[libreoffice-users] Creating Envelope Forms

2014-09-30 Thread John R. Sowden
I am starting the long trek from WordStar/DOS to Libre Office/Ubuntu. I have many forms to create, about 6 are envelopes. Since our Dell Laser printer does not like to print envelopes en masse, I'm giving LO a go. Problem is in 'help', I am directed to 'insert envelope'. By insert, I assume

[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread alphacrash
Hi, Paul-6 wrote > So far I have heard a lot of defense of the current terminology, butmost > of it has been to point out that the alternatives are not better(a > debatable point), very little has been to point out why the > currentterminology is any good. And very little has been said about any >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: panel in open and save as dialogues

2014-09-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Thanks! That might be useful so i'll try to have a look tomorrow. I also like the sort-of-bookmarks idea someone mentioned in another post. Regards from Tom :) On 30 September 2014 22:30, Steve Edmonds wrote: > I just noticed in my dolphin at top right settings I can show tree view. > St

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Paul
Hi Charles, On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:32:53 +0200 "Charles-H. Schulz" wrote: > Hello Paul > > On 30 septembre 2014 15:38:26 CEST, Paul > wrote: > >Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more... > > > > > >On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:54:58 +0200 > >"Charles-H. Schulz" wrote: > > > >> Le 30.09.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Paul
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:28:52 +1000 Hedley Finger wrote: > Aha! I think I have solved the terminology problem! > > For many working on the LO project, English is their second language.* > Clearly, when terms were being proposed, someone misheard, which why > is why the two forks were not named

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Paul
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:01:09 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/30/2014 10:41 AM, Sophie wrote: > > What makes no sense for me is to refuse something without even > > having a look at it. > > What am I refusing to look at? The complicated instructions? I think the important point is that if it i

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: panel in open and save as dialogues

2014-09-30 Thread Steve Edmonds
I just noticed in my dolphin at top right settings I can show tree view. Steve On 2014-09-28 04:38, John King wrote: On 27/09/14 16:00, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Le 27/09/2014 11:19, John King a écrit : Libreoffice 4.2 and 4.3 on opensuse and xubuntu The left hand panel in the 'open' an

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Hedley Finger
Aha! I think I have solved the terminology problem! For many working on the LO project, English is their second language.* Clearly, when terms were being proposed, someone misheard, which why is why the two forks were not named “Fresh" and “Stale". Rearguards, Hedley * I have only one language a

Re: [libreoffice-users] NA-DVD 4.3.2 ISO file is now online

2014-09-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Congrats and many thanks Tim! :)) Great work there and really interesting to see some of the stats there. Many, many thanks and regards from Tom :) On 30 September 2014 11:04, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster < webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote: > > I would like to announce that the LibreOffi

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/30/2014 10:41 AM, Sophie wrote: > What makes no sense for me is to refuse something without even having a > look at it. What am I refusing to look at? The complicated instructions? Or are you saying that the installer already works as I described? If it does, fantastic! It would be huge, bu

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/30/2014 10:40 AM, Sophie wrote: > Hi, > Le 30/09/2014 16:12, Tanstaafl a écrit : >> variation) - ie, 'Stable', 'Testing', 'Development' - is what is ridiculous. > But those doesn't exist anywhere else, because we are not producing a > distro but a desktop software and the concept is complete

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Dan Lewis
On 09/30/2014 09:48 AM, Sophie wrote: Hi Paul, Le 30/09/2014 15:38, Paul a écrit : [...] The other solution, to make it *easy* to install side-by-side versions, should be done irrespective of the terminology, but I realise that will take considerably longer to implement. Although it still shou

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I think i didn't state it clearly enough and something got lost in translation Errr, the single installer installs both "Still" and "Fresh" at the same time as each other? One installer gets both versions at the same time? Regards from Tom :) On 30 September 2014 15:00, Sophie wrote: >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Sophie
Hi, Le 30/09/2014 16:14, Tanstaafl a écrit : > On 9/30/2014 9:53 AM, Tom Davies wrote: >> I think people are talking about a single installer that does the whole >> job. Something that normal users can just double-click on, rather than a >> long set of complicated instructions. > > Yes. The inst

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi Charles, Le 30/09/2014 16:32, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : > > Where I disagree with you is that there are people who think that fresh is > unstable and not even a testing branch... but so be it. > IIRC, this is probably because this is how things were previously introduced on the previous w

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Sophie
Hi, Le 30/09/2014 16:12, Tanstaafl a écrit : > On 9/30/2014 8:54 AM, Charles-H. Schulz > wrote: >> I am sorry to say this, but what is ridiculous here is the inability of >> some to even understand what is being discussed. > > Oh, I understand what is being discussed. > > What you don't underst

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Paul On 30 septembre 2014 15:38:26 CEST, Paul wrote: >Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more... > > >On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:54:58 +0200 >"Charles-H. Schulz" wrote: > >> Le 30.09.2014 13:26, Tanstaafl a écrit : >> > On 9/29/2014 2:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> >> Yes, "Fresh" is

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Sophie
Le 30/09/2014 16:04, Tom Davies a écrit : > Hi :) > I think i didn't state it clearly enough and something got lost in > translation > > Errr, the single installer installs both "Still" and "Fresh" at the same > time as each other? One installer gets both versions at the same time? Hum, read the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/30/2014 9:53 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > I think people are talking about a single installer that does the whole > job. Something that normal users can just double-click on, rather than a > long set of complicated instructions. Yes. The installer should automatically detect the other version an

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Paul
Hi Sophie, Tom, et al. Thank you for the instructions. I knew it was possible, but hadn't looked into it. As Tom pointed out though, this does need to be part of the standard installer, which I don't think this is? People shouldn't have to go looking for ways to do this, just downloading LO and i

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/30/2014 8:54 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > I am sorry to say this, but what is ridiculous here is the inability of > some to even understand what is being discussed. Oh, I understand what is being discussed. What you don't understand is the complaint. > Fresh is not testing. It has never

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 30/09/14 16:00, Sophie wrote: > That is what is doing the Windows installer. On Linux, there is only one > command line and a file to edit, so really I don't see how it's > complicated. I don't know about Mac however. On a Mac, you can install as many instances of LibreOffice as you want, prov

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Sophie
Hi Paul, Le 30/09/2014 15:38, Paul a écrit : [...] > > The other solution, to make it *easy* to install side-by-side versions, > should be done irrespective of the terminology, but I realise that will > take considerably longer to implement. Although it still should be > recognised as an importa

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Sophie
Le 30/09/2014 15:53, Tom Davies a écrit : > Hi :) > I think people are talking about a single installer that does the whole > job. Something that normal users can just double-click on, rather than a > long set of complicated instructions. That is what is doing the Windows installer. On Linux, the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I think people are talking about a single installer that does the whole job. Something that normal users can just double-click on, rather than a long set of complicated instructions. Good point though. There ARE instructions for installing both, so we are part-way towards what people are s

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Paul
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more... On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:54:58 +0200 "Charles-H. Schulz" wrote: > Le 30.09.2014 13:26, Tanstaafl a écrit : > > On 9/29/2014 2:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > >> Yes, "Fresh" is stable but because it's had new features added we > >> can expect to f

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le 30.09.2014 13:26, Tanstaafl a écrit : On 9/29/2014 2:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Yes, "Fresh" is stable but because it's had new features added we can expect to find that some things that don't so well in "Fresh" and yet still find that they work perfectly fine in "Still". To many of us that

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/29/2014 2:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > Yes, "Fresh" is stable but because it's had new features added we can > expect to find that some things that don't so well in "Fresh" and yet still > find that they work perfectly fine in "Still". > > To many of us that all sounds like a lot of politician

Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Window without Decoration on Ubuntu

2014-09-30 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster
Which version of Ubuntu and what desktop environments are you using? Ubuntu 13.xx? 14.04? Unity? MATE?, KDE?, GNOME? To be honest, I do not know what to say. I use the Ubuntu-based [13.xx] OS on my main desktop - Linux Mint 16 with MATE. The "window decoration" does not bother me. Of course

Re: [libreoffice-users] Fatal Error on Install of LibreOffice 4.3

2014-09-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Errr, maybe "Fatal" really did mean fatal after all!?! No responses from Martin yet! :( Regards from Tom :) On 29 September 2014 13:58, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > On 09/29/2014 01:44 PM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > >> On 09/29/2014 01:17 PM, Martin White wrote: >> >>> I have just tried to in

[libreoffice-users] NA-DVD 4.3.2 ISO file is now online

2014-09-30 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster
I would like to announce that the LibreOffice North American Community DVD Project has uploaded its 4.3.2 version ISO file. https://sourceforge.net/projects/libreofficenadvd/files/4.3.x-versions/ [4.3.0, 4.3.1, and 4.3.2 versions are listed here] Thanks to all of the people who have downloade

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Hedley, We do have alphas betas and rvs for both branches. Just sayin'. Best, Charles. On 30 septembre 2014 11:27:45 CEST, Hedley Finger wrote: >Normally I avoid religious arguments where the Fundamentalist >Parboilians >are just as firmly welded to their position as their opponents the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Hedley Finger
Normally I avoid religious arguments where the Fundamentalist Parboilians are just as firmly welded to their position as their opponents the Pastafarians are to theirs. But even such a non-dev as I am can understand alpha, beta, unstable, stable, and final release, simply because all other open so

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Florian, Florian Reisinger wrote on 30-09-14 07:58: > I do like "stable" and "old stable" - because that's the situation. (Was a > suggestion from Debian) (deleted the rest) IMO it is a good approach to give the new naming a fair change _and_ proper explanation. Discussing the zillion other o