Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
Hi :) Sorry all! Especially sorry to Tim who didn't deserve my rant at all. It is really hot here and i'm struggling to cope with the heat and it's making me grouchy so i should have stayed away or at least left it as a draft for a couple of days before choosing to send or abandon. Anyway, many apologies and regards from a Tom :) On 6 August 2018 at 17:57, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > When you photocopy something or when an artist copies a famous painting > there are usually differences between the copy and the original. The copy > is often thought of as inferrior. If you take a photocopy of a photocopy > of something and keep on going copying the most recent copy rather than the > original then the newer copy's quality plummets. > > If you look at a dinner fork then which of the prongs is the continuation > of the handle? Can it be said that only 1 is the original handle and the > others are just copies? Of course the prongs are usually all smaller and > thinner so maybe none of them are the original handle as none of them > resemble it. > > If i email you a file then the copy you get is identical - so the idea > that it is a 'copy' rather than the original is just semantics. > Philosophically we could argue that you now have the original and i have > kept a copy. > > When a project such as OOo forks it is even less clear which is the > original and which is the copy. People who had applied changes to the > code-base under Sun found those changes finally approved and applied to the > same code-base but that was now becoming called LibreOffice. While they > had been developing the code they had been OOo people· Their code went to > OOo and got applied to LO. > > Quite sizable chunks of code hadn't been changed since before even Sun, > back when OOo was called Star Office. > > When Oracle bought-out Sun one of it's first acts was to completely cease > any communication with the community that had been working on OOo. They > seized assets belonging to the community and restricted people's access to > various parts of the infrastructure that the community had built. They > fired most of Sun's staff that had been working on OOo or redirected them > to work on other things. > > Meanwhile an awesome bunch of 20 people had been enacting a plan that Sun > and the community had drawn-up to migrate OOo off to be it's own separate > and independent organisation. So pretty much the only people working on > OOo at that time were continuing to move OOo forwards by making it > independent. Most of the community followed them and i think some of the > ex-Sun staff also followed in a voluntary capacity. > > All that Oracle kept was the name, the branding (which almost no-one had > ever heard of at that point), and a bit of a ghost town where there had > been a bustling vibrant community. Their prong was seriously diminished > and was almost nothing like what OOo had been. > > Also meanwhile the various forks that had been using OOo as the base of > their own projects almost all carried on seamlessly by using LO as their > base. Even as it was forming TDF was FAR more responsive to community > developments than even Sun had been so a lot of those forks sent their work > upstream to LO, got their work approved and merged back into LO. > > One of those forks was Go-OO, which collectively handled all the changes > required by all the different Gnu distros. Their improvements had > been going on for over a decade so when they merged into LO the code was > massively improved and all the distros dropped the Sun OOo or Go-OO > branding and started using LibreOffice's - but by doing so they were > continuing to use the same thing that they always had been using. > > It might only seem like semantics but we are not some random fragment > picked up by clueless people who had never worked on it before (although > some of us are - well i am). We are not a cheap knock-off copy. I think > it's important for us to realise that we are part of a decades-old project > with the experience, wisdom and reliability that brings. > > Regards from a Tom :) > > > > > > > > On 6 August 2018 at 05:16, Tim-L wrote: > >> >> I switched to LibreOffice when OOo stopped sending our updates/upgrades. >> >> As for the code, I thought the developers worked on the code a lot to >> make it easier maintain and upgrade. >> >> Yes, I agree that if you used OOo, you will find LO very similar to use. >> Also there are many forks from the original OOo code made into individual >> projects. I am glad I went with LibreOffice. >> >> >> On 08/05/2018 07:13 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> >>> Hi :) >>> LO is a continuation of OOo, just a name-change and radical revamp of >>> infrastructure. Most of the people and organisations that were in OOo >>> moved to LO and 'just' re-organised things to be a lot more sensible. >>> The >>> code was initially the same. >>> >>> So it was more like OOo had just moved offices and rebranded and finally >>> followed the
Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
Hi :) When you photocopy something or when an artist copies a famous painting there are usually differences between the copy and the original. The copy is often thought of as inferrior. If you take a photocopy of a photocopy of something and keep on going copying the most recent copy rather than the original then the newer copy's quality plummets. If you look at a dinner fork then which of the prongs is the continuation of the handle? Can it be said that only 1 is the original handle and the others are just copies? Of course the prongs are usually all smaller and thinner so maybe none of them are the original handle as none of them resemble it. If i email you a file then the copy you get is identical - so the idea that it is a 'copy' rather than the original is just semantics. Philosophically we could argue that you now have the original and i have kept a copy. When a project such as OOo forks it is even less clear which is the original and which is the copy. People who had applied changes to the code-base under Sun found those changes finally approved and applied to the same code-base but that was now becoming called LibreOffice. While they had been developing the code they had been OOo people· Their code went to OOo and got applied to LO. Quite sizable chunks of code hadn't been changed since before even Sun, back when OOo was called Star Office. When Oracle bought-out Sun one of it's first acts was to completely cease any communication with the community that had been working on OOo. They seized assets belonging to the community and restricted people's access to various parts of the infrastructure that the community had built. They fired most of Sun's staff that had been working on OOo or redirected them to work on other things. Meanwhile an awesome bunch of 20 people had been enacting a plan that Sun and the community had drawn-up to migrate OOo off to be it's own separate and independent organisation. So pretty much the only people working on OOo at that time were continuing to move OOo forwards by making it independent. Most of the community followed them and i think some of the ex-Sun staff also followed in a voluntary capacity. All that Oracle kept was the name, the branding (which almost no-one had ever heard of at that point), and a bit of a ghost town where there had been a bustling vibrant community. Their prong was seriously diminished and was almost nothing like what OOo had been. Also meanwhile the various forks that had been using OOo as the base of their own projects almost all carried on seamlessly by using LO as their base. Even as it was forming TDF was FAR more responsive to community developments than even Sun had been so a lot of those forks sent their work upstream to LO, got their work approved and merged back into LO. One of those forks was Go-OO, which collectively handled all the changes required by all the different Gnu distros. Their improvements had been going on for over a decade so when they merged into LO the code was massively improved and all the distros dropped the Sun OOo or Go-OO branding and started using LibreOffice's - but by doing so they were continuing to use the same thing that they always had been using. It might only seem like semantics but we are not some random fragment picked up by clueless people who had never worked on it before (although some of us are - well i am). We are not a cheap knock-off copy. I think it's important for us to realise that we are part of a decades-old project with the experience, wisdom and reliability that brings. Regards from a Tom :) On 6 August 2018 at 05:16, Tim-L wrote: > > I switched to LibreOffice when OOo stopped sending our updates/upgrades. > > As for the code, I thought the developers worked on the code a lot to make > it easier maintain and upgrade. > > Yes, I agree that if you used OOo, you will find LO very similar to use. > Also there are many forks from the original OOo code made into individual > projects. I am glad I went with LibreOffice. > > > On 08/05/2018 07:13 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > >> Hi :) >> LO is a continuation of OOo, just a name-change and radical revamp of >> infrastructure. Most of the people and organisations that were in OOo >> moved to LO and 'just' re-organised things to be a lot more sensible. The >> code was initially the same. >> >> So it was more like OOo had just moved offices and rebranded and finally >> followed the years-old plan to reincorporate as an independent >> organisation. >> Regards from >> a Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> On 5 August 2018 at 23:54, Tim-L wrote: >> >> On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote: >>> >>> On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote: On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote: > > How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help >> files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there >> FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist. >> Maybe sometime in
Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
On 08/05/2018 04:54 PM, Tim-L wrote: On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote: On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote: On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote: How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist. Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius has decided it is unnecessary. Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04. I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT > PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too. However, I was able to add a watermark by doing this: 1. Use "Format > Page > Area" menu to access the "Fill" setting. 2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic" button to import my image. 3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting) When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in full color (no opacity). Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer. Hope this helps! Peace... "The Other" Tom The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information: https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/ Peace... "The Other" Tom I use Format > Page > Area > Bitmap to add a background image. Thanks for the work-around. I downloaded and installed the offline help, and it still shows FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND. It makes sense to work on the code to make it easier to maintain but to exclude the help files from changes should be a resulting responsibility. -- A smile - is a sign of joy. A hug - is a sign of love. A laugh - is a sign of happiness. May your troubles be less... May your blessings be more... May nothing but happiness come through your door!! Blessings, Joe Conner Joshua 24:15 "...as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
I switched to LibreOffice when OOo stopped sending our updates/upgrades. As for the code, I thought the developers worked on the code a lot to make it easier maintain and upgrade. Yes, I agree that if you used OOo, you will find LO very similar to use. Also there are many forks from the original OOo code made into individual projects. I am glad I went with LibreOffice. On 08/05/2018 07:13 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) LO is a continuation of OOo, just a name-change and radical revamp of infrastructure. Most of the people and organisations that were in OOo moved to LO and 'just' re-organised things to be a lot more sensible. The code was initially the same. So it was more like OOo had just moved offices and rebranded and finally followed the years-old plan to reincorporate as an independent organisation. Regards from a Tom :) On 5 August 2018 at 23:54, Tim-L wrote: On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote: On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote: On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote: How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist. Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius has decided it is unnecessary. Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04. I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT > PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too. However, I was able to add a watermark by doing this: 1. Use "Format > Page > Area" menu to access the "Fill" setting. 2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic" button to import my image. 3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting) When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in full color (no opacity). Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer. Hope this helps! Peace... "The Other" Tom The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information: https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/ Peace... "The Other" Tom I use Format > Page > Area > Bitmapto add a background image. I use to create an image for the watermark with GIMP or other software and make them look transparent there. I even test them with that package to see how the graphic will work. I made one for a letterhead that showed printed, but would not copy when you try to use a printer/scanner or a copy machine. This was a security feature I made for an organization I am still on the board of [since 2007]. I have use the transparency menu for other background images and watermarks. I have been making watermarks and background images with foreground text since the earliest days of LibreOffice and some of the later years of OOo - a number of yours before LO came out. I still need to upgrade to the next version [6.0.6, but have downloaded the DEB install files. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un subscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
Hi :) LO is a continuation of OOo, just a name-change and radical revamp of infrastructure. Most of the people and organisations that were in OOo moved to LO and 'just' re-organised things to be a lot more sensible. The code was initially the same. So it was more like OOo had just moved offices and rebranded and finally followed the years-old plan to reincorporate as an independent organisation. Regards from a Tom :) On 5 August 2018 at 23:54, Tim-L wrote: > On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote: > >> On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote: >> >>> On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote: >>> How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist. Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius has decided it is unnecessary. Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04. I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT > >>> PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too. However, I was able to add a >>> watermark by doing this: >>> >>> 1. Use "Format > Page > Area" menu to access the "Fill" setting. >>> 2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic" >>> button to import my image. >>> 3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting >>> of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting) >>> >>> When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in >>> full color (no opacity). >>> >>> Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer. >>> >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> Peace... >>> >>> "The Other" Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information: >> >> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/ >> >> >> Peace... >> >> "The Other" Tom >> >> >> I use Format > Page > Area > Bitmapto add a background image. > > I use to create an image for the watermark with GIMP or other software > and make them look transparent there. I even test them with that package to > see how the graphic will work. I made one for a letterhead that showed > printed, but would not copy when you try to use a printer/scanner or a copy > machine. This was a security feature I made for an organization I am still > on the board of [since 2007]. > > I have use the transparency menu for other background images and > watermarks. > > I have been making watermarks and background images with foreground text > since the earliest days of LibreOffice and some of the later years of OOo - > a number of yours before LO came out. > > I still need to upgrade to the next version [6.0.6, but have downloaded > the DEB install files. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un > subscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote: On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote: On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote: How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist. Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius has decided it is unnecessary. Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04. I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT > PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too. However, I was able to add a watermark by doing this: 1. Use "Format > Page > Area" menu to access the "Fill" setting. 2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic" button to import my image. 3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting) When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in full color (no opacity). Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer. Hope this helps! Peace... "The Other" Tom The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information: https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/ Peace... "The Other" Tom I use Format > Page > Area > Bitmap to add a background image. I use to create an image for the watermark with GIMP or other software and make them look transparent there. I even test them with that package to see how the graphic will work. I made one for a letterhead that showed printed, but would not copy when you try to use a printer/scanner or a copy machine. This was a security feature I made for an organization I am still on the board of [since 2007]. I have use the transparency menu for other background images and watermarks. I have been making watermarks and background images with foreground text since the earliest days of LibreOffice and some of the later years of OOo - a number of yours before LO came out. I still need to upgrade to the next version [6.0.6, but have downloaded the DEB install files. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote: > On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote: >> How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help >> files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there >> FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist. >> Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may >> have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius >> has decided it is unnecessary. >> >> Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04. >> > I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT > > PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too. However, I was able to add a > watermark by doing this: > > 1. Use "Format > Page > Area" menu to access the "Fill" setting. > 2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic" > button to import my image. > 3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting > of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting) > > When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in > full color (no opacity). > > Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer. > > Hope this helps! > > Peace... > > "The Other" Tom > > > The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information: https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/ Peace... "The Other" Tom -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote: > How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help > files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there > FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist. > Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may > have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius > has decided it is unnecessary. > > Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04. > I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT > PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too. However, I was able to add a watermark by doing this: 1. Use "Format > Page > Area" menu to access the "Fill" setting. 2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic" button to import my image. 3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting) When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in full color (no opacity). Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer. Hope this helps! Peace... "The Other" Tom -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo
How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist. Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius has decided it is unnecessary. Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04. -- A smile - is a sign of joy. A hug - is a sign of love. A laugh - is a sign of happiness. May your troubles be less... May your blessings be more... May nothing but happiness come through your door!! Blessings, Joe Conner Joshua 24:15 "...as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
