[libreoffice-users] Cooperation in the implementation of LibreOffice
Hello, my name is Alexander , at the moment I am a programmer in OGAOU SPO Belgorod College of industry and services , country: Russia , city of Belgorod. I want to introduce into commercial operation institution package LibreOffice as an alternative package of MS Office, in order to move to the format ODF, which in our country is a national fixed state standard ( ISO / IEC 26300-2010 . Came into force on June 1, 2011 ) . However , implementation of this project gives me concerns about the advisability of this step for the following reasons : I know in many business organizations and educational institutions was an attempt to introduce LibreOffice and OpenOffice, but they all failed. Even where people were friendly to the use of these products later returned to the MS Office package due to the low quality software LibreOffice and OpenOffice ( because of the continuing occurrence of bugs and endless expectations of new releases in which errors have not been corrected ), the appearance artifacts for viewing and printing of documents created in MS Office and other non- ODF (Open Document Format). In general, the situation is that there is a standard but actually exists only on paper , in addition to MS Office 2013 support is implemented ODF, which makes it even more attractive to use. In my opinion , free software does not justify its poor quality. Many IT professionals and PC users have an opinion about LibreOffice and OpenOffice as a shitty software, which can not be used in the workplace. In contrast to system administrators trying to implement packages LibreOffice or OpenOffice, I am a professional programmer and familiar with the process of software development. In my opinion the industrial application package LibreOffice is possible, but subject to personal contact with the immediate developers package their interest in creating a quality product and responsiveness to the comments , suggestions for improvement and immediate response on the error of the package , as well as providing operational fixes without having to wait for the official release. I believe that developers care about their product and frankly, I know that in the case to contact technical support patches can wait for years , and a direct appeal to the developer can take it to cure is not more than 15 minutes . My idea is to introduce a distinctive package LibreOffice is in close interaction directly with the developers and their interest in this cooperation . As a result of successful implementation , the package will have the right to life and begin to be implemented in other educational institutions of Russia ( as exists between educational institutions experience exchange program , usually a methodological associations ) , as well information about the successful implementation of the same will go to the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation and respectively wave on other ministries. This collaboration will raise the quality of software , as it will be used in the work (in the battle conditions and not on the bench) . Waiting for your reply on this proposal and look forward to working ... Alexander. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Trying to get possible bug info
Have a spreadsheet which roughly every 5th time I save it takes several minutes and 100% cpu usage. Running from a terminal doesn't provide any info. There doesn't appear a way to run debug or logging. So, how do I get more info to provide a bug report? Debian Sid amd64 linux 3.11.2 Debian packaged Version: 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) Thanks -- *rob* -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Cooperation in the implementation of LibreOffice
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 03:32:47PM +0400, None None wrote: Normally I don't reply to such blatant FUD but I have a lot of free time today and I'm bored. Hello, my name is Alexander , at the moment I am a programmer in OGAOU SPO Belgorod College of industry and services , country: Russia , city of Belgorod. I want to introduce into commercial operation institution package LibreOffice as an alternative package of MS Office, in order to move to the format ODF, which in our country is a national fixed state standard ( ISO / IEC 26300-2010 . Came into force on June 1, 2011 ) . However , implementation of this project gives me concerns about the advisability of this step for the following reasons : What does your country's implementation of ODF have to do with open source software? I know in many business organizations and educational institutions was an attempt to introduce LibreOffice and OpenOffice, but they all failed. Even where people were friendly to the use of these products later returned to the MS Office package due to the low quality software LibreOffice and OpenOffice ( because of the continuing occurrence of bugs and endless expectations of new releases in which errors have not been corrected ), the appearance artifacts for viewing and printing of documents created in MS Office and other non- ODF (Open Document Format). In general, the situation is that there is a standard but actually exists only on paper , in addition to MS Office 2013 support is implemented ODF, which makes it even more attractive to use. The above is a symptom of lazy or incompetent IT departments that don't or can't learn to use the software. In my opinion , free software does not justify its poor quality. Many IT professionals and PC users have an opinion about LibreOffice and OpenOffice as a shitty software, which can not be used in the workplace. You're right, that's *your* opinion. How do you account for the fact that open source software is in worldwide use every day in production environments. Just few of the many cites: http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/open-source-what-you-should-learn-french-461 http://opensource.com/government/12/11/france-latest-fully-embrace-open-source http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-272299.html In contrast to system administrators trying to implement packages LibreOffice or OpenOffice, I am a professional programmer and familiar with the process of software development. In my opinion the industrial application package LibreOffice is possible, but subject to personal contact with the immediate developers package their interest in creating a quality product and responsiveness to the comments , suggestions for improvement and immediate response on the error of the package , as well as providing operational fixes without having to wait for the official release. I believe that developers care about their product and frankly, I know that in the case to contact technical support patches can wait for years That's a feature of some closed source software, notably Microsoft. You can email them with your concerns until you're blue in the face and they will produce an update months later if then. Open source developers will cure problems usually in a few days. and a direct appeal to the developer can take it to cure is not more than 15 minutes . You must think that developers have nothing to do but wait for you to contact them. They're not on your payroll. 15 minutes is laughable except for isolated instances, not in general. Also, as a programmer, as you claim to be, you should know a 15 minute fix to a problem can introduce more bugs than it cures. My idea is to introduce a distinctive package LibreOffice is in close interaction directly with the developers and their interest in this cooperation . What in the hell does the above sentence mean? As a result of successful implementation , the package will have the right to life What does the right to life mean? and begin to be implemented in other educational institutions of Russia ( as exists between educational institutions experience exchange program , usually a methodological associations ) , as well information about the successful implementation of the same will go to the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation and respectively wave on other ministries. This collaboration will raise the quality of software , as it will be used in the work (in the battle conditions and not on the bench) . Waiting for your reply on this proposal and look forward to working ... Don't hold your breath waiting. What tells me you're a troll is the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. If you actually are a programmer you would know better. Also you're using a broken mailer that puts long passages on one line and makes inline replies very difficult. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] specialized configuration for LO
Hi :)
i am forwarding the code to the Users List because there are often
people there who understand these things. It might be even better to
send it on to the devs list but i am not on that one. However given
the day it might be a while before you get responses from anyone. Btw
happy christmas! :)
I like the idea of a --telepathy tag! :) If only that could be used
in more questions!
Regards from
Tom :)
On 25 December 2013 15:27, Eric e...@esjworks.com wrote:
On 12/25/2013 6:44 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Dragon's Naturally Speaking is for PC but has been ported to Mac
too. Are you using Dragon on Windows? I'm not sure if it makes a
difference but it might help to know if that is X.P., Vista, Win 7 or
Win 8 or Win 8.1
Regards from
Tom :)
sorry, forgot the --telepathy switch. Fwiw the Mac it's called
DragonDictate which is the same name they used the old discrete utterance
recognition package for DOS back in the 1990s. Nuance is a silly company
(the kindest thing you'll ever hear me say about them)
Windows 7 and I'm using vocola + a Python extension. I tried the following
bit of code and I was able to bring up a single invocation but on the second
call, I get an error message indicating that NaturallySpeaking can't shift
window focus to LO. I'm looking into it further but it's possible that it's
a bug in NaturallySpeaking.
def task_stamp_history():
task_history_path = C:/Users/esj/Documents/companies/esjworks/logbook
# does the path exist?
if not os.path.exists (task_history_path):
# build the entire path
os.makedirs(task_history_path)
task_stamp = task-history-%m-%Y.txt
localtime = time.localtime(time.time())
task_fn = time.strftime( task_stamp, localtime)
note_path = os.path.normpath(os.path.join(task_history_path, task_fn))
if not os.path.isfile(note_path):
fh = open(note_path, 'w')
fh.close()
draname = worklog
drarg = C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 4\program\swriter.exe
%s%note_path
# drarg = C:\Program Files (x86)\Win32Pad\win32pad.exe %s%note_path
# print %s %s % (drarg, task_fn)
call_Dragon('AppBringUp', 'ssis', [draname, drarg, 1,
C:/Users/esj/Documents ])
call_Dragon('WaitForWindow', 'ssi', ['*'+task_fn+'*'])
call_Dragon('SendKeys', 'ss', ['{ctrl+end}'])
return
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Trying to get possible bug info
Hi, Does your spreadsheet have a large number of calculations and referrals that periodically take a long time to run? Also, can you post the spreadsheet to Nabble? Please do not post anything proprietary or private. On 12/25/2013 01:43 PM, Robin wrote: Have a spreadsheet which roughly every 5th time I save it takes several minutes and 100% cpu usage. Running from a terminal doesn't provide any info. There doesn't appear a way to run debug or logging. So, how do I get more info to provide a bug report? Debian Sid amd64 linux 3.11.2 Debian packaged Version: 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) Thanks -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Pasting Foreign Language
Dear LibreOffice Team, I would like to receive a liberating solution from the team related to non-English languages. As I pasted an external source written in French into Libre Office I get an unusual result: Tu Útais en ╔den, le jardin de Dieu; Tu Útais couvert de toute espÞce de pierres prÚcieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'Úmeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes fl¹tes Útaient Ó ton service, PrÚparÚs pour le jour o¨ tu fus crÚÚ. Original Text: Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce de pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés pour le jour où tu fus créé. As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with capitalized letters or some other symbol. Please help! Thank you for your prompt understanding and response to the matter at hand. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] presenter console - jumpy slide transition
Hello everybody... I recently upgraded my old Debian laptop from lenny with OO (3.2.1) to wheezy with LO (3.5.4). I have used the presenter console with OO-Impress in a two-screen setup before and it worked like a charm. In LO however the presenter console shows some weird behaviour on animated slide transitions: While loading the next slide preview the transition pauses for about half a second - which looks really crappy on animated transitions (especially because I use it for backdrops on stage). A workaround is to switch to the slides dialog: as soon as the preview area is not drawn (because it's hidden behind the slide overview) animations run smoothly again. This however is cumbersome, because in the overview focus does not follow the current slide, so using the presenter console becomes somewhat pointless... (normal presentations - without the presenter console extension - work flawless too). My questions: * Can anyone confirm this behaviour? * Is there a way to fix it? I already tried to increase LO's buffer-settings and moved the document into a ramdisk to eliminate disk-related delays. * Or at least: is there a way to configure the presenter console extension so that it loads the preview *after* the slide transition has completed? regards, Stephan -- cumail: invisi...@xover.mud.at Stephan www: http://invisible.priv.at The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Cooperation in the implementation of LibreOffice
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 10:53:28PM +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I don't think it's good policy to be rude to trolls. One of the things they are aiming for is to make the list seem unfriendly and then be able to quote those examples out-of-context. As I said at the top of my reply, I seldom reply to FUD but I had time on my hands and was bored. Beside, sometimes I just like to declare open season on trolls. ..snip. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Pasting Foreign Language
On 12/25/2013 06:37 PM, Jerry Rémy wrote: Dear LibreOffice Team, I would like to receive a liberating solution from the team related to non-English languages. As I pasted an external source written in French into Libre Office I get an unusual result: Tu Útais en ╔den, le jardin de Dieu; Tu Útais couvert de toute espÞce de pierres prÚcieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'Úmeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes fl¹tes Útaient Ó ton service, PrÚparÚs pour le jour o¨ tu fus crÚÚ. Original Text: Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce de pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés pour le jour où tu fus créé. As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with capitalized letters or some other symbol. Please help! Thank you for your prompt understanding and response to the matter at hand. I just took the original text that you posted above and pasted it into LibreOffice. It came up the first time in typewriter font, with all the accents. Then I highlighted that and set the font to Times New Roman, and it came up in TNR, with all the accents. I suspect that you are not using a font that has the accented characters in it. Try changing the font. Or see if you can download the Microsoft TrueType fonts-- I'm pretty sure they have all the common accents available. This was copied back from LO, when it used the typewriter font. Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce de pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés pour le jour où tu fus créé. And this was copied back after I turned it into Times New Roman: Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce de pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés pour le jour où tu fus créé. I don't know if the example will survive email, but it is in Times New Roman here, in my Thunderbird email ready to send. --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] spell checker
Hello I have Windows 8 and Libre office 4.1. I am needing the spellchecker to work. It does on some things and not on others. Can you help please, because otherwise its excellent. Thanks -- Amanda Sloan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Pasting Foreign Language
Hi :) It worked fine on mine but then i am using Ubuntu. Are you on Windows? Have you tried other fonts such as Liberation Sans? Which font are you using? Regards from Tom :) On 25 December 2013 23:37, Jerry Rémy calledbyfa...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear LibreOffice Team, I would like to receive a liberating solution from the team related to non-English languages. As I pasted an external source written in French into Libre Office I get an unusual result: Tu Útais en ╔den, le jardin de Dieu; Tu Útais couvert de toute espÞce de pierres prÚcieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'Úmeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes fl¹tes Útaient Ó ton service, PrÚparÚs pour le jour o¨ tu fus crÚÚ. Original Text: Tu étais en Éden, le jardin de Dieu; Tu étais couvert de toute espèce de pierres précieuses, De sardoine, de topaze, de diamant, De chrysolithe, d'onyx, de jaspe, De saphir, d'escarboucle, d'émeraude, et d'or; Tes tambourins et tes flûtes étaient à ton service, Préparés pour le jour où tu fus créé. As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with capitalized letters or some other symbol. Please help! Thank you for your prompt understanding and response to the matter at hand. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Cooperation in the implementation of LibreOffice
Hi :) I don't think it's good policy to be rude to trolls. One of the things they are aiming for is to make the list seem unfriendly and then be able to quote those examples out-of-context. I agree with most of the points but just feel they could have been explained less antagonistically. On the other hand it was good fun to read and made me chortle a bit! :) Wrt formats i wasn't sure whether; 1. we were getting the blame for not being able to correctly read proprietary implementations of formats where the specs are unavailable or 2. we were getting the blame for MS failing to implement ISO standards correctly where the specs are easily available In either case it seems the fault of MS, rather than us, so maybe do try posting a bug-report where-ever you are getting 15min responses from! If MS could implement their own spec correctly (or the one we use, or both) then it really might make interoperability a reality. Then almost no-one would ever need to buy any new versions of MS Office because even really old versions did everything almost all of us need and tons more too. Regards from Tom :) On 25 December 2013 19:45, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 03:32:47PM +0400, None None wrote: Normally I don't reply to such blatant FUD but I have a lot of free time today and I'm bored. Hello, my name is Alexander , at the moment I am a programmer in OGAOU SPO Belgorod College of industry and services , country: Russia , city of Belgorod. I want to introduce into commercial operation institution package LibreOffice as an alternative package of MS Office, in order to move to the format ODF, which in our country is a national fixed state standard ( ISO / IEC 26300-2010 . Came into force on June 1, 2011 ) . However , implementation of this project gives me concerns about the advisability of this step for the following reasons : What does your country's implementation of ODF have to do with open source software? I know in many business organizations and educational institutions was an attempt to introduce LibreOffice and OpenOffice, but they all failed. Even where people were friendly to the use of these products later returned to the MS Office package due to the low quality software LibreOffice and OpenOffice ( because of the continuing occurrence of bugs and endless expectations of new releases in which errors have not been corrected ), the appearance artifacts for viewing and printing of documents created in MS Office and other non- ODF (Open Document Format). In general, the situation is that there is a standard but actually exists only on paper , in addition to MS Office 2013 support is implemented ODF, which makes it even more attractive to use. The above is a symptom of lazy or incompetent IT departments that don't or can't learn to use the software. In my opinion , free software does not justify its poor quality. Many IT professionals and PC users have an opinion about LibreOffice and OpenOffice as a shitty software, which can not be used in the workplace. You're right, that's *your* opinion. How do you account for the fact that open source software is in worldwide use every day in production environments. Just few of the many cites: http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/open-source-what-you-should-learn-french-461 http://opensource.com/government/12/11/france-latest-fully-embrace-open-source http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-272299.html In contrast to system administrators trying to implement packages LibreOffice or OpenOffice, I am a professional programmer and familiar with the process of software development. In my opinion the industrial application package LibreOffice is possible, but subject to personal contact with the immediate developers package their interest in creating a quality product and responsiveness to the comments , suggestions for improvement and immediate response on the error of the package , as well as providing operational fixes without having to wait for the official release. I believe that developers care about their product and frankly, I know that in the case to contact technical support patches can wait for years That's a feature of some closed source software, notably Microsoft. You can email them with your concerns until you're blue in the face and they will produce an update months later if then. Open source developers will cure problems usually in a few days. and a direct appeal to the developer can take it to cure is not more than 15 minutes . You must think that developers have nothing to do but wait for you to contact them. They're not on your payroll. 15 minutes is laughable except for isolated instances, not in general. Also, as a programmer, as you claim to be, you should know a 15 minute fix to a problem can introduce more bugs than it cures. My idea is to introduce a distinctive package LibreOffice is in close
Re: [libreoffice-users] Trying to get possible bug info
Hi :) Sounds like you are looking for advanced debugging information https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport/Debug_Information but that is beyond the scope of average users so most people are better off just working through the kind of stuff you have already been doing and other things from on this page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport (note the link to the advanced page is at the bottom). Errr, the advanced page is beyond me so hopefully you can figure it out or Jay or someone can help with it. Good luck and regards from Tom :) On 25 December 2013 20:39, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does your spreadsheet have a large number of calculations and referrals that periodically take a long time to run? Also, can you post the spreadsheet to Nabble? Please do not post anything proprietary or private. On 12/25/2013 01:43 PM, Robin wrote: Have a spreadsheet which roughly every 5th time I save it takes several minutes and 100% cpu usage. Running from a terminal doesn't provide any info. There doesn't appear a way to run debug or logging. So, how do I get more info to provide a bug report? Debian Sid amd64 linux 3.11.2 Debian packaged Version: 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) Thanks -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
