um 08:33 schrieb Vladimir Mitiouchev: It was complete mess, but i recovered about 90% of system and 100% of my private data. I smiled, and did a coffee brake. Than reboot... The same. So, fdisk -b /dev/ad0, disklabel -B /dev/ad0s2... Reboot and.. Missing operating system. IMHO,

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread Vladimir Mitiouchev
2006/9/25, Markus Hitter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO, a good measure when running in development OSs is to have at least two independant installations. One installation for compiling and testing new stuff, another one in known good shape for recovery. Once the test OS runs a few days to your

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread Vladimir Mitiouchev
2006/9/25, Gergo Szakal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Check the IDE cable and try setting the block mode to Large in BIOS. It's all about geometry, i think. IDE cable is tested, 40-wires but *working*. Changing block mode do not help. Q: Where can i found working LBA geometry for my 200GB disk? BIOS says

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread walt
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: I got it working! system boot and give me a shell. Recovered almost all stuff from /etc and others.. Now doing make installworld. Q: Is there any simple solution to reinstall all my pkg's? Not so fast! I think you should explain how you fixed

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread Vladimir Mitiouchev
2006/9/25, walt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not so fast! I think you should explain how you fixed the problem and share with us any valuable lessons you learned from your adventure. Did you find the plastic knife to be of any use? I ran LiveCD. Did some lost+found recovering to get base system

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread Bill Hacker
Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: *snip* PS2 Thanks God i wasn't running softupdates! Muhh... don't be too sure... 'Softupdates' have saved me far more grief than they have ever contributed to. Lot's of folk misunderstand what they do - and how quickly they can post if all the kit is properly

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread Vladimir Mitiouchev
2006/9/25, Bill Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PS2 Thanks God i wasn't running softupdates! 'Softupdates' have saved me far more grief than they have ever contributed to. Lot's of folk misunderstand what they do - and how quickly they can post if all the kit is properly configured. Can You write

Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.

2006-09-25 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: 2006/9/25, Bill Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PS2 Thanks God i wasn't running softupdates! 'Softupdates' have saved me far more grief than they have ever contributed to. Lot's of folk misunderstand what they do - and how quickly they can post if all the kit is