Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Thanks for this explanations. I will now make the step to 3.5.7On 18.10.2012 18:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems.That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7.The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features!New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0.The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6.Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4.At least that's how i imagine it works.Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lotmore stable.Regards fromTom :) From:anne-ologylaginnis@gmail.comTo:Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comCc:users@global.libreoffice.orgSent:Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3:-)On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried totell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January:they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g.3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutelyfree of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructionsand especially the LibO-Help.Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guidinghow-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expertuser.I cannot agree more.I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7.I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words.--For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.orgProblems?http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Thanks :) [bows] Each time i ask around i seem to get closer to the answer but everyone has their own ideas and many seem to be just plain wrong or wishful thinking. I've kinda distilled it down to what i wrote. 1. It's a moving target 2. The 'best' imo really depends on what you are looking for. For me i think the best for meeting my deadlines is the latest release in the older branch. I've gotten used to the older branch and know what to expect from it. So right now that's the 3.5.7. Fairly soon it's going to be the 3.6.4. Most of work's machines are on 3.5.4 (i think) and that's good enough. So i'll only be using 3.5.7 on my own machine until i get a chance to upgrade them all at the same time. It doesn't matter if i miss the 3.5.7 and end-up upgrading them all to the 3.6.4 as long as i get a quick test drive of that before rolling it out. I like to try to keep them all on the same version but it's not really necessary. Sadly JRE is a tfn. Best to avoid it completely if at all possible. Tools - Options - Java and untick the box. Does anything grumble while using LO? If not then keep it off. If something grumbles about not being able to open or whatever then switch Java on again and re-open whatever it was. Generally it's 'best' for your machine to have the latest Java but they upgrade every month so it's not always possible. Also we have just heard from Stuart from the Accessibility List that some combinations of LO and Java don't allow screen-readers to work properly. Luckily i don't need a screen-reader so i can just keep the latest JRE switched off in the background (in case i ever need it in a hurry). Stuart's post about the Java Access Bridge (JAB) and JRE made me doubly glad i'm not blind. Although if i was i might not have read his post and not be fretting about it now. If you don't need a screen-reader then you don't need the JAB and you can rest easy and probably entirely avoid java altogether. Hmmm, my boss uses Hotmail which seems to demand java for it's login and he has the one from last month so hotmail is now refusing to let him login until he upgrades java. I shouldn't laugh because Yahoo is just as bad really although i'm plesed to find the login doesn't seem to require java. Luckily you can have 2 or more versions of java although it's generally a bad idea. Hopefully your web-browsers and stuff all pick-up on the latest one. You can set which one LO uses from that Tools - Options - Java screen so if you do ever need an older version of java that might be the best way. Best is to just say no ;) Regards from Tom :) From: Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 12:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
As far as Base is concerned, I have not been having any problems with 3.4.6, 3.5.6, nor 3.6.2. (I just installed 3.6.3.2 which is a release candidate. For my personal databases I use the most, I use MySQL as the backend with any of these LO Base versions as the front end. I work with Base 3.6.3.2 for my writing. This database is embedded and contains only sample data (no important data contained in it). As far as JRE, I use 1.6.0_24 (openjdk). LO seems to prefer this. I also use AOO 3.4.1 at times. It seems to prefer the Openjdk 1.7.0_07. The main problem with Base is the potential for data loss when the program is not shutdown properly. This can be avoided by extracting the data from the database file and then use Base to connect to the data. (The data files are extracted to a separate folder.) Unfortunately, it does not improve the speed of Base. --Dan On 10/18/2012 07:15 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Dan, does that data-loss happen when you use MySql? I thought it only happened with the embedded HsqlDb? Regards from Tom :) From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? As far as Base is concerned, I have not been having any problems with 3.4.6, 3.5.6, nor 3.6.2. (I just installed 3.6.3.2 which is a release candidate. For my personal databases I use the most, I use MySQL as the backend with any of these LO Base versions as the front end. I work with Base 3.6.3.2 for my writing. This database is embedded and contains only sample data (no important data contained in it). As far as JRE, I use 1.6.0_24 (openjdk). LO seems to prefer this. I also use AOO 3.4.1 at times. It seems to prefer the Openjdk 1.7.0_07. The main problem with Base is the potential for data loss when the program is not shutdown properly. This can be avoided by extracting the data from the database file and then use Base to connect to the data. (The data files are extracted to a separate folder.) Unfortunately, it does not improve the speed of Base. --Dan On 10/18/2012 07:15 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
You are right: because Base holds all the data in memory until shutdown, embedded HSQLDB databases can loss data if shutdown is not done correctly. MySQL keeps the data stored within its installed folder. Base connects to the MySQL server which accesses the data. The same thing is true for you favorite MySQL replacement (Mariadb). --Dan On 10/18/2012 10:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Dan, does that data-loss happen when you use MySql? I thought it only happened with the embedded HsqlDb? Regards from Tom :) *From:* Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:04 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? As far as Base is concerned, I have not been having any problems with 3.4.6, 3.5.6, nor 3.6.2. (I just installed 3.6.3.2 which is a release candidate. For my personal databases I use the most, I use MySQL as the backend with any of these LO Base versions as the front end. I work with Base 3.6.3.2 for my writing. This database is embedded and contains only sample data (no important data contained in it). As far as JRE, I use 1.6.0_24 (openjdk). LO seems to prefer this. I also use AOO 3.4.1 at times. It seems to prefer the Openjdk 1.7.0_07. The main problem with Base is the potential for data loss when the program is not shutdown properly. This can be avoided by extracting the data from the database file and then use Base to connect to the data. (The data files are extracted to a separate folder.) Unfortunately, it does not improve the speed of Base. --Dan On 10/18/2012 07:15 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com mailto:lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com mailto:reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com mailto:reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems
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Hi :) Phew! :) Thanks Dan. So Postgresql and the rest should be fine too [crosses fingers]. It's good to know i haven't misunderstood or just got it wrong. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? You are right: because Base holds all the data in memory until shutdown, embedded HSQLDB databases can loss data if shutdown is not done correctly. MySQL keeps the data stored within its installed folder. Base connects to the MySQL server which accesses the data. The same thing is true for you favorite MySQL replacement (Mariadb). --Dan On 10/18/2012 10:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Dan, does that data-loss happen when you use MySql? I thought it only happened with the embedded HsqlDb? Regards from Tom :) From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? As far as Base is concerned, I have not been having any problems with 3.4.6, 3.5.6, nor 3.6.2. (I just installed 3.6.3.2 which is a release candidate. For my personal databases I use the most, I use MySQL as the backend with any of these LO Base versions as the front end. I work with Base 3.6.3.2 for my writing. This database is embedded and contains only sample data (no important data contained in it). As far as JRE, I use 1.6.0_24 (openjdk). LO seems to prefer this. I also use AOO 3.4.1 at times. It seems to prefer the Openjdk 1.7.0_07. The main problem with Base is the potential for data loss when the program is not shutdown properly. This can be avoided by extracting the data from the database file and then use Base to connect to the data. (The data files are extracted to a separate folder.) Unfortunately, it does not improve the speed of Base. --Dan On 10/18/2012 07:15 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free
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BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any (re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with the result of an increasing activity on this list. I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) because I have better to do than struggle with problems. I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially regarding Base. It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that reliable usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of versions 3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x Pertti Rönnberg On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote: This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until ALL these bugs are worked out - then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I don't have the hassles of these bugs ;-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest teatim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing option. I also checked the Index Properties and File Contents in the Indexing Option in Windows. When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and odp. Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any workaround? Tea -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi :) Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality. There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement. We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist. Get rid of any that have too much imagination. We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar. They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar. Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!?? Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap. Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky. Post bug reports. Find work-arounds. Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines. The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world? Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day? Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com wrote: From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44 On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an F1 car without considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs are working on new functions and how many on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the ratio of devs working on bugs.Do we want it or not we are compared against MSO. But in MSO we don't know the bugs MS neglects them.On 17.10.2012 17:07, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality.There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement.We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist.Get rid of any that have too much imagination.We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar.They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar.Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!??Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap.Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky.Post bug reports.Find work-arounds.Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines.The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world?Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day?Regards fromTom :)--- OnWed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:From: Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comSubject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?To:users@global.libreoffice.orgDate: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January:they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help.Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user.I cannot agree more.I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7.I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words.-- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.orgProblems?http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there? I like people in here too. I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the world. I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here. We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download, or Well, tons of valid reasons Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com wrote: From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:42 It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an F1 car without considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs are working on new functions and how many on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the ratio of devs working on bugs.Do we want it or not we are compared against MSO. But in MSO we don't know the bugs MS neglects them.On 17.10.2012 17:07, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality.There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement.We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist.Get rid of any that have too much imagination.We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar.They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar.Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!??Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap.Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky.Post bug reports.Find work-arounds.Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines.The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world?Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day?Regards fromTom :)--- OnWed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:From: Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comSubject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?To:users@global.libreoffice.orgDate: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words -- I
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there? I like people in here too. I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the world. I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here. We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) You didn't abuse or misuse the Users List. One of the functions of the list is to signpost people to where they might get better answers. Plus, it does follow on nicely although i think we might have drifted off-topic over the past few posts as we do. Sorry about the Rtf issue. MS created it to ensure compatibility between all different programs on any platform. The key words there are the 1st 3. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:16 Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder. My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not LO. On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked perfect. So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files and the way LO reads them. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Probably best off using Doc in Atlantis. Doc seems to have more chance of being displayed at least nearly correctly in a greater range of different programs. I think it's likely that Odt will begin to replace that within a few years. Again, Doc was created by MS but NOT as a format to increase compatibility between programs! Ooooh the irony. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:45 Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder. My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not LO. On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked perfect. So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files and the way LO reads them. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate
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Just tried it with DOC. It works. It truly is ironic. I've always like RTF precisely because of its relatively wide compatibility. It seems as if RTF has been rendered obsolete and irrelevant. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:12 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Probably best off using Doc in Atlantis. Doc seems to have more chance of being displayed at least nearly correctly in a greater range of different programs. I think it's likely that Odt will begin to replace that within a few years. Again, Doc was created by MS but NOT as a format to increase compatibility between programs! Ooooh the irony. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:45 Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder. My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not LO. On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked perfect. So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files and the way LO reads them. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files
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and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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very good points. I do like the idea of having 2: the reliable one for use and the newest version for testing. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality. There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement. We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist. Get rid of any that have too much imagination. We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar. They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar. Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!?? Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap. Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky. Post bug reports. Find work-arounds. Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines. The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world? Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day? Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44 On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Yes, I think we both (and I am sure that there are many more) want the same thing: LO being successful and known as the best Office package and available also for people who just cannot afford to buy an Office package. I also understand that devs are easier to get for programming new features because this frontier work. I can understand this very well because I used to work on frontier work myself for many years. However, I also learned that things must be made stable. My business now is nothing else but making operations stable. Coming from that point of view I only can encourage devs to put in all their pride in getting LO branches stable ASAP. I feel good when I get an operation stable and a dev can feel the same way. It might even be harder to get bugs out because it must first be understood what causes the bug. If I would learn about a dev who removed a bug I reported, I thank him personally! (If there is a list where I can see it, I appreciate a lot information on where such a list is published on the web.) I can not contribute more than bug reporting. I do this for all bugs I find and which I can document somehow. It takes me a lot of time - a loss in my productivity - but I am willing to do so. My small contribution to the LO project which I like. Currently I only can do this for my production version (3.5.6.2). But I would actually like to run 2 versions on my PC: a stable one with almost no bugs, and a newer one with new features and bugs. (This idea was expressed already by Tom, anne-ology and maybe some other as well.) By doing so I can use time for searching bugs in the newer version, and when I am very busy (= I need a high productivity) I can just use the stable version. For me such a possibility would push the LO project forward at very high speed. The success of SW is a combination of features and stability (= productivity increase). This means the right balance is needed. The right balance of dev power for new feature compared to dev power to fix bugs is the trick task which need to be done. On 17.10.2012 18:51, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there? I like people in here too. I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the world. I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here. We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download, or Well, tons of valid reasons Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com wrote: From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:42 It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an F1 car without considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs are working on new functions and how many on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the ratio
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This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until ALL these bugs are worked out - then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I don't have the hassles of these bugs ;-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest teatim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing option. I also checked the Index Properties and File Contents in the Indexing Option in Windows. When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and odp. Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any workaround? Tea -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi :) There are always bugs in any software. Of course there are less new bugs in older versions but then you start running into theoretical security issues. The 3.5.0 dealt with one of those so it might not be best to stay with 3.4.x forever. On the other hand there are almost no reports of the theoretical risk actually getting targeted. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Tea teatim...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 15:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until ALL these bugs are worked out - then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I don't have the hassles of these bugs ;-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest teatim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing option. I also checked the Index Properties and File Contents in the Indexing Option in Windows. When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and odp. Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any workaround? Tea -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing option. I also checked the Index Properties and File Contents in the Indexing Option in Windows. When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and odp. Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any workaround? Tea -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Indexing-for-Search-not-working-tp4013483.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
