Re: [libreoffice-users] eastern font in new version
On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 19:14:54 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Hello Doug, load. What would you do with a ROM on a modern computer system? Where would you plug it in? Andrew should have said ROM /image/. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent You're only 29 got a lot to learn Seventeen - Sex Pistols -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Scaling with respect to display resolution
Hello, if I select 100% scaling in LibreOffice Writer the sheet appears much bigger on the display than in reality. I use Linux X.org 11.0 with a KDE environment and xdpyinfo reports screen #0: dimensions:1680x1050 pixels (331x207 millimeters) resolution:129x129 dots per inch which is correct. Any other program (Gimp, PDF viewer, Inkscape) that deals with real sizes behaves correctly. That means, if I create an object with a length of 1cm and I put a ruler in front of my display, the object really appears as 1cm. It seems that LibreOffice always assumes a display resolution of 75dpi. Is there any option to change this behaviour? Best regards, Matthias Nagel -- Matthias Nagel Parkstraße 27 76131 Karlsruhe Mobil: +49-151-15998774 e-Mail: matthias.h.na...@gmail.com ICQ: 499797758 Skype: nagmat84 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Scaling with respect to display resolution
Hi Matthias + all users, I had a problem possibly related to your problem with the display size of a writer document working with kde/gnu-Linux. It seems, as when any .odt file stores the size of the window in the file. However, if you start (while libreoffice is running) soffice --writer --headless -pt printer any file newly opened file will be displayed in a reduced window. I noticed, that registrymodifications.xcu is changed. However, manipulating this file does not help, because this file will be updated every 5 minutes. Which process is responsbel for thet? And wher do I get further information on that nasty behaviour. Yours Walther Am Sonntag, 4. August 2013 schrieb Matthias Nagel: Hello, if I select 100% scaling in LibreOffice Writer the sheet appears much bigger on the display than in reality. I use Linux X.org 11.0 with a KDE environment and xdpyinfo reports screen #0: dimensions:1680x1050 pixels (331x207 millimeters) resolution:129x129 dots per inch which is correct. Any other program (Gimp, PDF viewer, Inkscape) that deals with real sizes behaves correctly. That means, if I create an object with a length of 1cm and I put a ruler in front of my display, the object really appears as 1cm. It seems that LibreOffice always assumes a display resolution of 75dpi. Is there any option to change this behaviour? Best regards, Matthias Nagel -- Matthias Nagel Parkstraße 27 76131 Karlsruhe Mobil: +49-151-15998774 e-Mail: matthias.h.na...@gmail.com ICQ: 499797758 Skype: nagmat84 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats
Hi :) Any chance of going back to the 4.0.4? It might be worth trying to rename your User Profile to see if that fixes it https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Is there any chance of uploading the label.xml to Nabble so that people here can have a look? It might be good to make a bug-report about this https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport one of the steps helps you look for duplicates and if something does already exist that might help you work-around the problem Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Frank Peters frank.pet...@comcast.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 22:04 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats Hello, After installing libreoffice-4.1.0.4 I tried to create mailing labels using File -- New -- Labels. When I get the dialog screen, every pre-defined label format that is shown has all formatting fields set to zero with 1x1 for columns x rows. For example, Avery Letter 5160 shows all margins 0 with 1x1 columns x rows. This, of course, is not correct. The same values appear for *every* pre-defined label of every type. What is happening? Why can't libreoffice retrieve the correct format values for these pre-defined labels. I checked for the share/labels/labels.xml and it is present. This file presumably contains all the format information for the pre-defined labels. How can I fix this problem? Frank Peters -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice installation issue.
Hi :) LibreOffice is tightly integrated and attempting to install only 1 or 2 components doesn't save you much disk-space. They all use the main core. Each module/component/'program'/'app' adds only a tiny bit extra on top. If all you want is a spreadsheet then Gnumeric is a standalone spreadsheet program and is sometimes faster or more sophisticated than Calc or Excel. It might look rudimentary on the surface but only because all their work goes into the under-the-bonnet stuff https://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/ https://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/downloads.shtml For picture editing you might find a dedicated scalar-vector graphics program better http://inkscape.org/ or a photo-editor that looks a bit like Photoshop http://www.gimp.org/ for which the Windows down-loader is here http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/ Personally although i really like Gimp in GnuLinux i find it's Windows version a pain. In GnuLinux when you want to save in a different format you just change the file-ending from .jpg or .gif or .png or whatever to the format you do want. It then gives a pop-up listing lots of options but the defaults are fine so just Ok and job-done. In the Windows version you can only save in xcf format and have to use File - Export - and then choose the format, and then deal with the same pop-up. So, if you are doing graphic design then inkscape is probably one of the best. If you are doing photo-editing on Windows then possibly Gimp. If you are on GnuLinux, such as Ubuntu, SuSE or other then definitely Gimp. However there are lots of different programs for drawing so it really depends on what you are doing. Apparently if you are uploading your photos to picassa then they have a pretty neat drawing tool that you can use without even installing it on your machine (ie it's a Cloud-based app). Regards from Tom :) From: Sandor Marton sandor.mar...@sparc-systems.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 8:37 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice installation issue. To Whom it May Concern, I've installed the latest version of Libre Office to my PC. Version 4.1.04. I selected only calc and draw programs to be installed, along with language English (UK) only. Doing that the program wouldn't run after successful installation. After the failure I uninstalled it and I could see only invalid characters in the uninstall dialogue box. I think unselecting the language English (US) or English (South Africa ?) was a mistake but I was able to do it and it is wrong. If the language is essential for the application to run it shouldn't be an option to install. I also find very hard to find this email address on your website. I bit frustrating Needless to say, the program is off the PC and not going back for a while. Good luck next time. Regards, Sandor Marton Sandor MartonSenior Software DeveloperSparc Systems Ltd.—- IMPORTANT NOTE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifies and with authority, states them to be the views of Sparc Systems Ltd.http://sparc-systems.co.uk http://checkweigh.co.uk sa...@sparc-systems.co.uk -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: seems a bug problem
Hi ) Did this problem get solved in the end? I'm sure i remember a few people posting to this thread but in Nabble the thread appears to have 0 replies. Paolo, if you still have problems with this then please let us know. Regards from Tom :) Paolo Debortoli wrote using LO 4.0.0.3 on linux ubuntu: I created a text document; inserted a a4 big jpg image (135,1 kb). when I tried to convert it in pdf format, it returned different mistakes 'not enough free space', 'not authorized to create the object' and so on... then i removed the jpg image and the document was successfully exported... compattibility ? print rights ? boh! Paolo Debortoli -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/seems-a-bug-problem-tp4068420p4068743.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] eastern font in new version
Hi Doug Ah! sorry, to explain it's now referred to as a ROM, for the emulators. Whoever, has taken the code off the tapes/plugin cartridges/CD's etc and created a digital file with the extension .rom. This is now how the games are distributed for the emulators, no more hardware involved. So the only place on today's modern hardware, where you plug the ROM in, is in the emulators folder. Just do a Google search for Emulator game ROM's, and you'll understand what I am on about. Regards Andrew Brown On 04/08/2013 01:14 AM, Doug wrote: On 08/03/2013 06:05 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Doug Wow that's a blast from the past, I remember this game on a port for the Commodore 64 and Spectravideo 328 I owned so long ago. No, no port to Linux or Windows, but you can use an emulator, such as on this webpage, they can run on Windows and Linux http://www.atariage.com/2600/emulation/, (and many webpages like it, just Google Atari Emulator) and then acquire the Eastern Front ROM. Plus depending on which Linux distro you use, if you use Linux, you can find many emulators on the install disk waiting to be installed. All I can say at the moment, the emulators are legal but to acquire the ROM is not, as they still retain copyright. But if you can figure it out from here, you are on your way. http://www.atariage.com/2600/emulation/ Andrew Brown I don't remember a ROM--it seems to me that the game came on either tape or CD, or maybe floppy, and I remember it took forever to load. What would you do with a ROM on a modern computer system? Where would you plug it in? --doug On 03/08/2013 07:29 AM, Doug wrote: On 08/02/2013 09:03 AM, Mark Stanton wrote: /snip/ Does anybody know if the old Atari game, Eastern Front has been ported to Linux, or even to Windows? --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working
Hi :) Did you get good answers to this and/or have you solved the problem now? If not then please let us know the current situation and if anything has changed. If you did fix it then it would be nice to know that too but it's not really necessary to tell us if you don't have the time for it. Regards from Tom :) From: Joseph Hesse joehe...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working Hi, I am using writer 4.x. I formatted an 8.5 x 11 page as follows: Top, Bottom margin = 0.25 Body is a table with 1 column and 3 rows. The top row has a height of 5. The middle row has a height of 0.5. The bottom row has a height of 5. The numbers 0.25+5+0.5+5+0.25 add up to 11. The table will not fit on one page, the bottom row goes to a new page. How do I fix this? Thank you, Joe Hesse -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Highlighted text blinks
I'm using LO 4.0.4.2 on Win7-64, but I first started noticing this at least with v3.6, maybe earlier. In Writer, when I highlight a selection of text, about once per second that highlighted area blinks (the highlighted coloring goes away for a split-second, then comes back). Is there any way to stop that blinking? -- -- Tim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice installation issue.
Tom Davies wrote: I didn't think it was possible to install just 2 or 3 of the modules. I haven't checked recently, but for years, with OpenOffice, it has been an option, though it didn't save much disk space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Hi :) To put it as simply as possible ... A new branch starts off full of new stuff and some of that new stuff might cause unexpected problems on some machines. There is no way around it. It's not possible to test a new program on all possible combinations of hardware, OSes, programs and configurations. During alpha and beta testing the new release is tested on as many systems as reasonably possible. More people could help with that by running pre-release versions early on and reporting back any issues. I try to but never seem to have the time and never really try out many different features anyway. So, the x.x.0 gets released and people start using it and reporting back some of the issues they find with it. Some of those along with known issues and even obscure issues get fixed. Instead of doing little updates every couple of days, like some programs do, these all get wrapped up into the next release, the x.x.1 rinse and repeat to get the x.x.2 and again for the x.x.3 At this point most people say the branch is about as stable as possible so it starts being called stable branch. However nothing new has been added for some time and some people have lots of exciting new ideas or have been working on something for years and finally got it working, others have been getting bored and started looking at other projects to get involved with to do more exciting things there. So, while a lot of the devs stick with bug-fixes there are also a lot that move to an even newer branch. So we have x.x.4 = now called stable branch although earlier release in the same branch are not any more stable than they were before x.y.0 = newer branch then both branches develop alongside each other for a while giving us x.x.5 = stable x.y.1 = new(ish) and then x.x.6 = very stable x.y.2 = getting there for the 1st time ever we ended up getting x.x.7 = very stable x.y.3 = stable x.z.0 = new branch all at the same time. Normally we don't bother with the .7 but the end of the 3.blah.blah was a bit momentous. ( 3 has been around for years and years and moving to the 4 meant some significant changes. I hadn't realised about the desktop-integration being pulled in and probably missed all the other changes too. I was more concerned about javaaccessibility issues but i think Stuart informed us that the newer java-access-bridge does now work with the newer LO releases. So people don't need to stick with the 3.6.x branch to get their screen-readers working. ) Of course that is a bit simplistic. The x.y.0 includes all the fixes that go into the x.x.4(ish) and maybe more as well. However because of all the new stuff it might also suffer (or benefit from) regressions, some old problem might re-emerge, some new issues might arise. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Also the x.z.0 might introduce some killer feature that you just can't do without. It's often better to start with a x.z.0 release because if you do find flaws and post bug-reports it catches the most devs attention and it's the point where the least number of users are posting bug-reports. You are something like 25% more likely to get your pet-peeves dealt with at that time than at any other time or for any other release. So, the 3.6.7 is extremely stable. The 4.0.3 and now the 4.0.4 'should be' plenty stable enough that hardly anyone has problems. I gather the 4.0.3 was a bit of a let down but the 4.0.4 made up for that. We 'should' initially try the 4.1.0 on our own machines but roll out the 4.0.4 (or wait for the 4.0.5) for machines that need to be stable. Of course of the 4.1.0 has no problems in your environment then roll that one out. It should be stable enough for almost every set-up even though stability is not it's main aim. Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice installation issue.
Hi :) Was that just on GnuLinux (and presumably Bsd) or on Windows too? Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 12:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice installation issue. Tom Davies wrote: I didn't think it was possible to install just 2 or 3 of the modules. I haven't checked recently, but for years, with OpenOffice, it has been an option, though it didn't save much disk space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice installation issue.
Tom Davies wrote: Was that just on GnuLinux (and presumably Bsd) or on Windows too? Both, IIRC, but I've never installed just part of it. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe
Hi :) Annoyingly in my email 'client' the address users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org is shown looking like unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org is the email address and the users+ as being some strange extra bit that is not really part of the address. I'm guessing that happens with some other email 'clients' that are in common usage these days. The users+ part is an important part of the address so it really needs to be the entire line users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Also it's fairly rare to find a signature that is actually helpful. Mostly we get so used to completely ignoring useless disclaimers and hopeful messages about having been scanned by some embarrassingly ancient antivirus them that we don't even bother to read even the good ones. Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org; nj...@juno.com Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 12:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe Nicholas Micalone wrote: To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org This should be at the bottom of the messages To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] writer macro record function missing
Hi To be able to use the Macro recorder you need to activate Experimental feautres. You do this opening the menu Tools - Options (on Mac it's the menu LibreOffice - Preferences). In the dialog open LibreOffice - General and at the bottom you find a check-box that says Enable experimental (unstable) features. This should be activated. When this is activated then you'll find the menu entry Tools - Macros - Record Macro and you should be able to continue following the instructions in help. Let us know if you run into any more issues with this. /Niklas MissKeating skrev 2013-08-03 17:45: Using LO-writer Version 3.6.1.2 (Build ID: e29a214), the unhelpful help says that in order to record a macro, one should: Choose *Tools - Macros - Record Macro*. Under *Tools - Macros -- *there are just 3 live options: *Run Macro -- Organize Macros -- Organize Dialogs. *A fourth, Digital Signature, is grayed out. There is no *Record *facility, either at the expected menu level, or under *Run*or *Organize*. It is hard to see the relevance, but for completeness:this is all happening on an Acer laptop running Curtains 7; 2 GHz P6100; 3 mB L3 cache; 4 gB. If one ever managed to generate a macro, then there would be this problem: *To save the macro, first select the object where you want the macro to be saved in the Save macro in list box.* What is an object in this context? Is it what we would know as a subdirectory, or is there yet another new level of understanding to be mastered here? trj -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working
Hi :) Thanks and congrats :) Nicely done Regards from Tom :) From: Joseph Hesse joehe...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 13:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working Hello, Your answers helped, I decreased some of the dimensions by a tiny fraction of an inch to get it all to fit. Thank you, Joe On 08/04/2013 05:55 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Did you get good answers to this and/or have you solved the problem now? If not then please let us know the current situation and if anything has changed. If you did fix it then it would be nice to know that too but it's not really necessary to tell us if you don't have the time for it. Regards from Tom :) From: Joseph Hesse joehe...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working Hi, I am using writer 4.x. I formatted an 8.5 x 11 page as follows: Top, Bottom margin = 0.25 Body is a table with 1 column and 3 rows. The top row has a height of 5. The middle row has a height of 0.5. The bottom row has a height of 5. The numbers 0.25+5+0.5+5+0.25 add up to 11. The table will not fit on one page, the bottom row goes to a new page. How do I fix this? Thank you, Joe Hesse -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Annoyingly in my email 'client' the address users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org is shown looking like unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org is the email address and the users+ as being some strange extra bit that is not really part of the address. I'm guessing that happens with some other email 'clients' that are in common usage these days. The users+ part is an important part of the address so it really needs to be the entire line users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Also it's fairly rare to find a signature that is actually helpful. Mostly we get so used to completely ignoring useless disclaimers and hopeful messages about having been scanned by some embarrassingly ancient antivirus them that we don't even bother to read even the good ones. In my email app, users+ is shown as part of the address. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Folks, In opening this thread ( Nabble http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750.html ) Tom is correct in a practical sense. Stability is an inherent component of a mature product. And testing during the development cycles by more potential user willing to invest a little time in QA is essential to the health of the project. But a key aspect Tom omits is that LibreOffice development and release stages are tightly timed--and by proxy so is its support. Nor does he mention that the project has stayed on schedule since inception--synchronizing to a six month minor release cycle implemented in a broader ecosystem of Free and Open Source Software. The Release Plan for LibreOffice publishes the release schedule, current status and a historical record of the project, worth a read: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan Keeping to the time based release plan means that the delay between initial release on a minor version and the next minor version release is just six months. And that the delay between the x.x.0 release and each bug fix release has been and will continue to be just one month. So, while I don't completely agree Toms' assessment of how far along each bug fix takes things--it is just not the way the user feedback, QA,and development work proceeds--but it is not unreasonable practical advise. Support has kept to the same cycle--for the most part--user documentation (static HTML or wiki based, and published) can always use more active contributors and lags a bit as a result. This is not just development churn, there is solid User eXperience, QA and development work at every tick of the release cycle. And as a minor release nears end of its development life it gets less and less development attenetion--QA and development resources long since shifted to new development and bug fixes. Enhancements and bug fixes become more and more costly to push backward with each tick in development cycle--so less likely to occur. In a sense that also is stability, or maybe stagnation. The project is on sound footings as a time based release, that is not going to change so no sense in debating it here. Rather, if you have specific questions or comments about its implementation or how best to make use of software from time based release manged project that would be a worthwhile discussion. Stuart a LibreOffice QA volunteer, focusing on accessibility issues. p.s. For use Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools the use of a Java 7, Java Runtime Environment and the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 was not ported backward to the 3.6.x branch. It was included in the 4.1.0 release, and has been patched for the upcoming 4.0.5 release. Users of 3.6.x must continue to use a Java 6 JRE (e.g. 1.6u45) and manual install of Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats
On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:56:51 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: It might be worth trying to rename your User Profile to see if that fixes it The first thing I did was to delete the User Profile and then reinstall. It did not fix the problem. I need to find reports of others having this problem. If none exist then it must be some fault of my system. Anyway, I only use a few label types out of the hundreds available. For these I can create some custom definitions that contain the correct parameters. I'll use this work around until I get more information. Thanks for your assistance. Frank Peters -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Hi :) Yes, i was trying to keep it simple and practical by avoiding side issues or detail. Even so my post turned out to be a lot longer than planned! For some projects stability = stagnation ie that the 3.0.0 could be considered stable because pretty much all the bugs are known issues and mostly written-up somewhere. That has never been considered good enough in LO. The earlier releases in a branch are not considered more stable after the branch reaches .3 or .4. It's only the .3 or .4 and onwards that are considered more stable. Time-based releases vs release when ready. Whichever methodology is used it's only after initial proper release that the thing gets used on the mad set-ups out in the real world that most problems surface and get fixed. With MS products many corporates wouldn't consider installing before Service Pack 1 got released, which means it's only after SP 1 that many problems come to light! So, i agree with Stuart and most of the rest of the project on this issue. I'm sure the arguments about which is best will continue for another 7 years in most projects (and possibly longer). We all get to play ginea pig but we would with proprietary software too. The difference is that if a problem we reported does get fixed we get the fix for free along with all the updates that we didn't help with. There is no paying for upgrades or being pushed into buying a different bundle by some salesman. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 16:58 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new Folks, In opening this thread ( Nabble http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750.html ) Tom is correct in a practical sense. Stability is an inherent component of a mature product. And testing during the development cycles by more potential user willing to invest a little time in QA is essential to the health of the project. But a key aspect Tom omits is that LibreOffice development and release stages are tightly timed--and by proxy so is its support. Nor does he mention that the project has stayed on schedule since inception--synchronizing to a six month minor release cycle implemented in a broader ecosystem of Free and Open Source Software. The Release Plan for LibreOffice publishes the release schedule, current status and a historical record of the project, worth a read: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan Keeping to the time based release plan means that the delay between initial release on a minor version and the next minor version release is just six months. And that the delay between the x.x.0 release and each bug fix release has been and will continue to be just one month. So, while I don't completely agree Toms' assessment of how far along each bug fix takes things--it is just not the way the user feedback, QA,and development work proceeds--but it is not unreasonable practical advise. Support has kept to the same cycle--for the most part--user documentation (static HTML or wiki based, and published) can always use more active contributors and lags a bit as a result. This is not just development churn, there is solid User eXperience, QA and development work at every tick of the release cycle. And as a minor release nears end of its development life it gets less and less development attention--QA and development resources long since shifted to new development and bug fixes. Enhancements and bug fixes become more and more costly to push backward with each tick in development cycle--so less likely to occur. In a sense that also is stability, or maybe stagnation. The project is on sound footings as a time based release, that is not going to change so no sense in debating it here. Rather, if you have specific questions or comments about its implementation or how best to make use of software from time based release managed project that would be a worthwhile discussion. Stuart a LibreOffice QA volunteer, focusing on accessibility issues. p.s. For use Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools the use of a Java 7, Java Runtime Environment and the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 was not ported backward to the 3.6.x branch. It was included in the 4.1.0 release, and has been patched for the upcoming 4.0.5 release. Users of 3.6.x must continue to use a Java 6 JRE (e.g. 1.6u45) and manual install of Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint
Hello Andrew and Tom, Thank you very much for your advice. (Unfortunately, it may not be applicable in this specific instance, since my wife cannot use any of the ODF programs you mentioned at work, and she does indeed need to share her files there. Also, she does not know whether her workplace's strict security requirements allow for her installing her own programs there or even using her own USB sticks.) I will definitely keep this information in mind for when it will do the most good. Thanks again! Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Hi Folks To follow on Tom's flash drive apps, I use a collection of apps that has a self installer and updater for flash drives, called PortableApps http://portableapps.com/. Depending on what you want out of the collection of apps, it will install automatically onto a flash drive for you, from anything the size of around 2GB up to 16GB (full apps is 9GB). And they cover LibreOffice, along with other suites. I carry my stick with me everywhere, as long as I have access to a PC, I cam do everything without leaving any trail or file behind on the PC I use. A 16GB stick gives enough space to carry personal or work related docs too. You can even surf the web with nothing left on the host PC. Hope this helps Regards Andrew Brown On 03/08/2013 09:49 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's often best to keep documents in ODF formats, in this case Odp, and just edit that version. Just use the MS formats when you need to share with other people or when you need to use them on a machine where you might not have access to LibreOffice, OpenOffice, Google-docs, NeoOffice, KOffice, Caligra, IBM Lotus Symphony, GNome Office, MS Office 2013 or any of the other office programs that can read/write ODF formats. Note that you could carry LibreOffice (and many other programs) around with you on a Usb-stick so that you can use them on any Windows machine without having to actually install them there http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/ there are other companies offering a similar service and a similar range of software. 1 is even faster at getting the newer versions of LibreOffice then the people listed on the official LibreOffice page. Regards from Tom :) From: Jeffrey Deutsch jdeutsch.aspl...@gmail.com To: t...@timdeaton.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 17:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint Thank you very much for your help Tim! Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Tim Deaton t...@timdeaton.org wrote: Yes, you would save to the .ppt format in BOTH programs. -- Tim === I know the plans I have for you: Plans to prosper you and not to harm you; Plans to give you hope and a future. --- God (Jeremiah 29:11) On 7/28/2013 9:50 AM, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote: Hello Dave, You said: It's not clear to me what you mean by 'how to start or use Notes'. That's really the long and the short of it. My wife does not know how to start or to use Notes, period. So I really appreciate your giving me the links to the Documentation page -- including the Getting Started and Impress guides -- and to Chapter 8 which includes information about Notes. Also thank you for seconding Clarence's advice about saving the LibO Impress file as .ppt. (Do you also recommend saving it within PowerPoint as .ppt?) Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: Hi Jeff, Sorry you got a less than welcoming response to your question on the Apache list, but let's see what we can do to help you. My suggestions are given in-line with your original message. Original Message From: Jeffrey Deutsch jdeutsch.aspl...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:49:03 -0400 Hello, My wife is willing to consider converting to LibreOffice 4 permanently. Here's her major issue, in two parts: (1) She does not know how to start or use Notes in LibO Impress (the presentation part). It's not clear to me what you mean by how to start or use Notes. You will find it
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats
Hi :) Thanks :) Ok, i guess it's time for a bug-report Good luck with that and happy hunting Regards from Tom :) From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 19:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats On Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:34:24 PM Frank Peters wrote: On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:56:51 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: It might be worth trying to rename your User Profile to see if that fixes it The first thing I did was to delete the User Profile and then reinstall. It did not fix the problem. I need to find reports of others having this problem. If none exist then it must be some fault of my system. Anyway, I only use a few label types out of the hundreds available. For these I can create some custom definitions that contain the correct parameters. I'll use this work around until I get more information. Thanks for your assistance. Frank Peters -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted I'm using the openSUSE version of LO. Version: 4.1.0.4 Build ID: 410m0(Build:4) I can confirm there are no label formats on even label shown in writer. I selected new--label, then brand Avery Letter size type 5163. upscope -- openSUSE 12.3(Linux 3.9.8-1.gf3348a8-desktop)|KDE 4.10.5 release 4|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS(NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-319.32) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint
Hi :) Any idea which version of MS Office they have at her work-place? If 2013 then stick to Odp. If an earlier version then it might be worth saving in Ppt format for work but then using the Odp outside of there. Using the Usb-stick method means she doesn't actually install anything at work. It's just being used as a data-storage device but with an added extra. Regards from Tom :) From: Jeffrey Deutsch jdeutsch.aspl...@gmail.com To: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; t...@timdeaton.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 19:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint Hello Andrew and Tom, Thank you very much for your advice. (Unfortunately, it may not be applicable in this specific instance, since my wife cannot use any of the ODF programs you mentioned at work, and she does indeed need to share her files there. Also, she does not know whether her workplace's strict security requirements allow for her installing her own programs there or even using her own USB sticks.) I will definitely keep this information in mind for when it will do the most good. Thanks again! Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Hi Folks To follow on Tom's flash drive apps, I use a collection of apps that has a self installer and updater for flash drives, called PortableApps http://portableapps.com/. Depending on what you want out of the collection of apps, it will install automatically onto a flash drive for you, from anything the size of around 2GB up to 16GB (full apps is 9GB). And they cover LibreOffice, along with other suites. I carry my stick with me everywhere, as long as I have access to a PC, I cam do everything without leaving any trail or file behind on the PC I use. A 16GB stick gives enough space to carry personal or work related docs too. You can even surf the web with nothing left on the host PC. Hope this helps Regards Andrew Brown On 03/08/2013 09:49 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's often best to keep documents in ODF formats, in this case Odp, and just edit that version. Just use the MS formats when you need to share with other people or when you need to use them on a machine where you might not have access to LibreOffice, OpenOffice, Google-docs, NeoOffice, KOffice, Caligra, IBM Lotus Symphony, GNome Office, MS Office 2013 or any of the other office programs that can read/write ODF formats. Note that you could carry LibreOffice (and many other programs) around with you on a Usb-stick so that you can use them on any Windows machine without having to actually install them there http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/ there are other companies offering a similar service and a similar range of software. 1 is even faster at getting the newer versions of LibreOffice then the people listed on the official LibreOffice page. Regards from Tom :) From: Jeffrey Deutsch jdeutsch.aspl...@gmail.com To: t...@timdeaton.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 17:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint Thank you very much for your help Tim! Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Tim Deaton t...@timdeaton.org wrote: Yes, you would save to the .ppt format in BOTH programs. -- Tim === I know the plans I have for you: Plans to prosper you and not to harm you; Plans to give you hope and a future. --- God (Jeremiah 29:11) On 7/28/2013 9:50 AM, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote: Hello Dave, You said: It's not clear to me what you mean by 'how to start or use Notes'. That's really the long and the short of it. My wife does not know how to start or to use Notes, period. So I really appreciate your giving me the links to the Documentation page -- including the Getting Started and Impress guides -- and to Chapter 8 which includes information about Notes. Also thank you for seconding Clarence's advice about saving the LibO Impress file as .ppt. (Do you also recommend saving it within PowerPoint as .ppt?) Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Sun, Jul
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) This kinda reminds me of the story about 2 bulls on top of a hill both looking down at a herd of cows. The younger one says Lets race down the hill and dance with one of those ladies. The older one replies Lets walk down and dance with them all. If we follow MS's lead in keeping up with their latest formats then we might get short-term gains but we really stuff ourselves up in the longer term. Plus we end up trailing a long way behind MS. We need to work towards getting ahead of them in more and more ways. At the moment we already beat them in quite a few ways but we need more in order for more people to take notice. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: la10...@iperbole.bologna.it la10...@iperbole.bologna.it; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 11:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 If we have to beat Microsoft then we need to focus only on what Microsoft provides and not on .odt format, etc. We cannot beat Microsoft by introducing a new format and expecting customers to use new formats (I use Microsoft formats only and whatever other formats is suported by Microsoft). We need to beat Microsoft at its own game by doing what they are doing in office suite. A new format is not going to change the game but being totally compatible and stable with the formats that Micorosoft supports (xls, xlsx, doc, docx, save as pdf, text, etc.) is going to change the game. Amit On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, Juniper networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and Microsoft for one reason or other. This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc. We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite. The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can be done by increasing the QA cycle period. I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management. And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even if I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc. This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end, the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill the product. THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND HENCE THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM. I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something every month then it becomes a headache to me. RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD. THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS ARE NOT SOLVED PROPERLY AND QUICKFIXES MAKE MANAGING THE SOFTWARE COMPLICATED AND IN THE END THE DEVELOPERS GIVE UP AND THE PRODUCT IS SHELVED. AND ALL THIS HAPPENS WITH PAID SOFTWARE TOO. Amit On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The 3.6.7 might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that. Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not flashy enough! Regards from Tom :) From: la10...@iperbole.bologna.it la10...@iperbole.bologna.it To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Unfortunately, the 3rd digit rule doesn't work as goog as expected... I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and report builder no more works (crash in opening). thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at the end Federico Quadri Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk ha scritto: Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems that might not get caught by QA. The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then on 1 machine find some way of
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the topbottom. It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; us...@openoffice.apache.org ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] side-bar
Hi :) Oops, did a bit of thread hijacking there along with other crimes! Thought i would quickly get it onto a new thread. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; us...@openoffice.apache.org us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 20:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the topbottom. It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; us...@openoffice.apache.org ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] usable area in writer window
Hi, using the print layout only part of the screen area limited by the scales is used for the printable (white) area for text input. In my case with magnification set to 100% there is horizontally a 269 mm shaded stripe on the right, the available writable area has 261 mm width and on the left a 5 mm shaded stripe. Why is the usable area limited that much? (reserved space for possible comments?) KDE gnu/Linux LO 4.0 best regards Walther -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Tom, To me: stability = productivity But I am just a lowly user. Nice description! I saved it for future reference. Now I know why I keep getting 3.x update notices when 4.x has been released some time ago. That surprised, but pleased, me. As a result of your description, I will have to repackage and install 3.6.7 after my monthly backup today. Girvin Herr On 08/04/2013 10:35 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, i was trying to keep it simple and practical by avoiding side issues or detail. Even so my post turned out to be a lot longer than planned! For some projects stability = stagnation ie that the 3.0.0 could be considered stable because pretty much all the bugs are known issues and mostly written-up somewhere. That has never been considered good enough in LO. The earlier releases in a branch are not considered more stable after the branch reaches .3 or .4. It's only the .3 or .4 and onwards that are considered more stable. Time-based releases vs release when ready. Whichever methodology is used it's only after initial proper release that the thing gets used on the mad set-ups out in the real world that most problems surface and get fixed. With MS products many corporates wouldn't consider installing before Service Pack 1 got released, which means it's only after SP 1 that many problems come to light! So, i agree with Stuart and most of the rest of the project on this issue. I'm sure the arguments about which is best will continue for another 7 years in most projects (and possibly longer). We all get to play ginea pig but we would with proprietary software too. The difference is that if a problem we reported does get fixed we get the fix for free along with all the updates that we didn't help with. There is no paying for upgrades or being pushed into buying a different bundle by some salesman. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 16:58 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new Folks, In opening this thread ( Nabble http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750.html ) Tom is correct in a practical sense. Stability is an inherent component of a mature product. And testing during the development cycles by more potential user willing to invest a little time in QA is essential to the health of the project. But a key aspect Tom omits is that LibreOffice development and release stages are tightly timed--and by proxy so is its support. Nor does he mention that the project has stayed on schedule since inception--synchronizing to a six month minor release cycle implemented in a broader ecosystem of Free and Open Source Software. The Release Plan for LibreOffice publishes the release schedule, current status and a historical record of the project, worth a read: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan Keeping to the time based release plan means that the delay between initial release on a minor version and the next minor version release is just six months. And that the delay between the x.x.0 release and each bug fix release has been and will continue to be just one month. So, while I don't completely agree Toms' assessment of how far along each bug fix takes things--it is just not the way the user feedback, QA,and development work proceeds--but it is not unreasonable practical advise. Support has kept to the same cycle--for the most part--user documentation (static HTML or wiki based, and published) can always use more active contributors and lags a bit as a result. This is not just development churn, there is solid User eXperience, QA and development work at every tick of the release cycle. And as a minor release nears end of its development life it gets less and less development attention--QA and development resources long since shifted to new development and bug fixes. Enhancements and bug fixes become more and more costly to push backward with each tick in development cycle--so less likely to occur. In a sense that also is stability, or maybe stagnation. The project is on sound footings as a time based release, that is not going to change so no sense in debating it here. Rather, if you have specific questions or comments about its implementation or how best to make use of software from time based release managed project that would be a worthwhile discussion. Stuart a LibreOffice QA volunteer, focusing on accessibility issues. p.s. For use Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools the use of a Java 7, Java Runtime Environment and the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 was not ported backward to the 3.6.x branch. It was included in the 4.1.0 release, and has been patched for the upcoming 4.0.5 release. Users of 3.6.x must continue to use a Java 6 JRE (e.g. 1.6u45) and manual install of Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. -- To unsubscribe
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
When you get a new hammer, do you make the new hammer look like the old hammer? No! LibreOffice does not need to be micro$oft office, a bloated application that tries to be all things to all people and does none of them well. LO is a good office suite in its own right. People need to stop being lazy and learn something new for a change. Girvin Herr P.S. - Nice metaphor! On 08/04/2013 12:19 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This kinda reminds me of the story about 2 bulls on top of a hill both looking down at a herd of cows. The younger one says Lets race down the hill and dance with one of those ladies. The older one replies Lets walk down and dance with them all. If we follow MS's lead in keeping up with their latest formats then we might get short-term gains but we really stuff ourselves up in the longer term. Plus we end up trailing a long way behind MS. We need to work towards getting ahead of them in more and more ways. At the moment we already beat them in quite a few ways but we need more in order for more people to take notice. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: la10...@iperbole.bologna.it la10...@iperbole.bologna.it; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 11:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 If we have to beat Microsoft then we need to focus only on what Microsoft provides and not on .odt format, etc. We cannot beat Microsoft by introducing a new format and expecting customers to use new formats (I use Microsoft formats only and whatever other formats is suported by Microsoft). We need to beat Microsoft at its own game by doing what they are doing in office suite. A new format is not going to change the game but being totally compatible and stable with the formats that Micorosoft supports (xls, xlsx, doc, docx, save as pdf, text, etc.) is going to change the game. Amit On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, Juniper networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and Microsoft for one reason or other. This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc. We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite. The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can be done by increasing the QA cycle period. I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management. And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even if I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc. This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end, the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill the product. THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND HENCE THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM. I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something every month then it becomes a headache to me. RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD. THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS ARE NOT SOLVED PROPERLY AND QUICKFIXES MAKE MANAGING THE SOFTWARE COMPLICATED AND IN THE END THE DEVELOPERS GIVE UP AND THE PRODUCT IS SHELVED. AND ALL THIS HAPPENS WITH PAID SOFTWARE TOO. Amit On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The 3.6.7 might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that. Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not flashy enough! Regards from Tom :) From: la10...@iperbole.bologna.it la10...@iperbole.bologna.it To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Unfortunately, the 3rd digit rule doesn't work as goog as expected... I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and report builder no more works (crash in opening). thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at the end Federico Quadri Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk ha scritto: Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of
RE: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Hi all! Thank you very much for the information ! Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El dom, 04-08-2013 a las 15:58 +, V Stuart Foote escribió: Folks, In opening this thread ( Nabble http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750.html ) Tom is correct in a practical sense. Stability is an inherent component of a mature product. And testing during the development cycles by more potential user willing to invest a little time in QA is essential to the health of the project. But a key aspect Tom omits is that LibreOffice development and release stages are tightly timed--and by proxy so is its support. Nor does he mention that the project has stayed on schedule since inception--synchronizing to a six month minor release cycle implemented in a broader ecosystem of Free and Open Source Software. The Release Plan for LibreOffice publishes the release schedule, current status and a historical record of the project, worth a read: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan Keeping to the time based release plan means that the delay between initial release on a minor version and the next minor version release is just six months. And that the delay between the x.x.0 release and each bug fix release has been and will continue to be just one month. So, while I don't completely agree Toms' assessment of how far along each bug fix takes things--it is just not the way the user feedback, QA,and development work proceeds--but it is not unreasonable practical advise. Support has kept to the same cycle--for the most part--user documentation (static HTML or wiki based, and published) can always use more active contributors and lags a bit as a result. This is not just development churn, there is solid User eXperience, QA and development work at every tick of the release cycle. And as a minor release nears end of its development life it gets less and less development attenetion--QA and development resources long since shifted to new development and bug fixes. Enhancements and bug fixes become more and more costly to push backward with each tick in development cycle--so less likely to occur. In a sense that also is stability, or maybe stagnation. The project is on sound footings as a time based release, that is not going to change so no sense in debating it here. Rather, if you have specific questions or comments about its implementation or how best to make use of software from time based release manged project that would be a worthwhile discussion. Stuart a LibreOffice QA volunteer, focusing on accessibility issues. p.s. For use Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools the use of a Java 7, Java Runtime Environment and the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 was not ported backward to the 3.6.x branch. It was included in the 4.1.0 release, and has been patched for the upcoming 4.0.5 release. Users of 3.6.x must continue to use a Java 6 JRE (e.g. 1.6u45) and manual install of Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: stable vs new
Girvin, Girvin R. Herr wrote Now I know why I keep getting 3.x update notices when 4.x has been released some time ago. That surprised, but pleased, me. As a result of your description, I will have to repackage and install 3.6.7 after my monthly backup today. Absolutely, there is nothing wrong with continuing to use the earlier releases. Just be aware that the 3.6.x minor release will be designated EOL development status the 15th of this month. Meaning, it is a final release (for the minor and 3.6 major branch) No further patches will be accepted for the release and no project effort to fix compatibility or security issues. Support will continue in the mail list forum and the Ask site as well as Bugzilla issue tracking---but quality of that support will slack off as fewer users maintain a 3.6.x branch install. LibOReleaseLifecycle.png https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/2/2c/LibOReleaseLifecycle.png This graphic from the release plan presents a concise view of the project. With work on the master branch extending into the future, each minor release branch is categorized as release canidate, for Early adopters, for Recommended use, for Conservative use. With its EOL eminent, using 3.6.7 you would be well in the Conservative category--meaning simply that it is not the Project recommended category, which has shifted to the 4.0 major release--a 4.0.4 build. Please note, that when released at the end of the month--the 4.0.5 build will also transition to a conservative category. But as you say, what ever works best for your productivity, we just want you and others to understand the project infrastructure and how best they can contribute. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750p4068822.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Yes, thank you for the information. I now get it, and it does make sense. Now, if we can just get a new branch of LO (x.y.0) to stop overwriting an older branch (x.x.7) by default, I would a most happy man. Virgil -Original Message- From: jorge Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:41 PM To: V Stuart Foote Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new Hi all! Thank you very much for the information ! Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El dom, 04-08-2013 a las 15:58 +, V Stuart Foote escribió: Folks, In opening this thread ( Nabble http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750.html ) Tom is correct in a practical sense. Stability is an inherent component of a mature product. And testing during the development cycles by more potential user willing to invest a little time in QA is essential to the health of the project. But a key aspect Tom omits is that LibreOffice development and release stages are tightly timed--and by proxy so is its support. Nor does he mention that the project has stayed on schedule since inception--synchronizing to a six month minor release cycle implemented in a broader ecosystem of Free and Open Source Software. The Release Plan for LibreOffice publishes the release schedule, current status and a historical record of the project, worth a read: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan Keeping to the time based release plan means that the delay between initial release on a minor version and the next minor version release is just six months. And that the delay between the x.x.0 release and each bug fix release has been and will continue to be just one month. So, while I don't completely agree Toms' assessment of how far along each bug fix takes things--it is just not the way the user feedback, QA,and development work proceeds--but it is not unreasonable practical advise. Support has kept to the same cycle--for the most part--user documentation (static HTML or wiki based, and published) can always use more active contributors and lags a bit as a result. This is not just development churn, there is solid User eXperience, QA and development work at every tick of the release cycle. And as a minor release nears end of its development life it gets less and less development attenetion--QA and development resources long since shifted to new development and bug fixes. Enhancements and bug fixes become more and more costly to push backward with each tick in development cycle--so less likely to occur. In a sense that also is stability, or maybe stagnation. The project is on sound footings as a time based release, that is not going to change so no sense in debating it here. Rather, if you have specific questions or comments about its implementation or how best to make use of software from time based release manged project that would be a worthwhile discussion. Stuart a LibreOffice QA volunteer, focusing on accessibility issues. p.s. For use Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools the use of a Java 7, Java Runtime Environment and the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 was not ported backward to the 3.6.x branch. It was included in the 4.1.0 release, and has been patched for the upcoming 4.0.5 release. Users of 3.6.x must continue to use a Java 6 JRE (e.g. 1.6u45) and manual install of Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] start up speed
Hi All, I saw a question on the Fedora Forum regarding the boot speed of LO which is impressive especially compared to old versions of OOo. I think this has been discussed here in the past but I can't find any specific posts. Is there anything running in the background which makes LO start up faster? Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed
Hi :) You could have either of them use their Quickstarter but it's a pain and kinda blocks having the other one on your machine at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013, 0:15 Subject: [libreoffice-users] start up speed Hi All, I saw a question on the Fedora Forum regarding the boot speed of LO which is impressive especially compared to old versions of OOo. I think this has been discussed here in the past but I can't find any specific posts. Is there anything running in the background which makes LO start up faster? Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint
Hello Tom, Her workplace uses Office 2010. So the save-to-.ppt advice would seem to be best. I mentioned security regulations. By definition, they're not based on good people's good intentions, but on stopping bad people from carrying out their bad intentions. That's why many places (at least here in the U.S.) don't allow people to bring in their own flash drives and the like...even if someone who wants to bring in a flash drive may mean well, the drive may be virus infected. (Not to mention that's how Stuxnet may have been able to attack the Iranian nuclear centrifuges.) Cheers, Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Any idea which version of MS Office they have at her work-place? If 2013 then stick to Odp. If an earlier version then it might be worth saving in Ppt format for work but then using the Odp outside of there. Using the Usb-stick method means she doesn't actually install anything at work. It's just being used as a data-storage device but with an added extra. Regards from Tom :) From: Jeffrey Deutsch jdeutsch.aspl...@gmail.com To: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; t...@timdeaton.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 19:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint Hello Andrew and Tom, Thank you very much for your advice. (Unfortunately, it may not be applicable in this specific instance, since my wife cannot use any of the ODF programs you mentioned at work, and she does indeed need to share her files there. Also, she does not know whether her workplace's strict security requirements allow for her installing her own programs there or even using her own USB sticks.) I will definitely keep this information in mind for when it will do the most good. Thanks again! Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Hi Folks To follow on Tom's flash drive apps, I use a collection of apps that has a self installer and updater for flash drives, called PortableApps http://portableapps.com/. Depending on what you want out of the collection of apps, it will install automatically onto a flash drive for you, from anything the size of around 2GB up to 16GB (full apps is 9GB). And they cover LibreOffice, along with other suites. I carry my stick with me everywhere, as long as I have access to a PC, I cam do everything without leaving any trail or file behind on the PC I use. A 16GB stick gives enough space to carry personal or work related docs too. You can even surf the web with nothing left on the host PC. Hope this helps Regards Andrew Brown On 03/08/2013 09:49 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's often best to keep documents in ODF formats, in this case Odp, and just edit that version. Just use the MS formats when you need to share with other people or when you need to use them on a machine where you might not have access to LibreOffice, OpenOffice, Google-docs, NeoOffice, KOffice, Caligra, IBM Lotus Symphony, GNome Office, MS Office 2013 or any of the other office programs that can read/write ODF formats. Note that you could carry LibreOffice (and many other programs) around with you on a Usb-stick so that you can use them on any Windows machine without having to actually install them there http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/ there are other companies offering a similar service and a similar range of software. 1 is even faster at getting the newer versions of LibreOffice then the people listed on the official LibreOffice page. Regards from Tom :) From: Jeffrey Deutsch jdeutsch.aspl...@gmail.com To: t...@timdeaton.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 17:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint Thank you very much for your help Tim! Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Tim Deaton t...@timdeaton.org wrote: Yes, you would save to the .ppt format in BOTH programs. -- Tim === I know the plans I have for you: Plans to prosper you and not to harm you; Plans to give
[libreoffice-users] Re: stable vs new
Hi Virgil Virgil Arrington wrote Now, if we can just get a new branch of LO (x.y.0) to stop overwriting an older branch (x.x.7) by default, I would a most happy man. Actually that is only true under Windows. Under Linux and Mac the default is parallel install. In any case if you prefer to play it safe don't install any new versions under Windows. Just keep your x.x.7 build installed and use a portable version from winPenPack for testing. They are usually available a day or two after the official release by TDF at http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/ and you can run as many as you like simultaneously. Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750p4068832.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Matching Up Text Fields
At 09:07 03/08/2013 +0200, Errol Goetsch wrote: On 2013/08/03 02:12 AM, Brian Barker wrote: No - as you'll know, I wrote none of that. Please take care when replying not to misattribute contributions. I'm sorry for offending you Brian. Oh, not at all: absolutely no offence taken. It just seemed sensible to set the archive record straight - including giving you credit for your contribution. I looked at the many contributions you have made on this list (and others) over the years. I'd like to take this chance to publicly honour you for caring for and committing to a community made up mostly of strangers far away. Thank you for your ongoing sacrifice. Too much, too much. But how kind! Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
