Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-12 Thread Siju George
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Francois Tigeot wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 08:19:47PM +0530, Siju George wrote: >> >> It would be great if there can be a porter's handbook. i would atleast >> like to make a try porting some stuff > > The pkgsrc developper's guide is your friend: > http://w

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-12 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 08:19:47PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > > It would be great if there can be a porter's handbook. i would atleast > like to make a try porting some stuff The pkgsrc developper's guide is your friend: http://www.netbsd.org/docs/pkgsrc/developers-guide.html -- Francois Tigeo

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-12 Thread Siju George
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Chris Turner wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 03:03:58PM -0500, Stephane Russell wrote: > > While porting programs to DragonFly, I had these issues (which are not > > bugs): > > Excellent thread - > > have you considered maybe making a 'porting software' page on t

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Stephane Russell
> If you have some text to validate, send it to me, along with the French for > clarification if you think something isn't clear. > > Pierre Well received! Give me some time to watch how things might be expected on the Wiki and to collect some notes and I'll send you a resulting document. SR

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 10:49:47AM -0500, Stephane Russell wrote: > >> So at most, BSD forks can only be used seriously as strong servers. That's > >> how I'm using dfly. > > > > FUD. All my desktop systems have been running on FreeBSD or DragonFly for > > more than 10 years. > > That makes two s

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Matthew Dillon
I think expectations have changed over the years, but knowing that a problem exists does not necessarily mean that it can be fully solved. The Expectation for many new users these days is to have everything handed to them on a platter, the whole works including the UI, ready to

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 08 January 2011 11:28:28 Stephane Russell wrote: > No, but I like this idea. I was thinking of getting involved with > porting for some time already if there was some interest. If I go on > with the Wiki page, I just hope my english will do, because I'm limited > with this langage. Some

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Stephane Russell
Le 2011-01-08 03:19, Chris Turner a écrit : > On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 03:11:57AM -0500, Chris Turner wrote: >> Excellent thread - > > yes - I realize this totally contradicts with my last post. > > I would like everything to "just work" - point is that will > never happen unless ppl take the plu

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Stephane Russell
> have you considered maybe making a 'porting software' page on the wiki? > > Thinking in general we could use a much more focused porting effort. > No, but I like this idea. I was thinking of getting involved with porting for some time already if there was some interest. If I go on with the Wik

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Stephane Russell
>> So at most, BSD forks can only be used seriously as strong servers. That's >> how I'm using dfly. > > FUD. All my desktop systems have been running on FreeBSD or DragonFly for > more than 10 years. > Sometimes the lack of a good Microsoft Word alternative is a bit painful, > but with LibreOffic

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Francois Tigeot
Hi, On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 11:39:54PM -0500, Stephane Russell wrote: > Hi, thanks for your reply, which I read carefully. You're welcome. > Logically, I think that if a system is not defining "BSD", than it's > simply not a BSD, it's a BSD fork at most. BSD has been dead since the nineties. No

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Chris Turner
On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 03:11:57AM -0500, Chris Turner wrote: > Excellent thread - yes - I realize this totally contradicts with my last post. I would like everything to "just work" - point is that will never happen unless ppl take the plunge and fix the bugs so - like camping - take whats nece

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Chris Turner
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 03:03:58PM -0500, Stephane Russell wrote: > While porting programs to DragonFly, I had these issues (which are not > bugs): Excellent thread - have you considered maybe making a 'porting software' page on the wiki? Thinking in general we could use a much more focused po

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-08 Thread Chris Turner
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 11:39:54PM -0500, Stephane Russell wrote: > So at most, > BSD forks can only be used seriously as strong servers. That's how I'm > using dfly. FUD! Most of the things that don't work tend to be either: - obscure corners of 'thick' desktop environments (e.g. what d

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-07 Thread Stephane Russell
Hi, thanks for your reply, which I read carefully. >> - "BSD" is undefined in DragonFly, this isn't working: >> #if (defined(BSD) && BSD >= 199306) > > Never saw this one. > > All tests I encountered in third-party software were looking for full OS > names or OS-specific defines like "__FreeBSD__

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-07 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 03:03:58PM -0500, Stephane Russell wrote: > While porting programs to DragonFly, I had these issues (which are not > bugs): > > - "BSD" is undefined in DragonFly, this isn't working: > #if (defined(BSD) && BSD >= 199306) Never saw this one. All tests I encountered in third

Re: Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-07 Thread Samuel J. Greear
> both are excluding DragonFly, since uname -s return "DragonFly" and > OSARCH is usually set to the same value. I can solve this by redefining > OSARCH variable and UNAME_s shell variable as "DragonFlyBSD", which > makes less work to do. But it doesn't seem very clean to me, so I'm not > using it.

Comments on pkgsrc and DragonFly

2011-01-07 Thread Stephane Russell
While porting programs to DragonFly, I had these issues (which are not bugs): - "BSD" is undefined in DragonFly, this isn't working: #if (defined(BSD) && BSD >= 199306) Some code might expect this to work for a BSD variant. - In many autoconf scripts, BSD variants are grouped this way: case ${