date:20140203


On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:

Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:

Hi,

is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to 
install

it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
modification needed.

Kind regards,
Ivan Omazic



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This might prove a useful starting point:

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=28765start=0



Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for 
information about LibreOffice?


For this posted need, I remember hearing about deployment of LO on a 
LO web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it 
is grown past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed 
documentation now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web 
site/page to talk about IT management deployment of LO, including 
network based.


The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to 
get information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead 
business users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That 
is wrong way of doing business.


SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be 
resolved.  From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.


I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain 
to users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the 
needed information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.


Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open 
source option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to 
go with AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would 
be saying this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the 
deployment information.


I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] 
for the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there 
may be something there that LO currently does not have, but it should 
not be the first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the 
user the help and support they need.


I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there 
about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.


Am I alone in this opinion?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'



YES, F.O.S.S packages share things with other groups, but I really thing 
business users needs the documentation on LO pages and not OOo pages.  
These people do not understand about the sharing of information between 
friendly competition FOSS packages and the lack of info due to the 
package[s] being too new or immature to work for them.


I really would hope the first place for our users for information would 
be on a LO site or in LO docs.  So I feel we need to have the business 
information for deployment and migration in the LO wiki system and not 
ask the business users to go to our friendly competition for that 
info.  It just does not look well for us and those who market and 
support LO to the business users.



On 02/03/2014 12:27 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too.

1.  The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large
community.  There are quite a few people who work in both or move from
1 to the other and sometimes back again.  The mainstream press seems
to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted
coverage for both projects.  AOO aims at a slightly different niche
from LO although both have a lot of ground in common.  It's NOT a case
of us against them.  It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice,
Google-docs, AbiWordGnumeric etc) acting in co-operative
competition with/against each other against a dominant market-leader.

2.  I copypasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki
and the original author proof-read it for us.  He was more than happy
to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely.  Since then
others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so
'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now.  I'll
set it as a redirect to the updated one someday.

3.  I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the
concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them
off from using either of LO and AOO!!  Corporate-types are often timid
when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy
for them to understand (imo)

Regards from
Tom :)




On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:

Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:

Hi,

is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
install
it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
modification needed.

Kind regards,
Ivan Omazic



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This might prove a useful starting point:

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=28765start=0


Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
information about LibreOffice?

For this posted need, I remember hearing about deployment of LO on a LO
web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is
grown past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed documentation
now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk
about IT management deployment of LO, including network based.

The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get
information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead business
users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That is wrong way
of doing business.

SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved.
 From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.

I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain to
users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed
information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.

Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source
option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with
AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would be saying
this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment
information.

I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for
the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there may be
something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the
first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and
support they need.

I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.

Am I alone in this opinion?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'

2014-02-03 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too.

1.  The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large
community.  There are quite a few people who work in both or move from
1 to the other and sometimes back again.  The mainstream press seems
to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted
coverage for both projects.  AOO aims at a slightly different niche
from LO although both have a lot of ground in common.  It's NOT a case
of us against them.  It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice,
Google-docs, AbiWordGnumeric etc) acting in co-operative
competition with/against each other against a dominant market-leader.

2.  I copypasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki
and the original author proof-read it for us.  He was more than happy
to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely.  Since then
others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so
'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now.  I'll
set it as a redirect to the updated one someday.

3.  I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the
concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them
off from using either of LO and AOO!!  Corporate-types are often timid
when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy
for them to understand (imo)

Regards from
Tom :)




On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
 On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:

 Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:

 Hi,

 is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
 install
 it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
 modification needed.

 Kind regards,
 Ivan Omazic



 -
 Ivan Omazic
 IT Assistant / Technical Lead
 ioma...@wmo.int
 +41 22 730 81 55
 +41 79 918 34 26
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 This might prove a useful starting point:

 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=28765start=0


 Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
 information about LibreOffice?

 For this posted need, I remember hearing about deployment of LO on a LO
 web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is
 grown past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed documentation
 now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk
 about IT management deployment of LO, including network based.

 The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get
 information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead business
 users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That is wrong way
 of doing business.

 SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved.
 From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.

 I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain to
 users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed
 information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.

 Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source
 option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with
 AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would be saying
 this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment
 information.

 I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for
 the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there may be
 something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the
 first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and
 support they need.

 I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
 about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.

 Am I alone in this opinion?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

2014-02-03 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)

re: top vs bottom posting

Many people using this mailing list are likely to be unfamiliar with
various notions that are in common usage on other mailing lists.
Hopefully this mailing list responds to people in ways they are
familiar with but at the same time prepares them for other
possibilities.

Many office workers have no idea that bottom posting sometimes happens
until after they have been (possibly) rudely told off on some other
mailing list.  On this list people use all 3 methods so that new users
become aware that top-posters are often responding to something that
was bottom posted.  So we do it gently.

Oddly it seems that most other mailing lists for LibreOffice seem to
use top-posting almost exclusively whereas many other Open Source
projects bottom-post.  LibreOffice is one of the gateway projects into
the world of Open Source so it makes sense to guide people gently.


re: Reply to all

Again it's something that almost all new users are unlikely to have
used before.  Quite a few of us keep grumbling about it but in many
cases that is more about making people aware of something that other
mailing-lists take for granted.  It makes people more comfortable
about admitting to making mistakes when they realise that many others
do too, especially when it's obviously quite sophisticated users that
also make the same blunder.


Some of us keep making the same blunder or get annoyed by others doing
things differently.  Hopefully most of us have learned to be a bit
more forgiving of ourselves and of others.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 3 February 2014 13:41, Florian Effenberger
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hi James,

 James E Lang wrote on 2014-01-31 21:12:


 I also think most mailing lists encourage replies to the list by inserting
 a Reply-To header designating the list as the preferred reply address.
 This lets all on the list to learn from most responses. It also guides
 people on the list regarding which queries still need a response.


 we had quite a large discussion on that topic a while ago, with advantages
 and disadvantages for both settings (so called reply-to mangling). We have
 in the end agreed to use the setting as it is now.

 Sorry if that causes inconveniences for you, but there's close to little we
 can do to make everyone happy.

 Florian


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'

2014-02-03 Thread Pedro

Maybe these instructions are helpful

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Deployment_and_Migration

and

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Corporate_Users



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error or what?


Hi all,
Thanks for the tip!
I hope this works:
http://shared.59551.x6.nabble.com/Error-or-td2.html

/erik

Sigrid Carrera skrev 2014-02-03 09:58:

Hi Erik,

could you please upload your screenshots somewhere and give us the link?
Attachments are automatically removed, so we don't see what you've sent.

/Sigrid


On 3 February 2014 06:21, Erik Erlandsson (Nilhe AB) 
erik.erlands...@nilhe.se wrote:


Im seeing this odd behavior in a series. Around line 30 additional
decimals are showing up
What am I doing wrong?
Enclosing both screen-shot and spreadsheet as it might look different in
other installations.

I'm using  Version: 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) in Linux debian
3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2 (2013-12-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux

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[libreoffice-users] Writer printing problem

2014-02-03 Thread Joe Alders

Hello,

After a very disappointing experience using the LibreOffice Forum at the
'ask' part of the LibreOffice site, I will try this forum for help.
This is my problem using Writer:

When printing a part of a Writer document and being somewhere in this
document, it always jumps to the first page after giving the 'print' command.
This only happens when I want to print a particular page or pages.
It does not happen when I will print the complete document.
I find this very annoying and hope that someone on this forum can help me
out here.
I am using Windows 7 64 bits Home Premium.
Thanks in advance,
Joe.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Persistent System Level Custom Options?

2014-02-03 Thread iveand

No
  idea what specific system integration Ubuntu offers for
  LibreOffice, but the recommended way to install site-wide
  configuration settings for stock LibreOffice is via extensions
  that are installed as shared or 
bundled.(Seehttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensionsfor
 details.)Stephan and others,Thanks for the reply, but unfortunately the above 
link seems
basically empty.I then checked outhttp://extensions.libreoffice.org/and see 
some resources on getting
started developing.But I am not wanting to re-invent the wheel here and 
code something
up from scratch so is there any sample extension that anyone knows
of that will adjust any default values in the *.xcd XML files (or
alternatively maybe they point LibreOffice to an additional location
for settings that could be held in a custom system wide .xcu
file?)I am not looking to add interactive features to LibreOffice, but
simply to adjust some of the default settings on a system wide
level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
.xcu?) of my unique settings static, and the extension would just
put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point to it?Regards 
and thanks again,iveand
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Persistent System Level Custom Options?

2014-02-03 Thread iveand

I am
  not looking to add interactive features to LibreOffice, but
  simply to adjust some of the default settings on a system wide
  level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
  fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
  .xcu?) of my unique settings static, and the extension would
  just put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point
  to it?I think I am making some progress as I found this 
link:https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Non-code_extensionsIn that link is this 
information:Extension
  support in the Configuration Manager
--




The Configuration Manager has a similar ability as the UNO
Service Manager, it can scan a set of folders for data and puts
them all together. The list of folders is extendable itself
(through configmanager.ini) so that the Config Manager can get
additional layers. It even has the ability to use other
backends than the file system for additional layers but I leave
this out here.


The configuration data is arranged in a tree structure, data
can be filled into this structure in every layer. The
Configuration Manager scans the layers (folders) in a way that
the data in higher layers either replaces or extends the data
in lower layers, pretty much like the Windows registry does.
Whether data is replaced or extended depends on the type of the
data and is explained in the discussion of theconfiguration
  schema for our path settings.


By default OpenOffice.org has two layers you already know:
share and user. The former contains preinstalled data, the
latter takes all settings a particular users created by himself.
Configuration files in OOo extensions create two new layers,
share/uno_packages and user/uno_packages. They lie in
between the default layers, in the obvious order of priority
share - share/uno_packages - user/uno_packages - user.


So an extension can extend or change the OpenOffice.org
configuration by providing xcu files that overwrite or extend
(merge) configuration settings of OpenOffice.org. It can also
have its own configuration settings if it provides schema (xcs)
files for them.


There is another (pretty obvious) use case for the layering
concept of the Configuration Manager: overwriting the
preinstalled OpenOffice.org configuration settings on the all
users level. An administrator can customize the OpenOffice.org
installation in his own account, take the created xcu files
containing these customizations and bundle them in an extension
that he installs with unopkg add --shared each time he
installs, reinstalls or updates OpenOffice.org. No need to edit
the xcu files in share/registry by hand!File:Configuration.oxtis
an example for such configuration file. It sets Load printer
settings with the document (found in Tools-Options-Load/Save)
to false. It contains a Common.xcu file with just this
setting. It's important that this Common.xcu file is referenced
in the manifest.xml.


The layering concept of the service registry and the
configuration are the basic principles that create the power of
OOo extensions.
So, I have downloaded the sample Configuration.oxt and will see if
I am able to move toward creating my own .oxt.Also for others that may be 
curious is this 
thread:https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21t=40827Thanks,iveand
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Persistent System Level Custom Options?

2014-02-03 Thread iveand

I am
  not looking to add interactive features to LibreOffice, but
  simply to adjust some of the default settings on a system wide
  level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
  fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
  .xcu?) of my unique settings static, and the extension would
  just put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point
  to it?I think I am making some progress as I found this 
link:https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Non-code_extensionsIn that link is this 
information:Extension
  support in the Configuration Manager
--




The Configuration Manager has a similar ability as the UNO
Service Manager, it can scan a set of folders for data and puts
them all together. The list of folders is extendable itself
(through configmanager.ini) so that the Config Manager can get
additional layers. It even has the ability to use other
backends than the file system for additional layers but I leave
this out here.


The configuration data is arranged in a tree structure, data
can be filled into this structure in every layer. The
Configuration Manager scans the layers (folders) in a way that
the data in higher layers either replaces or extends the data
in lower layers, pretty much like the Windows registry does.
Whether data is replaced or extended depends on the type of the
data and is explained in the discussion of theconfiguration
  schema for our path settings.


By default OpenOffice.org has two layers you already know:
share and user. The former contains preinstalled data, the
latter takes all settings a particular users created by himself.
Configuration files in OOo extensions create two new layers,
share/uno_packages and user/uno_packages. They lie in
between the default layers, in the obvious order of priority
share - share/uno_packages - user/uno_packages - user.


So an extension can extend or change the OpenOffice.org
configuration by providing xcu files that overwrite or extend
(merge) configuration settings of OpenOffice.org. It can also
have its own configuration settings if it provides schema (xcs)
files for them.


There is another (pretty obvious) use case for the layering
concept of the Configuration Manager: overwriting the
preinstalled OpenOffice.org configuration settings on the all
users level. An administrator can customize the OpenOffice.org
installation in his own account, take the created xcu files
containing these customizations and bundle them in an extension
that he installs with unopkg add --shared each time he
installs, reinstalls or updates OpenOffice.org. No need to edit
the xcu files in share/registry by hand!File:Configuration.oxtis
an example for such configuration file. It sets Load printer
settings with the document (found in Tools-Options-Load/Save)
to false. It contains a Common.xcu file with just this
setting. It's important that this Common.xcu file is referenced
in the manifest.xml.


The layering concept of the service registry and the
configuration are the basic principles that create the power of
OOo extensions.
So, I have downloaded the sample Configuration.oxt and will see if
I am able to move toward creating my own .oxt.Also for others that may be 
curious is this 
thread:https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21t=40827Thanks,iveand
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Is LibreOffice's automatic updater obsolete?

   Since about the 2nd year of LO, it's never worked for me  ???
   one of the reasons I've stuck with the 3.4 version  ;-)

   Maybe I should have reported it, but ???
   so I thank you for reporting it.

From: null xmlhttprequest.o...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:20 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Is LibreOffice's automatic updater obsolete?
To: LibreOffice Users (Global) users@global.libreoffice.org

Hello,
Every time The Document Foundation releases a new stable version of
LibreOffice, I get a little update icon in the top-right corner of the
LibreOffice window.  It always says that the automatic update is not
available, and to click Download... to manually download the installer.
 Is the automatic updater an obsolete feature that was left in the program,
or is it never available when I check it?

Thanks,
xmlhttprequest.o...@gmail.com

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to unset reminders in LibreOffice Writer

   First, using a different font, I see that's a b -
but a b can be quickly seen as a D or a p; each of which ...
well, my apologies to you  all.

   Now, when I said 'edit' menu, yes, I should have said 'view' menu;
here you should find differing views to use - 1 shows all,
others don't.

   Hoping this helps, and hoping others will respond further so you may
continue to enjoy computing,



From: bissjoe biss...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:39 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to unset reminders in LibreOffice
Writer
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Thanks, anne-ology.

My userid is bissjoe, which is the first four letters of my family name, and
my first three letters of my given name (Joël or Joel, whether you can see
diacritics or not). I am truly sorry if I offended anyone.

I am not sure to understand your suggestions (but do not see it as a
reproach; I am quite pleased that somebody replied).

The Navigator is the sidebar where the dynamic table of contents (TOC) is
displayed. Above this TOC, there are many buttons, one of which being the
Set Reminder. This is not a button with a two-state (one for pressed and
one for unpressed). So this does not seem the way to unset a reminder. In
fact, if I click this button a second time on a paragraph where I have
already set a reminder, it adds a second reminder for the same paragraph!
This is obvious because if I click many times the Next Object (replace
Object with the proper object type, like Reminder), the cursor stays at the
same place twice.

Your second suggestion is to go the Edits Menu. Are you sure you don't mean
the Display Menu? In the Display Menu, there is a menu item Caractères non
imprimables which I have translated as Nonprintable characters.
Unfortunately, this option uses special characters for spaces and end of
lines, but does not allow to see the reminders. Maybe there is an option
somewhere to tell LibreOffice Writer that I want to see reminders, but I
have not found it yet.

Again, thank you for your replay,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Persistent System Level Custom Options?

2014-02-03 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker

Le 03/02/2014 21:03, iveand a écrit :
 I am
   not looking to add interactive features to LibreOffice, but
   simply to adjust some of the default settings on a system wide
   level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
   fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
   .xcu?) of my unique settings static, and the extension would
   just put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point
   to it?I think I am making some progress as I found this 
 link:https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Non-code_extensionsIn that link is this 
 information:Extension
   support in the Configuration Manager

I'd suggest a simple method: install LibO on a clean machine. Set it up
to your liking then save the user profile from this machine. All you've
got to do afterwards is to restore the saved user profile to each and
every new install. Then everyone has got the same in-house settings.

I'm using this very method to do exactly that.
Under Windows, I combine this with ActiveSetup so that I get an
automatic user-setting: I save the user profile somewhere on the PC (in
a subdir of ProgramFiles/LibreOffice) and configure ActiveSetup to go
and copy these settings to the new user profile. And that's it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Persistent System Level Custom Options?

2014-02-03 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker

Le 03/02/2014 21:03, iveand a écrit :
 I am
   not looking to add interactive features to LibreOffice, but
   simply to adjust some of the default settings on a system wide
   level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
   fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
   .xcu?) of my unique settings static, and the extension would
   just put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point
   to it?I think I am making some progress as I found this 
 link:https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Non-code_extensionsIn that link is this 
 information:Extension
   support in the Configuration Manager

I'd suggest a simple method: install LibO on a clean machine. Set it up
to your liking then save the user profile from this machine. All you've
got to do afterwards is to restore the saved user profile to each and
every new install. Then everyone has got the same in-house settings.

I'm using this very method to do exactly that.
Under Windows, I combine this with ActiveSetup so that I get an
automatic user-setting: I save the user profile somewhere on the PC (in
a subdir of ProgramFiles/LibreOffice) and configure ActiveSetup to go
and copy these settings to the new user profile. And that's it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error or what?

2014-02-03 Thread marianne-x

Interesting, if unsavoury, behaviour. I can confirm the identical 
results from /Curtains 7/, and LO 4.1.4.2. Line 28 marks the spot.
On a second /Curtains 7/ machine, LO deficiencies do not permit 
installation of main-line LO, but the portable version, 4.0.6.2, 
behaves in the same way.
Since LO is not allowed on that 2nd machine, routine work there is done 
with OO 3.3.0, and it, too, behaves identically on this test.


Perhaps someone with access to M$ will try the experiment there, to see 
how universal this phenomenon is.


trj

On 3 February 2014 06:21, Erik Erlandsson (Nilhe AB) 

erik.erlands...@nilhe.se wrote:


Im seeing this odd behavior in a series. Around line 30 additional
decimals are showing up
What am I doing wrong?
Enclosing both screen-shot and spreadsheet as it might look 
different in

other installations.

I'm using  Version: 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) in Linux debian
3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2 (2013-12-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error or what?


At 06:21 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:
I'm seeing this odd behavior in a series. Around line 30 
additional decimals are showing up  What am I doing wrong?


At 20:29 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson (Nilhe AB) wrote:

I hope this works: http://shared.59551.x6.nabble.com/Error-or-td2.html


I'm having to guess, as you've posted a screenshot but not the 
spreadsheet itself.  But your column appears to be calculated by an 
iterative formula, with each row calculated from the previous 
one.  As you do this, rounding errors will be introduced, and these 
will increase in size as you double the value at each step.  Since 
you take only the fractional part of the result, the number in each 
row does not generally grow in size, so the rounding errors 
eventually become significant compared with the values you have.


The calculation is probably being carried out internally to around 
fifteen significant figures.  When I try this calculation, rounding 
errors appear at row 8, but only in the fifteenth significant 
figure.  This will be happening in your calculation too, but becomes 
visible only in row 26, where the difference begins to show in the 
nine significant figures you chose to display.  Note that the 
rounding will occur in the binary numbers being used in the 
calculation by your computer hardware, not in the decimal values 
being displayed.  Your results all terminate after the first 
fractional place in decimal, but they will not do so in binary, where 
even 0.1 is the recurring fraction 0.0[0011] with those last four 
digits repeating.


You will see different results - perhaps even those you seek - if you 
tick Tools | Options... | LibreOffice Calc | Calculate | Precision as 
shown.  This causes the displayed value you see to be used in each 
calculation instead of the true value hidden in the cell.


Of course, you could apply some mathematics and find a simpler way of 
calculating these values - which, after the first, simply repeat the 
sequence 0.2, 0.4, 0.8, and 0.6.  One example is:

=MOD(2^(ROW()-1);10)/10
- but this will go awry at row 52, since 2^51 is so large (around 
fifteen digits) that its units digit is no longer reliable.


So here's a better version:
=MOD(2^(MOD(ROW()-2;4)+1);10)/10
- which should work more or less indefinitely, though not for the 
(exceptional) first row.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error or what?


Hi,
It behaves more or less the same in Excel 2003 in Win7.

http://shared.59551.x6.nabble.com/Error-or-Same-thing-in-Excel-td3.html

The formula is from a book on chaos, it describes a way to simulate a 
controlled chaotic sequence:
 take a number, a fraction between zero and one, and double it. Then 
drop the integer part, the part to the left of the decimal point. Then 
repeat the process. Since most numbers are irrational and unpredictable 
in their fine detail, the process will just produce an unpredictable 
sequence of numbers.


I expected something unpredictable, but not this! :)

/erik


On 2014-02-03 21:48, marianne-x wrote:
Interesting, if unsavoury, behaviour. I can confirm the identical 
results from /Curtains 7/, and LO 4.1.4.2. Line 28 marks the spot.
On a second /Curtains 7/ machine, LO deficiencies do not permit 
installation of main-line LO, but the portable version, 4.0.6.2, 
behaves in the same way.
Since LO is not allowed on that 2nd machine, routine work there is 
done with OO 3.3.0, and it, too, behaves identically on this test.


Perhaps someone with access to M$ will try the experiment there, to 
see how universal this phenomenon is.


trj

On 3 February 2014 06:21, Erik Erlandsson (Nilhe AB) 

erik.erlands...@nilhe.se wrote:


Im seeing this odd behavior in a series. Around line 30 additional
decimals are showing up
What am I doing wrong?
Enclosing both screen-shot and spreadsheet as it might look 
different in

other installations.

I'm using  Version: 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 410m0(Build:2) in Linux debian
3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2 (2013-12-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error or what?


Thanks Brian!

I realize that it is a rounding error that adds the decimals.
It actually behaves similarily with percision as shown

But mystery 2 still stays, why does the function kill itself from line 50+ ?

The spreadsheets are enclosed in the postings on nabble, link below image.

Best
/erik
On 2014-02-03 22:20, Brian Barker wrote:

At 06:21 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:
I'm seeing this odd behavior in a series. Around line 30 additional 
decimals are showing up  What am I doing wrong?


At 20:29 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson (Nilhe AB) wrote:

I hope this works: http://shared.59551.x6.nabble.com/Error-or-td2.html


I'm having to guess, as you've posted a screenshot but not the 
spreadsheet itself.  But your column appears to be calculated by an 
iterative formula, with each row calculated from the previous one.  As 
you do this, rounding errors will be introduced, and these will 
increase in size as you double the value at each step. Since you take 
only the fractional part of the result, the number in each row does 
not generally grow in size, so the rounding errors eventually become 
significant compared with the values you have.


The calculation is probably being carried out internally to around 
fifteen significant figures.  When I try this calculation, rounding 
errors appear at row 8, but only in the fifteenth significant figure.  
This will be happening in your calculation too, but becomes visible 
only in row 26, where the difference begins to show in the nine 
significant figures you chose to display.  Note that the rounding will 
occur in the binary numbers being used in the calculation by your 
computer hardware, not in the decimal values being displayed.  Your 
results all terminate after the first fractional place in decimal, but 
they will not do so in binary, where even 0.1 is the recurring 
fraction 0.0[0011] with those last four digits repeating.


You will see different results - perhaps even those you seek - if you 
tick Tools | Options... | LibreOffice Calc | Calculate | Precision as 
shown.  This causes the displayed value you see to be used in each 
calculation instead of the true value hidden in the cell.


Of course, you could apply some mathematics and find a simpler way of 
calculating these values - which, after the first, simply repeat the 
sequence 0.2, 0.4, 0.8, and 0.6.  One example is:

=MOD(2^(ROW()-1);10)/10
- but this will go awry at row 52, since 2^51 is so large (around 
fifteen digits) that its units digit is no longer reliable.


So here's a better version:
=MOD(2^(MOD(ROW()-2;4)+1);10)/10
- which should work more or less indefinitely, though not for the 
(exceptional) first row.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'

YES
this is the type of LO page link we should give users instead of sending
them off to OOo or any other non-LO site first.

I knew we had documentation somewhere. We just need to get the word out
there better.

Maybe have more indexed material resources list. The
/Deployment_and_Migration page is listed in the Teams section.
Maybe have section titles in the main page that lists specific
discussions or resource materials would be very helpful at this
point. Maybe having a larger indexed list of topics that are of use to
the setup, migration, and/or business deployment would be something that
could be a top level listing in the main page and in the
documentation page[s].

The #Corporate_Users page is not listed in the main documentation
list, and needs to, instead of other documents, etc., section. These
things need to be top level items that are very easy to see from the
main page and/or the main documentation page. If we can make it very
easy for the business users, large and small, to find the needed
documentation instead of a lot of searching around hoping we have what
they need, then maybe we could get more exposure in the business world.
The UK mandate for using ODF stated OpenOffice instead of the file
format name. This was brought out in an article about LO 4.2.x.
OOo/AOO seems to be thought of as the only proper ODF using package by
people and not LO. This may be that they have more information
equating OOo/AOO with ODF, and not LO, with ODF as the standard package
for using that open file format[s] system. WE need to get businesses
attention with the facts about both LO's ODF standards and the better
OOXML standards usability that MS requires businesses to use.

We need our supporters to have easy access to where the needed
references, in a well thought out indexed system of Wiki pages that
make sense with topic groupings. This will help both these supporters
and our users to find the needed information.

In the below listing, I would think that the documents needed by
Business and Corporate users about setup, deployment, and migration to
LO would be in one easy to find place, and not spread all over where you
have to search other needs to find the link to the deployment info or
other Corporate needed info. Right now it look like you have to go to
several different sections to find the links that might be of common use
to these users.

I would love to find out why the UK minister stated OOo for the file
format[s] type, along with Google Docs, as potential formats to use
instead of MSO's ones. Be nice to have some high up tech guy let the
minister know that LO can do ODF documents just as well as OOo, even
though it is now called AOO instead of OOo. At least the UK and France
are getting the idea that MSO proprietary formats are not the way to do
business anymore if you want a more open government or business.

On 02/03/2014 12:53 PM, Pedro wrote:

Maybe these instructions are helpful

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Deployment_and_Migration

and

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Corporate_Users

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer printing problem


On 02/03/2014 02:20 PM, Joe Alders wrote:

Hello,

After a very disappointing experience using the LibreOffice Forum at the
'ask' part of the LibreOffice site, I will try this forum for help.
This is my problem using Writer:

When printing a part of a Writer document and being somewhere in this
document, it always jumps to the first page after giving the 'print' command.
This only happens when I want to print a particular page or pages.
It does not happen when I will print the complete document.
I find this very annoying and hope that someone on this forum can help me
out here.
I am using Windows 7 64 bits Home Premium.
Thanks in advance,
Joe.




Are you saying you are on page 5 and you print page 5, but then LO moves 
you to viewing page 1?


Which version of LO are you using?  4.1.4?  4.2.0?

I see that happening in 4.1.4 [Ubuntu 64-bit], since I checked. I was on 
page 4 of a 40+ page document.  I had to type in page 4 for the page to 
print [no print current page command].  That page printed and then the 
displayed jumped me to page 1.


I do not remember this happening with 4.0.6.  I went from that to 4.1.4.

YES, that is a major problem for people editing specific pages of a 
large document and having to go back to the page they are working on 
from page one.  It would bother me big time.


It would be nice to see print current page as an option, like the 
other packages do - say like the PDF file viewers do on Ubuntu. I have 
not checked this out on Windows though since Ubuntu and Windows options 
can be a little different.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

2014-02-03 Thread Peter West

Every now and then ossers (open source people) get a bee in their bonnet 
about something. Top-posting is one of those somethings.  The most 
popular email clients default to top-posting. There's a reason for that. 
 On a list, if you are interested in a particular topic, you will have 
been following along as it developed, generally pretty quickly. You know 
what the context is, and you just want to see what the latest 
contributor is saying. If you need to check the context, you scroll 
down. So top-posting satisfies the vast majority of use cases, and 
bottom-posting is a pain in the vast majority. Easy.


It mystifies me that some ossers become tossers on this particular 
topic, and start to denigrate perfectly sensible users for doing the 
simple an sensible thing and top-posting.

On 4/02/2014 2:30 am, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

re: top vs bottom posting

Many people using this mailing list are likely to be unfamiliar with
various notions that are in common usage on other mailing lists.
Hopefully this mailing list responds to people in ways they are
familiar with but at the same time prepares them for other
possibilities.

Many office workers have no idea that bottom posting sometimes happens
until after they have been (possibly) rudely told off on some other
mailing list.  On this list people use all 3 methods so that new users
become aware that top-posters are often responding to something that
was bottom posted.  So we do it gently.

Oddly it seems that most other mailing lists for LibreOffice seem to
use top-posting almost exclusively whereas many other Open Source
projects bottom-post.  LibreOffice is one of the gateway projects into
the world of Open Source so it makes sense to guide people gently.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

   exactly;
  logic seems to be missing in some folks  ;-)

From: Peter West li...@pbw.id.au
Date: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org

Every now and then ossers (open source people) get a bee in their bonnet
about something. Top-posting is one of those somethings.  The most popular
email clients default to top-posting. There's a reason for that.  On a
list, if you are interested in a particular topic, you will have been
following along as it developed, generally pretty quickly. You know what
the context is, and you just want to see what the latest contributor is
saying. If you need to check the context, you scroll down. So top-posting
satisfies the vast majority of use cases, and bottom-posting is a pain in
the vast majority. Easy.

It mystifies me that some ossers become tossers on this particular topic,
and start to denigrate perfectly sensible users for doing the simple an
sensible thing and top-posting.

On 4/02/2014 2:30 am, Tom Davies wrote:

 Hi :)

 re: top vs bottom posting

 Many people using this mailing list are likely to be unfamiliar with
 various notions that are in common usage on other mailing lists.
 Hopefully this mailing list responds to people in ways they are
 familiar with but at the same time prepares them for other
 possibilities.

 Many office workers have no idea that bottom posting sometimes happens
 until after they have been (possibly) rudely told off on some other
 mailing list.  On this list people use all 3 methods so that new users
 become aware that top-posters are often responding to something that
 was bottom posted.  So we do it gently.

 Oddly it seems that most other mailing lists for LibreOffice seem to
 use top-posting almost exclusively whereas many other Open Source
 projects bottom-post.  LibreOffice is one of the gateway projects into
 the world of Open Source so it makes sense to guide people gently.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer printing problem

   This must be another bug in these later editions  ;-(

   I definitely will not be up-dating anytime soon  ;-)

From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
Date: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer printing problem
To: users@global.libreoffice.org

On 02/03/2014 02:20 PM, Joe Alders wrote:

 Hello,

 After a very disappointing experience using the LibreOffice Forum at the
 'ask' part of the LibreOffice site, I will try this forum for help.
 This is my problem using Writer:

 When printing a part of a Writer document and being somewhere in this
 document, it always jumps to the first page after giving the 'print'
 command.
 This only happens when I want to print a particular page or pages.
 It does not happen when I will print the complete document.
 I find this very annoying and hope that someone on this forum can help me
 out here.
 I am using Windows 7 64 bits Home Premium.
 Thanks in advance,
 Joe.

Are you saying you are on page 5 and you print page 5, but then LO moves
you to viewing page 1?

Which version of LO are you using?  4.1.4?  4.2.0?

I see that happening in 4.1.4 [Ubuntu 64-bit], since I checked. I was on
page 4 of a 40+ page document.  I had to type in page 4 for the page to
print [no print current page command].  That page printed and then the
displayed jumped me to page 1.

I do not remember this happening with 4.0.6.  I went from that to 4.1.4.

YES, that is a major problem for people editing specific pages of a large
document and having to go back to the page they are working on from page
one.  It would bother me big time.

It would be nice to see print current page as an option, like the other
packages do - say like the PDF file viewers do on Ubuntu. I have not
checked this out on Windows though since Ubuntu and Windows options can be
a little different.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'

2014-02-03 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Copypaste is good wrt my item 3.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 3 February 2014 17:45, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 YES, F.O.S.S packages share things with other groups, but I really thing
 business users needs the documentation on LO pages and not OOo pages.  These
 people do not understand about the sharing of information between friendly
 competition FOSS packages and the lack of info due to the package[s] being
 too new or immature to work for them.

 I really would hope the first place for our users for information would be
 on a LO site or in LO docs.  So I feel we need to have the business
 information for deployment and migration in the LO wiki system and not ask
 the business users to go to our friendly competition for that info.  It
 just does not look well for us and those who market and support LO to the
 business users.


 On 02/03/2014 12:27 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

 Hi :)
 You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too.

 1.  The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large
 community.  There are quite a few people who work in both or move from
 1 to the other and sometimes back again.  The mainstream press seems
 to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted
 coverage for both projects.  AOO aims at a slightly different niche
 from LO although both have a lot of ground in common.  It's NOT a case
 of us against them.  It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice,
 Google-docs, AbiWordGnumeric etc) acting in co-operative
 competition with/against each other against a dominant market-leader.

 2.  I copypasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki
 and the original author proof-read it for us.  He was more than happy
 to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely.  Since then
 others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so
 'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now.  I'll
 set it as a redirect to the updated one someday.

 3.  I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the
 concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them
 off from using either of LO and AOO!!  Corporate-types are often timid
 when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy
 for them to understand (imo)

 Regards from
 Tom :)




 On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
 webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:

 Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:

 Hi,

 is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
 install
 it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
 modification needed.

 Kind regards,
 Ivan Omazic



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 This might prove a useful starting point:

 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=28765start=0

 Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
 information about LibreOffice?

 For this posted need, I remember hearing about deployment of LO on a LO
 web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is
 grown past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed documentation
 now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to
 talk
 about IT management deployment of LO, including network based.

 The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to
 get
 information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead business
 users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That is wrong
 way
 of doing business.

 SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be
 resolved.
  From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.

 I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain
 to
 users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed
 information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.

 Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open
 source
 option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with
 AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would be
 saying
 this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment
 information.

 I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s]
 for
 the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there may be
 something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the
 first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help
 and
 support they need.

 I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
 about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.

 Am I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Error or what?


At 22:56 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:

On 2014-02-03 22:20, Brian Barker wrote:

At 06:21 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:
I'm seeing this odd behavior in a series. Around line 30 
additional decimals are showing up  What am I doing wrong?


At 20:29 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:

I hope this works: http://shared.59551.x6.nabble.com/Error-or-td2.html


I'm having to guess, as you've posted a screenshot but not the 
spreadsheet itself.  But your column appears to be calculated by an 
iterative formula, with each row calculated from the previous 
one.  As you do this, rounding errors will be introduced, and these 
will increase in size as you double the value at each step. Since 
you take only the fractional part of the result, the number in each 
row does not generally grow in size, so the rounding errors 
eventually become significant compared with the values you have.


The calculation is probably being carried out internally to around 
fifteen significant figures.  When I try this calculation, rounding 
errors appear at row 8, but only in the fifteenth significant figure.
This will be happening in your calculation too, but becomes visible 
only in row 26, where the difference begins to show in the nine 
significant figures you chose to display.  Note that the rounding 
will occur in the binary numbers being used in the calculation by 
your computer hardware, not in the decimal values being 
displayed.  Your results all terminate after the first fractional 
place in decimal, but they will not do so in binary, where even 0.1 
is the recurring fraction 0.0[0011] with those last four digits repeating.


You will see different results - perhaps even those you seek - if 
you tick Tools | Options... | LibreOffice Calc | Calculate | 
Precision as shown.  This causes the displayed value you see to be 
used in each calculation instead of the true value hidden in the cell.


Of course, you could apply some mathematics and find a simpler way 
of calculating these values - which, after the first, simply repeat 
the sequence 0.2, 0.4, 0.8, and 0.6.  One example is:

=MOD(2^(ROW()-1);10)/10
- but this will go awry at row 52, since 2^51 is so large (around 
fifteen digits) that its units digit is no longer reliable.


So here's a better version:
=MOD(2^(MOD(ROW()-2;4)+1);10)/10
- which should work more or less indefinitely, though not for the 
(exceptional) first row.


At 22:38 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:

It behaves more or less the same in Excel 2003 in Win7.


It will.  You have called your spreadsheet document Calcbug - but 
this is not a bug, but the inevitable consequence of using a finite 
computing machine.


The formula is from a book on chaos, it describes a way to simulate 
a controlled chaotic sequence: ...


It's perhaps unfortunate, then, that you misrepresented your original 
query, suggesting that it was odd behaviour and asking what you were 
doing wrong.



I expected something unpredictable, but not this!


It's all predictable if you understand what is happening under the 
bonnet (hood).


I realize that it is a rounding error that adds the decimals.  It 
actually behaves similarly with precision as shown


No, with Precision as shown the calculation proceeds differently 
and straightforwardly, since the rounding errors are dropped at each 
stage.  But you may have to save and reopen the document file in 
order to see the difference.



But mystery 2 still stays, why does the function kill itself from line 50+ ?


There's no mystery.  The rounding errors become visible at your 
chosen display precision at row 28, but by about row 52 they have 
started to interfere with the single significant digit you are 
attempting to calculate with - so even that becomes unstable.  Once 
the errors happen to cause a result to be zero, that special case 
will be preserved without further error.



The spreadsheets are enclosed in the postings on nabble, link below image.


Sorry if I missed that earlier.  Fortunately I guessed accurately 
what you were doing.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?


At 09:58 04/02/2014 +1000, Peter West wrote:

It mystifies me that some ossers become tossers on this particular topic, ...


Whatever value your argument might have had, you destroy it by being 
abusive and using an ad hominem argument, of course.  It is thus 
surprising that you should choose to do this.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Removing Index Markers from Writer: a How-To

2014-02-03 Thread Peter West

Hi Frank,

Finally got back to this. Can you check this for me against an .fodt
file, please?

perl -pi'orig_*' -e 's/text:alphabetical-index-mark
text:string-value=[[:alpha:]]*//g'

On 29/01/2014 11:23 pm, CVAlkan wrote:

Peter:

I mentioned sed and grep, but don't see any reason why perl couldn't be used
as well. If you test this and it works, please post back to give others
another option.

BUT: my sed command only removed the markers from the fodt. As I mentioned I
was unable to convert the odt to an fodt (essentially uncompressing the odt
to readable xml) using the unzip capability of my OS (as I'm pretty sure
could be done with earlier open office documents).

Since LO can easily write and read fodt files, though, it really wasn't
necessary to do any file format conversion, and I didn't bother spending the
time to figure out how to do everything in one shot.

Frank

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Removing Index Markers from Writer: a How-To

2014-02-03 Thread Peter West


The file name goes at the end of the command, of course.

On 4/02/2014 3:44 pm, Peter West wrote:

Hi Frank,

Finally got back to this. Can you check this for me against an .fodt
file, please?

  perl -pi'orig_*' -e 's/text:alphabetical-index-mark
text:string-value=[[:alpha:]]*//g'


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error or what?


Hi Brian,

Initially I thought it was a bug, but now I understand more or less what 
is happening in both mysteries
Still, ticking Precision as shown does no difference at all to the 
result even after closing and reopening.


I rest my case, thank you for the education!

/e


On 2014-02-04 06:30, Brian Barker wrote:

At 22:56 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:

On 2014-02-03 22:20, Brian Barker wrote:

At 06:21 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:
I'm seeing this odd behavior in a series. Around line 30 
additional decimals are showing up What am I doing wrong?


At 20:29 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:

I hope this works: http://shared.59551.x6.nabble.com/Error-or-td2.html


I'm having to guess, as you've posted a screenshot but not the 
spreadsheet itself.  But your column appears to be calculated by an 
iterative formula, with each row calculated from the previous one.  
As you do this, rounding errors will be introduced, and these will 
increase in size as you double the value at each step. Since you 
take only the fractional part of the result, the number in each row 
does not generally grow in size, so the rounding errors eventually 
become significant compared with the values you have.


The calculation is probably being carried out internally to around 
fifteen significant figures.  When I try this calculation, rounding 
errors appear at row 8, but only in the fifteenth significant figure.
This will be happening in your calculation too, but becomes visible 
only in row 26, where the difference begins to show in the nine 
significant figures you chose to display.  Note that the rounding 
will occur in the binary numbers being used in the calculation by 
your computer hardware, not in the decimal values being displayed.  
Your results all terminate after the first fractional place in 
decimal, but they will not do so in binary, where even 0.1 is the 
recurring fraction 0.0[0011] with those last four digits repeating.


You will see different results - perhaps even those you seek - if 
you tick Tools | Options... | LibreOffice Calc | Calculate | 
Precision as shown.  This causes the displayed value you see to be 
used in each calculation instead of the true value hidden in the cell.


Of course, you could apply some mathematics and find a simpler way 
of calculating these values - which, after the first, simply repeat 
the sequence 0.2, 0.4, 0.8, and 0.6.  One example is:

=MOD(2^(ROW()-1);10)/10
- but this will go awry at row 52, since 2^51 is so large (around 
fifteen digits) that its units digit is no longer reliable.


So here's a better version:
=MOD(2^(MOD(ROW()-2;4)+1);10)/10
- which should work more or less indefinitely, though not for the 
(exceptional) first row.


At 22:38 03/02/2014 +0100, Erik Erlandsson wrote:

It behaves more or less the same in Excel 2003 in Win7.


It will.  You have called your spreadsheet document Calcbug - but 
this is not a bug, but the inevitable consequence of using a finite 
computing machine.


The formula is from a book on chaos, it describes a way to simulate a 
controlled chaotic sequence: ...


It's perhaps unfortunate, then, that you misrepresented your original 
query, suggesting that it was odd behaviour and asking what you were 
doing wrong.



I expected something unpredictable, but not this!


It's all predictable if you understand what is happening under the 
bonnet (hood).


I realize that it is a rounding error that adds the decimals.  It 
actually behaves similarly with precision as shown


No, with Precision as shown the calculation proceeds differently and 
straightforwardly, since the rounding errors are dropped at each 
stage.  But you may have to save and reopen the document file in order 
to see the difference.


But mystery 2 still stays, why does the function kill itself from 
line 50+ ?


There's no mystery.  The rounding errors become visible at your chosen 
display precision at row 28, but by about row 52 they have started to 
interfere with the single significant digit you are attempting to 
calculate with - so even that becomes unstable. Once the errors happen 
to cause a result to be zero, that special case will be preserved 
without further error.


The spreadsheets are enclosed in the postings on nabble, link below 
image.


Sorry if I missed that earlier.  Fortunately I guessed accurately what 
you were doing.


Brian Barker





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

2014-02-03 Thread pete nikolic

On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 05:33:24 +
Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:

 At 09:58 04/02/2014 +1000, Peter West wrote:
 It mystifies me that some ossers become tossers on this particular topic, ...
 
 Whatever value your argument might have had, you destroy it by being 
 abusive and using an ad hominem argument, of course.  It is thus 
 surprising that you should choose to do this.
 
 Brian Barker
 
 

+1 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Persistent System Level Custom Options?

2014-02-03 Thread Stephan Bergmann


On 02/03/2014 08:39 PM, iveand wrote:

No
   idea what specific system integration Ubuntu offers for
   LibreOffice, but the recommended way to install site-wide
   configuration settings for stock LibreOffice is via extensions
   that are installed as shared or 
bundled.(Seehttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensionsfor
 details.)Stephan and others,Thanks for the reply, but unfortunately the above 
link seems
 basically empty.I then checked outhttp://extensions.libreoffice.org/and 
see some resources on getting
 started developing.But I am not wanting to re-invent the wheel here and 
code something
 up from scratch so is there any sample extension that anyone knows
 of that will adjust any default values in the *.xcd XML files (or
 alternatively maybe they point LibreOffice to an additional location
 for settings that could be held in a custom system wide .xcu
 file?)I am not looking to add interactive features to LibreOffice, but
 simply to adjust some of the default settings on a system wide
 level.If I could bundle these as an extension that would be just
 fine to deploy.I could even have the .xml file (I would guess an
 .xcu?) of my unique settings static, and the extension would just
 put it in place and update whatever needs modifying to point to it?Regards 
and thanks again,iveand


Sorry, my DevGuide URL was wrong, it should be 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensions/Extensions.


For an example configuration-only extension, 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69609#c3 has a link to 
http://www.linuxtag.org/2012/fileadmin/www.linuxtag.org/slides/Thorsten%20Behrens%20-%20LibreOffice%20configuration%20management%20-%20Tools_%20approaches%20and%20best%20practices.p331.pdf 
which in turn has a link to 
http://users.freedesktop.org/~thorsten/extensions/config_only_sample.oxt.


Stephan

[Btw, your reply mail looked really garbled, see above.  Could it be 
you're using a mail client that only produces poorly formatted plaintext 
alongside an HTML alternative?]


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error or what?