Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [3.6] listening on the network
Le jeu. 16 août 2012 19:38:31 CEST, NoOp a écrit: On 08/16/2012 04:45 AM, Philippe Naudin wrote: Hello, I am using LibreOffice x86_64 on Linux, installed from official rpms. Since it got updated to Version 3.6.0.4 (Build ID: 932b512), rkhunter whines : Checking for packet capturing applications Warning: Process '/opt/libreoffice3.6/program/soffice.bin' (PID 15079) is listening on the network. lsof -i doesn't show anything related to soffice, but lsof -U shows : COMMAND PIDUSER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME soffice.b 15079 naudin 11u unix 0x8100883b7c80 0t0 352208 socket X 2924root 44u unix 0x8100883b7980 0t0 352209 /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 soffice.b 15079 naudin 12u unix 0x8100883b7680 0t0 352210 /tmp/OSL_PIPE_1058_SingleOfficeIPC_474aee6e854ee537ef2ad5a42cd51fe9 soffice.b 15079 naudin 22u unix 0x8100883b7080 0t0 352223 socket X 2924root 46u unix 0x8100883b7380 0t0 352224 /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 The same rkhunter has no problem with LibreOffice 3.5.4.2, Build ID: 165a79a-7059095-e13bb37-fef39a4-9503d18, also an official rpm for Linux x86_64. But LibreOffice-3.5 only use one socket, the /tmp/OSL_PIPE one. Is there a way to turn off these extra sockets in 3.6 ? Thanks, I can't replicate on the deb version with: Rootkit Hunter version 1.3.8 What version of rkhunter have you: rkhunter --update to ensure that your rkhunter is up to date? Version 3.6.0.4 (Build ID: 932b512) I won't be able to check an rpm version until later - sorry. Hi, Thanks for your reply. I'm using a rpm ;), it is rkhunter-1.4.0-1.el5. Of course I can get rkhunter silent with something like DISABLE_TESTS=hidden_ports or ALLOWPROCLISTEN=soffice.bin. In this case it will not complain about LibreOffice listening on the network... even when I open a file with some malware inside. Can you check the output of this command : lsof -U | grep soffice With LibreOffice-3.5, I get only one line (/tmp/OSL_PIPE_...), but with LibreOffice-3.6 I get two more lines, two unix sockets. Regards, -- Philippe Naudin -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Bugs in LibreOffice
Hello All, I have been using libre office since relase. While using libreoffice, I found several critical bugs like crash while saving file, creating pdf, data loss when opened from MS word docx format. Most stable release was LibO_3.3.2_Win_x86_helppack_en-US. After that, I tried LibO_3.6.0_Win_x86_helppack_en-US, LibO_3.3.4_Win_x86_helppack_en-US All these relases had so many bugs, I cannot continue using it. So, I had to switch to another word processor. LibreOffice is certainly good program. Basic bugs need to fixed. Only features are not important, stability is also important. --- धन्यवाद(Thanks) विकास(Vikas) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simplyunimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 20:05 -0500, V Stuart Foote wrote: It is pretty rare for specifics of bugs to be entered on the Users list, where there might have a passing comment that a bug would be or had been filed. But often no additional details of the bug in the discussion. But, that said, the threads are pretty descriptive. I'm sure. Being a new subscriber, maybe the Nabble web interface would be of use to efficiently identify substantive issues that may have associated bugs. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Users-f1639498.html I saw that, and I saw only Leif's bug linked there, in a monster thread of vagueness. It is hard to justify dedicating the time to try to reverse engineer people's names into bugzilla queries to dig out exactly what bug they're talking about indirectly; and it's difficult to grok the thread thus far. Better to ask for help - hence my request :-) so here goes again: If you have a bug that you're particularly concerned about having been marked NEEDINFO / RESOLVED INVALID, can you mail me a link ? At least - it doesn't seem a good use of my time, when I could be fixing bugs, reviewing patches etc. - I was hoping that some volunteer might help me by building a list of the specific issues; so I can trawl through them and get down to the grist of the technical issues fast. That of course, is an ask not -that- different from asking people to check if their bugs are still relevant vs. the latest version. All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Hi Marc, On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:03 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35361 ... that you knew you are creating extra work for the volunteers on the QA team with intend is really disgusting given the workload of this team. I suspect that what upset Bjoern (and upsets me too) is where you wrote: Marc Grober wrote: My response IS NOT productive (as was initially noted in this list, lol) but isn't it so much fun to be passive aggressive? It saddens me that you would deliberately waste people's time and act aggressively towards volunteers who are trying their hardest to improve the product, and get a clearer view of the open bugs. We try hard to attract QA volunteers, and it's unusual to see fights in bugzilla. Please consider a more constructive approach - if you disagree with what QA is doing, then get involved - argue in a winsome way for a better approach, invest your time to make things better. In my experience, Free Software is more easily improved by showing how things can be done better: submitting patches, doing the hard-work in bugzilla, etc. than by criticism from the sidelines. Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:00 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: The latest from Florian in misspelled CAPS (which now brings us to the fact that the devs have touched this bug some 8 times without ever bothering to actually read it) - Bravo Florian, we read you 5 by 5: I've read it a couple of times over the years - and concluded that it's a minefield: of licensing - bundling GPL pieces, of odd requests: please checkin this binary into your source code revision control, and worse. It requires some real thought, research and unwinding to get it right. It is not a trivial matter of just shove XYZ file into your distribution - while that may work, it is not a sustainable way to develop software. Please don't think that because your bug is not commented on that it is not considered. In general I like to provide some positive input in bugs rather than the above. As such, we need to find someone to do the hard work to get the code provenance unwound, and grok the situation as to what can be included and how. Since I don't have the time to do that now, and I know of no-one that does, it looks set to continue to remain open; at least until someone is motivated to do the necessary work. It looks just like a lot of other nice-to-have features we want but can't yet resource. All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
NEEDINFO status on bugs vs. additional comments (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.)
leif wrote: Half the problem is communication. Very much to the point. 1) simply commenting a bug does _not_ remove NEEDINFO status - in this case, only if the submitter had commented _and_ changed status to NEW, the bugs wouldn't have been closed 2) exposing users to the technicalities of a bugtracking system will frustrate people on either side, every other time As much as the version field, the status field might be confusing. Let's collectively learn from that, and improve things going forward. Sorry for the mess - but I would hate us arguing over spilled milk, instead of moving ahead. Thanks all for the valuable feedback, -- Thorsten -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: NEEDINFO status on bugs vs. additional comments (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.)
2012/8/17 Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Sorry for the mess - but I would hate us arguing over spilled milk, instead of moving ahead. -- Thorsten +1 These are the most well spoken words in this case so far :-) Cheers, Leif -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: scalc 3.6 date format problem
Hi :)I think it's a matter of opinion whether it is a bug or not. I tend to agree with you both but it's difficult to judge without finding out the background to the decision to change. It might be worth posting a bug-report as a feature-request asking for it to be put back the way it was and see what it gets linked to or what happens to it. Regards fromTom :) --- On Thu, 16/8/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote: From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: scalc 3.6 date format problem To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 16 August, 2012, 19:57 Am 16.08.2012 19:05, Shaun Devlin wrote: Version 3.6 of Scalc treats a date entered in the format dd-MMM-yy as text, not as a date which can be displayed in a user selectable format. This is not true if the date is entered as mm/dd/yy or -mm-dd. This is a change from 3.5.X and I consider it a bug. Shaun Devlin No, it's considered as a new feature. Another thing that has been fixed without being broken. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] calc: text 180 degree oriented don't honor wrap settings
ciao, using opensuse 12.1, kde 4.9, LibreOffice 3.5:build-403 if in a calc cell you set: formatcells[alignment tab]: text orientationdegree=180 and wrap text automatically=yes the setting is not honored, the result is not wrapped text leaving the settings as above, if you set: text alignment horizontal=right the setting is not honored, the result is not right aligned text have you the same behaviour in your versions or operative systems?? ciao, thanks, pier -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Hi Michael and all, May I suggest that we try to close down the discussion and try to find an acceptable approach? I believe that Michaels earlier mail explained the context and (as I read it) also include a small *apologize*. I suggest that - we send a polite and excusing mail to all the involved bug submitters explaining the reason for the action taken and the flow behind the bug handling. Also explaining that we might have closed some issues that shouldn't have been closed - and that we are sorry about that. In such case ask the original submitter to reopen the issue. - we implement procedures in the future to avoid repetition of this misunderstanding - we all put this behind us and get to work ;-) Cheers, Leif 2012/8/17 Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:00 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: The latest from Florian in misspelled CAPS (which now brings us to the fact that the devs have touched this bug some 8 times without ever bothering to actually read it) - Bravo Florian, we read you 5 by 5: I've read it a couple of times over the years - and concluded that it's a minefield: of licensing - bundling GPL pieces, of odd requests: please checkin this binary into your source code revision control, and worse. It requires some real thought, research and unwinding to get it right. It is not a trivial matter of just shove XYZ file into your distribution - while that may work, it is not a sustainable way to develop software. Please don't think that because your bug is not commented on that it is not considered. In general I like to provide some positive input in bugs rather than the above. As such, we need to find someone to do the hard work to get the code provenance unwound, and grok the situation as to what can be included and how. Since I don't have the time to do that now, and I know of no-one that does, it looks set to continue to remain open; at least until someone is motivated to do the necessary work. It looks just like a lot of other nice-to-have features we want but can't yet resource. All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: text 180 degree oriented don't honor wrap settings
yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: ciao, using opensuse 12.1, kde 4.9, LibreOffice 3.5:build-403 if in a calc cell you set: formatcells[alignment tab]: text orientationdegree=180 and wrap text automatically=yes the setting is not honored, the result is not wrapped text leaving the settings as above, if you set: text alignment horizontal=right the setting is not honored, the result is not right aligned text have you the same behaviour in your versions or operative systems?? ciao, thanks, pier I use LO 3.5.6.2 (Debian 64 bit) downloaded from the LO website. I got the same results. I also checked what happens when using the other text alignment horizontal settings. No change was made regardless of the setting. Perhaps you should file a bug report? --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Hi :)+1 Regards fromTom :) --- On Fri, 17/8/12, Leif Lodahl leiflod...@gmail.com wrote: From: Leif Lodahl leiflod...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same. To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 17 August, 2012, 12:35 Hi Michael and all, May I suggest that we try to close down the discussion and try to find an acceptable approach? I believe that Michaels earlier mail explained the context and (as I read it) also include a small *apologize*. I suggest that - we send a polite and excusing mail to all the involved bug submitters explaining the reason for the action taken and the flow behind the bug handling. Also explaining that we might have closed some issues that shouldn't have been closed - and that we are sorry about that. In such case ask the original submitter to reopen the issue. - we implement procedures in the future to avoid repetition of this misunderstanding - we all put this behind us and get to work ;-) Cheers, Leif 2012/8/17 Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:00 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: The latest from Florian in misspelled CAPS (which now brings us to the fact that the devs have touched this bug some 8 times without ever bothering to actually read it) - Bravo Florian, we read you 5 by 5: I've read it a couple of times over the years - and concluded that it's a minefield: of licensing - bundling GPL pieces, of odd requests: please checkin this binary into your source code revision control, and worse. It requires some real thought, research and unwinding to get it right. It is not a trivial matter of just shove XYZ file into your distribution - while that may work, it is not a sustainable way to develop software. Please don't think that because your bug is not commented on that it is not considered. In general I like to provide some positive input in bugs rather than the above. As such, we need to find someone to do the hard work to get the code provenance unwound, and grok the situation as to what can be included and how. Since I don't have the time to do that now, and I know of no-one that does, it looks set to continue to remain open; at least until someone is motivated to do the necessary work. It looks just like a lot of other nice-to-have features we want but can't yet resource. All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Office 2013 to (finally) read and write Open XML
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/15/office_2013_strict_open_xml/ This should improve compatibility between LO and M$O. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
NOT! lol Re: off-list :) Re: [libreoffice-users] formatting
Hi :) Do!! This is very confusing! I'll be glad when i've got back to where i was before my 'hols' Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 17/8/12, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: off-list :) Re: [libreoffice-users] formatting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 17 August, 2012, 17:08 Hi :) Brilliant!! It's rare to see someone put that effort in to finding out and helping other people. Obviously there are a few people (such as Dan, Brian, Alex, Jay, Regina, hmmm, quite a few) and it's good to see someone possibly joining their ranks :) Nicely done! Congrats and regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 11/8/12, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote: From: Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] formatting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 11 August, 2012, 15:47 On 8/10/2012 7:44 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 16:31 10/08/2012 -0700, Andrew Brager wrote: The answer suddenly dawned on me. I believe it was Brian Barker that actually provided the solution to my problem, so he gets 90% of the credit. As he suggested to me, create a template. I think that might work for you too. If he's willing, Brian would be a better guide on how to do that than I. That's very kind of you, but I must protest! I don't recognise this description, and whoever really did you this favour deserves all that credit, not me. (Frustratingly, I cannot find his wonderful explanation to me. ... Er, neither can I! Brian Barker Turns out it was Dan. Sorry about that Dan (and Brian)! I trust you don't mind if I repost your explanation of how to use templates? Anne - Perhaps you'll be able to adapt it to your situation. There's some help in the help file - use defaults;fonts as your search string. If that's not enough, maybe Dan (or anyone else) can help you. Or, I could be wrong about the solution. Dan wrote in a different thread: I think your subject points to what you want: the term Default. You need a default template with the styles you use regularly. What you need to do is to create a Writer document with the styles that you want to use. You will need to use an empty line for each paragraph style you want and apply a style on each line. You also need to look at Tools Options LibreOffice Paths. There Templates has two paths listed separated by a semi-colon. The latter is the path where you want to save your document as a template. Then save the document as a template using the second template path. (*.ott This is one of the formats available when saving a file.) File Templates Organize Templates. Double click the My Templates folder to open it. Your template should appear under My Templates folder. If not, right click My Templates and select, Import Templates. Browse to where you saved your template, and select it. Now it should be visible. Now, right click your template. Select Set as Default. Close LO. Any time you open Writer, you will be using the template you have just created. Title will be available all the time. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed
I filter on [libreoffice-users] and Ref:[libreoffice-users] in Subject line with no problems. I route them to a local folder LibreOffice. I do it for various lists. Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Is it possible to set filters to look for items in a subject-line instead of looking at where replies might go to? Messages from the users list always seem to have [libreoffice-users] in the subject-line but not always in the same place ... Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 14/8/12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 14 August, 2012, 15:24 On 08/14/2012 08:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2012-08-13 4:01 PM, Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yesterday, your changes broke my email filter which puts libreoffice user group messages in a specific folder. But then I changed the filter from looking at Reply-To: to To: and thought that would suffice. Now, this morning I got 7 libreoffice messages in my correct folder via my filter change, and 4 messages direct from members in my main inbox, which my filter did not catch. Your change may make it easy for you, but it is a nightmare for me. There is no way I can create filters for all users who use their address. Wrong. In Thunderbird, just use the 'From, To, Cc or Bcc' option... I make sure the message filter checks if the email address is in any of the options stated above. It really works, except when someone sends the reply to the list and to me directly. At that point I get both messages in the LibreOffice folder based on which list it is part of - i.e. this list is in the LibreO - Users Global folder and the website list uses LibreO - Website folder. I have been using Thunderbird for many years. The only problem I have is I cannot save the message filters. When I have a system crash [when using Windows] and had to reinstall Windows, I had no ability to reload the message filters as I can with the saved emails and address-book. When I went from Windows to Ubuntu for my default system, I had to rebuild the Message Filtering that had several years of growth that I had to rebuild from scratch. -- off topic --- I currently read my emails from only one computer - my Ubuntu 10.04 desktop. If I need to deal with emails on a different computer, I use my domain/email hosting system's web-mail system. Since I use the Ubuntu desktop, a Dell laptop running Ubuntu 12.04/MATE and Vista, HP laptop running XP/pro, an Android tablet, a Ubuntu 10.04 desktop attached to my HD-TV set for the types of Internet audio/video that my Blu-ray player cannot do, and a few more desktops running Ubuntu or XP that are spares or will be given to others who need them and cannot afford to buy one themselves. With this mix of system being used for various tasks, I would have a mess if I tried to read emails on more than one system, even if I could get a sync system to work properly between the various Windows and Ubuntu systems. I currently use a 1 TB and a 2 TB USB external hard drive[s] for backing up my main Ubuntu desktop [it has the two drives - 1 TB and 2 TB - installed]. Then I can use these external drives to play AVI and MPG/MP4 files on my TV via the Blu-ray player or listen to audio books with the ability to deal with the volume and play/pause controls of the Blu-ray player and not having to get up out of my comfy chair to do so with my computer. The down side of this is the USB drives must be Windows formatted and it takes a long time to defrag/optimize the 2 TB drive. With 324 GB free space on that drive, it has been over 26 hours running the Auslogics Disk Defrag software on a Dell laptop - Pentium Dual core CPU T3200 @ 2.00 GHz, 32-bit Vista, with 3 GB of RAM. I must keep the drives formatted to Windows systems so the Windows computers and the Blu-ray player can access them. But that is a small price to pay for having all my media and data file accessible to all my computers and media players that can use an external USB drive. It is much better than having to load up a 32 GB microSD flash card, and use a USB card reader, to share the file[s] between devices. Much slower as well. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove?
Hi :) Depends which type of Ram. 'Old' DDR1 (such as for most of mine) is so horribly expensive it would be cheaper for me to buy a new mbord, plus chip, plus a healthy amount of DDR3 leaving a couple of slots for a future upgrade. On the even older machines at work the 'ancient' sd-ram is difficult to even find. I think you have to find an antiques shop rather than a computer store. We bought 4 'new' Cpus for about £50, which is less than 1 decent stick of DDR1 ram so now those 4 are only horribly slow rather than being mind-bogglingly putrifying heaps of horrible slowness. Quite a step up!! You can ask them to do 2 things at once and it might even finish before the kettle's boiled now! (rather than after lunch). If those machines got newer hard-drives that spun faster than a buckled bicycle wheel in thick mud then they might run a tad faster and with SSDs they might only 'run' at a mildly annoying slow crawl - even on Windows. Usually the bottle-neck tends to be Ram, or at least Ram is the easiest fix but it's not always so. Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 10/8/12, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com Date: Friday, 10 August, 2012, 23:08 On 2012-08-10 2:54 PM, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: There is a point of diminishing returns where more memory will not noticeably improve performance depending on usage with increasing memory. But the demands on the computer tend to increase with time as people use more graphically intensive applications/websites. Personally, I prefer install the maximum the motherboard can handle. No argument there, especial as cheap as RAM is these days... ;) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove?
Hi :) Have you tried Glest and Battle for Wesnoth? I'm not an FPS fan so i've not tried Alien Arena (well i have but i die t fast on-line) but there are many legacy games such as Elite and other classics. Also http://trine-thegame.com/site/ http://www.unixmen.com/gaming-on-linux1131-19-awesome-opensource-games-for-linux/ Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 10/8/12, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote: From: Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 10 August, 2012, 21:00 You clearly don't play video games :^) On 8/10/2012 6:02 AM, Lynne Stevens wrote: *Might also upgrade to Linux a windows is not one of the better systems to use for anything . -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Office 2013 to (finally) read and write Open XML
Am 17.08.2012 16:31, T. R. Valentine wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/15/office_2013_strict_open_xml/ This should improve compatibility between LO and M$O. Microsoft announcments http://peanuts.wikia.com/wiki/Football_Gag -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply settings on this list have changed
On 16/08/2012 at 16:28, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: BTW - what is PM ? Personal (Private) Message. Wikipedia article showed up as fourth entry when I asked Google about PM forum. But since Google personalizes search results (according to past queries of user), it's much harder to tell people just fscking Google it. They actually might have done that and still don't get answers. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Process
Michael, No one is upset that a bug almost two years was not resolved. The file in question appeared to have been dropped (in other words, it was in the product, and then it wasn't), and we could find no explanation for why it was dropped, which suggests that somewhere there is a QA issue, but that is another problem altogether, isn't it? We did our best to document the existence of the file over the course of various incarnations and branches of the software and waited for some dev to confirm what we had found and respond to our suggestions. The frustration arose over the fact that the only documented review of the bug by anyone other than reporters was procedural. My comments regarding passive aggressiveness had to do with the repeated fiddling of the file without the file getting assigned for any review in a manner that did not appear in any way to move the process forward. That works both ways, and if someone wants respect for moving something forward, there should likewise be some respect for those documenting the bugs. As far as your recommendation, Please don't think that because your bug is not commented on that it is not considered, I respectfully suggest that that is just what one should think, in as much as that is what happens in any tracker I have ever been involved in. The bug gets assigned to a Dev (I believe this bug never was) and an analysis is done (and there was no analysis done in that I believe it was never assigned.) Had it been assigned I am sure the assignee would have reviewed the comments, looked at the files referenced, and commented in the bug, addressing priority, issues, etc. I don't think anyone reporting on the bug was willing to go further until someone from the Dev team provided some review and guidance, which, of course, was not forthcoming. More importantly from a project (engineering, lol) standpoint, however, a review without comment means that the time reviewed is arguably lost to the project because there is then no record of the results of that review. I have dealt in other projects with inconsistent licensing (using one issue you mention), and when a dev has commented that licensing needed to be aligned I have addressed that. But there has been no such analysis documented in this item (again, arguaby because it was never assigned to anyone.) I am done with it. I had hoped to make a point and move on (prompted in no small part by the suggestion that the foundation take zotero under its aegis), and but for my take on incremental issues regarding lack of proper contextual help in the tracker, I would have. But as I have tried to suggest, respect is a two way street. Will I move my systems to AOO? I don't know yet. But I won't be reporting any more bugs. On 8/17/12 1:13 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:00 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: The latest from Florian in misspelled CAPS (which now brings us to the fact that the devs have touched this bug some 8 times without ever bothering to actually read it) - Bravo Florian, we read you 5 by 5: I've read it a couple of times over the years - and concluded that it's a minefield: of licensing - bundling GPL pieces, of odd requests: please checkin this binary into your source code revision control, and worse. It requires some real thought, research and unwinding to get it right. It is not a trivial matter of just shove XYZ file into your distribution - while that may work, it is not a sustainable way to develop software. Please don't think that because your bug is not commented on that it is not considered. In general I like to provide some positive input in bugs rather than the above. As such, we need to find someone to do the hard work to get the code provenance unwound, and grok the situation as to what can be included and how. Since I don't have the time to do that now, and I know of no-one that does, it looks set to continue to remain open; at least until someone is motivated to do the necessary work. It looks just like a lot of other nice-to-have features we want but can't yet resource. All the best, Michael. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: NEEDINFO status on bugs vs. additional comments
+1 +1 On 8/17/12 1:12 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: leif wrote: Half the problem is communication. Very much to the point. 1) simply commenting a bug does _not_ remove NEEDINFO status - in this case, only if the submitter had commented _and_ changed status to NEW, the bugs wouldn't have been closed 2) exposing users to the technicalities of a bugtracking system will frustrate people on either side, every other time As much as the version field, the status field might be confusing. Let's collectively learn from that, and improve things going forward. Sorry for the mess - but I would hate us arguing over spilled milk, instead of moving ahead. Thanks all for the valuable feedback, -- Thorsten -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Office 2013 to (finally) read and write Open XML
Dňa 17.08.2012 18:52, Andreas Säger wrote / napísal(a): Am 17.08.2012 16:31, T. R. Valentine wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/15/office_2013_strict_open_xml/ This should improve compatibility between LO and M$O. Does anybody know how far is LO with implementation of Strict Open XML? Fully done? Or just a part of it? Milos Microsoft announcments http://peanuts.wikia.com/wiki/Football_Gag -- email jabber: sramek.mi...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Office 2013 to (finally) read and write Open XML
Am 17.08.2012 21:30, Milos Sramek wrote: Dňa 17.08.2012 18:52, Andreas Säger wrote / napísal(a): Am 17.08.2012 16:31, T. R. Valentine wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/15/office_2013_strict_open_xml/ This should improve compatibility between LO and M$O. Does anybody know how far is LO with implementation of Strict Open XML? Fully done? Or just a part of it? Milos The file format called Office Open XML will never be implemented by any software other than Microsoft Office. It is far too much for a comparatively small package like LibreOffice or OpenOffice. When anybody has written a clone of MS Office with the exact same feature set (may be next decade?), MS will come up with the next bloated bullshit. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] calc: text 180 degree oriented don't honor wrap settings
yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: On 17/08/12 13:35, Dan wrote: yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: ciao, using opensuse 12.1, kde 4.9, LibreOffice 3.5:build-403 if in a calc cell you set: formatcells[alignment tab]: text orientationdegree=180 and wrap text automatically=yes the setting is not honored, the result is not wrapped text leaving the settings as above, if you set: text alignment horizontal=right the setting is not honored, the result is not right aligned text have you the same behaviour in your versions or operative systems?? ciao, thanks, pier I use LO 3.5.6.2 (Debian 64 bit) downloaded from the LO website. I got the same results. I also checked what happens when using the other text alignment horizontal settings. No change was made regardless of the setting. Perhaps you should file a bug report? --Dan I was trying to file a bug, but I cannot find how to submit, I compiled everything but a button or something other to submit the bug is absent. I have filed a bug for you. It is Bug #53654. I noticed a couple of things that I have added. It only happens when the text is automatically wrapped, and when the orientation is between 91 and 269 degrees. The link I use to file a bug report is https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/. If you are not a registered member, you will need to create an account. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [3.6] listening on the network
On 08/17/2012 12:04 AM, Philippe Naudin wrote: Le jeu. 16 août 2012 19:38:31 CEST, NoOp a écrit: ... I can't replicate on the deb version with: Rootkit Hunter version 1.3.8 What version of rkhunter have you: rkhunter --update to ensure that your rkhunter is up to date? Version 3.6.0.4 (Build ID: 932b512) I won't be able to check an rpm version until later - sorry. Hi, Thanks for your reply. I'm using a rpm ;), it is rkhunter-1.4.0-1.el5. I'm installing that now on Fedora 17 to test. Of course I can get rkhunter silent with something like DISABLE_TESTS=hidden_ports or ALLOWPROCLISTEN=soffice.bin. In this case it will not complain about LibreOffice listening on the network... even when I open a file with some malware inside. Can you check the output of this command : lsof -U | grep soffice With LibreOffice-3.5, I get only one line (/tmp/OSL_PIPE_...), but with LibreOffice-3.6 I get two more lines, two unix sockets. Regards, LO3.5: $ lsof -U | grep soffice soffice.b 10636 gg3u unix 0x 0t0 3994910 socket soffice.b 10636 gg7u unix 0x 0t0 3994914 socket soffice.b 10636 gg9u unix 0x 0t0 3994918 /tmp/OSL_PIPE_1000_SingleOfficeIPC_5fb899de7f8c215610dccf91954a6c soffice.b 10636 gg 12u unix 0x 0t0 3994992 socket soffice.b 10636 gg 26u unix 0x 0t0 4004457 socket soffice.b 10636 gg 28u unix 0x 0t0 4004462 socket soffice.b 10636 gg 29u unix 0x 0t0 4005488 socket soffice.b 10636 gg 33u unix 0x 0t0 4005654 socket LO3.6: $ lsof -U | grep soffice soffice.b 10807 gg6u unix 0x 0t0 4079489 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 10u unix 0x 0t0 4079493 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 13u unix 0x 0t0 4079497 /tmp/OSL_PIPE_1000_SingleOfficeIPC_cc556045c3355e1abfd1d44ea4ee4532 soffice.b 10807 gg 15u unix 0x 0t0 4079499 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 24u unix 0x 0t0 4079581 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 26u unix 0x 0t0 4079663 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 27u unix 0x 0t0 4079762 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 32u unix 0x 0t0 4079938 socket -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: scalc 3.6 date format problem
I am using Libre Office 3.6.0.4 on an iMac 10.8 if I enter the date as 17/08/12 it is displayed as 17/08/2012. No doubt whatsoever that the date is being accepted using ddmmyy Tink -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/scalc-3-6-date-format-problem-tp4001880p4002120.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: scalc 3.6 date format problem
Am 17.08.2012 22:12, Tinkerer wrote: I am using Libre Office 3.6.0.4 on an iMac 10.8 if I enter the date as 17/08/12 it is displayed as 17/08/2012. No doubt whatsoever that the date is being accepted using ddmmyy OK, we could collect valid input pattern for dates in 180 different locales. 1) German: Input of 1/8/12 gives a text. All spreadsheets I know treat 1/8/12 as a number of subtype date. Same with 1/8/ or 1/8 or even 1/ but not LibO 3.6 2) English(UK): 1/8/12 yields the day number of 1st of August 2012, 1/8/ yields this year's 1st of August, 1/8 and 1/ yield text. 3) English(US): 1/8/12 yields the day number of 8th of January 2012, 1/8/ yields this year's 8th of January, 1/8 and 1/ yield text. I believe that the OP's date entry is not recognized because the - is not the one and only date separator for the locale he is using. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [3.6] listening on the network
On 08/17/2012 01:27 PM, NoOp wrote: On 08/17/2012 12:04 AM, Philippe Naudin wrote: ... Thanks for your reply. I'm using a rpm ;), it is rkhunter-1.4.0-1.el5. I'm installing that now on Fedora 17 to test. Of course I can get rkhunter silent with something like DISABLE_TESTS=hidden_ports or ALLOWPROCLISTEN=soffice.bin. In this case it will not complain about LibreOffice listening on the network... even when I open a file with some malware inside. Can you check the output of this command : lsof -U | grep soffice With LibreOffice-3.5, I get only one line (/tmp/OSL_PIPE_...), but with LibreOffice-3.6 I get two more lines, two unix sockets. Regards, LO3.5: $ lsof -U | grep soffice soffice.b 10636 gg3u unix 0x 0t0 3994910 socket soffice.b 10636 gg7u unix 0x 0t0 3994914 socket soffice.b 10636 gg9u unix 0x 0t0 3994918 /tmp/OSL_PIPE_1000_SingleOfficeIPC_5fb899de7f8c215610dccf91954a6c soffice.b 10636 gg 12u unix 0x 0t0 3994992 socket soffice.b 10636 gg 26u unix 0x 0t0 4004457 socket soffice.b 10636 gg 28u unix 0x 0t0 4004462 socket soffice.b 10636 gg 29u unix 0x 0t0 4005488 socket soffice.b 10636 gg 33u unix 0x 0t0 4005654 socket LO3.6: $ lsof -U | grep soffice soffice.b 10807 gg6u unix 0x 0t0 4079489 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 10u unix 0x 0t0 4079493 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 13u unix 0x 0t0 4079497 /tmp/OSL_PIPE_1000_SingleOfficeIPC_cc556045c3355e1abfd1d44ea4ee4532 soffice.b 10807 gg 15u unix 0x 0t0 4079499 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 24u unix 0x 0t0 4079581 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 26u unix 0x 0t0 4079663 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 27u unix 0x 0t0 4079762 socket soffice.b 10807 gg 32u unix 0x 0t0 4079938 socket And from Fedora 17 (rpm) LO3.6: $ lsof -U | grep soffice soffice.b 30094 gg6u unix 0xf4440b40 0t0 116738 socket soffice.b 30094 gg 10u unix 0xf4441d40 0t0 116742 /tmp/OSL_PIPE_1000_SingleOfficeIPC_5d6a40e77981cf59bf3a90df38dfa5f7 soffice.b 30094 gg 27u unix 0xf44406c0 0t0 116776 socket soffice.b 30094 gg 28u unix 0xf4441680 0t0 116778 socket soffice.b 30094 gg 33u unix 0xdb205680 0t0 116782 socket $ rkhunter --version Rootkit Hunter 1.4.0 No warnings regarding anything 'soffice' in the rkhunter logs. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Office 2013 to (finally) read and write Open XML
Hi :) I think the problem is that MS Office 2010's and 2007's versions of docX, xlsX, (etc ) are not the same as each other and not the same as the ISO standard they managed to push through. For most programs the differences would be considered bugs and work would be done to make the program more compatible with the standard. For MS Office those differences seem to be considered enhancements and wont ever get fixed. So, which one should LO aim for? Should it aim for compatibility with MSO 2010's or 2007's implementation of the docX (etc)? An added complication appears to be that (just like with the Rtf format) those differences are not published so differences would have to be found and reverse engineered before the devs can start working on increasing compatibility. With the Rtf format Micorsoft apparently got taken to court, again, and lost again. So now they are no longer developing the Rtf format and the new docX (etc) ISO standard makes much the same promises that were made with Rtf. That is why Andreas' link to the annual Peanuts joke was so apt. People are once again under the impression that MS will deliver what it promises, compatibility. If it can't even be compatible with it's own native OOXML format and seems to use those incompatibilities to force people to keep buying newer and newer versions of their programs then just how much can we rely on their implementation of the OpenDocument Format's (pre-existing) ISO format as used by almost everyone that is not MS? Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 17/8/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote: From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Office 2013 to (finally) read and write Open XML To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 17 August, 2012, 20:53 Am 17.08.2012 21:30, Milos Sramek wrote: Dňa 17.08.2012 18:52, Andreas Säger wrote / napísal(a): Am 17.08.2012 16:31, T. R. Valentine wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/15/office_2013_strict_open_xml/ This should improve compatibility between LO and M$O. Does anybody know how far is LO with implementation of Strict Open XML? Fully done? Or just a part of it? Milos The file format called Office Open XML will never be implemented by any software other than Microsoft Office. It is far too much for a comparatively small package like LibreOffice or OpenOffice. When anybody has written a clone of MS Office with the exact same feature set (may be next decade?), MS will come up with the next bloated bullshit. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove?
Hi :) I think Win7 uses less resources than Vista. it was the first time they de-bloated their OS = an attempt to fit it onto mobile devices such as tablets (ok, not very mobile but more mobile than desktops). So upgrading from Vista to Win7 might well be a good idea without worrying about upgrading Ram. Just play a few games! It's games that typically push the limits of computers and push people into upgrading hardware. Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 10/8/12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Friday, 10 August, 2012, 14:07 On 08/10/2012 05:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2012-08-08 4:19 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I will say though... I consider 1GB to be the *bare minumum* on an XP box but it will still be sluggish. I couldn't use it with 512MB, it would drive me to drink. For XP, I always recommend 2GB, and for 7 (won't touch Vista), minimum is 4GB. The system came with 512 from the factory. All the systems I dealt with that had XP from the factory has 512 for ram. Irrelevant to my point. The fact is, XP is simply a total DOG with less than 1GB RAM, and is much better with 2GB. I do not have Win7, but would like to replace my Vista laptop with it. Just be sure to get 64bit with at *least* 4GB, but much better would be 8G. Sorry, but my Vista laptop maxed out at 3 GB, so I will need to install Win7 with 3 GB. It was not made for Win7 but almost anything is better than Vista. I doubt that I will be able to get it to have more memory than the 3 GB installed, but I will look into it. I want to get that system upgraded in the near future so I can deal with the Win7 people and their LO needs. It is getting to be a problem not having a Win7 system for supporting people. I prefer Ubuntu, but most of my friends use Win7 now. Only one uses Linux. I really want to keep supporting LO under Windows, so as people buy new systems with Win7, I am loosing ground with them. One girl bought a very powerful 17 laptop, just to type notes, play videos, and browse the Net. She spent three times as much as needed for doing just that type of work. I would love such a laptop, but I cannot afford one like that. At least she is using LO now and not get convinced that she had to have MSO. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
