[libreoffice-users] Re: Libreoffice and Java

[V Stuart Foote]

Tom wrote
> 
> 
> So, i made the page
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java
> 
> 

I've cleaned up the FAQ/Java Wiki post on JRE 1.6.u35 and JRE 1.7u7 and Java
Access Bridge configuration.

My one continuing suggestion--have a single 32-bit JRE (1.6 or 1.7)
configured for use with LibreOffice, doesn't matter too much which
branch--but just one.

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[Andreas Säger]

Tanstaafl wrote
> 
> 
> This makes no sense.
> 
> Is there some reason that the install routine can't automate this?
> 
> I just don't see thousands (or millions) of users having to do this 
> manually.
> 
Only you and a couple of others. You must not think that this is a general
problem that has been overlooked by the testers.

1) Java is not required to use this software. Just disable Java and use the
remaining 98% of it.
2) LibreOffice for Windows is a 32 bit application -- always. Any Java
component integrated into this software requires a 32 bit Java runtime.
3) The 2% of Java dependent features should work with any recent Java
version 6 or 7 (again: 32bit Java on Windows). The developers have no
influence on third party extensions though. Third party extensions may be
incompatible with Java7.
4) There is absolutely nothing wrong with Java 6. It is still maintained and
fully supported.
5) You can have as many Java versions on the same machine as required to run
your more or less antiquated Java applications, libraries, applets and
stuff. Regarding this office suite, just point your office to the latest
Java6-32 and all will be fine with any combination of LibreOffice,
extensions, wizards and Java databases.

I run LibreOffice 3.5 and Apache OpenOffice 3.4 with Java7 on Linux-64 and
Windows-32 platforms.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libreoffice and Java

[NoOp]

On 08/24/2012 05:22 AM, Bob McDonald wrote:
> I'm having a bit of a bother with any version of Libreoffice
> installed with JRE 1.7 on Windows 7.
> 
> Libreoffice crashes on start with any version of Java JRE greater
> than 1.6.  If I go back to 1.6 I'm O.K.
> 
> Anyone else having issues?
> 
> If so and this is a new bug, what do you want to see?

Well Bob... if you tell this list what version of LO you are talking
about perhaps we/they can assist? Or should we all go testing in 3.5.xyz
or 3.6.xyz?

I certainly don't mind testing, but given that it is Windows 7 you are
referring to, it would be helpful if you tell us the version you are
talking about. (Help|About LibreOffice usually works well).







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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[Tanstaafl]

On 2012-09-06 11:52 AM, V Stuart Foote  wrote:

Yes, that is correct. Would still be broken if you don't also clean
upthe javasettings .xml configuration file.


This makes no sense.

Is there some reason that the install routine can't automate this?

I just don't see thousands (or millions) of users having to do this 
manually.




From: Tanstaafl [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org]
Sent: Thu 9/6/2012 10:21 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java



Thanks Stuart...

So, if you (like I always do) first uninstall JRE 1.6, then install 1.7
(32bit of course), will it still be broken?







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RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[V Stuart Foote]

Yes, that is correct. Would still be broken if you don't also clean up the 
javasettings .xml configuration file.
 
Additionally, for folks on a 64-bit build of Windows,  if you install both a 
32-bit and a 64-bit JRE, you need to watch which JRE gets called with 
LibreOffice.  Oracle installers place copies of latest installed executable 
into the C:\Windows\system32 (the 64-bit executables), and also in 
C:\Windows\SysWOW64 (for the 32-bit executables).
 
They are copied from the respective  installation directories of the JREs, but 
with a default installation these executables will be "found" before any other 
instance referred by the PATH environment, so they are the JREs used by 
default--and that can cause problems if not expected (as can issues with 
location of a MS C++ runtime not being present with the Java virtual machine 
libraries).  
 
To convince yourself, leave the C:\Windows copies intact and run a Command 
Window, and then execute "java -version", if you have the 64-bit JRE installed 
and you will see the version labeled as 64-bit build--not the 32-bit. And that 
also seems to causes problems for LibreoOffice which on Windows remains 32-bit.
 
To precisely control which JRE is used, you have to remove the executables from 
the system32 and SysWOW64 directories, and then establish a specific location 
on the PATH for them. Can be anywhere in the PATH environment variable, but for 
security after the Windows OS components. Also by convention you can create a 
JAVA_HOME environment variable and use a "%JAVA_HOME%\bin" reference in the 
PATH.  Very useful (and the norm in Linux) in that you can programmatically 
change the JAVA_HOME variable when you need a different JRE (either the version 
or use of a 64-bit build).
 
Stuart



From: Tanstaafl [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org]
Sent: Thu 9/6/2012 10:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java



Thanks Stuart...

So, if you (like I always do) first uninstall JRE 1.6, then install 1.7
(32bit of course), will it still be broken?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[Tanstaafl]

Thanks Stuart...

So, if you (like I always do) first uninstall JRE 1.6, then install 1.7 
(32bit of course), will it still be broken?


On 8/28/2012 12:10 PM, V Stuart Foote  wrote:


Bob McDonald wrote


JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first
and is pointed to in the options.  (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6
afterward...)
Neither of the 64 bit versions work.  (or show up as Java versions in the
options list under LO)



Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so
many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they
do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations.

Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file
with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config

For JRE 1.6u34:



Oracle Corporation
file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6
1.6.0_34
0
0

and of JRE 1.7u6



Oracle Corporation
file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7
1.7.0_06
0
0

This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE!  It
must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment PATH,
or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Nicely said!  :)  It's sometimes difficult to hear the way people say things 
when just reading written words!  Normally something like 40% of communication 
is non-verbal or to do with intonation and other obscure clues.  

I think it would be really great if you 2 or even just 1 of you or other people 
could edit the wiki-page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java
to make it more useful.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: V Stuart Foote 
>To: Bob McDonald ; users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:19
>Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
> 
>Bob,
>
>Sorry, too shrill on my part. Just because it was incorrect doesn't mean
>it was wrong.
>
>Apologies--and please remain engaged.
>
>Stuart
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:18 AM
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
>
>Well that was how it worked for me.  Since it is completely wrong, I'll
>quit posting about it and watch what happens in the future.
>
>Have fun!
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think the response you got, that you got it completely wrong, was imprecise.  
It is not as simple as java 1.6 vs 1.7.  There are loads of versions of 1.6 and 
then there are issues about precisely which version of your OS and then add in 
which version of LibreOffice.  

Something that did work for 1 person obviously works and probably works for 
quite a lot of people but it might just be a lucky combination of versions.

The whole thing is just such a total mess.
Regards from
Tom :)  






>
> From: Bob McDonald 
>To: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 17:17
>Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
> 
>Well that was how it worked for me.  Since it is completely wrong, I'll quit 
>posting about it and watch what happens in the future.
>
>Have fun!
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob
>  
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:10 PM
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
>> 
>> 
>> Bob McDonald wrote
>> >
>> > JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first
>> > and is pointed to in the options.  (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6
>> > afterward...)
>> > Neither of the 64 bit versions work.  (or show up as Java versions in the
>> > options list under LO)
>> >
>> 
>> Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so
>> many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they
>> do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations.
>> 
>> Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file
>> with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at
>> C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config
>> 
>> For JRE 1.6u34:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oracle Corporation
>> file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6
>> 1.6.0_34
>> 0
>> 0
>> 
>> and of JRE 1.7u6
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oracle Corporation
>> file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7
>> 1.7.0_06
>> 0
>> 0
>> 
>> This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE!  It
>> must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment
>> PATH,
>> or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[V Stuart Foote]

Bob,

Sorry, too shrill on my part. Just because it was incorrect doesn't mean
it was wrong.

Apologies--and please remain engaged.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:18 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

Well that was how it worked for me.  Since it is completely wrong, I'll
quit posting about it and watch what happens in the future.

Have fun!

Regards,

Bob


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RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[Bob McDonald]

Well that was how it worked for me.  Since it is completely wrong, I'll quit 
posting about it and watch what happens in the future.

Have fun!

Regards,

Bob
  

> -Original Message-
> From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:10 PM
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
> 
> 
> Bob McDonald wrote
> >
> > JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first
> > and is pointed to in the options.  (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6
> > afterward...)
> > Neither of the 64 bit versions work.  (or show up as Java versions in the
> > options list under LO)
> >
> 
> Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so
> many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they
> do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations.
> 
> Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file
> with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at
> C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config
> 
> For JRE 1.6u34:
> 
> 
> 
> Oracle Corporation
> file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6
> 1.6.0_34
> 0
> 0
> 
> and of JRE 1.7u6
> 
> 
> 
> Oracle Corporation
> file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7
> 1.7.0_06
> 0
> 0
> 
> This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE!  It
> must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment
> PATH,
> or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java

[V Stuart Foote]

Bob McDonald wrote
> 
> JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first
> and is pointed to in the options.  (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6
> afterward...)
> Neither of the 64 bit versions work.  (or show up as Java versions in the
> options list under LO)
> 

Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so
many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they
do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations.

Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file
with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config

For JRE 1.6u34:



Oracle Corporation
file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6
1.6.0_34
0
0

and of JRE 1.7u6



Oracle Corporation
file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7
1.7.0_06
0
0

This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE!  It
must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment PATH,
or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libreoffice and Java

[Andreas Säger]

Am 27.08.2012 19:06, Bob McDonald wrote:

It seems to work fine if you take JRE 1.7 off the machine and install JRE 1.6...

Once they take Java out of the equation, it'll be fixed.  Until they do, 
however, take 1.7 off and Install 1.6.  That seems to fix the problem.

YMMV,

Bob


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-Original Message-
From: Tom Randall [mailto:kf6...@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 11:47 AM
To: Bob McDonald; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java

Hi Bob and all.

I've been through the wringer on this and have still not got much of
anywhere.  It seems some people have major problems with this and some
just
don't seem to.  I spent well over an hour going through the steps listed on
bugzilla that were supposed to fix this, e.g. uninstalling java completely,
cleaning the registry, installing the new java, setting the javahome
variable and path, re-installing the JAB, etc. etc.

This did sort of fix my problem, LO at least no longer says that my JRE is
defective when I try to enable accessibility.  However from what I can tell
the accessibility is still not working correctly.  Supernova still does not
read my menus or the state of checkboxes.  NVDA doesn't either so I know it
is not a Supernova problem.  I have no idea what to do at this point and am
frankly about to give up on this.  Don't misunderstand me, the folks on this
list have been very helpful trying to help me figure this out.  However
while telling me that LO isn't the problem and that it's Windows and Java is
all good and fine and I actually do believe this is the case, it does not
fix this and I still have a productivity suite that does not allow me to be
productive.  This is not something I am fooling around with as some sort of
project, I depend on it for getting paperwork done for my work.  I used to
recommend this package for my students especially those on a limited
income
and I probably still will for the very few tech savvy ones I get but for
most of them if you start talking to them about Javahome variables and
setting paths they're going to ask you what the living hell you're
blabbering about.  I swore I'd never give Microshaft another dime for an
Office package but that's what they use where I work and unless I get
someplace with this pretty quick I may not have a choice.

Apologies to the list for the rant, I realize this thing is a work in
progress and it's free and all that, however this is a serious issue for me.
I really want to be able to offer people an alternative to shelling out 150
bucks for a word processor and spreadsheet but I won't be able to unless I
find a reasonable way to fix this.

Best regards,

Tom

-Original Message-
From: Bob McDonald
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:22 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java

I'm having a bit of a bother with any version of Libreoffice installed with
JRE 1.7 on Windows 7.

Libreoffice crashes on start with any version of Java JRE greater than 1.6.
If I go back to 1.6 I'm O.K.

Anyone else having issues?

If so and this is a new bug, what do you want to see?

Regards,

Bob


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Tom Randall has trouble with one particular accessibility package in 
combination with LibreOffice. If the problem is related to LibreOffice, 
only the developers can give any qualified statement. I don't think that 
a single developers reads this list on a regular basis.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice and Java problem

[grunjuger]

I finally just found the solution
It was the KDE theme Polyester which was corrupted in one way.
I uninstalled it and added libreoffice icon themes and now it works!!!
Thanks anyway!!!
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