[libreoffice-users] LO Base
I have a question about Base: I used to work with standalone HSQLDB using Java on the OS/2 (eCS) platform. During that time, it was announced that Sun's upcoming release of Open Office would include HSQL as the builtin database engine. I have recently read that Open Office no longer uses HSQL. Is that also true of LO? If HSQL is indeed the builtin database engine, is it really necessary to have another database product to do database work in LO Base? I stopped using eCS a few years ago when the (at the time) latest version would not install on my new computer. I am now using Windows 10 (which I literally despise). Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [MariaDB Announce] MariaDB Galera Cluster 10.0.12 GA and MariaDB 10.1.0 Alpha now available
On 7/4/2014 11:40 PM, Owen Genat wrote: NoOp wrote On 07/04/2014 12:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There are a few reasons; * Base needs an external back-end but most new users wont be aware of that Interesting. I never knew that Base needs an external back-end... Perhaps you can get the documentation folks to add that to the help files and the Base docs This will be unlikely to happen in the short term as the so-called split configuration is considered to be for experts only. The idea behind the embedded configuration (i.e., a database back-end inside an ODF container) was developed to mask some of the database back-end detail and for portability. While simpler, the embedded configuration is reported as suffering greater data loss / corruption issues, due to the nature of the packaging. There are numerous threads over on the Apache OO forum about problems with the embedded configuration. There is also a lengthy and detailed discussion about Base / ODF container portability http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/7876 that provides several links to the mentioned Apache OO forum threads. Summary: In order for a split configuration to become more widespread it would be ideal for some sort of pack-n-go facility to be developed for Base to allow greater portability of data in a manner more in keeping with office documents. I thought Base had HSQLDB built into it, but COULD use a different back end if desired. The only drawback I can see to using HSQLDB is that it needs to be accessed from a Java environment. I have used standalone HSQLDB in Java apps and found it to be very robust and surprisingly fast in light of the fact that Java is an interpreted language. Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Documentation
I was searching via google for LO documentation and I found WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf. However, when I clicked on it, I received a document with 468 blank pages. This was the URL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/35/WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Documentation
On 4/23/2014 4:49 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: I was searching via google for LO documentation and I found WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf. However, when I clicked on it, I received a document with 468 blank pages. This was the URL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/35/WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf Dale Erwin Never mind... I connected from a different link and this time the document was populated. Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Why new page style after manual page break changes all pages?
On 4/22/2014 7:35 AM, Nino Novak wrote: On 21.04.2014 22:30, Dale Erwin wrote: [...] I have never had this problem and have never had the need to create sections. Maybe it's because I always use page styles alternating from right page to left page and back. For instance, I begin a book with a page style called Title, marked as right page only and set the next page style to Copyright. I set the Copyright style to left page only and the next style as FrontMatterRight. I set the FrontMatterRight style to right page only and next style as FrontMatterLeft and set the FrontMatterLeft style to left page only and next style to FrontMatterRight. This puts me in a loop, and to break out of the loop I insert a manual page break and check the option to change the style. I also set the FrontMatter styles to use lower case roman numerals for page numbering and I can change the page numbering at the same time as I break out of the loop with the insert manual page break. Isn't what you describe exactly creating sections (even if you call it page break with changing style or whatever)? Nino I should hope not. On the Insert menu there is an option for Manual Break and an option for Section. Why would that be considered the same thing? And, if it is, why are two options necessary? Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Why new page style after manual page break changes all pages?
On 4/21/2014 7:55 AM, Kevin O'Brien wrote: Got caught by that misconfigured reply again.g -- Forwarded message -- From: Kevin O'Brien zwiln...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Why new page style after manual page break changes all pages? To: Sean Darcy seandar...@gmail.com By design, a Page Style will normally affect the entire document. If you want to have different parts of the document use different Page Styles, I would suggest that you create Sections. Each section can have its own Page Style. I have never had this problem and have never had the need to create sections. Maybe it's because I always use page styles alternating from right page to left page and back. For instance, I begin a book with a page style called Title, marked as right page only and set the next page style to Copyright. I set the Copyright style to left page only and the next style as FrontMatterRight. I set the FrontMatterRight style to right page only and next style as FrontMatterLeft and set the FrontMatterLeft style to left page only and next style to FrontMatterRight. This puts me in a loop, and to break out of the loop I insert a manual page break and check the option to change the style. I also set the FrontMatter styles to use lower case roman numerals for page numbering and I can change the page numbering at the same time as I break out of the loop with the insert manual page break. I find this necessary because I set my margins on right pages to have a larger margin on the left and on left pages to have a larger margin on the right. This is for binding purposes. Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Creating an Index
Could someone please point me to documentation that will explain how to create and maintain an index? Thanks. Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Modifying Styles
I was beginning to think I was going crazy. I tried to modify 2 page styles in three different documents so that I could copy from one to the other without destroying the format. After several attempts, I was still getting a different format when I copied from one file to another. It turns out that if you don't save the document, the changes to the style are also not saved. The odd part of this is that it is possible to close the file with no prompt for saving changes. Now if I make a change to the text of a document, then try to close the file, I will get a prompt to either save or discard my changes, but I got no such prompt after changing styles with no change to the text. Even more odd is that the save option is greyed out (inactive) unless a change has been made and it is not greyed out after changing a style even without changing text. Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document
On 3/25/2014 12:19 PM, Toki wrote: On 3/24/2014 5:27 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm wondering if there is a way to define a field as the first word on the page and the last word on the page (like in a dictionary). In the last decade, there have been roughly a dozen requests to various mailing lists for a feature along those lines. Usually, but not always, it is related to dictionary construction. The workarounds I'm aware of, have placed either the first word of the first new paragraph, or the first word of the last paragraph of the previous page, in the page header. The only way I see possible to do this is to have a separate style for each page of the book. Otherwise, every header of every page within a particular style always has the same text and formatting. If you change it on a succeeding page, all previous pages are also changed as long as they are governed by the same page style. Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Documents, Office Suites, and the Underwood
On 3/25/2014 1:55 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I imagine that there are, indeed, legitimate reasons why someone would want to control a master document through the sub-documents, but I would strongly suggest that before going that route, the user completely learns how to use the master documents the way they were designed. In the process, they just might find what they're looking for. I can't tell you the number of times I have found myself using LyX or Atlantis, or some other program because I believed it couldn't be done with LO. Then after a little self-education, I find that it, indeed, *can* be done with LO, and I just wasted a lot of time using another program. My larger point, to which I still hold, is that far too many people do not take full advantage of their computers. Now, you might say this is a matter of personal preference, and so it is. But, in my profession (law), if a client is paying his lawyer $200.00/hour to write a legal brief, he'll save money if the lawyer learns how to fully use templates and styles. I've watched lawyers spend hours (at $200 a crack) typing a table of authorities, when MS Word or WordPerfect can automatically generate one in minutes. So, in *some* instances, our personal preferences *can* affect other people. And, my second point was that people continue to use less effective methods because office suites continue to make them available in their attempts to be one size fits all programs. While I agree it is necessary for them to remain marketable, I think it is unfortunate. I admit that I, too, grew up using a typewriter and was an IBM mainframe programmer, and as such could not really see any need to use styles. Then I got involved in constructing documents by collaborating with co-authors located in various locations. This gave rise to the use of master documents and showed me the error of my ways. I also admit that even though I use page styles in my master document creation, I've never been able to understand how to use the paragraph and character styles and suspect that this might be limiting my formatting ability in LO. I tried to define a paragraph style but had no luck. How would you define a paragraph style to handle a dictionary entry such as this: *canuscere*/v.t./ to know, to be familiar with. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document
On 3/25/2014 3:34 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 3/25/2014 3:38 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: The only way I see possible to do this is to have a separate style for each page of the book. Otherwise, every header of every page within a particular style always has the same text and formatting. If you change it on a succeeding page, all previous pages are also changed as long as they are governed by the same page style. Dale Erwin Not if there could be a field defined as the first (or last) word on the page. You would insert the appropriate Field Name in the header, and then the actual text would change from page to page without a need for a new style. That's what fields do, like page numbers. Virgil Yes, but there is more to it than just the first word and the last word. The first word is straightforward enough, except that sometimes it might consist of more than just one word. But the last word does not refer to the actual last word on the page, but the last headword of a dictionary entry which also might sometimes consist of more than one word. But it's moot since there are no such fields available. Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Documents, Office Suites, and the Underwood
On 3/25/2014 2:55 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 3/25/2014 1:55 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I imagine that there are, indeed, legitimate reasons why someone would want to control a master document through the sub-documents, but I would strongly suggest that before going that route, the user completely learns how to use the master documents the way they were designed. In the process, they just might find what they're looking for. I can't tell you the number of times I have found myself using LyX or Atlantis, or some other program because I believed it couldn't be done with LO. Then after a little self-education, I find that it, indeed, *can* be done with LO, and I just wasted a lot of time using another program. My larger point, to which I still hold, is that far too many people do not take full advantage of their computers. Now, you might say this is a matter of personal preference, and so it is. But, in my profession (law), if a client is paying his lawyer $200.00/hour to write a legal brief, he'll save money if the lawyer learns how to fully use templates and styles. I've watched lawyers spend hours (at $200 a crack) typing a table of authorities, when MS Word or WordPerfect can automatically generate one in minutes. So, in *some* instances, our personal preferences *can* affect other people. And, my second point was that people continue to use less effective methods because office suites continue to make them available in their attempts to be one size fits all programs. While I agree it is necessary for them to remain marketable, I think it is unfortunate. I admit that I, too, grew up using a typewriter and was an IBM mainframe programmer, and as such could not really see any need to use styles. Then I got involved in constructing documents by collaborating with co-authors located in various locations. This gave rise to the use of master documents and showed me the error of my ways. I also admit that even though I use page styles in my master document creation, I've never been able to understand how to use the paragraph and character styles and suspect that this might be limiting my formatting ability in LO. I tried to define a paragraph style but had no luck. How would you define a paragraph style to handle a dictionary entry such as this: *canuscere*/v.t./ to know, to be familiar with. I see my formatting was lost on that example. The headword canuscere would be in 11 pt. boldface, while the rest of the line would be in 9 pt. normal, except that the v.t. would be italicized. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document
On 3/24/2014 2:51 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Is it possible to completely disable all the styles in a master document so that the ones from the sub-document do remain untouched? Regards from Tom :) That should not be necessary if you follow the instructions for creating a master document. First you create a template which has all the styles defined in it. Then the master document and all subdocuments are created from this template. The only problem is that if changes to any style becomes necessary, I've not found any way to make the changes in one place and have them take effect in all files which were alreated created before the changes were made. Up to now, I've had to make such changes in the template as well as in each file which has already been created from the template. On 24 March 2014 09:31, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) Arrgh, that approach sounds like it might be worth creating a new master document and then 1. import the existing master document into that (in the way Cley described) 2. go into styles and modify the important ones to rename them 3. use Cley's advice to import the styles from the first sub-document 4. again rename the important changed styles 5 repeat 34 for each sub-document This almost certainly wont be perfect first time so don't aim to do to much or be too perfect, just treat it as a test-run to find out which styles need to be renamed. Regards from Tom :) On 24 March 2014 07:53, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-22 21:04 GMT+01:00 Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org: Is there some reason why the master document does not render the sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately? One possibility is that there is a style conflict/override. Master document's styles override sub-document's. If you have the same stule name in both the master document and the sub document, you will see the master document's version only. This is usually a neat feature (you can produce various output style for the same sub-document), but might be a bit confusing. Even more confusing is that this include page styles too, and that point is easily overlooked. If you simply want all styles in the master document to be the same as in a sub-document, you can try this: open the master document, open the format list if not already open. In the style and format toolbar (or sidebar), there is a button in the top-right corner (probably called new style from selection in english). Click it, and select load styles, then from a file, then select one of your sub-document. These step should replace all styles in the master document with the one in the sub-document. If this does fix your issue, remember to change only styles in the master document to keep all of them in sync. Of course, if that's not the issue at hand, feel free to dismiss my little rant :) -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Master Document
Using LibreOffice 4.1.5 on Win 7 home premium: I have a master document with 50 sub-documents. The problem I am having is that the sub-documents are not rendered the same way when opened separately as when opened in the master document. This is a bilingual dictionary with an English-Neapolitan section and a Neapolitan-English section. Each letter of each section is contained in its own sub-document. For each letter, at the top of the page, on left (even numbered) pages, there appears the first word on the page, left-justified, in slightly larger font, and on right (odd numbered) pages, the last word on the page, right-justified and in slightly larger font. This cannot be accomplished using headers since it must be different on each page. Well, I suppose it could be accomplished using headers but it would require a separate style for every page in the nearly 400 page book. Consequently, I have used the first line on each page for this purpose with the regular text pushed down and beginning on the fourth line. This has a very aesthetically pleasing appearance in the sub-documents, but in the master document the line spacing is obviously not rendered in the same way so that on some pages in the master document, the first line will be what was the last line in the previous page of the sub-document, pushing the headline word down... and obviously unusable. Is there some reason why the master document does not render the sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately? Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mysterious foreign key integrity constraint violation
You could resolve this with a foreign key in the Products table (would
require a new field) in which you store the primary key of the
applicable row in the suppliers table. This way one supplier could
supply more than one product. However, this would not cover the case
where one product can be supplied by more than one supplier. For that
you would need a third table just to handle the many-to-many relationship.
On 12/30/2013 6:39 PM, Larry Evans wrote:
I've 2 tables:
Table:Products with ProductName as primary key.
ProductName Inventory
--- -
product1 100
product2 200
Table:Suppliers with SupplierName as primary key.
SupplierName PhoneNumber
---
supplier1 111-
supplier2 222-
when I attempt to create a relationship:
SupplierSuppliesProduct
between them, using the ToolsRelationship menu selection,
I get a Relation Design window with
both Tables and their fields displayed in the upper left.
In that window, I select the InsertNew Relation, menu item
resulting in a Relations window with:
Tables Involved
Products Suppliers
Fields Involved
Products Suppliers
-
[OK] [Cancel] [Help]
I enter ProductName under the Products column
and SupplierName under the Suppliers column, then press
the OK button, resulting in an error window containing
error message:
SQL Status: 23000
Error code: -177
Integrity constraint violation -no parent
product1, table: Products in statement
[ALTER TABLE Products ADD FOREIGN KEY
(ProductName) REFERENCES Suppliers
(SupplierName)]
Googling sql foreign key got hit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_key#Defining_foreign_keys
which contained:
a foreign key is a field (or collection of fields) in one table
that uniquely identifies a row of another table.
which is exactly what I want. That hit also contained:
ALTER TABLE TABLE identifier
ADD [ CONSTRAINT CONSTRAINT identifier ]
FOREIGN KEY ( COLUMN expressionexpression}... )
REFERENCES TABLE identifier [ ( COLUMN expression {, COLUMN
expression}... ) ]
[ ON UPDATE referential action ]
[ ON DELETE referential action ]
which contains some of the same key words as the error message.
However, it doesn't help with the error message because I'm
not trying to alter the Products table, as the error message
suggests, I'm trying to create a new table, SupplierSuppliesProduct,
containing a relationship between two already existing tables. The
new table would look something like:
Table: SupplierSuppliesProduct
with primary keys SupplierName,ProductName
showing which Supplier supplies which Product.
How should I do that?
TiA.
-regards,
Larry
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: saving documents written in Thai
On 12/15/2013 10:16 AM, CVAlkan wrote: Dale: To type and save documents in both Thai and English, which I do quite successfully with LibreOffice and several other products, you need to understand a few things that aren't at all obvious from the documentation. At the end, I'll suggest an easy way to handle multi-lingual documents. Since your difficulty is with LibreOffice Writer, let's start there. and look at a couple things: Open a new blank document. First, go to Format | Character and take a look at the Font tab. In the top section, titled Western text font you will see the font that is currently active. The next two sections (Asian text font and CTL font) are key to understand what's going on. If your base font (the one listed in the top section) is NOT a Unicode font, or if it is a Unicode font that doesn't contain Thai characters, you will see the font that LibreOffice - in a not always successful attempt to be helpful - uses as substitutes when you type in a particular character. What happens, therefore, is that Libre Writer gives you the impression that all is wonderful even though it is doing substitutions behind your back. In itself a good thing, but sometimes leads to confusion. It also isn't very clear that Asian text font is NOT what you use for your Thai substitutions. Aside from the fact that Thai is actually an Indo-European language, the Asian text font section seems to be only applicable to languages that use ideographs (i.e. little pictures) even if they have alphabetic characters. It also relates to languages that are written vertically, although I'm not too sure about that as I don't speak Chinese, Korean, Japanese and similar languages. Now look at the CTL font section. What you want to do is to pick a font that you know supports Thai, and choose it in the CTL font section as a substitute. The font is listed first, then the size stuff, and then under Language, you would choose Thai to indicate which group of characters within the font are to be used. A CTL font is what's used for substitutions when you are using an Input Method to type on the keyboard. Since there are several of these in use it's hard to tell you anything specific, but you've probably already solved that, since I presume you do some typing in English, hit some switch command, type a little Thai, then use the switch command to get back to English. By the way, the default you will often see under CTL font is one of the Hindi fonts (I presume because of Thai's ancient relation to Indian languages) - in Ubuntu, for instance, it is almost always Lohit Hindi - a font that is part of the Ubuntu installation. I used Format | Character as an example to make the explanation more clear; obviously there are similar settings in various Paragraph and Style settings as well, and they all work the same. BUT - if you want to make things really simple, you could simply use a font that has both English and Thai characters present, so no substitutions need to take place. Unfortunately there isn't a great variety of really good looking fonts (I'll list some below), but the advantage is that there are no substitutions, and the font sizes are matched more closely than would be the case with two different fonts. This is a matter of taste of course, particularly with balancing Thai and English, since Thai nees room above and below the characters for the various superscript and subscript vowels, tone marks, and such things. (these same issues are not unique to Thai of course - you'll run into them in both Hebrew and Arabic for instance). So, here are my (so far) favorite combination fonts for easily mixing Thai and English in the same document: Free Serif (Serif) Gentium Basic (Serif) xxx Gentium Book (Serif) xxx Norasi (Serif) Kinnari (Serif) Linux Libertine (developed for Linux, but works in Win) Linux Biolinium (ditto) Sawasdee (go figure...) (light Sans Serif) Droid Sans Thai (Sans Serif) Garuda (Sans Serif) Loma (Sans Serif) Umpush (Sans Serif) Waree (Sans Serif) Purisa (informal handwriting style) Tlwg Typist (mono typewriter) Obviously if there are others who use both Thai and English, I'd be interested in any of your favorite fonts. As for moving your document to other machines, Libre Office now has the ability in some versions to embed the fonts in the document file itself, but I'm not sure if all versions and all platforms can utilize the embedded fonts yet. (can anyone help here???) I hope this helps you in your search. -- Frank Many thanks for your reply. At last someone who knows what he's talking about. I don't have all those fonts available, but I do have some and I can now save documents and reopen them intact. I certainly do appreciate this information. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how
[libreoffice-users] saving documents written in Thai
Recently, I've been trying to learn Thai and have set up an alternate Thai keyboard layout. All works pretty well until I try to save a document written in Thai. It seems to save OK, but when I open it later, all the Thai text is represented by small rectangles... i.e. garbage. What is the secret to saving documents in Thai? I think it has something to do with unicode, but I have no idea how to deal with it. Any help would be appreciated. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] saving documents written in Thai
On 12/14/2013 10:35 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: Recently, I've been trying to learn Thai and have set up an alternate Thai keyboard layout. All works pretty well until I try to save a document written in Thai. It seems to save OK, but when I open it later, all the Thai text is represented by small rectangles... i.e. garbage. What is the secret to saving documents in Thai? I think it has something to do with unicode, but I have no idea how to deal with it. Any help would be appreciated. I forgot to mention I am using LO 4.1.3.2 on Win 7. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] saving documents written in Thai
On 12/14/2013 11:28 AM, Doug wrote: On 12/14/2013 11:14 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 12/14/2013 10:35 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: Recently, I've been trying to learn Thai and have set up an alternate Thai keyboard layout. All works pretty well until I try to save a document written in Thai. It seems to save OK, but when I open it later, all the Thai text is represented by small rectangles... i.e. garbage. What is the secret to saving documents in Thai? I think it has something to do with unicode, but I have no idea how to deal with it. Any help would be appreciated. I forgot to mention I am using LO 4.1.3.2 on Win 7. Do you have Thai fonts in your font directory? I don't know where you get them, but that's what you need. --doug Seems to me that without Thai fonts I could not type text into the document at all. I can type text into the document using Lucinda console font which comes with Win7. The only problem is that after saving the document I can't retrieve it with the text intact. I found a page through google on setting up a Thai keyboard and it said that win7 comes with several Thai fonts. Another one mentioned is Malaga and the characters appear just fine in the document. I can even print them, I just can't recover them after saving. I have the same problem in Notepad, but in Notepad I get a warning that says: This file contains characters in Unicode format which will be lost if you save this file as an ANSI encoded text file. To keep the Unicode information, click Cancel below and then select one of the Unicode options from the Encoding drop down list, Continue? Problem is I can't find any Encoding drop down list. In LO, however, there is no such warning. It appears to have been successfully saved until I open it later and find garbage. OK, I just found the Encoding drop down list in the save dialog, so I can now save documents in Notepad using the same Lucinda console font. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] saving documents written in Thai
On 12/14/2013 11:28 AM, Doug wrote: On 12/14/2013 11:14 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 12/14/2013 10:35 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: Recently, I've been trying to learn Thai and have set up an alternate Thai keyboard layout. All works pretty well until I try to save a document written in Thai. It seems to save OK, but when I open it later, all the Thai text is represented by small rectangles... i.e. garbage. What is the secret to saving documents in Thai? I think it has something to do with unicode, but I have no idea how to deal with it. Any help would be appreciated. I forgot to mention I am using LO 4.1.3.2 on Win 7. Do you have Thai fonts in your font directory? I don't know where you get them, but that's what you need. --doug No, it is not a font problem. There are several Thai-capable fonts that come with Win 7. One of them is Lucinda console. The problem is that the Thai characters are Unicode while the latin characters are ANSI. I have the same problem saving documents written in Thai on Notepad if I save them with ANSI encoding. However, if I choose one of the Unicode options from the encoding drop box, the document is saved perfectly well, using the same font that I use for Thai in LO, Lucinda console. Unfortunately, LO gives no such option. This is definitely a defect in LO. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/22/2013 1:34 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Ruth Ann wrote: OT maybe, but does anyone know the name for @ ? Something I have been trying to discover for years :-) Ruth Ann, Cincinnati, OH USA It depends who you ask, and in what language ;o) Unicode calls it commercial at. The article about it on Wikipedia is titled At sign, and mentions some other names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign Mark. In Spanish, at least in Peruvian Spanish, it is called aroba (or maybe it's arroba). -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey
On 11/10/2013 1:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, As there were some exchanges about the survey here and as I advertised it on this mailing list as well, I thought you might be interested by my initial analysis: http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2013/11/10/users-the-final-frontier/ Thank you for your participation! I'm glad you think it was such a great success. I personally feel you would have a much larger response had the questionnaire been better formulated. So many of the questions' multiple choice answers had no choice which reflected my situation/experience. After a while I decided not to continue with it and discarded it because it was obvious that it would not have reflected my situation/experience (which I presume was the goal). I suppose it is possible that for some questions there are only a few possible answers, but for most, the choice of other should be made available, or possibly even a blank line to fill in. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites instead of...
If everyone knows he's a troll why do so many bother responding in such great lengths. Why bother feeding the troll. Everyone knows this, but still so many feel obligated to defend. If you don't feed trolls, they go away. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Wordstar
On 11/6/2013 12:59 PM, Urmas wrote: James Knott: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code Quote: Microsoft disabled the AARD code for the final release of Windows 3.1 It's a myth. But they didn't remove it and it could always be reenabled by changing a single byte of machine code. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria
On 11/2/2013 12:46 AM, Urmas wrote: Les Howell: Just a simple question, Do you know who originally designed Microsoft Office? Microsoft mostly. BS!!! The only thing MS ever developed from scratch without stealing anything was Bob. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project
On 11/1/2013 2:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 11/1/13 7:04 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you for choosing and using LibreOffice! My name is Charles-H. Schulz and I'm one of the co-founders of the Document Foundation. Many people who contribute to the LibreOffice project discussed the need for us to understand how we could enroll regular users (whatever that means) to the LibreOffice project. You obviously know that LibreOffice is Free Software and that it comes with rights and freedoms for you. But besides that LibreOffice is a software development project populated by a community of people who contribute their time and skills (and many skills are required, not just the technical ones!) on a volunteer or on a paid basis. But when we come to think of it, these people started somewhere, one day, to contribute, and while they all have their own reasons, we (the people in charge of marketing) thought that everybody has the ability to contribute. The question is: how can we make it 1)interesting 2) accessible 3)easy to understand what the various tasks are 4)possible to spread the word about it? ... And this is where you come in the picture. We worked on a short survey that's anonymous (we don't require your name nor your email) and we would really like it if you could take a few minutes of your time to answer these questions. As you will see they are all about understanding how we could include users of LibreOffice and turn them into contributors. The survey is here: https://survey.documentfoundation.org/index.php/574531/lang-en We hope you're having a great time and thank you again for using LibreOffice! Best regards, I went to do the survey, didn't complete it. From going through the pages, too many places didn't allow me to provide feedback on my interests as well as concerns before becoming involved. On a couple of pages, I would like to have selected more than one. IMO, surveys such as this are essentially slanted, and could give you the answers you want to hear, not the ones you should hear. Lastly, after clicking the Exit and Clear survey button, in the following window, the close this window button did not work, even in Safe Mode for Firefox. I agree about the survey. The multiple-choice type answers did not reflect my answers. However, I had no trouble closing the window without completing the survey. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Automatic Capitalization of First Word
On 9/8/2013 9:54 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It looks like you are not yet fully subscribed. The confirmation email often goes into junk or spam folders if it can't be found in your inbox. Sorry about that! Regards from Tom :) I think I'm subscribed now. The confirmation mail finally arrived, and today I received over 30 messages from the list. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Publishing a Dictionary
I have compiled a bilingual dictionary and am having lots of trouble trying to format it in LO Writer as well as in AOO Writer. What I want to accomplish is having a field at the top of the page, left justified on left pages (even numbered) and right justified on right pages (odd numbered). On left pages, this field would contain the first word on that page and on right pages, this field would contain the last word on that page. This is quite common for dictionaries of all types. Unfortunately, the header cannot be used for this short of having a separate style for every page in the book (over 300). I have also tried putting these search words on the first text line of the page and then beginning the text two or three lines below that. Then, if any modification results in an additional line, every subsequent page must be modified. Maybe I'm missing something. If anyone knows of a solution to this, I would certainly appreciate knowing about it. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Automatic Capitalization of First Word
I know I have done this before, but I can't remember now where I found the setting. I would like to disable the capitalization of the first word in a sentence or paragraph. I am not sure if I am subscribed to this list. I send an empty message to users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org but I never received the confirmation mail. -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
