[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions
Le 14/10/2013 21:02, Ken Springer a écrit : Hi Ken, I say this because I thought I read in a help file somewhere all you had to do was place the extension in that folder and restart LO. Which didn't work. LOL So, went to find said help file, now I can't. That's not good. sigh I'm not convinced that this actually works, but am willing to be proved wrong. The way extension installation and registration worked (still works ?) was that active registration was required. In other words, the Extension Manager (and unopkg) did the work of actively registering the extension within the LO application framework. There was a change during 4.x development to switch some extensions to passive registration, perhaps that was the sense of what you read somewhere (I can only think of the developer's list or dev wiki for that, but I don't know my way around everything within LO). At present, current development (in the master repo) has focussed on having the LO project built-in extensions use a particular prefix to separate those extensions that are built natively and those that have to be added by the user/admin. I don't really understand the what or the why behind it as I'm not a developer, but have been trying to follow that on the dev mailing list. I don't follow today's norm for data/file storage on my computers. Both this Mac and all the Windows machines I own, I create that storage somewhere else other than the OS partition. I have tried that in the past, but on OSX, the LO application is an application bundle, and if you don't install an extension into the main app corresponding directory, then you have to be able to make sure that the user installation directory is visible to the main app. As the user profile config is stored in /Application Support/LibreOffice or whatever name I choose to call it, provided it matches the name of my LO app, I'm not sure if that still works if your user profile config folder is stored somewhere else. Certainly, I see no scope for that working with the main app bundle extensions directory, as I'm assuming, perhaps wrongly, that this is hardcoded. I missed that earlier. They just *had* to make it small text, they couldn't have made it a button Developers and web site designers have forgotten how to design for total newbies, which is how I look at all software, web sites, and OS interfaces. As if today, humans are not born with the computer knowledge and skills many developers and web site designers seem to take for granted all users have. Oh I agree that LO is far from having an intuitve interface. The problem is that we all beg to differ on what an intuitive UI should be like. Current thinking in the LO UX (user experience) group, if I understand correctly, is to adhere to the Elementary OS HMI guidelines : http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/human-interface-guidelines Whether that thinking will move things along in the direction you would like, I really have no idea. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions
On 10/15/13 3:25 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 14/10/2013 21:02, Ken Springer a écrit : Hi Ken, I say this because I thought I read in a help file somewhere all you had to do was place the extension in that folder and restart LO. Which didn't work. LOL So, went to find said help file, now I can't. That's not good. sigh I'm not convinced that this actually works, but am willing to be proved wrong. The way extension installation and registration worked (still works ?) was that active registration was required. In other words, the Extension Manager (and unopkg) did the work of actively registering the extension within the LO application framework. There was a change during 4.x development to switch some extensions to passive registration, perhaps that was the sense of what you read somewhere (I can only think of the developer's list or dev wiki for that, but I don't know my way around everything within LO). Before I found the remove button, which I mentioned earlier, I manually removed 3 extensions from the Extensions folder. It didn't seem to make any difference. After reading your post, I put them back, only to discover there is no removed button for them. That doesn't set positively with me. I went back and manually removed them again. We'll see what happens later. At present, current development (in the master repo) has focussed on having the LO project built-in extensions use a particular prefix to separate those extensions that are built natively and those that have to be added by the user/admin. I don't really understand the what or the why behind it as I'm not a developer, but have been trying to follow that on the dev mailing list. I don't follow today's norm for data/file storage on my computers. Both this Mac and all the Windows machines I own, I create that storage somewhere else other than the OS partition. I have tried that in the past, but on OSX, the LO application is an application bundle, and if you don't install an extension into the main app corresponding directory, then you have to be able to make sure that the user installation directory is visible to the main app. As the user profile config is stored in /Application Support/LibreOffice I was referring to the data I create, stuff downloaded, images, etc. If an application wants to put things in a particular location, I let it. There are a lot of Windows users who do this, I'm not one of them. That just seems to me to be asking for trouble. or whatever name I choose to call it, provided it matches the name of my LO app, I'm not sure if that still works if your user profile config folder is stored somewhere else. Certainly, I see no scope for that working with the main app bundle extensions directory, as I'm assuming, perhaps wrongly, that this is hardcoded. I missed that earlier. They just *had* to make it small text, they couldn't have made it a button Developers and web site designers have forgotten how to design for total newbies, which is how I look at all software, web sites, and OS interfaces. As if today, humans are not born with the computer knowledge and skills many developers and web site designers seem to take for granted all users have. Oh I agree that LO is far from having an intuitve interface. The problem is that we all beg to differ on what an intuitive UI should be like. Current thinking in the LO UX (user experience) group, if I understand correctly, is to adhere to the Elementary OS HMI guidelines : http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/human-interface-guidelines Whether that thinking will move things along in the direction you would like, I really have no idea. I look more for consistency with in an application, more than it should look like all the rest. So the remove button should be in the same place as the install button. Whether it's a round button, square button, pink with purple polka dots, I don't care. Just keep similarly grouped functions in the same spot. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions
On a Mac you will find the Extensions folder by Right clicking on LibreOffice.app: Go To Show Package Contents Contents Share Extensions. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Installing-extensions-tp4078029p4078032.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions
On 14/10/2013 17:22, Ken Springer wrote: Hi Ken, Is LO at all picky about where you place downloaded extensions? If not, is there a recommended location? Not that I know of, you can even store them on remote storage before you install them. The Extensions Manager doesn't seem to be particularly picky as long as the Finder can reach them. The help file for installing extensions doesn't mention storage locations at all. And it doesn't mention anything about downloading from the web, except for a short blurb about repositories, which I presume applies only to Linux. Most of my extensions go into the Download folder by default. If I want to install them, I open up the Extension Manager from within LO, and navigate to the Download folder. Extensions can also be installed from the command line with the unopkg binary. Oh, yea, and there's no connection to LO's extensions page from the extensions manager. And the information on the extensions page is out of date. The connection to the Extensions site seems to work for me. If I click on the link at the bottom of the Extensions Manager window, I get taken to the Extensions and Templates home page on OSX 10.8.5 with LO 4. If I click on the little icon at the bottom of the startcenter, I also get taken to the corresponding general home page. Which version of LO on Mac are you using ? Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions
On 10/14/13 9:39 AM, Tinkerer wrote: On a Mac you will find the Extensions folder by Right clicking on LibreOffice.app: Go To Show Package Contents Contents Share Extensions. Tink. Got it. Thanks, Tink. Too bad somebody doesn't want you to have direct access to that folder. :-( -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.0.4 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing extensions
On 10/14/13 10:05 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote: On 14/10/2013 17:22, Ken Springer wrote: Hi Ken, Is LO at all picky about where you place downloaded extensions? If not, is there a recommended location? Not that I know of, you can even store them on remote storage before you install them. The Extensions Manager doesn't seem to be particularly picky as long as the Finder can reach them. Thanks to Tinkerer, I found the folder it goes in. Too bad it's not easily accessible to the Finder. :-( I say this because I thought I read in a help file somewhere all you had to do was place the extension in that folder and restart LO. Which didn't work. LOL So, went to find said help file, now I can't. That's not good. sigh The help file for installing extensions doesn't mention storage locations at all. And it doesn't mention anything about downloading from the web, except for a short blurb about repositories, which I presume applies only to Linux. Most of my extensions go into the Download folder by default. If I want to install them, I open up the Extension Manager from within LO, and navigate to the Download folder. I don't follow today's norm for data/file storage on my computers. Both this Mac and all the Windows machines I own, I create that storage somewhere else other than the OS partition. Even MS, with Win7, has admitted their design isn't always a good idea. Extensions can also be installed from the command line with the unopkg binary. I try to stay as far away form command lines as I can now. It's 2013, not 1983, you should not need to use a command line to accomplish a task. Oh, yea, and there's no connection to LO's extensions page from the extensions manager. And the information on the extensions page is out of date. The connection to the Extensions site seems to work for me. If I click on the link at the bottom of the Extensions Manager window, I get taken to the Extensions and Templates home page on OSX 10.8.5 with LO 4. If I click on the little icon at the bottom of the startcenter, I also get taken to the corresponding general home page. I missed that earlier. They just *had* to make it small text, they couldn't have made it a button Developers and web site designers have forgotten how to design for total newbies, which is how I look at all software, web sites, and OS interfaces. As if today, humans are not born with the computer knowledge and skills many developers and web site designers seem to take for granted all users have. I think a better design, and more consistent design of the Extension Manager UI would be to put the Remove button with the Add button. :-) Which version of LO on Mac are you using ? Uhhh, it's in my sig??? BG But your question did make me realize the LO part needed updating, and below is current. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 17.0.8 LibreOffice 4.1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
