Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-10-01 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Paul, Le 01.10.2014 00:55, Paul a écrit : Hi Charles, On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:32:53 +0200 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Paul On 30 septembre 2014 15:38:26 CEST, Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote: Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) It's not quite that simple :( With Fresh the new features probably will work just fine. They have been about as thoroughly tested as possible. It's any pre-existing stuff that could be broken. If it was just the new features that were possibly broken then there would be no real worry

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/30/2014 5:50 PM, Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote: Personally I would vote for something like Stable-Current or Stable-Features and Stable-Mature, or terms in that vein, but I have to agree, choosing those sorts of terms would be more in line with the explanations of what they are

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/1/2014 5:06 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: I don't see these on the Firefox site, I see Firefox, Firefox Beta and Firefox Aurora, and these seem to have a passable explanation. I would have liked a slightly better, or more in-depth one, but at least I

[libreoffice-users] Re: problems with the spell checker

2014-10-01 Thread Uwe Brauer
Tim == Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com writes: Hi, This list does not accept attachments. However, if you nip over to the nabble interface: Http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Users-f1639498.html That does accept attachments so you can post there. Thanks, meanwhile I found out

[libreoffice-users] insert empty (check) box: bound to a key

2014-10-01 Thread Uwe Brauer
Hello I insert a check box, by using insert-symbol and then I select the symbol in question. Can I bind this to a key, say shift+insert inserts already the check box. I presume I have to write a macro? Thanks Uwe Brauer -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

[libreoffice-users] How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Werner
Hi Tanstaalf, In the thread LibreOffice Still you made a very important point, however it has absolutely nothing to do with the main point of the discussion on how to name versions and I just by chance noted it. You then might have a chance of having it dealt with. Werner P.S. Just a LO

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: problems with the spell checker

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Wow!! Congrats! Nicely found! I tend to have trouble dealing with spelling or font issues. Tim of Kracked Press keeps handling those types of questions so well that i've never really learnt for myself. I really should play around with his suggestions and learn how he does it. Regards

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-10-01 Thread Sophie
Hi, Le 01/10/2014 12:27, Tanstaafl a écrit : [...] *Anytime* a long standing feature is totally ripped out and replaced with something else that causes a major regression, it should be an absolute top priority to fix it in the very next release. In fact, I would say that it should be a

Re: [libreoffice-users] How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
Hi Werner, This regression has already been discussed here, with essentially the same result (fix it yourself, pay someone else to fix it, or shut up about it)... On 10/1/2014 7:13 AM, Werner werner...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi Tanstaalf, In the thread LibreOffice Still you made a very important

Re: [libreoffice-users] How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Werner
Hi Tom, I don't want to go on discussion here the naming of releases. Tanstaalf comment about the problem of a LO deals with a regression made me worried, so that is what I hoped to get an exchange in this thread. Werner On 10/1/2014 13:46, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Right! Amazing! So that

[libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Werner
Hi, On 10/1/2014 14:04, Tanstaafl wrote: Hi Werner, This regression has already been discussed here, with essentially the same result (fix it yourself, pay someone else to fix it, or shut up about it)... That is not Sophie's view of it, see her response in the other thread. A regression can

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/1/2014 8:21 AM, Werner werner...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi, On 10/1/2014 14:04, Tanstaafl wrote: Hi Werner, This regression has already been discussed here, with essentially the same result (fix it yourself, pay someone else to fix it, or shut up about it)... That is not Sophie's view of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
Not to mention this one: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65205 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:

[libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Werner
On 10/1/2014 14:47, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/1/2014 8:21 AM, Werner werner...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi, On 10/1/2014 14:04, Tanstaafl wrote: Hi Werner, This regression has already been discussed here, with essentially the same result (fix it yourself, pay someone else to fix it, or shut up about

Re: [libreoffice-users] How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
Hi Tom, Thanks for the suggestions, but I assure you, I have had many, many conversations with him about this over these past 15 years I've been managing his systems. On 10/1/2014 9:03 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think probably the best way to handle it is to arrange a

Re: [libreoffice-users] How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) In your meeting with the boss it might well be worth pointing out that a lot of other companies had to buy MS Office 2010 just a year or so ago and that most of those are now finding that they already have to buy 2013 or 365. That by delaying a purchase of MS Office for so many years or

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Again the main point that Taanstafl was making is ignored. He was not saying you must fix my bug. That has already been covered in previous threads and previous bug-reports. All he was saying was there was at least 1 example of a bug that was introduced in Fresh (well introduced in Still

[libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Werner
On 10/1/2014 15:02, Tanstaafl wrote: Not to mention this one: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65205 I would not categorize that as a regression for LO, it existed in OO assuming the comments are correct. I also find the exchange not efficient - why can't reporters and

[libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread V Stuart Foote
@Charles, *, Tanstaafl wrote Not to mention this one: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65205 fdo#65205 - Print Component fails to recognize 'Tabloid' as 11x17, uses Letter instead Yes, please don't mention that one as it is NOT a regression. It has never been correct,

[libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Werner
On 10/1/2014 15:36, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Again the main point that Taanstafl was making is ignored. I don't think it was ignored (see the issue), it was just made in the wrong thread. The rest doesn't advance us, does it? Werner -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Tom Davies wrote on 01-10-14 15:36: All he was saying was there was at least 1 example of a bug that was introduced in Fresh How many more would you like to know :) It's always been that new versions come with new bugs. That's the big advantage (?) of open source: it keeps you sharp/awake,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating Envelope Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) You might find the Published Guides more useful than the Help; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Even though you probably need to get into Templates for this sort of thing you'll probably find that it's more important to get to grips with Styles for LibreOffice

[libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Werner
On 10/1/2014 16:01, Cor Nouws wrote: ... Now of course it's nasty that Taanstafls bug isn't yet fixed. According to the issue there is a patch and it has been committed some time ago and should be in daily builds. BUT has the patch fixed the problem - who knows! Werner -- To unsubscribe

Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating Envelope Forms

2014-10-01 Thread John R. Sowden
Thanks, I'll chase these down. John On 10/01/2014 07:04 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) You might find the Published Guides more useful than the Help; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Even though you probably need to get into Templates for this sort of thing you'll

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Tom Davies wrote on 01-10-14 16:33: This is exactly why most normal users would call the Fresh branch unstable. Which again is ill-informed, because there is no principle difference between Still and Fresh. But thanks, no need to repeat all this :) -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 -

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/1/2014 9:25 AM, Werner werner...@gmx.ch wrote: On 10/1/2014 14:47, Tanstaafl wrote: I didn't file it (it was already filed), but it is: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=76565 Have you tested the daily build which included the patch committed on 2014-8-17?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/1/2014 9:36 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we should rename Still to Eggs and change Fresh to Omelette. Both have advantages. trying to say that Omelette is really unbroken eggs seems daft to me. I'm a steak guy, so I prefer: 'Still' Sirloin 'Fresh' Tenderloin (or

[libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Werner
On 10/1/2014 17:03, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/1/2014 9:25 AM, Werner werner...@gmx.ch wrote: On 10/1/2014 14:47, Tanstaafl wrote: I didn't file it (it was already filed), but it is: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=76565 Have you tested the daily build which included the

Re: [libreoffice-users] insert empty (check) box: bound to a key

2014-10-01 Thread Brian Barker
At 12:38 01/10/2014 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: I insert a check box, ... What - just the shape of a box? And into a text document? ... by using insert-symbol and then I select the symbol in question. Er, is that what I see as Insert | Special Character...? Can I bind this to a key, say

Re: [libreoffice-users] insert empty (check) box: bound to a key

2014-10-01 Thread Brian Barker
At 12:38 01/10/2014 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: I insert a check box, ... Can I bind this to a key, ... Oh, here's another: o Enter one box. o Select it. o Go to Edit | AutoText... . o Probably select My AutoText. o Type a name for your entry. o Modify the shortcut if preferred. o Under AutoText

[libreoffice-users] Attempt merging spreadsheet data between two files leads to blank screen in libre office? Help please?

2014-10-01 Thread Lets get this finished
Spreadsheet being used as a database. Simply of name, address, email address, notes. etc 7 different vertical to large large large number of horizontal data. However this is my test run and only used a smaller part of the spreadsheet. maybe 10 horizontal rows? I have attempted numerous times with

Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempt merging spreadsheet data between two files leads to blank screen in libre office? Help please?

2014-10-01 Thread Brian Barker
At 09:20 01/10/2014 -0700, Nobody Noname wrote: Spreadsheet being used as a database. Simply of name, ... How does it cope with people like you - who have no plausible name? 7 different vertical to large large large number of horizontal data. Er, is that seven columns and many rows? I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi, /me read this thread to this point and I have to say as a developer (not in the LibO code base): As a non developer (which Charles is) you easily underestimate the effort needed. I am advertising for Collabora now (there are others as well) https://libreoffice-from-collabora.com/product/

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Yes, we should re-educate the entire world before trying to get LibreOffice out there! It'd be better than trying to doing something that makes immediate sense to everyone intuitively! Regards from Tom :) On 1 October 2014 16:02, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Tom Davies wrote on

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi, You can find daily builds here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/ Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 01.10.2014 um 16:12 schrieb Werner werner...@gmx.ch: On 10/1/2014 16:01, Cor Nouws wrote: ... Now of course it's nasty that Taanstafls bug isn't yet fixed.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating Envelope Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) yw :) I hope something useful is in there. I'm fairly sure it is but haven't checked for certain. There is also an Faq in the wiki but it's the guides that are most likely to help; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq Regards from Tom :) On 1 October 2014 15:38, John R. Sowden

[libreoffice-users] Re: Attempt merging spreadsheet data between two files leads to blank screen in libre office? Help please?

2014-10-01 Thread Lets get this finished
Thank you for the ideas and your comment! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Attempt-merging-spreadsheet-data-between-two-files-leads-to-blank-screen-in-libre-office-Help-please-tp4124447p4124454.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread jonathon
On October 1, 2014 8:03:05 AM PDT, Tanstaafl wrote: Irrelevant. I cannot install 'Daily builds' on 60+ PCs. What you do is once a week install and test a daily build, verifying that issues that affect your organization have been fixed, or if not, what did not work correctly. The ideal is for

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread jonathon
On October 1, 2014 9:54:43 AM PDT, Florian Reisinger wrote: L3 Support means Fixing bugs on the code Do those bug fixes get rolled back into LibreOffice? [ Assuming all the caveats about code acceptance by LibO are met. ] jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To

Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempt merging spreadsheet data between two files leads to blank screen in libre office? Help please?

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Maybe something worth getting into databases to do? Is there a memory issue? What size are the files? It might be good to go to Tools - Options - Memory and just radically increase most of those settings. I kinda dropped the number of undo steps to try to save a little space but on

Re: [libreoffice-users] How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I think probably the best way to handle it is to arrange a meeting with your boss. Make sure it's a proper meeting rather than just trying to catch him/her on the fly while he/she is busy dealing with other stuff. Apologise profusely for having tried to save the company x amount of money!

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Tom Davies wrote on 01-10-14 18:02: Yes, we should re-educate the entire world before trying to get LibreOffice out there! It'd be better than trying to doing something that makes immediate sense to everyone intuitively! We need to explain how it works for LibreOffice. Did already someone

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) This is exactly why most normal users would call the Fresh branch unstable. If Fresh is 'sold' (ie described in marketing (such as on the website's download page)) as being the only one available or 'sold' as anything other than what it is then those users will say that it's the whole of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi, From Collabora and other serious providers IMHO YES, unless the customer demands otherwise (which would be not very wise, as it costs much much more), Does that answer your question? Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 01.10.2014 um 19:47 schrieb jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com:

[libreoffice-users] Base Forms - and subforms

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) And a little good news ... Someone gives hints on how they converted an Access database to Base and thus been able to completely free themselves from Windows. Peter Goggin is one of the people working on the Base Handbook that is making it's way to

[libreoffice-users] Impress: Example presentations showing off our feature set?

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Robinson Tryon has done tons of work for LibreOffice and is just asking for a couple of slides to help his presentation look better. Does anyone have or know of anything that might help him? Please contact him directly if you have as i'm not sure if he is on this mailing list Thanks and

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/1/2014 12:54 PM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: 9 bugs for 30k €. That is a fair price... Continuing reading the thread now... PS: If a volunteer does not tackle your pet bug, you should get someone to fix it (search for libreoffice L3 support for other service

[libreoffice-users] MySQL native connector for LibreOffice 4.2 and 4.3 (Linux versions)

2014-10-01 Thread Dan Lewis
I have built one of these for 32 and 64 bit. I am looking for someone who has MariaDB installed on a Linux operating system to test whether this connector will work with MariaDB or not. (Each connector contains the needed MariaDB library files, so they should work.) From the things I

[libreoffice-users] MySQL native connector for LibreOffice 4.2 and 4.3 (Linux versions)

2014-10-01 Thread Dan Lewis
I have built one of these for 32 and 64 bit. I am looking for someone who has MariaDB installed on a Linux operating system to test whether this connector will work with MariaDB or not. (Each connector contains the needed MariaDB library files, so they should work.) From the things I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread jonathon
On October 1, 2014 10:41:07 AM PDT, Tom Davies wrote: Blimey! Normal users need to do coding work? The OP is complaining about a regression caused bug. What I was describing was how to catch such critters _before_ they bevome a problem, and vetify the bug fixes do fix the bug in question.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread jonathon
On October 1, 2014 11:04:46 AM PDT, Florian Reisinger wrote: which would be not very wise, That sounds a lot like the knight claiming to only have suffered from a flesh wound. Does that answer your question? Yes, dankie. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To

Re: [libreoffice-users] MySQL native connector for LibreOffice 4.2 and 4.3 (Linux versions)

2014-10-01 Thread Dan Lewis
I understand your problem. Accidentally, both links were to the same 32 bit connector because I became confused by the naming Nabble used for the two files. (I uploaded teh same file twice.) Here is the 32 bit connector for others if they want to test it: nabble_a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-01 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi, You are a big company and you would buy MS Office for 100$ per year each. (500 seat it was? - 50 000$ per year. And with LibO you can get a free product. If this is not enough you can 1) Do it yourself 2) Let it fix @MS you cannot do that easily (1) and I do not know if MS fixes a bug for a