Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Brian Barker]

At 08:59 15/08/2017 -0600, Jorge Rodríguez wrote:
As I understand, there is a way to use some 
information from other authors: Put quotation 
marks to the information that we need to 
reference and put a footer where we have to put 
the information of the authors and more. When we 
use a graph, we can do similar. And I think it doesn't break the copyright.


I think you are confusing copyright with 
plagiarism. Yes, it is important - especially in 
academic works - not to misrepresent something as 
your own work when it is actually derived from 
someone else's, and there are indeed fair dealing 
exceptions in most copyright laws. But simply 
citing sources does not give you the right to reuse copyright material.


Brian Barker 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Wiebe van der Worp]

On 15-08-17 12:43, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 12:14 15/08/2017 +0200, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
>> Please also be aware of the fact that data itself is not copyrighted.
>> In other words, copying data to Calc and use it to create a graph and
>> an accompanying table should never be a problem - if my memory serves
>> me well.
> 
> This may be true in the USA (is it?), but a few seconds of web searching
> shows this certainly not to be so in all jurisdictions. (The text on the
> original chart was in French and the original enquirer wrote from a
> French e-mail address.)

You're right about complexity and everyone should make a well thought
decision. I've asked a lawyer and translated his Dutch answer to English:


It's complicated. There are jurisdictions with a sweat-of-the-brow
copyright protection. Then there is the EU with its data bank protection
(in itself a wrong instrument) that has caused all kinds of weird sui
generis protection of data (such as the Dutch "geschriftenbescherming")
to be invalid.

I would not categorically dare to say that data by definition falls
outside the scope of copyright (within the EU it does, because of data
bank protection, which is something else (and complicated in its own way)).


Maybe this makes it a bit more clear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[jorge Rodríguez]

Hi all:

As I understand, there is a way to use some information from 
other authors: Put quotation marks to the information that we need to 
reference and put a footer where we have to put the information of the 
authors and more. When we use a graph, we can do similar. And I think it 
doesn't break the copyright.


I hope this help,

Jorge Rodríguez


El 15/08/2017 a las 04:43, Brian Barker escribió:

At 12:14 15/08/2017 +0200, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
Please also be aware of the fact that data itself is not copyrighted. 
In other words, copying data to Calc and use it to create a graph and 
an accompanying table should never be a problem - if my memory serves 
me well.


This may be true in the USA (is it?), but a few seconds of web 
searching shows this certainly not to be so in all jurisdictions. (The 
text on the original chart was in French and the original enquirer 
wrote from a French e-mail address.)


Brian Barker




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2017-08-14 16:24 GMT+02:00 Gilles :

> Hello
>
> I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this one:
>
> 
>
> Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths (unless
> it's a no-brainer)?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
There is an extension to get data from a scanned graph

https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/digitizer-of-xy-chart

I've never used it, though, so I do not know how well (or if) it works.

Regards,
Ricardo




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Brian Barker]

At 12:14 15/08/2017 +0200, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
Please also be aware of the fact that data itself is not 
copyrighted. In other words, copying data to Calc and use it to 
create a graph and an accompanying table should never be a problem - 
if my memory serves me well.


This may be true in the USA (is it?), but a few seconds of web 
searching shows this certainly not to be so in all jurisdictions. 
(The text on the original chart was in French and the original 
enquirer wrote from a French e-mail address.)


Brian Barker 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Wiebe van der Worp]

On 15-08-17 09:34, Mike Scott wrote:
>> Gilles schrieb:

>>> I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this
>>> one:
>>>
>>> 

> Can I also point out that LO isn't necessarily the correct tool? I've
> lately discovered the joys of gnuplot -- more flexible than LO, and an
> image created by it could of course be imported into an LO document.
And since it supports SVG, it can be post edited by Inkscape before
inserting it as razor sharp image (set term svg, set output
"yourfile.svg, before plot")

> As others have pointed out, beware copyright of the data.

Please also be aware of the fact that data itself is not copyrighted. In
other words, copying data to Calc and use it to create a graph and an
accompanying table should never be a problem - if my memory serves me well.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Mike Scott]

On 14/08/17 16:15, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

Gilles schrieb:

Hello

I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this 
one:




Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths 
(unless

it's a no-brainer)?



You mean, that you do not have the underlying data?

In that case, you can use the scan directly.

Or in case the scan is too ugly, you have to read the scan and enter the 
coordinates as data in the table. From the image I guess, that five 
points are sufficient. You need an XY-chart, because otherwise the years 
are not at the ticks but between the ticks.


Generate the chart in Calc. Uncheck the option to use "Source Format" in 
the Numbers tab of the axis properties dialog. That makes it easier to 
copy the chart to Writer.


Yes, you can redraw the graph, but you might learn a little bit about 
making a chart.


Kind regards
Regina



Can I also point out that LO isn't necessarily the correct tool? I've 
lately discovered the joys of gnuplot -- more flexible than LO, and an 
image created by it could of course be imported into an LO document.


As others have pointed out, beware copyright of the data.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Brian Barker]

At 08:09 14/08/2017 -0700, Tom Cloyd wrote:
Re-using graphs directly scanned from a book, without permission of 
the copyright owner, would also be a violation of international copyright law.


Surely reconstituting such a graph - as is being suggested - might 
well be so too?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Regina Henschel]

Hi,

Gilles schrieb:

Hello

I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this one:



Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths (unless
it's a no-brainer)?



You mean, that you do not have the underlying data?

In that case, you can use the scan directly.

Or in case the scan is too ugly, you have to read the scan and enter the 
coordinates as data in the table. From the image I guess, that five 
points are sufficient. You need an XY-chart, because otherwise the years 
are not at the ticks but between the ticks.


Generate the chart in Calc. Uncheck the option to use "Source Format" in 
the Numbers tab of the axis properties dialog. That makes it easier to 
copy the chart to Writer.


Yes, you can redraw the graph, but you might learn a little bit about 
making a chart.


Kind regards
Regina





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Tom Cloyd]

Re-using graphs directly scanned from a book, without permission of the
copyright owner, would also be a violation of international copyright law.

Tom

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 7:43 AM, T. R. Valentine 
wrote:

> On 14 August 2017 at 09:24, Gilles  wrote:
>
> > I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this
> one:
> >
> > 
> >
> > Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths
> (unless
> > it's a no-brainer)?
>
> The only way I know to do this in LibreOffice *or* MS Office is to
> enter the values in a spreadsheet, create the graph, then link the
> graph to the word processor.
>
> If one obtains high-quality scans of the graphs and saves them as
> images, they could be inserted as images, but that wouldn't be
> redrawing the graphs.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[T. R. Valentine]

On 14 August 2017 at 09:24, Gilles  wrote:

> I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this one:
>
> 
>
> Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths (unless
> it's a no-brainer)?

The only way I know to do this in LibreOffice *or* MS Office is to
enter the values in a spreadsheet, create the graph, then link the
graph to the word processor.

If one obtains high-quality scans of the graphs and saves them as
images, they could be inserted as images, but that wouldn't be
redrawing the graphs.


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[libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?

[Gilles]

Hello

I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this one:

 

Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths (unless
it's a no-brainer)?

Thank you.



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