Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice
I had never heard of the paste special feature, so I just tried it. I started with an .rtf file that LO didn't like. I selected the entire file with Ctrl-A, copied it (Ctrl-C) and then pasted it special back onto itself as unformatted text. It worked just as well as copying to a text editor. Kinda slick actually. But, with either method, I lost the contents of my footnotes. To date, I haven't found a way with LO to convert formatted text to plain unformatted text and keep footnotes. Virgil Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice At 18:14 21/12/2012 -0600, Anne Noname wrote: If you merely copy paste over the initial file, then the messed-up formatting may still exist; That's why that wasn't my suggestion! in order to be sure of eliminating whatever might be causing the 'kink', the document needs to be fresh ;-) That's not true. But in any case, you are presumably suggesting that a fresh document would anyway be necessary with your round-the-houses route via other software. Again, you are very welcome to go the long way around if you prefer. You will not be the only person to do so. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice
This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted file that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text file and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I wanted. There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your content, such as footnotes. Good luck. Virgil -Original Message- From: lordmax tdf Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice Hi all I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version I'm working on many ebook in epub format. Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess with styles, fonts, etc Really a chaos. I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title. In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or more blank lines all in header1 style I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice forum but I haven't find any solutions. Can you help me? Thanks -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Ami l'arte e vuoi arredare casa con stile? Su MisterCupido.com puoi acquistare le RIPRODUZIONI DEI QUADRI di: Van Gogh, Monet, Klimt, Modigliani, Cezanne, Hayez, Michelangelo, Raffaello, ecc Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=12386d=20-12 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] record changes weakness compared to m$
In the legal field, the track changes feature is used a lot. Typically, one lawyer will draft a document, and send it off to another for revision. The document will go back and forth several times, with each lawyer adding his own changes. The track changes feature is most important. It actually works quite well, with each lawyer accepting or rejecting the changes of the previous lawyer before adding his own. I never had any problems using this feature in Word. Sad to say, in my legal work, I long ago gave up trying to share documents between Word and OOo or LO. There are too many small differences in the way the programs work (page styles vs. section breaks for example), that files end up being a mess when translated back and forth between the two. As somewhat of a geek, I found it easier for me to simply defer to what my counterpart was using. I had Word, Wordperfect, and OOo all on my system and I used each depending on who my recipient was going to be. Now that I'm semi-retired, most of my writing is recreational and what I do professionally, I generally don't have to share, so I can be more free to use whatever I want. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO crashes when using File - Wizard
You might find yourself being a Troll's lunch! Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:14 AM To: rost52 ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO crashes when using File - Wizard Hi :) Avoid Wizards where possible. You never know what adventures lay ahead if you tangle with them. Regards from Tom :) From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2012, 7:02 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO crashes when using File - Wizard Ups, it seems I am lucky. Exactly the same version on my computer does all the wizards. As I never use them I made a test. No problem. I am no very curious about the cause of your problem On 12/15/2012 3:20 PM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: Goodafternoon (2012/11/21 17:30), Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: Windows XP Pro I just installed the very latest version of LO ( 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff)) and noticed, that LO crashes EVERY time I try to use File - Wizard - whatever (means ANY function under Wizard) This happens ONLY on my office computer WHAT am I supposed to be looking for / changing? Thank you. Today, I uninstalled LO, deleted old LO folders, restarted the computer and installed the newest version (3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff). Java is set and running, The ext. (you know what) thing should cause no problem, since the same functions are installed in my home computer and there DO NOT cause any trouble. Still, LO crashes 100% when using ANY of the wizard functions. Is there anything else I can try? Thank you Thomas -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. What harm can it do to my system? Right now, I have LO 3.5.7, AOO 3.4.1 and the LO 4 Beta. I have seen no problems at all. All you've told me is that it shouldn't be done and that you don't do it. Forgive me for being dense, but I still don't know why? Virgil -Original Message- From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:52 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites On 12/10/2012 10:25 PM, VA wrote: do not use both LO and AOO on the same system. Why not? Virgil 1 - I do not use AOO [or OOo before AOO came out] since I started using LO almost 2 years ago. 2 - I do not think it is wise to use two packages that are both forks from the original OOo code base, on the same system. Yes there are procedures you can do to have both packages installed on the same system, just like you can have two versions of LO installed on the same system. Just because you can do something does not mean it is something that you should do. 3 - 1 and 2 are reasons enough. Whether or not there are people who do not believe the same way that I do, this is what I believe. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not upset about having to delete the (c) to copyright symbol option in my autocorrect feature. I appreciate that many people prefer this behavior. I get it that developers have to make choices and they make those choices on the basis of what a majority of users want. That much I get. What I don't like is having to do it twice because neither AOO nor LO has all the features I need to get my work done, and that is because, for whatever reasons, the developers of the two office suites either can't or won't combine their efforts. Virgil -Original Message- From: NoOp Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:42 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites On 12/10/2012 02:28 PM, VA wrote: ... Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. ... ... I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
I'm obviously not communicating very well. I haven't had any conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage that leads to a crash or data loss from running all three programs, so I currently have no reason to file any bug reports. So, again, my question. Why is it not advisable to run LO and AOO on the same system? What harm does it do to my system? Virgil -Original Message- From: Fabian Rodriguez Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:30 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-12-11 07:25 AM, VA a écrit : I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. What harm can it do to my system? Right now, I have LO 3.5.7, AOO 3.4.1 and the LO 4 Beta. I have seen no problems at all. All you've told me is that it shouldn't be done and that you don't do it. Forgive me for being dense, but I still don't know why? Virgil I think you should. If you find a conflict between configuration profiles or during normal usage that leads to a crash or data loss, it would be appreciated if you can file a bug on the three versions you run so they can be adjusted to better coexist. Keep in mind your use case is specific enough that there may not be significant effort to getting it fixed, though. Cheers, Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDHJ3EACgkQfUcTXFrypNUBBACfbTrAdhWi47hQ7ObxQXl3s1sO MAcAn2OYaaG6BJqOhc9UBDjfCK+n/LPW =vPp0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
I may be way out of line here, but I’m sending this post to the user lists for both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice. I have both programs on my computer and regularly use both. Like many of you out there, I have subscribed to both user lists. I don’t know the full history behind the Libre/Oracle split, but from what I have read on various forums and lists, there is considerable emotional pain resulting from the split. The result is two different FOSS office suites. Some have pleaded for the two to combine forces. Others have noted that the competition is good for the end user as it results in more rapid development of improvements to both suites. I see both sides, but I’d like to point out one thing I have noticed in my own use of the two programs. Some computer programs are what I would call “load and use.” Programs like web browsers and mail clients, etc., require little to no configuration or customization. One can simply do productive use without much thought. I can easily bounce back and forth between Internet Explorer and Firefox, Live Mail and Thunderbird. Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. While it’s not essential, I tend to customize my toolbars and have created helpful macros. Effectively using an office suite requires a commitment akin to a marriage. For this reason, bouncing back and forth between two suites is counterproductive. I find myself importing and exporting settings, styles, and templates between the two programs rather than simply doing my work. Why do I put up with this inconvenience? Because each program has essential virtues over the other. For example, if I need to properly hyphenate my US English, I use LibreOffice as (to date), OpenOffice fails to properly hyphenate US English. But, if I need to create mailing lists, as I just did for Christmas cards, I use OpenOffice as its Avery 5160 template is more properly aligned than that found in LibreOffice. LibreOffice remembers my hierarchical stylelist setting, whereas OpenOffice does not, but OpenOffice more effectively supports the advanced Graphite features of the Linux Libertine font. So, depending on my specific needs, I bounce back and forth. I’m sure many would suggest that I help out by reporting bugs. I have done so, but even I get lost keeping track of the bugs of each program that I am most interested in following. I suspect this situation will only get worse as each program develops features that will be lacking in the other. And, while I’m not a developer, my guess is that both programs are so complex that keeping up with each other will become an increasingly elusive effort. And, the time will come when decisions will be made NOT to implement features found in the other program. I truly like the motivation generated with competition, and sometimes having multiple programs on my computer to meet specialized needs can be helpful. But, in the world of office suites, where user commitment is essential to effective use, it would be very helpful to us end users if TDF and Apache could somehow overcome their differences and join forces to give us one glorious office suites rather than two almost glorious office suites. These are just my thoughts. I’d be curious as to how many others are using both programs because of advantages of each over the other. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
Tom, Thanks for the tip. But, don't I run the risk of having one or both programs corrupting my user configuration? Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:40 PM To: RODRIGUEZ FONSECA JORGE ALBERTO ; VA Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites Hi :) Perhaps try this in either Office Suite Tools - Options - Paths and set them both to read the same folders. That way all your settings should be the same regardless of which program you happen to have open at the time. I'm considering using that sort of approach to make the GnuLinux side of dual boots read the same settings as the WIndows side but i have a lot of other things to figure out first. Regards from Tom :) From: RODRIGUEZ FONSECA JORGE ALBERTO jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com To: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 10 December 2012, 22:53 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites +1 agree - Mensaje original - De: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Para: users@global.libreoffice.org Enviados: Lunes, 10 de Diciembre 2012 16:28:35 Asunto: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites I may be way out of line here, but I’m sending this post to the user lists for both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice. I have both programs on my computer and regularly use both. Like many of you out there, I have subscribed to both user lists. I don’t know the full history behind the Libre/Oracle split, but from what I have read on various forums and lists, there is considerable emotional pain resulting from the split. The result is two different FOSS office suites. Some have pleaded for the two to combine forces. Others have noted that the competition is good for the end user as it results in more rapid development of improvements to both suites. I see both sides, but I’d like to point out one thing I have noticed in my own use of the two programs. Some computer programs are what I would call “load and use.” Programs like web browsers and mail clients, etc., require little to no configuration or customization. One can simply do productive use without much thought. I can easily bounce back and forth between Internet Explorer and Firefox, Live Mail and Thunderbird. Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. While it’s not essential, I tend to customize my toolbars and have created helpful macros. Effectively using an office suite requires a commitment akin to a marriage. For this reason, bouncing back and forth between two suites is counterproductive. I find myself importing and exporting settings, styles, and templates between the two programs rather than simply doing my work. Why do I put up with this inconvenience? Because each program has essential virtues over the other. For example, if I need to properly hyphenate my US English, I use LibreOffice as (to date), OpenOffice fails to properly hyphenate US English. But, if I need to create mailing lists, as I just did for Christmas cards, I use OpenOffice as its Avery 5160 template is more properly aligned than that found in LibreOffice. LibreOffice remembers my hierarchical stylelist setting, whereas OpenOffice does not, but OpenOffice more effectively supports the advanced Graphite features of the Linux Libertine font. So, depending on my specific needs, I bounce back and forth. I’m sure many would suggest that I help out by reporting bugs. I have done so, but even I get lost keeping track of the bugs of each program that I am most interested in following. I suspect this situation will only get worse as each program develops features that will be lacking in the other. And, while I’m not a developer, my guess is that both programs are so complex that keeping up with each other will become an increasingly elusive effort. And, the time will come when decisions will be made NOT to implement features found in the other program. I truly like the motivation generated with competition, and sometimes having multiple programs on my computer to meet specialized needs can be helpful. But, in the world of office suites, where user commitment is essential to effective use, it would be very helpful to us end users if TDF and Apache could somehow overcome their differences and join forces to give us one glorious office suites rather than two almost glorious office suites. These are just my thoughts. I’d be curious as to how many others are using both programs because of advantages of each over the other. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
Tom, I absolutely agree. It never occurred to me to use the Paths function to point both programs to the same template folder. It’s a great idea. I was only concerned about corruption as I’ve seen that issue come up so many times on both LO and AOO user lists, although I’ve never had the problem with mine before. Virgil From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:09 PM To: VA ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites Hi :) It might be easier to keep track of your back-ups if you are only backing up 1 folder rather than 2. Regards from Tom :) -- From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 0:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites Tom, Thanks for the tip. But, don't I run the risk of having one or both programs corrupting my user configuration? Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:40 PM To: RODRIGUEZ FONSECA JORGE ALBERTO ; VA Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites Hi :) Perhaps try this in either Office Suite Tools - Options - Paths and set them both to read the same folders. That way all your settings should be the same regardless of which program you happen to have open at the time. I'm considering using that sort of approach to make the GnuLinux side of dual boots read the same settings as the WIndows side but i have a lot of other things to figure out first. Regards from Tom :) From: RODRIGUEZ FONSECA JORGE ALBERTO jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com To: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 10 December 2012, 22:53 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites +1 agree - Mensaje original - De: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Para: users@global.libreoffice.org Enviados: Lunes, 10 de Diciembre 2012 16:28:35 Asunto: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites I may be way out of line here, but I’m sending this post to the user lists for both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice. I have both programs on my computer and regularly use both. Like many of you out there, I have subscribed to both user lists. I don’t know the full history behind the Libre/Oracle split, but from what I have read on various forums and lists, there is considerable emotional pain resulting from the split. The result is two different FOSS office suites. Some have pleaded for the two to combine forces. Others have noted that the competition is good for the end user as it results in more rapid development of improvements to both suites. I see both sides, but I’d like to point out one thing I have noticed in my own use of the two programs. Some computer programs are what I would call “load and use.” Programs like web browsers and mail clients, etc., require little to no configuration or customization. One can simply do productive use without much thought. I can easily bounce back and forth between Internet Explorer and Firefox, Live Mail and Thunderbird. Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. While it’s not essential, I tend to customize my toolbars and have created helpful macros. Effectively using an office suite requires a commitment akin to a marriage. For this reason, bouncing back and forth between two suites is counterproductive. I find myself importing and exporting settings, styles, and templates between the two programs rather than simply doing my work. Why do I put up with this inconvenience? Because each program has essential virtues over the other. For example, if I need to properly hyphenate my US English, I use LibreOffice as (to date), OpenOffice fails to properly hyphenate US English. But, if I need to create mailing lists, as I just did for Christmas cards, I use OpenOffice as its Avery 5160 template is more properly aligned than that found in LibreOffice. LibreOffice remembers my hierarchical stylelist setting, whereas OpenOffice does not, but OpenOffice more effectively supports the advanced Graphite features of the Linux Libertine font. So, depending on my specific needs, I bounce back and forth. I’m sure many would suggest that I help out by reporting bugs. I have done so, but even I get lost keeping track of the bugs of each program that I am most interested in following. I suspect this situation will only get worse as each program develops features that will be lacking
Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites
do not use both LO and AOO on the same system. Why not? Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
This is utterly maddening. Based on Pedro's post, I ran a simple test. I created a document in Word (.docx) and an identical document in LibO (.odt). I saved them both and then extracted their contents using 7-zip Manager. I was amazed at how similar the two document contents were, and yet how different. Neither document had any of the binary smilie faces I've come to expect by opening a .doc document in a text editor. All of the individual files contained formatting codes in simple text. And, yet... The maddening part is how two programs can create the same type of documents (xml files saved in a zipped format) and yet remain so completely different. I found similar results when I tried saving .rtf files with different word processors. They all claimed to be .rtf, and in fact, were .rtf, yet they were all different. But, MS knows how to market its products. Programs need something to set them apart from other similar programs, and office suites are getting to the point that any decent suite will be able to perform the same tasks as the others. LibO is set apart by being free (both in $ and in license restrictions). MS can't compete head to head with that model, so the only way it can set itself apart is by maintaining some uniqueness in its file format. The only reason people buy MS is because everybody else buys MS. If it fully adopted the .odt format, there would no longer be a reason for people to buy MS. Unless it had some killer feature, it would die and LibO would win. I sense that a similar future lies for either Apache OO or LibO. Right now, the two programs are very similar and use the same file format. I use both programs interchangeably, sometimes forgetting which one I have open. My guess is that, at some point, either Apache or LibO will become different enough and so clearly superior that the other will fade away. That may be the hazard of having a truly open and standard file format. It eliminates a program's ability to survive. Virgil Virgil -Original Message- From: Pedro Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:05 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice Hi Tom, all Let me be the Devil's advocate for a moment... Tom wrote MS keeps claiming that is what their new format is all about. They claimed it with Rtf which they no longer develop which fits their pattern for gradually dropping completely and they are claiming it again with their DocX and all. RTF is plain text with format codes. So it is true that you can open it even in a text editor. Even if it is discontinued, it is not encrypted. Docx is exactly the same as ODT. A Zip container which stores objects such as images, formats and the actual text in a XML file. Tom wrote Given that ODF 1.0 and 1.1 still open in LO, AOO and all the rest it looks like ODF might achieve the promise, especially given that contents written in Xml can be opened and read. The same applies to MS Office. You can always open previous MS files in a newer Office version. As explained above ODF follows the same logic as OOXML ;) In both cases you need to have some program that opens the zip container in order to have access to the XML file which contains the text. Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-libreoffice-marketing-Good-Article-for-LibreOffice-tp4020703p4021203.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article forLibreOffice
I stand corrected. Those are great examples that you have given. Virgil -Original Message- From: Mirosław Zalewski Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:14 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article forLibreOffice On 28/11/2012 at 15:55, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: That may be the hazard of having a truly open and standard file format. It eliminates a program's ability to survive. This is far from truth. Take a look at e-mail protocols: POP3 and IMAP. Do we have only two e-mail server apps and two e-mail client apps, one for each? No. We have plenty of servers and tons of clients. Take a look at XMPP messaging protocol (this is what Gmail and Facebook uses for their chats). Again: plenty of servers, tons of apps. Take a look at BitTorrent file sharing protocol. There are many clients for every platform. We have standards for HTML and CSS, yet there are at least four competing web browsers out there (although there was time when market was monopolized). This list can go on. Standard file formats are pretty much irrelevant to program's ability to survive. It's number of features, availability on certain OS, UI, branding, number translations and other things which are around standards that matters. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printed Glossy Magazines
What's a magazine? ;) Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:12 PM To: Users List at Lib O Subject: [libreoffice-users] Printed Glossy Magazines Hi :) My 'local' supermarket, part of a national and possibly international chain, used to have an isle for magazines with 1 section for IT. Out of the 16 mags there used to be 2 devoted to Linux. Sadly, last week there there was only 1 :( but a few gaps so i went in today hoping to see 2 again but still only 1 :( still some gaps. Then i noticed the sections on either side seem to have crept into the IT section so it's gone from 2/16 about Linux to about 1/10. Not quite such a bad drop as i had first feared. Then i noticed that 2 mags on the top shelf were about Android and another mag was about smart-phones with 4 sections in the mag to cover the 4 main types = they had Android as the number 1 best, then iPhone, then Windows and finally blackberry. So, half the mag about Linux, or 3/4 about unix-based platforms and only 1/4 about Windows. So that added up to 3.5/10 mags about Linux platforms!! Nearly double on a few weeks ago in a shrinking market!! Oh of the remainder of the mags several were dedicated to Photoshop and a few to iSomethings and some too generic to get down to specific OSes or even platforms. Amazing stuff!! Regards from Tom :) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
What I find maddening is that two document formats can be so similar, and yet remain so different. As Maxwell Smart would say, missed by THAT much. Virgil -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:27 PM To: 'VA' ; 'Pedro' ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice I don't understand the maddening aspect of this reaction. I suppose I don't have to. When ODF was developed at OASIS, one of the design points was to be based on the functionality of OpenOffice 1.x as it was at the time, starting from an XML format that was developed for that product. It was explicitly ruled out of scope for the format to have counterparts of Microsoft Office document features. When OOXML was developed, using the Open Packaging Conventions that were already used by Microsoft for a different project, a critical goal was to have fidelity-preserving, convertible features of legacy Microsoft Office documents. There is also a strict version that doesn't include so much of the legacy accommodation and has some better feature provisions going forward. There you have it. ODF 1.0 then ODF 1.1 and now ODF 1.2. Also, OOXML versions 1 through 3 (so far), although ODF changed more from ODF 1.1 to ODF 1.2 (because of the addition of OpenFormula) than anything that happened to OOXML since the ISO OOXML version. Neither of these are DocBook (an XML document format) or DITA or any other XML-carried document format. None of that is surprising in any technical way: XML is not a document format, it is a markup format for extending and customizing into any number of document models and schemas. XML by itself (unlike HTML, yet-another document format) doesn't establish any kind of document format whatsoever. There was an ISO working group looking into the harmonization of document formats, especially with what could make better portability among OOXML-based and ODF-based software. A recent report on the subject is rather interesting. Look at http://www.interoperability-center.com/en/dokumenten-iop-lab. The final report on Document Profiling and a White Paper on Document Interoperability are listed in the Publications sidebar. - Dennis -Original Message- From: VA [mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 06:56 To: Pedro; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice This is utterly maddening. Based on Pedro's post, I ran a simple test. I created a document in Word (.docx) and an identical document in LibO (.odt). I saved them both and then extracted their contents using 7-zip Manager. I was amazed at how similar the two document contents were, and yet how different. Neither document had any of the binary smilie faces I've come to expect by opening a .doc document in a text editor. All of the individual files contained formatting codes in simple text. And, yet... The maddening part is how two programs can create the same type of documents (xml files saved in a zipped format) and yet remain so completely different. [ ... ] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article forLibreOffice
For any document that I think I may need well into the future, I have learned to save a copy in plain ASCII text. Yes, I lose all my formatting, but I at least have a version of the text itself that can be read by any word processor or text editor. It's at least better than pen and paper. Virgil -Original Message- From: Steven Bradley Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:24 PM To: laurent alonso ; LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article forLibreOffice That is really unfortunate. In Windows/DOS, we have problems with unrecognizable characters, and characters that are part of the formatting, but not so much the difficulties you are talking about--although at least one program (the old Ashton-Tate solution known as Framework) DID have quite a mess of confusing characters in it, and scattered throughout in some sort of order, so I'm not sure if this is the same thing you mean. It is really frustrating to realize that if you had written everything by hand, you might be better off than with a computer that stores your informationI picked up some of my old grad school notes (1970's), and they were quite readable--because they were typed and annotated on PAPER. This is something that has to be fixed for the future. That's why I said that it's important that there be a single standard, and that the various regulatory authorities demand that it be so (think if we had multiple voltages and amperages, and frequencies in our electrical systems, and if DC current was used by some, AC by others--in the same country...the preservation of data is at least as important.). On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:35 AM, laurent alonso laurent.alo...@inria.frwrote: Hello Steven, Le 26 nov. 2012 à 19:43, Steven Bradley a écrit : I totally agree with all this--but in a pinch, as everyone I'm sure knows, one can open a document (most of them at least), and go back and decode it with a text processor like Notepad or Notepad++; come to think of it, I'm actually surprised that Sourceforge doesn't offer a converter for all those old documents--not to mention all the documents written on Apple II's, etc. All of us have them. I have many documents written in Wordstar, Wordperfect, and so on. As I am trying to do something similar on Sourceforge, for many archaic mac classic documents (you can look for libmwaw ) , this is not so simple : - maybe 1/3 of formats, that I see, do not store the text continuously but by blocks in order to be more efficient : for instance, they can cut the text in block which have between 128 and 256 characters and then stores block 3, block 1, block 2. Thus when you add some characters, they only need to update a small block (and sometimes split a block of 256 in two blocks ) : this includes Word v3-5, FullWrite, MacWritePro... This also means that if you read the file continuously you will read many junk part of the files which contains not relevant text. - I have 3 formats which compress text data before storing them on the disk : this includes MacWrite, MindWrite, HanMac Word ( a format which I am studying actually, ...) ; FullWrite also stores a space character with the ascii code 0 (which means that notepad will not retrieve any space characters ) - after on Mac Classic, you can have as many fonts as you want and each can have a different encoding ; this means that you must at least retrieve the fonts name, if you want to retrieve the good character ( this also means that as I found/code only a subset of the fonts encoding, I can only retrieve roman text ). -- Amicalement, Laurent. -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] apply numbering to headings styles
Sure, it's all about setting the hierarchy of your outline in the Tools/Outline Numbering dialog. There are 10 levels of outline. Just set the top level to your section numbering, select the numbering format you want and, if you want to associate it with a Paragraph Style (which I do), do that as well. It's harder for me to explain than it is to do, but I think if you play with it (with some patience) you'll get the hang of it. Virgil -Original Message- From: e-letter Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:39 AM To: VA Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] apply numbering to headings styles On 19/11/2012, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: In response to Tanstaafl and Regina, What I have done is create a bunch of paragraph styles called Outline-1, Outline-2, Outline-3, etc. In terms of Style-controlled formatting, each of these styles is identical -- single spaced with 12 point vertical space before each paragraph. Then, in the Tools/Outline Numbering dialog, I associate each outline style with a different outline level. Then within each particular level, I set the formatting parameters I want with proper numbering and paragraph indenting. Why do you need own paragraph styles for that? The predefined styles Heading 1 etc. work as well. You can adapt them easily to your own needs. Is it possible to set the counter for enumerated headings by sections? For example [section 1] heading 1 subheading 1.1 heading 2 subheading 2.1 subsubheading 2.2.1 heading 3 [section 2] heading 1 heading 2 etc. -- LO35 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Ten questions]
These questions raise an interesting design decision made by LibO. When it comes to Autocorrect, I've noticed that, by default, LibO enables all of the Autocorrect options. LibO naturally assumes that, if I type a (c), what I REALLY want is a copyright symbol. It seems to me that is the same faulty assumption that has made people so frustrated with MS Word; the software publisher decide what people want and sets the defaults accordingly. Every time I load a fresh install of LibO, the first thing I have to do is go into Autocorrect and disable nearly all of the options. I think it would make more sense for the default install to have Autocorrect disabled and allow the user to enable it as desired. Virgil -Original Message- From: Brian Barker Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:43 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Ten questions] At 15:11 20/11/2012 -0500, Charles Meyer wrote: Right now, I'd appreciate it if anyone can please share how to do the following in Writer? 1. Suppress header on the first page of a text document Use different page styles for the first and subsequent pages. Set the header only for the subsequent pages (or use an empty header on the first page). Either insert a manual page break after the first page or set the subsequent page style as the next style for the first page style. The existing First Page and Default page styles will do this for you automatically. 2. Keep a dotted line across a page without it automatically becoming a solid line Either disable the facility at Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | Apply Border or - more easily - just use Edit | Undo (or Ctrl+Z) immediately the unwanted correction occurs. 3. Change line spacing - context menu - where's that? Paragraph... | Indents Spacing | Line spacing or Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents Spacing | Line spacing, as appropriate. 4. Suppressing hyperlinks Disable at Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | URL Recognition or use Edit | Undo (or Ctrl+Z) as above. Or right-click | Remove Hyperlink. 5. Indents - where and how to change Paragraph... | Indents Spacing | Indent or Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents Spacing | Indent. 6. Turn on/off Fast Save - so document doesn't leave personal info in a document See Tools | Options... | Load/Save | General and File | Properties... | General. 7. Turn on/off the Track Changes tool Edit | Changes | Record. 8. Strike-through a word or sentence - context menu again? Character... | Font Effects | Strikethrough or Edit Paragraph Style... | Font Effects | Strikethrough. 9. Eliminating hard returns Depends on exactly what you want to do. Use $ in regular expressions in Find Replace. 10. Print file list of file names in a sub-directory Ask your operating system. 11. (The question you didn't ask) Where do I find the answers to these questions? Download the Writer Guide or study the embedded help system. Or both. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
MS must use several different methods of pushing its Office. My Sony laptop came with Win7 and a Starter version of Office. I have a stripped down version of Word and Excel. Many advanced functions are missing and I have banner ad reminders to buy the full version, but the software doesn't seem to be time bombed. I've had it for two years now and it still works. All that said, I never use it unless I need full Office compatibility, which of course is the issue that started this thread in the first place. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:15 AM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? Don Myers wrote: I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for Windows. So we both do pay for it with new computer. And lets not forget the time bombed versions of Office that's included with many new computers. People start using it, and then, after a while, find they can't work with their own documents unless they pay for Office. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
The truly maddening part is that, if more people used LibO, then the .ODT format would become standard and MS would be relegated to irrelevance. So, Office wins because corporations buy it, making its file format standard, which forces the rest of us to conform. It's absolutely crazy. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tanstaafl Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:32 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/11/19 Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org snip I don't see this happening any more. Microsoft is on a roll now, coming out with new versions *far* more often than they used to (which means they can 'improve' the file formats much more often). My understanding is they are actually pushing ultimately to a subscriptions based model - but this could end up being good news, because imnsho, dong this could actually back fire on them though (fingers crossed)... when I discussed this with my boss, he commented that the day Microsoft *forces* us to have to 'renew' our licenses annually is the day he will never upgrade again (just stay on whatever version we currently have until the world ends). An excellent exposition of the methods used by Microsoft to «protect» its «intellectual property» - more accurately described as using its quasi-monopoly to exclude others from the market There is one more hing that could turn this around - if the EU (or some other major governmental entity) were to engage in and win an antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft and force them to *fully* document their file formats, as happened with their Windows Server SMB protocols (which I understand has benefited the Samba project immensely). -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Jay wrote: ODF formats are the international standard so technically MS is not being standards compliant. This may be very useful if someone where to sue MS for monopolistic practices. I think there's a difference between standards as declared by computer developers and societies and standards determined by the marketplace. In the business marketplace, DOC and DOCX are the standard as they are what the vast number of business users use. And, in the market place, standards can change. Twenty years ago, the standard for word processors was WordPerfect (WPD). Over time that changed to Word, but even then, in the legal profession, WordPerfect held on a little longer. Now, WordPerfect is a footnote. MS may not be standards compliant but as long as they are the biggest game in town, what they do IS the standard. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] apply numbering to headings styles
I have never been satisfied with OO and LibO's treatment of outline numbering. I like to control all formatting with Styles, but when it comes to outline numbering, I can't do that. For outline numbered paragraphs, even paragraph indents and margins are controlled by Tools/Outline Numbering rather than the styles. What I have done is create a bunch of paragraph styles called Outline-1, Outline-2, Outline-3, etc. In terms of Style-controlled formatting, each of these styles is identical -- single spaced with 12 point vertical space before each paragraph. Then, in the Tools/Outline Numbering dialog, I associate each outline style with a different outline level. Then within each particular level, I set the formatting parameters I want with proper numbering and paragraph indenting. It is all very backwards as I end up formatting paragraphs, not by the formatting styles, but by the outline numbering feature. I spent many, many hours trying to get it figured out, but once I got it done, it works great. I saved all my styles and outline numbering parameters into my default template so that I never have to try to figure it out again. Virgil -Original Message- From: rost52 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:58 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] apply numbering to headings styles On 2012-11-19 19:09, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 19/11/2012 at 10:28, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: How to activate numbering for heading styles? Have a look at Tools → Outline Numbering... Why the hell is this menu item under Tools - I always search in Format and Styles. Thanks for the question and answer. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] apply numbering to headings styles
In response to Tanstaafl and Regina, I've never considered this a bug. Rather it's a design decision, and I wouldn't want to clutter up a bugzilla with my design preferences. Also, despite the fact that I don't like it, it works better than MS Word's outliner. I just figure there is something about the way outline levels are inter-connected that makes it difficult to control them through paragraph styles. Regina, you're correct. Only the left indents are controlled by the numbering dialog, which is part of the problem. SOME formatting parameters are controlled by paragraph styles and SOME are controlled by the numbering dialog, so I'm bouncing back and forth between different formatting paradigms. As to the Headings styles, I should have clarified, my outline styles are not for headings. I create a lot of outlined documents. I have actually created several other Headings styles, called Chapter, Section, Subsection, etc. I have followed the LaTeX naming scheme as it makes the most sense to me. So, between my heading styles and my outline styles, I use all 10 outline levels. I prefer creating my own styles rather than trying to work with the pre-defined styles. I just find it easier and cleaner. Virgil -Original Message- From: Regina Henschel Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:19 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] apply numbering to headings styles Hi Virgil, VA schrieb: I have never been satisfied with OO and LibO's treatment of outline numbering. I like to control all formatting with Styles, but when it comes to outline numbering, I can't do that. For outline numbered paragraphs, even paragraph indents and margins are controlled by Tools/Outline Numbering rather than the styles. Not even, only left indents are set in the numbering dialog, all other settings come from the paragraph style. What other setting can you not do with the paragraph style? What I have done is create a bunch of paragraph styles called Outline-1, Outline-2, Outline-3, etc. In terms of Style-controlled formatting, each of these styles is identical -- single spaced with 12 point vertical space before each paragraph. Then, in the Tools/Outline Numbering dialog, I associate each outline style with a different outline level. Then within each particular level, I set the formatting parameters I want with proper numbering and paragraph indenting. Why do you need own paragraph styles for that? The predefined styles Heading 1 etc. work as well. You can adapt them easily to your own needs. It is all very backwards as I end up formatting paragraphs, not by the formatting styles, but by the outline numbering feature. I spent many, many hours trying to get it figured out, but once I got it done, it works great. I saved all my styles and outline numbering parameters into my default template so that I never have to try to figure it out again. Yes, that is the normal way, define own templates for settings, which you use often and set that template, which you use most, as default template. Kind regards Regina -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents. Virgil -Original Message- From: Jay Lozier Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote: I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have many documents that are difficult for me to retrieve, and I wrote them less than 20 years ago, using DOS programs. I can only imagine what things will be like in 30 years for those old files. I believe it's of paramount importance, even in this age of rapid development and change, to realize that electronic storage of documents is the wave of the future. They must all be stored in a simple-to-access format that any program can read, not just the latest flavor of the big boy. I am actually fairly concerned about this, since the concept of proprietary file types has never been addressed by any government agency (it would be easy, for example, for the USGovt to mandate that all files be maintained with the formatting in a separate file. If a large govt (China, the US, EU) mandated that simple change, then all files would cease to be proprietary, except for formatting changes. One might lose the formats, but the file itself would have a permanence that most files do not now have. I might also suggest that the file formatting be subject to some sort of regulation (yes, they CAN do that!), which makes all formatting retrievable, no matter how long it's been since the file was created. Otherwise, we'll all lose a huge amount of information. That's my opinion. YMMV Steve Bradley Add to file formats, ability to read the old media (floppies, zip-disks, etc). Back to your point, it will probably take government action to force the use of ODF or similar standard formats over any proprietary formats. I am waiting for the MSO version that drops support for doc and related formats. snip -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
While its interesting to get different perspectives from around the globe, I'm not sure we'll agree on the principal tasks of government, so I'll leave that subject and return to the computer side of things. Without trying to defend MS, it can only dominate markets that customers allow it to dominate. Nobody is forced to purchase MS products. They do so because, for whatever reason, they perceive that MS serves their needs. One of those needs is file compatibility with others, which by its nature, allows MS sales to feed on themselves. The more people buy MS products, the more people need to buy MS products to communicate with all the others who went before. Perhaps it's also a function of job security for IT managers. Back in the '80s, the saying was that, nobody ever got fired for buying IBM products. My guess is that, today, you can replace IBM in that phrase with Microsoft. Virgil -Original Message- From: M Henri Day Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:15 PM To: VA Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? 2012/11/19 VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents. Virgil At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-national corporation, responsible to no one save a few major shareholders and/or top executives, which, due to its domination of the market, can effectively render it manditory for me to use its proprietary file format Regulation of markets, so that they remain as free and accessible as possible, is one of the principle tasks of government Henri -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
I fully agree with your clarification. Microsoft needs customers more than customers need Microsoft, and the larger customers could very well influence how Microsoft designs its software. Virgil -Original Message- From: Steven Bradley Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:20 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? I think my point, apparently not clear, was that governments themselves would say, We will only *use* software that meets these criteria. I don't support governments mandating file types, or intervening in my private business. However, they are by far the biggest elephant in the room, and if, for example, the USGovt would say, Folks, we love your software, but we will only buy it if it produces file types that are compatible with the following then MSO and others would do that, because they need sales as much as the next company. And about the govt being involved in the computer world, and the internet...anybody remember DARPA?? And DARPAnet?? Steve On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.plwrote: On 19/11/2012 at 15:52, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I think there's a difference between standards as declared by computer developers and societies and standards determined by the marketplace. I believe that lawyers call them de facto standard and... we would really like this to be standard, so do us a favor, please - standard. It's hard to call ODF de jure standard, really. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Steven C. (Steve) Bradley CA Dept of Real Estate, Lic. #00869762 619-316-8781 Direct 619-442-8833 XT 119 Office See my websites: Real Estate and Finance http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com Relationship with God: http://truevoiceofthefather.blogspot.com/ http://realestateandfinancialwisdom.blogspot.com/ The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. - Samuel Johnson -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
I'm not defending Microsoft; I don't particularly like them. I'm just saying that if I don't want to buy MS, I don't have to, and neither does anyone else. Of course, you can buy a Mac and not have Windows. However, I never count Windows as a purchase because it comes installed on the computer. I don't pay any extra for it, and I have NEVER purchased any Windows upgrade. After buying a Windows computer, if I wanted, I could completely blow off the Windows, reformat the hard drive and install Linux. I'm sure many people have done just that. I have a dual-boot Windows/Linux system on my laptop. While my employer has purchased MS Office, I have never done so for my home computers. In other words, no matter what tactics MS uses, legal or not, as the customer, I always control where I spend my money. MS cannot dominate my computer without my permission or the software market without our collective permission. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? VA wrote: Nobody is forced to purchase MS products. Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available, they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see how they forced market share with illegal and near illegal methods, including extortion. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Improper English hyphenation
It's interesting you have that problem. I have found that Apache OpenOffice does not properly hyphenate US English, but that LibreOffice does. Sorry I don't have a solution for you, but it's interesting that the problem would crop up in LibO. Virgil -Original Message- From: J. Randal Matheny Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:31 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Improper English hyphenation I've used OOo forever, and then jumped to LO, with Brazilian Portuguese and English dictionaries/hyphenation. Recently the English hyphenation has switched, apparently, to Portuguese. I've changed everything to English I can think of, have downloaded and installed the English dictionary etc., done all I know to do. Now I'm at a loss. Any ideas? I'm not so much of a newby, have even edited and published a book in OOo, doing cover and all. Thanks! -- J. Randal Matheny • http://randal.us -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
I hate to say it, but I think in business MS compatibility is THE paramount concern. When I was working for a large business, I used LibO only for documents I knew I didn't have to share with others. For anything that had to be used by others, I used MS Office. I realize that LibO is highly compatible with MS Office, but highly often isn't enough. In my experience there were enough incompatibilities that it just wasn't worth the hassle of trying to clean up documents sent back and forth between the two office suites. File format compatibility is far more important than similar user interfaces or command structures. I would say file compatibility is the primary reason companies keep buying MS Office. Virgil -Original Message- From: Pedro Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:25 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? NoOp wrote Which part of that do you not understand? This part apache.incubator.ooo.user You are correct that I didn't notice the second option (apologies for that). I wrongly assumed it was another ooo link But redirecting a LibreOffice issue to an ooo forum doesn't make any sense. And this is a LibreOffice issue. So much so that TDF's Director bothered to answer (unfortunately in German) http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/11/16/open-letter-to-the-city-of-freiburg/ There are some translations in the comments. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OpenOffice-to-be-dumped-in-Freiburg-tp4019224p4019398.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart
On 11/17/2012 11:24 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: ... I still think that a cheat sheet guide needs to be much more than just a list of keyboard shortcuts. Having graphics showing the different menu options and where the different functions needed by the users are - is a good and needed part of such a guide/sheet. I rarely use keyboard shortcuts [except copy/paste] since I stopped using a DOS-based word processor. For many users, knowing such shortcuts can be very useful, but for those like me the are not used much or rarely. I think this highlights the challenge in trying to provide a comparison chart of two systems like LibO and MS Office. Not only do they do things differently, they think differently. Consider the simple tasks of numbering each page at the bottom of the page. Believe it or not, I had lawyers working for me who could never figure out how to do it. In LibO, one sets up a footer and then inserts the Page Number field into the footer. By doing it this way, the LibO user learns to understand the concepts of footers and fields. She can then insert any field into the footer. Not exactly rocket science. MS-Word, however, tries to insulate the user from having to learn about footers and fields. Instead it creates a shortcut by including an Insert/Page Number command that completely bypasses the need to create a footer or use a field. The user never understands footers and fields because MS doesn't want its users to think. Of course, the more skilled user can learn about footers and fields, but MS assumes that most users don't want to. I don't know how one translates the different program approaches by simply providing a list of comparable commands. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] extension or program for book printing?
Maybe I don't understand what you mean, but I've printed booklets many times with OO and I assume Libre works the same. I begin with US letter size paper, but in my page layout, I set up a custom page size, which is essentially one/half the letter size and I keep it on portrait. When printing, I open the print dialog box. Under Properties, I make sure the printer is set on landscape. I then click on the Page Layout tab and check the brochure option. With a duplex (double-sided) printer, it prints everything out perfectly and in order as a booklet. I then have an extra long stapler that I can use to staple in the middle of the letter-sized paper. It's harder with a single-side printer because you have to either manually feed the pages one at a time and flip them over or figure out which order to put the stack in after it prints all of one side; that gets a little hairy, at least for me. Virgil -Original Message- From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:16 AM To: LibreO - Users Global Subject: [libreoffice-users] extension or program for book printing? Since there was the thread about the Book Preview, I was wondering if there is either an extension out there or a external program that would print the pages of the document in the correct order for Book Printing. When you have a landscape double sided sheet with two pages printed on each side [letter or tabloid sized paper], you need to arrange the pages in a set order for the pages to print out on the correct sheet and suchfor the colation and folding of the sheets into a book format. I use to do a lot of multi-sheet newsletters printed onto tabloid paper. I ended up making a template in PageMaker that had the pages listed in the placement for printing and not for the standard document printing. I had a template for each page count version of the newsletter, such as 2 or 3 tabloid sheets. I would like to find an extension or external package that would print out the pages in the proper order for the placement on the sheets instead of doing it manually. Since I use both Windows and Linux, I could use a package for either OS. Anyone know of a package or extension that would do the work? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] extension or program for book printing?
I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall that older versions of OpenOffice had booklet instead of brochure for the printing option. I haven't printed a booklet in several years, but I walked through it this morning before I sent my email and I was surprised to see brochure as the option. Again, I remembered it as booklet, but again, my memory may be playing tricks on me. I agree that booklet is more descriptive of what we're trying to accomplish, so you're not a bit dumb. Virgil -Original Message- From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:07 AM To: LibreO - Users Global Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] extension or program for book printing? OK I am being a bit dumb. I did not check out the Brochure option for printing. For me, a brochure was a single sheet of paper divided into 3 columns and printed on 2 sides. It did not go beyond the single sheet. Newsletters and booklets were more than one sheet. So I just tested the Brochure printing out with very large numbers on each page, one per page representing its page order. Used 2 pages per sheet and the brochure option. Yes, it works they way I was looking for. SO I was all hung up with the term Brochure for a printing option. As I said, brochure is a single double sided sheet, and newsletter/booklet is for more than one double sided sheets per document. I have not made a newsletter/booklet with LO yet, except the simple double sided portrait documents. I was asked if I wanted to help with a 8 or 12 page/face newsletter in the coming few months, so I was looking into the options. Now I just have to work on the column text that starts on page one and then flows into page 3 or 4, like magazine and other articles do from time to time in newsletters and other documents that use a multi-column segmented article format. On 11/12/2012 10:45 AM, VA wrote: Maybe I don't understand what you mean, but I've printed booklets many times with OO and I assume Libre works the same. I begin with US letter size paper, but in my page layout, I set up a custom page size, which is essentially one/half the letter size and I keep it on portrait. When printing, I open the print dialog box. Under Properties, I make sure the printer is set on landscape. I then click on the Page Layout tab and check the brochure option. With a duplex (double-sided) printer, it prints everything out perfectly and in order as a booklet. I then have an extra long stapler that I can use to staple in the middle of the letter-sized paper. It's harder with a single-side printer because you have to either manually feed the pages one at a time and flip them over or figure out which order to put the stack in after it prints all of one side; that gets a little hairy, at least for me. Virgil -Original Message- From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:16 AM To: LibreO - Users Global Subject: [libreoffice-users] extension or program for book printing? Since there was the thread about the Book Preview, I was wondering if there is either an extension out there or a external program that would print the pages of the document in the correct order for Book Printing. When you have a landscape double sided sheet with two pages printed on each side [letter or tabloid sized paper], you need to arrange the pages in a set order for the pages to print out on the correct sheet and suchfor the colation and folding of the sheets into a book format. I use to do a lot of multi-sheet newsletters printed onto tabloid paper. I ended up making a template in PageMaker that had the pages listed in the placement for printing and not for the standard document printing. I had a template for each page count version of the newsletter, such as 2 or 3 tabloid sheets. I would like to find an extension or external package that would print out the pages in the proper order for the placement on the sheets instead of doing it manually. Since I use both Windows and Linux, I could use a package for either OS. Anyone know of a package or extension that would do the work? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer
I discovered my mistake, and it is truly embarrassing. I use both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice and, apparently, it is in the OpenOffice fork that the style box won’t come up in the “hierarchical” form. So far, it’s working just fine in Libre. Virgil From: Tom Davies Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:28 AM To: VA ; Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer Hi :) Intermittent problems are still problems. If someone has a similar issue in the future this thread may give them ideas to try or may build into being part of a pattern that identifies exactly when/if the problem happens to make it easier to post a precise bug-report that is not so tricky to findfix So, good work and congrats :) Regards form Tom :) -- From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 0:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to hierarchical Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past. I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to hierarchical when I reopen Writer. Virgil -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote: I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane (F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't found a way to achieve this. Any ideas? I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any difference. Virgil I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things that I do. I dock the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this pane opens showing Applied Styles. I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to work on Ubuntu. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer
The reason I use both programs is that, in some respects each has an advantage over the other. AOO seems to work better with Linux Libertine G fonts, but, LibO properly hyphenates my U.S. English language, which AOO doesn't seem to do. AOO loads faster, but LibO loads my hierarchical style pane. And, neither uses the tabbed interface of Lotus Symphony, yet another fork I have installed on my system. So, I switch between programs, all the while fantasizing that someday, someone much smarter than I will combine the best features of all three into one program and eliminate all bugs. I'm not asking too much, am I? Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:30 AM To: VA ; Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer Hi :) Ahh, that is interesting. Knowing how to fix AOO problems is not really helpful here but knowing that they do have problems, especially ones we don't have is good for my morale :D Fights and squabblings between the 2 projects often create a bad atmosphere that only helps MS so generally i think it's better that we just keep working together. On the other hand a bit of friendly rivalry can be fun. Regards from Tom :) From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 14:08 Subject: Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer I discovered my mistake, and it is truly embarrassing. I use both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice and, apparently, it is in the OpenOffice fork that the style box won’t come up in the “hierarchical” form. So far, it’s working just fine in Libre. Virgil From: Tom Davies Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:28 AM To: VA ; Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer Hi :) Intermittent problems are still problems. If someone has a similar issue in the future this thread may give them ideas to try or may build into being part of a pattern that identifies exactly when/if the problem happens to make it easier to post a precise bug-report that is not so tricky to findfix So, good work and congrats :) Regards form Tom :) -- From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 0:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to hierarchical Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past. I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to hierarchical when I reopen Writer. Virgil -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote: I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane (F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't found a way to achieve this. Any ideas? I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any difference. Virgil I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things that I do. I dock the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this pane opens showing Applied Styles. I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to work on Ubuntu. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http
[libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer
I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane (F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't found a way to achieve this. Any ideas? I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any difference. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer
I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to hierarchical when I reopen Writer. Virgil -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote: I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane (F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't found a way to achieve this. Any ideas? I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any difference. Virgil I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things that I do. I dock the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this pane opens showing Applied Styles. I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to work on Ubuntu. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer
I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to hierarchical Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past. I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to hierarchical when I reopen Writer. Virgil -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote: I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane (F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't found a way to achieve this. Any ideas? I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any difference. Virgil I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things that I do. I dock the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this pane opens showing Applied Styles. I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to work on Ubuntu. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
NoOp wrote My apologies: you are correct. I've tested again with LO 3.5, 3.6, and AOO 3.5.0 and Acroread 9.x (all linux) and found the same. I tested on a clean system; Linux Libertine O is installed on my primary system from 'fonts-linuxlibertin' (which btw work without issue). Do you get automatic ligatures with Libertine O? I thought that with OpenOffice and its forks, one needed Libertine G (with the Graphite port) to obtain the automatic ligatures and other advanced typographic features. I didn't think those features were available in Libertine O with AOO or LibO. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
Okay, I'll betray my ignorance. What would be the difference or advantage of running a 64 bit LibO vs. a 32 bit LibO? Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:53 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-) rost52 wrote: How many LibO user are having wn64 machines? Or better what is the percentage of win64 users in the LibO community? I'm a Linux user, 64 bits of course, but I have one, 1, count 'em, one computer that has 64 bit Windows 7 on it. Then again, there have been 64 bit versions of Linux going back 17 - 18 years and I was running 64 bit Linux for over 5 years, before I had 64 bit Windows. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
While I don't have Libertine O on my Win7 system, I do have it on my Ubuntu Wubi installation, so I tested it, and as I expected, I didn't get any automatic ligatures with Libertine O. Without the ligatures, it worked fine on a PDF export. Then, I copied the sentence in Libertine O and, using the Insert/Special Character menu, I manually replaced the T h in This and the f f i in official with a Th ffi ligature in the Libertine O font. This time when I converted the file to a PDF, the search function found This in the Libertine G with automatic ligatures and Libertine O without ligatures, but not the Libertine O with the manually inserted Th ligature. But, it found official in both the Libertine O without ligatures and with the manually inserted ffi ligature. This was done with Libertine 3.6.2.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 with Document Viewer. I then ran the same test in AOO in Ubuntu and the PDF search found This in Libertine G with automatic ligatures and Libertine O without ligatures but not Libertine O with ligatures. It found official in all three situations. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil I ran a test where I typed the same sentence twice on one page. On the first line, I applied Libertine On 11/03/2012 11:47 AM, VA wrote: NoOp wrote My apologies: you are correct. I've tested again with LO 3.5, 3.6, and AOO 3.5.0 and Acroread 9.x (all linux) and found the same. I tested on a clean system; Linux Libertine O is installed on my primary system from 'fonts-linuxlibertin' (which btw work without issue). Do you get automatic ligatures with Libertine O? I thought that with OpenOffice and its forks, one needed Libertine G (with the Graphite port) to obtain the automatic ligatures and other advanced typographic features. I didn't think those features were available in Libertine O with AOO or LibO. Virgil -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
On the PDF file I generated with AOO, the Properties/Font returned: LinuxLibertineG (Embedded Subset), Type: TrueType, Encoding: Built in On the PDF file I generated with LibO, the Properties/Font returned: LinuxLibertineG (Embedded Subset), Type: TrueType, Encoding: Built in In other words, both PDF files are returning the same font, Linux Libertine G, but the one created with LibO will not find official on a word search, whereas the one created with AOO will. A copy and paste from the LibO/PDF file will produce the offichial spelling, but a copy and paste from the AOO/PDF file will produce official. Both of my files, whether created with LibO or AOO use the same font, Linux Libertine G. Again, I'm using AOO 3.4.1 and LibO 3.5.7.2 on Win7 and Adobe Reader. And, most importantly, I don't even have Libertine O installed on my system, so AOO can't be picking it up. Virgil -Original Message- From: NoOp Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 5:41 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts On 11/01/2012 09:42 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote: I got them, thanks. They are exactly the same as my PDF - the text appears fine but if I vershion. copy and paste it then it looks like this: This his the offichial Cheers, Jonathan I just sent you two files; an AOO odt, and an AOO generated PDF. It is a font issue. I suspect that the non-problem with AOO that VA is seeing is because AOO does not natively pick up the LO TTF Linux Libertine G. It didn't even pick it up in ~/.fonts. Instead it will pick up a Type 1 Linux Libertine O font. I figured this out by looking at the PDF File|Properties|Font. I ended up specifically installing the G fonts in AOO 3.5.0; _that_ allowed me to use G TTF instead of O Type 1. Now, when using the G TTF font I experience the exact same issue as on LO. Moving the cursor from the 'T' to the 'h' in 'This' causes the cursor to skip directly to 'i'. Opening the TTF Linux Libertine G font in Fontforge generates these warnings: The following table(s) in the font have been ignored by FontForge Ignoring 'Feat' SIL Graphite layout feature table Ignoring 'Glat' Graphite glyph attribute table Ignoring 'Gloc' Graphite glyph location in Glat table Ignoring 'Silf' SIL Graphite rule table Ignoring 'Sill' (unspecified) SIL Graphite table The glyph named Tcommaaccent is mapped to U+021A. But its name indicates it should be mapped to U+0162. The glyph named tcommaaccent is mapped to U+021B. But its name indicates it should be mapped to U+0163. I don't know enough about fonts to comment otherwise. Gary On 02/11/12 15:36, NoOp wrote: On 11/01/2012 09:23 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote: Libertine G and Biolinum G fonts have been bundled with LO since LO 3.3: So I keep on reading. But apparently not in the Debian or Ubuntu distributions(?) Perhaps I'm missing the 'graphite' bits? When I follow the instructions inhttp://numbertext.org/linux/fontfeatures.odt everything matches. Are you able to post the PDF that you produce? I'd like to take a look at it with some PDF editing tools? Sent to you directly. Both the 3.5 and 3.6 versions. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
Jonathan, At the risk of muddying the waters further, let me share another strange behavior I've noticed between LibO and AOO when using Linux Libertine. I typed the sentence This is the official version in LibO. I then placed the cursor at the beginning of the sentence. If I then hit the right arrow key and move the cursor along the sentence one character at a time, in LibO, the cursor jumps over the ligatures as if they are one character. I would expect this since a ligature is, in fact, one character. But, when I typed the same sentence in AOO and moved the cursor along the sentence, the cursor stopped at each letter, even stopping between the letters of the ligatures. It seems that LibO and AOO are treating Libertine G differently even before trying to convert a file to PDF. PS - As to switching to AOO, keep in mind that it has its own problems. Several users, including myself, have noticed that it doesn't hyphenate US-English words at the right locations. Its not a dictionary issue as I have used the same dictionaries in LibO which hyphenates words at the right locations. Virgil On 10/31/2012 08:18 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote: Hi all, Thank you for all your enthusiastic help with this. I also made some progress. Using Infix PDF Editor 5 (Windows trial version under Wine) and/or fontforge (Linux) I could see that the Font mapping was messed up. The mistaken mappings begin: Th - T i - hi That is, the PDF converter has broken 'This' at the wrong place into 'T/hi/s' instead of 'Th/i/s'. All successive instances of the 'i' glyph are mapped to 'hi', thus explaining the drunken slurring effect. I was able to manually repair the mappings using podofobrowser (Opensource, pre-built Windows executable under Wine). Now my real PDF is good. But if I re-create it I need to re-repair it. I've reproduced the problem with both Debian and the LO versions of LO. Maybe I should also try installing AOO. webmaster-Kracked_P_P: would you be able to attach the PDF that you produced from my file so I can look for signs? My version of the fonts is from January 2012, so that may be a source of the problem. Another possibility, since it's fairly clearly a bug somewhere, is that maybe building for 64 bit architecture makes it disappear. Unless anyone has a better idea, I'll file this as a LO bug. Cheers, Jonathan On 01/11/12 04:39, VA wrote: Interesting problem. Based on my tests, which I detail below, it appears to be LibO bug rather than a font problem. I'm using LibO 3.5.6.2 with Win7 and Adobe Reader. In the sentence This is the official version with Linux Libertine G, there are two instances of automatic ligatures--the Th combination in This, and the ffi combination in official. In Adobe Reader, I aas able to find This when I did a search, which means that the Reader recognized the Th ligature as a T followed by an h which is what I typed into the search box. But, when I tried to search for official the Adobe Reader couldn't find it, which means it did NOT associate my typing of an f, f, I with the ffi ligature. Then when I copied and pasted the sentence from the PDF file into a plain text editor, it placed an h before every instance of an i just as was reported. However, this obviously has nothing to do with ligatures as most of the instances of i were NOT included in the ligatures. In fact, it did not place an h before the i in the ffi ligature. For comparison, I ran the same test using Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1. to see if it is a font issue or a program issue. I'm sorry to report that it appears to be a program issue. In AOO, I typed the same sentence using Linux Libertine G, This is the official version. I then saved it as a PDF and opened it in Adobe Reader. This time, a search found both This and official despite both words containing ligatures. And, when I copied the sentence into a plain text editor, it copied correctly without any additions of h before i. I love the Linux Libertine set of fonts. I use it, not only with LibO and AOO, but also when I set a document in LaTeX. I have found that Apache OpenOffice's support for Linux Libertine G appears to be more complete and polished than LibO's. This may be an example of that more complete support. Of course, LibO has its advantages over AOO; for example, it properly hyphenates American English words, with AOO does not appear to do. It would be nice if someone could combine the best of both programs into one complete program (along with the tabbed interface of Lotus Symphony, yet a third fork of the original OO). But, I won't hold my breath. Virgil -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:02 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts On 10/30/2012 11:08 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote: I can select the text in the PDF, copy and paste, but get an 'h' added before most 'i'. I can search
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
Interesting problem. Based on my tests, which I detail below, it appears to
be LibO bug rather than a font problem.
I'm using LibO 3.5.6.2 with Win7 and Adobe Reader.
In the sentence This is the official version with Linux Libertine G, there
are two instances of automatic ligatures--the Th combination in This,
and the ffi combination in official. In Adobe Reader, I aas able to find
This when I did a search, which means that the Reader recognized the Th
ligature as a T followed by an h which is what I typed into the search
box. But, when I tried to search for official the Adobe Reader couldn't
find it, which means it did NOT associate my typing of an f, f, I with
the ffi ligature.
Then when I copied and pasted the sentence from the PDF file into a plain
text editor, it placed an h before every instance of an i just as was
reported. However, this obviously has nothing to do with ligatures as most
of the instances of i were NOT included in the ligatures. In fact, it did
not place an h before the i in the ffi ligature.
For comparison, I ran the same test using Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1. to see if
it is a font issue or a program issue. I'm sorry to report that it appears
to be a program issue. In AOO, I typed the same sentence using Linux
Libertine G, This is the official version. I then saved it as a PDF and
opened it in Adobe Reader. This time, a search found both This and
official despite both words containing ligatures. And, when I copied the
sentence into a plain text editor, it copied correctly without any additions
of h before i.
I love the Linux Libertine set of fonts. I use it, not only with LibO and
AOO, but also when I set a document in LaTeX.
I have found that Apache OpenOffice's support for Linux Libertine G appears
to be more complete and polished than LibO's. This may be an example of that
more complete support.
Of course, LibO has its advantages over AOO; for example, it properly
hyphenates American English words, with AOO does not appear to do. It would
be nice if someone could combine the best of both programs into one complete
program (along with the tabbed interface of Lotus Symphony, yet a third fork
of the original OO). But, I won't hold my breath.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: Dan Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:02 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
On 10/30/2012 11:08 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote:
I can select the text in the PDF, copy and paste, but get an 'h'
added before most 'i'. I can search, but not if the word is one with
the extra h before i Steve
That's exactly what I mean. It effectively means no searching.
I tried both Linux Libertine and Linux Biolinum [14 point] on my
3.5.7 version for Ubuntu 64-bit. I cannot replicate the issue with
added characters.
Were you using Graphite fonts ('Libertine G'/'Biolinum G')? Those are the
ones where the problem arises. Those are also the fonts that do ligatures
and other lovely typesetting things that make them look so nice, which I
why I want to use them.
Cheers,
Jonathan
Seems to me that you have solved your own problem: it is the
fonts. The search function can not handle the the lovely typesetting
things. As you mentioned, an i looks like a hi to it. The only real
solution is to not use any of the Graphite fonts in a PDF.
But if you want to search the PDF, have you opened it in Draw and
search for the text in it?
--Dan
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
Okay, I just tested it with LibreOffice 3.6.2.2 for 64-bit Ubuntu (the version I got when I just clicked on Download at the LibO website) and got identical results. I used both Document Viewer and Okular to view the PDF file. In both cases, the search function found This with the Th ligature, but not official with the ffi ligature. Cutting and pasting the text from the PDF file to GEdit also produced the rogue additional h before each i. I then ran the same test with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 for Ubuntu and all was fine, just as it was on my Win7 setup. My next test will be to download the latest version of LibO for Windows and try it again there. I'm also wondering if the version of Linux Libertine G matters. Even if it does, it is clear that, at least on my computer, Apache OpenOffice is rendering it properly in a PDF file and LibO is not. Since I'm not a developer, I have no idea why. I agree that Apache and Libre have different licensing structures, but as an end-user, not a developer, I don't particularly care. Both AOO and LibO are free to use by users for any purpose without restriction. As a user, I view the differences in the programs in terms of what they do for me, not in how they are licensed. Right now, on my computer, AOO works better with the Libertine G fonts, but LibO has accurate US-English hyphenation. So, my solution, which I hate, is to keep both programs on my computer and load the one that meets my particular need at a given time. When I need good Libertine G support, I use AOO; if I need good hyphenation, I load LibO. I refuse to get sucked into licensing battles between two very similar programs. I just want to get my work done. Virgil On 10/31/2012 02:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I tested it with 3.5.7 for 64-bit Ubuntu [.deb] and I do not see the issue at all. I use the default PDF viewer as well. I wonder if it was fixed between 3.5.6 and 3.5.7? OR - Could it look different in a different viewer that the official Adobe Reader? I do have both the Linux Libertine G and the non-G versions. I used the uploaded text file and tested it. The PDF output with Export to PDF did not give me any issue. As for the best of both packages, in some articles I have read, AOO is taking the best of LO coding and including it into their package, since LO developer really have made a large amount of work cleaning and improving the base code from the OOo 3.x base code days. The big problem, IMO, is the licensing issue. AOO has a different approach, so I have been told, and it is not as flexible for the rights of the individual developers as the LO project has. AOO can use LO's code, but LO's licensing approach will not allow AOO coding to be easily a part LO's package unless there is a revamping of the way the developers keep their ownership of their work. [or so I have been told in my reading]. As for the Libertine font itself, I see the following in my font window: Linux Libertine Linux Libertine Capitals Linux Libertine Display Linux Libertine Display Capitals Linux Libertine G Linux Libertine Initials Linux Libertine Slanted. I also have: Linux Biolinum Linux Biolinum Captials Linux Biolinum G Linux Biolinum Keyboard Linux Biolinum Outline Linux Biolinum Shadow Linux Biolinum Slanted I do not use Libertine or Biolinum much, since about 1/3 of the things I do I tend to go to others for editing in the Windows and non-LO environment. They use the MS core fonts. Now if I was to send out in PDFs, then I can embed the fonts in the documents and therefore could use these fonts. With over 14 Gigi of font files to choose from, I tend to get lost in who has and who do not have the fonts I use on a weekly basis. On 10/31/2012 01:39 PM, VA wrote: Interesting problem. Based on my tests, which I detail below, it appears to be LibO bug rather than a font problem. I'm using LibO 3.5.6.2 with Win7 and Adobe Reader. In the sentence This is the official version with Linux Libertine G, there are two instances of automatic ligatures--the Th combination in This, and the ffi combination in official. In Adobe Reader, I aas able to find This when I did a search, which means that the Reader recognized the Th ligature as a T followed by an h which is what I typed into the search box. But, when I tried to search for official the Adobe Reader couldn't find it, which means it did NOT associate my typing of an f, f, I with the ffi ligature. Then when I copied and pasted the sentence from the PDF file into a plain text editor, it placed an h before every instance of an i just as was reported. However, this obviously has nothing to do with ligatures as most of the instances of i were NOT included in the ligatures. In fact, it did not place an h before the i in the ffi ligature. For comparison, I ran the same test using Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1. to see if it is a font issue
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
I just downloaded LibO 3.5.7.2 to my Win7 computer and tried again. Same results as with 3.5.6.2 for Win7 and 3.6.2.2 for Ubuntu. I'm running a dual boot Win7/Ubuntu laptop and the results have been consistent across platforms and different versions of the program. LibO, whether for Win7 or Ubuntu, produces PDFs that cannot find official with the ffi ligature and insert an additional h before i upon a cut and paste from the PDF file. AOO does not share this behavior. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:34 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts Okay, I just tested it with LibreOffice 3.6.2.2 for 64-bit Ubuntu (the version I got when I just clicked on Download at the LibO website) and got identical results. I used both Document Viewer and Okular to view the PDF file. In both cases, the search function found This with the Th ligature, but not official with the ffi ligature. Cutting and pasting the text from the PDF file to GEdit also produced the rogue additional h before each i. I then ran the same test with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 for Ubuntu and all was fine, just as it was on my Win7 setup. My next test will be to download the latest version of LibO for Windows and try it again there. I'm also wondering if the version of Linux Libertine G matters. Even if it does, it is clear that, at least on my computer, Apache OpenOffice is rendering it properly in a PDF file and LibO is not. Since I'm not a developer, I have no idea why. I agree that Apache and Libre have different licensing structures, but as an end-user, not a developer, I don't particularly care. Both AOO and LibO are free to use by users for any purpose without restriction. As a user, I view the differences in the programs in terms of what they do for me, not in how they are licensed. Right now, on my computer, AOO works better with the Libertine G fonts, but LibO has accurate US-English hyphenation. So, my solution, which I hate, is to keep both programs on my computer and load the one that meets my particular need at a given time. When I need good Libertine G support, I use AOO; if I need good hyphenation, I load LibO. I refuse to get sucked into licensing battles between two very similar programs. I just want to get my work done. Virgil On 10/31/2012 02:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I tested it with 3.5.7 for 64-bit Ubuntu [.deb] and I do not see the issue at all. I use the default PDF viewer as well. I wonder if it was fixed between 3.5.6 and 3.5.7? OR - Could it look different in a different viewer that the official Adobe Reader? I do have both the Linux Libertine G and the non-G versions. I used the uploaded text file and tested it. The PDF output with Export to PDF did not give me any issue. As for the best of both packages, in some articles I have read, AOO is taking the best of LO coding and including it into their package, since LO developer really have made a large amount of work cleaning and improving the base code from the OOo 3.x base code days. The big problem, IMO, is the licensing issue. AOO has a different approach, so I have been told, and it is not as flexible for the rights of the individual developers as the LO project has. AOO can use LO's code, but LO's licensing approach will not allow AOO coding to be easily a part LO's package unless there is a revamping of the way the developers keep their ownership of their work. [or so I have been told in my reading]. As for the Libertine font itself, I see the following in my font window: Linux Libertine Linux Libertine Capitals Linux Libertine Display Linux Libertine Display Capitals Linux Libertine G Linux Libertine Initials Linux Libertine Slanted. I also have: Linux Biolinum Linux Biolinum Captials Linux Biolinum G Linux Biolinum Keyboard Linux Biolinum Outline Linux Biolinum Shadow Linux Biolinum Slanted I do not use Libertine or Biolinum much, since about 1/3 of the things I do I tend to go to others for editing in the Windows and non-LO environment. They use the MS core fonts. Now if I was to send out in PDFs, then I can embed the fonts in the documents and therefore could use these fonts. With over 14 Gigi of font files to choose from, I tend to get lost in who has and who do not have the fonts I use on a weekly basis. On 10/31/2012 01:39 PM, VA wrote: Interesting problem. Based on my tests, which I detail below, it appears to be LibO bug rather than a font problem. I'm using LibO 3.5.6.2 with Win7 and Adobe Reader. In the sentence This is the official version with Linux Libertine G, there are two instances of automatic ligatures--the Th combination in This, and the ffi combination in official. In Adobe Reader, I aas able to find This when I did a search, which means that the Reader recognized the Th ligature as a T followed by an h which
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
Weird. My Windows version of Linux Libertine G is version 5.1.3. I'm not yet deft enough with Ubuntu to even know where fonts are stored on the system, but I think it's the same version. Either way, I don't think it would explain why LibO and AOO are producing different results with the same font. I've spent enough of my afternoon looking at this issue, so don't bother sending me your font files. This wasn't my problem to begin with. I just got interested in it because of my fondness for the Libertine fonts. For me, though, the real issue is that it underscores small (but important) differences between LibO and AOO, which might be resolved if the respective developers could get past their licensing issues and work together. Virgil -Original Message- From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:21 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts Why would 3.6.2.2 [for 64-bit Ubuntu] give you the problem when 3.5.7.2 [for 64-bit Ubuntu] does not give the same issue to me. That is a real head-scratching problem for me. I downloaded my versions of the fonts in June of 2011. If you want, I can upload the Linux Libertine fonts files I use to a place where you can download then and check them. As I said, my Ubuntu 3.5.7 version of LO is not showing me the issue you are showing with 3.6.2.2. On 10/31/2012 04:34 PM, VA wrote: Okay, I just tested it with LibreOffice 3.6.2.2 for 64-bit Ubuntu (the version I got when I just clicked on Download at the LibO website) and got identical results. I used both Document Viewer and Okular to view the PDF file. In both cases, the search function found This with the Th ligature, but not official with the ffi ligature. Cutting and pasting the text from the PDF file to GEdit also produced the rogue additional h before each i. I then ran the same test with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 for Ubuntu and all was fine, just as it was on my Win7 setup. My next test will be to download the latest version of LibO for Windows and try it again there. I'm also wondering if the version of Linux Libertine G matters. Even if it does, it is clear that, at least on my computer, Apache OpenOffice is rendering it properly in a PDF file and LibO is not. Since I'm not a developer, I have no idea why. I agree that Apache and Libre have different licensing structures, but as an end-user, not a developer, I don't particularly care. Both AOO and LibO are free to use by users for any purpose without restriction. As a user, I view the differences in the programs in terms of what they do for me, not in how they are licensed. Right now, on my computer, AOO works better with the Libertine G fonts, but LibO has accurate US-English hyphenation. So, my solution, which I hate, is to keep both programs on my computer and load the one that meets my particular need at a given time. When I need good Libertine G support, I use AOO; if I need good hyphenation, I load LibO. I refuse to get sucked into licensing battles between two very similar programs. I just want to get my work done. Virgil On 10/31/2012 02:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I tested it with 3.5.7 for 64-bit Ubuntu [.deb] and I do not see the issue at all. I use the default PDF viewer as well. I wonder if it was fixed between 3.5.6 and 3.5.7? OR - Could it look different in a different viewer that the official Adobe Reader? I do have both the Linux Libertine G and the non-G versions. I used the uploaded text file and tested it. The PDF output with Export to PDF did not give me any issue. As for the best of both packages, in some articles I have read, AOO is taking the best of LO coding and including it into their package, since LO developer really have made a large amount of work cleaning and improving the base code from the OOo 3.x base code days. The big problem, IMO, is the licensing issue. AOO has a different approach, so I have been told, and it is not as flexible for the rights of the individual developers as the LO project has. AOO can use LO's code, but LO's licensing approach will not allow AOO coding to be easily a part LO's package unless there is a revamping of the way the developers keep their ownership of their work. [or so I have been told in my reading]. As for the Libertine font itself, I see the following in my font window: Linux Libertine Linux Libertine Capitals Linux Libertine Display Linux Libertine Display Capitals Linux Libertine G Linux Libertine Initials Linux Libertine Slanted. I also have: Linux Biolinum Linux Biolinum Captials Linux Biolinum G Linux Biolinum Keyboard Linux Biolinum Outline Linux Biolinum Shadow Linux Biolinum Slanted I do not use Libertine or Biolinum much, since about 1/3 of the things I do I tend to go to others for editing in the Windows and non-LO environment. They use the MS core
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
Jonathan,
You are obviously much more advanced than I am. Just a couple thoughts.
My computer is 64 bit and both my Windows and Ubuntu versions of LibO are 64
bit, and I have the same problem as you.
Again, my AOO (on either Windows or Ubuntu) doesn't have the problem but I
don't know if it is specifically a 64 bit version. I just downloaded
whatever popped up from the download page.
I'm beginning to think that the problem may be in the PDF converter
settings. I tried checking and unchecking the imbed standard fonts option,
but it made no difference. I'm still thinking that there's a problem in the
way LibO creates PDF files as opposed to AOO.
Good luck.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Schultz
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:18 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
Hi all,
Thank you for all your enthusiastic help with this.
I also made some progress. Using Infix PDF Editor 5 (Windows trial
version under Wine) and/or fontforge (Linux) I could see that the Font
mapping was messed up. The mistaken mappings begin:
Th - T
i - hi
That is, the PDF converter has broken 'This' at the wrong place into
'T/hi/s' instead of 'Th/i/s'. All successive instances of the 'i' glyph
are mapped to 'hi', thus explaining the drunken slurring effect.
I was able to manually repair the mappings using podofobrowser
(Opensource, pre-built Windows executable under Wine). Now my real PDF
is good. But if I re-create it I need to re-repair it.
I've reproduced the problem with both Debian and the LO versions of LO.
Maybe I should also try installing AOO.
webmaster-Kracked_P_P: would you be able to attach the PDF that you
produced from my file so I can look for signs?
My version of the fonts is from January 2012, so that may be a source of
the problem. Another possibility, since it's fairly clearly a bug
somewhere, is that maybe building for 64 bit architecture makes it
disappear.
Unless anyone has a better idea, I'll file this as a LO bug.
Cheers,
Jonathan
On 01/11/12 04:39, VA wrote:
Interesting problem. Based on my tests, which I detail below, it appears
to be LibO bug rather than a font problem.
I'm using LibO 3.5.6.2 with Win7 and Adobe Reader.
In the sentence This is the official version with Linux Libertine G,
there are two instances of automatic ligatures--the Th combination in
This, and the ffi combination in official. In Adobe Reader, I aas
able to find This when I did a search, which means that the Reader
recognized the Th ligature as a T followed by an h which is what I
typed into the search box. But, when I tried to search for official
the Adobe Reader couldn't find it, which means it did NOT associate my
typing of an f, f, I with the ffi ligature.
Then when I copied and pasted the sentence from the PDF file into a
plain text editor, it placed an h before every instance of an i just
as was reported. However, this obviously has nothing to do with
ligatures as most of the instances of i were NOT included in the
ligatures. In fact, it did not place an h before the i in the ffi
ligature.
For comparison, I ran the same test using Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1. to
see if it is a font issue or a program issue. I'm sorry to report that
it appears to be a program issue. In AOO, I typed the same sentence
using Linux Libertine G, This is the official version. I then saved it
as a PDF and opened it in Adobe Reader. This time, a search found both
This and official despite both words containing ligatures. And, when
I copied the sentence into a plain text editor, it copied correctly
without any additions of h before i.
I love the Linux Libertine set of fonts. I use it, not only with LibO
and AOO, but also when I set a document in LaTeX.
I have found that Apache OpenOffice's support for Linux Libertine G
appears to be more complete and polished than LibO's. This may be an
example of that more complete support.
Of course, LibO has its advantages over AOO; for example, it properly
hyphenates American English words, with AOO does not appear to do. It
would be nice if someone could combine the best of both programs into
one complete program (along with the tabbed interface of Lotus Symphony,
yet a third fork of the original OO). But, I won't hold my breath.
Virgil
-Original Message- From: Dan Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:02 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
On 10/30/2012 11:08 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote:
I can select the text in the PDF, copy and paste, but get an 'h'
added before most 'i'. I can search, but not if the word is one with
the extra h before i Steve
That's exactly what I mean. It effectively means no searching.
I tried both Linux Libertine and Linux Biolinum [14 point] on my
3.5.7 version for Ubuntu 64-bit. I cannot replicate the issue with
added characters.
Were you using Graphite fonts ('Libertine G
Re: [libreoffice-users] Delete a Registered Database
You can go to Tools/Options/LibreOffice Base. Under Databases, there is a list of registered databases. From there, you can delete registered databases. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:08 AM To: webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk ; UserSupportMailingList LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Delete a Registered Database Hi :) It sounds like you have done step 1 of a 2 step process. The next step is to de-register the database isn't it? Dan said two things: browse to its location deleting the database file, and delete it from the registered database data. I'm not sure how to do the 2nd thing there. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk To: UserSupportMailingList LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 29 October 2012, 15:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Delete a Registered Database Hello, I have _deleted_ the odb files on Debian Linux, and I still see the registered database after restarting LibreOffice. Is it a reported bug? C. H. D. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ --- 2012年10月29日 星期一，Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com 寫道﹕ 寄件人: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com 主題: Re: [libreoffice-users] Delete a Registered Database 收件人: webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk 日期: 2012年10月29日,星期一,下午6:48 On 10/28/2012 09:14 PM, webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: Hello, In LibreOffice 3.5 Writer, how should I delete a registered database? Edit → Exchange Database... → Browse... → (Choose an ODF Spreadsheet file) → Define → Close Data Sources (or F4) → Right-click the left panel → Registered databases → (Choose a file) → Delete → OK (Restart LibreOffice) → Data Sources (or F4) → (The “registered database” is _not_ deleted.) Any ideas? C. H. D. This was confusing to me to when I first began using OpenOffice.org 1.03 years ago. When you register a database, you tell LibreOffice where the database is located, and that is used so you can access data from it in the Data Source window (F4). When you delete a database from the registered database data, you are only deleting this information. If you want to delete a database you have registered, you should do two things: browse to its location deleting the database file, and delete it from the registered database data. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there? I like people in here too. I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the world. I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here. We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download, or
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder. My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not LO. On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked perfect. So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files and the way LO reads them. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Just tried it with DOC. It works. It truly is ironic. I've always like RTF precisely because of its relatively wide compatibility. It seems as if RTF has been rendered obsolete and irrelevant. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:12 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Probably best off using Doc in Atlantis. Doc seems to have more chance of being displayed at least nearly correctly in a greater range of different programs. I think it's likely that Odt will begin to replace that within a few years. Again, Doc was created by MS but NOT as a format to increase compatibility between programs! Ooooh the irony. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:45 Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder. My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not LO. On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked perfect. So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files and the way LO reads them. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files
Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work _ _
-Original Message- From: VA Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:55 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work _ _ Dear Lost Soul, I may regret trying to be helpful, but let me share a similar experience I recently had with Apache OpenOffice. I have been using OpenOffice since version 1.0 and StarOffice before that. In December, 2010, I got a Sony Win7 laptop. I never had a problem with OpenOffice on my Win7 machine. Then came the great Oracle/TDF schism and LibreOffice was born. I downloaded LibreOffice and began using it, again without any problems with my Win7 machine. About a year later, Apache finally came out with its version of OpenOffice. I downloaded it to my Win7 computer, and that's when my spelling problems began. Now, remember that I had had previous versions of OpenOffice on my computer and, when I downloaded the new Apache OpenOffice, I hadn't made any changes to my user profile. It was the same user profile that dated back to OpenOffice 3.0. My spelling problem was different than yours, but I think they might have a similar cause (but, remember, I'm not a geek, just a user). In my case, Apache OpenOffice simply refused to recognize the English(USA) dictionary. It reported every word as being misspelled. It also refused to hyphenate any word. The program said that the dictionary was in place; it just refused to apply it. I tried downloading new English(USA) dictionary files and that didn't work. So finally, I cursed the Apache folks for offering a defective product, and uninstalled the program. Now, when a program is uninstalled, Windows does NOT uninstall local configuration files. So every time you uninstall/reinstall or upgrade to a newer version, the new program will simply load on top of the old user configuration files. So, as a last ditch attempt, after uninstalling Apache OpenOffice, I decided to completely delete my configuration folder. On my computer, the OpenOffice configuration folder was found in: c:\users\username\appdata\roaming\openoffice.org\3\. (The files for LibreOffice would be in a similar folder named c:\users\username\appdata\roaming\libreoffice\3\. I completely deleted the folder at the openoffice.org level. This meant the computer deleted the openoffice.org folder, along with the subfolder 3 and all subfolders below that. I then reinstalled Apache OpenOffice and, since then, I haven't had a problem with the spell checker. It works just fine. Now, I run both Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I figure that, over time, one of the programs will clearly outshine the other in terms of the features I prefer and then I can use only one. But, for now, I bounce back and forth between the two. (Sometimes, I'll even use Lotus Symphony, another fork of OpenOffice. I really like its tabbed interface, and I can't understand why neither Apache nor Libre have adopted it.) So, Lost Soul, or anyone else with similar problems, don't forget the user configuration folders. For me, it worked to delete them entirely and start over. There may be better solutions; for me, I lost all my templates and styles, etc., but since I use similar templates and styles in Libre, I was able to recreate everything fairly easily. Virgil -Original Message- From: Felmon Davis Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:35 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work _ _ On Sun, 14 Oct 2012, Lostsoul wrote: Ok why have i never had a word problem with vista but since i have had win 7 64 bit for 2 months now on a lap top; Asus to be exact i can t get any word programs spell / grammer check to work for me yet ? ? Seems like spell check works with one word then a second word but can t find four or five mis spelled words in a doc that i close then i open some days later and sees no mis spelled words ? ? I wonder if spell grammer checkers that come with word programs for win 7 can t do both that is underline a mis spelled word as you type and correct or underline then the user manually corrects it and then i assume it should correct mis spelled words after i reopen a saved doc; i always though it could do both but on win 7 can t figure out how to get that to happen. It works both ways on vista but can t get it to work both ways on win 7 yet; hum wonder if word programs need that red underline for any spell checking; and the lines aren t saving for win 7 so that leaves spell check clueless on a saved doc? How was that a serious question; Ok - Later no, not at all a serious question; for one thing, you already know you are over-generalizing since you know not everyone has your problem. I certainly have no idea how frequent your problem (or problems) are and you don't seem to know either. but sorry I brought up the 'serious question' issue. can we have a sense of where things actually stand? in particular I wonder when you
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . .
I just joined this list, so I may be jumping in on something I have no business in, but you ask does anyone out there use libre with win7 so far I would guess it’s a huge no... I use Libre with Win7 with no problems. I always get my Libre downloads from Libre itself, never a third party. I've tried the Wubi install of Ubuntu with its version of Libre, and I always find myself coming back to Win7. Compared to Win7, Ubuntu just seems unpolished. I eventually deleted the Ubuntu Wubi install. If I recall, the Windows version of Libre had better support for the Linux Libertine G font than the Ubuntu version, which is important to me. Virgil -Original Message- From: Lostsoul Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:53 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . . Not thinking of using ubanta was just asking about it ; and does anyone out their use libre with win 7 so far i would guess its a huge no and your throwing out ramdom guess s as fixs. And libre comes in three sizes on various freeware sites; not their home page 28 mb and 120 mb and their web site has it at 210 mb and 10 mb for help; wonder what that is all about will get the biggy next hopefully that works with win 7 the way it should - later --- On Fri, 10/12/12, krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4012954...@n3.nabble.com wrote: From: krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4012954...@n3.nabble.com Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . . To: Lostsoul joyseyh...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:34 PM I think there is some other issues going on with this user and Ubuntu will not fix the problem. The person will be a Windows user and not a Linux user in the foreseeable future. Where is he getting a 28MB or a 108 MB version of LO is my concern. I do not remember Windows LO being that small. Then there is the comment of being a use for 3 years. LO 3.3.0 came out in the beginning of last year, so it has not be out for 3 years yet. If the person installed a version of LO that is not the proper file size, then there will be trouble. I think the best thing to do is a complete uninstall of LO and then download a fresh copy from the web site and make sure what is downloaded matches the file size of the package. On 10/12/2012 11:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think what i would be tempted to do at this stage, since you have put so much timeeffort in is to resize the Win7 partition to around 30-50Gb and then get an Ubuntu Cd and install Ubuntu on however much space you have left (assuming you have over 15Gb to spare). Ubuntu comes with tons of programs already installed so it very usable right from the start. http://www.ubuntu.com/ The download button is halfway down the left side, just under the title Rock Solid. Windows is a Pita to install. I think probably a lot of people on this list share your pain as there are probably a lot us here that have had to try it too. With hindsight i think it's usually best to stick with whatever is already on the machine but just shrink the partition as small as reasonably possible and then use the rest of the space for the new install of whatever. Win7 is great once it's installed and got all the programs but it sounds like yours has something wrong with it, or with the LO install or something. Like i say it is a total pain to install. Not that once you have created the Ubuntu Cd you can boot-up straight from the Cd without even installing it so you can test-drive the lookfeel of Ubuntu. We call it a Live Cd session. You can make a Usb one which is a lot faster but people often still call it LiveCd even if it's Usb. Regards from Tom :) From: Lostsoul [hidden email] To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 16:10 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . . OHHH my to much to do wonder if its worth it i miss vista everything worked like a charm first must re install the newest biggest version; so much bloody crap to install - and i openned not saved - later . . . --- On Fri, 10/12/12, krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] [hidden email] wrote: From: krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] [hidden email] Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . . To: Lostsoul [hidden email] Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:03 AM Did you try to open the file in the browser or download it? Right-Click and do a save link as. Once you download a .oxt extension file, dictionary or other, then you open LibreOffice. Go to Tools and then extension manager. Use the Add option. My American, British, and Canadian dictionaries are listed in the Extension Center, but hosted externally. The quickest way to get them is go directly to my current dictionary page on the NA-DVD web site.
[libreoffice-users] PROBLEM WITH VBA MACRO IN CALC FROM EXCEL
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[libreoffice-users] INVOICING IN LIBREOFFICE
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