On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 12:15:53 PM -0800, tk wrote:
or quietly being given, a copy of an employer's software meant that
MS Office products gained near-ubiquity.
Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the
person negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 10:57:05 AM -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:
I concur that the rhetoric about drug-dealing is too heated and is
inaccurate.
even if that were true, in most practical cases is the most effective,
if not simply the ONLY way, to make ordinary computer users pay
attention for at
Hi :)
+1
Sadly that does seem to be true but having done the shockawe and
grabbed their attention it's time to consider getting back to reality
Regards from
Tom :)
On 1 December 2013 10:31, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 10:57:05 AM -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:
I
Paolo,
First off, every company has periodic changes in ui and features when
they upgrade. I'd be concerned if somebody was offering me an upgrade
that looked and worked exactly like the previous version. Also, using
the term steal in regards to discounted prices is more than a bit
Marco wrote:
... because nobody, including many FOSS advocates, bothers enough
to demand open file formats?
My guess is that those of us who use LO in general, and those of us on this
list, in particular, are a little more computer savvy than the typical
office worker using MS-Office. When
Virgil Arrington wrote:
So, my computer has Office (Starter version), LO *and* WordPerfect, so
I can talk to just about anybody.
No PC-Write??? ;-)
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Marco . Fioretti wrote:
Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the person
negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete idiot, the license
will allow for each employee to install MSO on their home computer, for the
duration of their employment, or the
James wrote:
No PC-Write??? ;-)
Oh, stab me in the heart. My 64 bit computer tells me it won't run PC-Write
(yes, I've tried). Also, my printers won't recognize DOS printer drivers. At
any rate, PC-Write's document files were simple ASCII files with a few
formatting codes thrown in; quite
Jonathan wrote:
Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the
person negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete idiot, the
license will allow for each employee to install MSO on their home
computer, for the duration of their employment, or the corporate
Well, I've been at a couple of companies which most definitely *did not*
allow you to install the software at home. That wasn't part of the
license terms, and they only had enough seats for those that needed the
software. For some products, Visio being one I recall, I couldn't even
install that at
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:20:03 -0500
Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't consider it either cunning or holding people hostage to
provide them with a free trial of software that is otherwise only
available for a price. That, indeed, has been the essence of
shareware -- try
On 30 Nov 2013, at 4:32 pm, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote:
(*) where give it away for free doesn't mean only free trial
periods. It also means keeping the software very easy to pirate so
people learn it at home and then throw a tantrum if their company
(that can't use pirated
Hi :)
In Italy you have an excellent resource to call on. Italo Vignoli.
http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/
He is excellent at promoting LibreOffice and is great at doing talks
or lectures about LibreOffice. Unlike some FOSS people he is
excellent at creating a good impression and at
Hi :)
Most products have numerous well-known competitors.
Normally an offer of a free trial-period is marketed to state that
after just a short time of using their product you will see how much
better it is than x, y, z because of a, b, c. So they even name some
of their competition, drawing
Hi ALL LO users,
Have seen this discussion for quite sometime.
I am a very basic user - Word, Excel, ppt thats all with just enough
knowledge to get my work done. No more no less. Occasionally face
problems but prefer to adopt the longer route even to the extent of
deleting rewriting. Am 50
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Most products have numerous well-known competitors.
Normally an offer of a free trial-period is marketed to state that
after just a short time of using their product you will see how much
better it is than x, y, z because of a, b, c. So they even
2013/11/29 Paolo Debortoli paolo_debort...@yahoo.com
hi. I work in a state school, using ms windows and ms office... i think I
know the policy of microsoft. I think they use a sort of (apparent)
programmed obsolescence for the software. I mean: periodically they add a
new version with some
Peter West wrote:
or quietly being given, a copy of an employer's software meant that MS Office
products gained near-ubiquity.
Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the person
negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete idiot, the license will
allow for
Peter West wrote:
If people writing documents on their private computers had been obliged to
but a copy of MS Office, alternatives would have been embraced much more
enthusiastically.
FWIW, several years ago, I bought a copy of PC-Write for DOS. It was
shareware, but if you paid for it,
Subject: Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users]
Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Peter West wrote:
If people writing documents on their private computers had been obliged to
but a copy of MS Office, alternatives would have been embraced much more
James Knott wrote:
FWIW, several years ago, I bought a copy of PC-Write for DOS. It was
shareware, but if you paid for it, they sent a manual. I might still
have that manual here somewhere.
Found it. Now, I wonder if PC-Write is available on the web somewhere. ;-)
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Tom Davies wrote:
Also on newer machines MS have started running a cunning scheme
whereby people get to use a trial version of MS Office which then
stops working after a month or so. In order to keep on using it
people have to pay an extra bit.
That happened to a friend of mine about 3 years
hi. I work in a state school, using ms windows and ms office... i think I know
the policy of microsoft. I think they use a sort of (apparent) programmed
obsolescence for the software. I mean: periodically they add a new version
with some changes in interface, macro programming, functions and
John Meyer wrote:
I didn't know we considered trialware cunning.
They let people create edit documents for a while and then hold them
hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office.
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Paolo Debortoli wrote:
think microsoft did the same politics with charities and schools: discounted
prices (but they are still stealing money somehow...)
One thing MS got caught doing was providing free software to charities
and then claiming full retail value as a tax deduction.
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The distain goes both ways. Remember that Stave Ballmer called open source
software (specifically Linux) a cancer. Microsoft has a long history of
passing similar opinions about FLOSS as fact and using their monopoly
status to cull any competition. Why can you not buy a computer that is
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 19:20:03 PM -0500, Virgil Arrington wrote:
James wrote in response to John:
I didn't know we considered trialware cunning.
They let people create edit documents for a while and then hold
them hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office.
I wouldn't consider it
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 21:57:50 PM +, Paolo Debortoli wrote:
hi. I work in a state school, using ms windows and ms office... i
think I know the policy of microsoft. I think they use a sort of
(apparent) programmed obsolescence for the software.
Hi Paolo, and... NO. Not the software. They
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