Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tim Lungstrom]

On 07/17/2017 06:07 PM, Concerned Citizen wrote:

AMD processors run hot. This is not news. Most software is biased towards
Intel in optimizations so your AMD CPU will be taxed while an Atom
processor will provide more efficient processing. This is very noticeable
during media tasks and sustained CPU loads, where AMD will thermally cap
and throttle more quickly.


The problem system is a quad core Intel cpu laptop.  My desktop is an 
older quad core AMD cpu.


When MS Windows 10 runs on the Intel laptop, it overheats running almost 
anything. The Linux partition does not overheat unless highly taxed like 
running multiple video format conversions at the same time.



I personally believe Microsoft optimizes for Intel while all but ignoring
AMD. That's what it feels like when I go between comparable systems using
different CPU. The AMD always runs hotter and throttles much faster. You
can hear this on systems with fans.
I do not know anything about MS's bias, but the laptop's Intel cores run 
much hotter than when running Ubuntu Linux.  My quad core desktop has a 
lot fans in the case due to the simple fact that with 4 hard drives, and 
1 DVD burner, the case is now a little cramped even - even though there 
are enough drive racks to handle 2 more drives. So I added a fan in the 
top most optical drive opening to help suck out the heat better.


My quad Intel laptop has only 2 "air ports" [Asus's name for them]. I do 
not feel any heat coming out of either one while running Windows or Linux.

I figured that was the case, and that is why I asked about the CPU. My AMD
laptop cannot play 1080p 60FPS without dropping frames (SSD and 8GB Ram...
Quad Core).  Sometimes the machine will crash. My atom tablet plays 120FPS
1080p like they're VGA video video files - flawlessly.

There is a huge efficiency gap between Intel and AMD.
I have 3 different working laptops, and two working tablets.  The 
laptops have different Drive, CPU, and RAM setup.  Only the newest [quad 
core Intel and 8 GB RAM] has the overheating problem with Windows 10.


The oldest tablet is a true Nook tablet instead of a standard tablet 
using the Nook packages.  The surprise is the Nook has a better 
resolution with their 7 inch display over the newer 10 inch display.



As far as I'm concerned AMD processors aren't worth any savings they
provide and I will never buy another matching with an AMD CPU/APU, ever.
They're terrible, especially in notebooks.

Windows is not the problem here, in my opinion.

DOCX is deprecated. Have person install compatibility pack and set default
to OOXML in their office apps.
The problem here is the agencies that are sent the document files, along 
with me and others, have different versions of Word or not using Word at 
all - like me.  The IT people in each agency have a list of mandated 
packages to be installed on their systems and the users - the lady who 
creates the docs - are not allowed to install any other software or 
patched.  Some of these agencies have disabled the use of USB drives of 
any size, or even CDs/DVDs, due to system security mandates.


I have been using LibreOffice since the first version.  LO replaced my 
OpenOffice.org package.  I was using my quad core desktop and Ubuntu 
9.10 at that time - or was it 10.04. My last version of MS Office was 
2003.I never looked back.

Can't comment on update and upgrade issues beyond what I have done already.
There are too many variables that can cause breakage and failure, and they
aren't all to do with Windows itself.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Virgil Arrington]

To be fair, I don"t think Concerned Citizen said he still used NT4, only that 
Windows has used the same method to control permissions since NT4.

That said, since I accidently erased Windows from my computer last year, I 
haven't missed it.

Virgil



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 Original message 
From: Tim-L--Elmira-NY <webmas...@krackedpress.com>
Date: 7/17/17 10:16 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use
Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux
can tell you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers
are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are
reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that
LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course,
LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such complex that only
0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will use. There were special
"classes" on these very complex options/functions.  One year there was
an announcement that the new version have over 1000 new functions over
the previous version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package
to due it all".

On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:
> Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.
>
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
>
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <lagin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
>> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>>if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>>
>>     And just what is NT4???
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
>> To: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>
>>
>> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
>> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
>> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
>> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
>> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>>
>> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
>> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
>> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
>> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
>> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
>> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
>> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
>> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
>> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
>> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>>
>> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
>> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
>> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
>> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
>> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
>> exhibiting, here?
>>
>> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
>> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
>> that way 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Concerned Citizen]

t; than MS Office's Word.
> Of course, LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such
> complex that only 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will
> use. There were special "classes" on these very complex
> options/functions.  One year there was an announcement that the
> new version have over 1000 new functions over the previous
> version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package to due
> it all".
>
>
> On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:
>
> Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to
> cause problems.
>
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ibeconcer...@gmail.com>>
>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com <mailto:lagin...@gmail.com>>
>
>
>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
>
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate
> channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage
> emails from
> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <lagin...@gmail.com
> <mailto:lagin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to
> MsFt's heads with
>
>     problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you
> so did.
>
> And just what is NT4???
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ibeconcer...@gmail.com>>
>
> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com <mailto:tomc...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>
>
>
>
> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue
> and, perhaps,
> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...
>  This is
> particularly interesting, since I don't remember
> LibreOffice being a
> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as
> many scripting
> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>
> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite
> on both Windows
> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware
> Acceleration and
> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on
> a Notebook on
> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic
> performance issues on my
> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts
> (disappears when I
> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering
> in the
> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something
> on a low res
> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform
> worse than both
> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I
> own, so I can do
> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>
> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly
> off-topic, and I'm
> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft
> and Microsoft
> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time,
> and do you actually
> wish this to be a place where people can have civil
> discussion and give
> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition"
> reflex you're
> exhibiting, here?
>
> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top
> level and simply
> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not
> difficult.  It's worked
> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies
> <tomc...@gmail.com <mailto:tomc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person
> rarely compares with
>

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Concerned Citizen]

ffice, remember there
> are problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is
> different between the various MS Office version with the newest
> version of .docx formatted documents can not be opened/viewed
> properly with the earlier versions of Office with .docx
>
> Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect. Our
> developers are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any
> issues that are reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good
> thing is that LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word.
> Of course, LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such
> complex that only 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will
> use. There were special "classes" on these very complex
> options/functions.  One year there was an announcement that the
> new version have over 1000 new functions over the previous
> version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package to due
> it all".
>
>
> On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:
>
> Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to
> cause problems.
>
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ibeconcer...@gmail.com>>
>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com <mailto:lagin...@gmail.com>>
>
>
>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
>
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate
> channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage
> emails from
> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <lagin...@gmail.com
> <mailto:lagin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to
> MsFt's heads with
>
>     problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you
> so did.
>
> And just what is NT4???
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ibeconcer...@gmail.com>>
>
> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com <mailto:tomc...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>
>
>
>
> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue
> and, perhaps,
> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...
>  This is
> particularly interesting, since I don't remember
> LibreOffice being a
> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as
> many scripting
> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>
> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite
> on both Windows
> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware
> Acceleration and
> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on
> a Notebook on
> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic
> performance issues on my
> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts
> (disappears when I
> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering
> in the
> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something
> on a low res
> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform
> worse than both
> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I
> own, so I can do
> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>
> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly
> off-topic, and I'm
> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft
> and Microsoft
> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time,
> and do you actually
> wish this to be a place where people can have civil
> discussion and give
> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition"
> reflex you're
> exhibiting, here?
>
> For fix

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Girvin Herr]

On 07/17/2017 12:16 PM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:


I am having trouble with my Feb 2010 AMD quad core desktop.  It 
started out as Ubuntu 9.10.  I now have it set up for 14.04LTS. The 
big issue with going beyond that - i.e. 16.04 - is the fact that the 
upgrade craps out during the install process.  I have to have 13.10 or 
earlier to get my Canon MG6220 drivers to work. Then I get to 
update/upgrade it to 14.04LTS.  Then I must stop or crash the install 
and have problems with GRUB thinking that it had a good install for 
16.04 when it does not work at all.  At least now I have very little 
on the 250 GB OS's drive that gets lost.  I stopped using it for 
emails after that.  It is just a files server now - sort of.



Have you tried linuxquestions.org for support?
http://www.linuxquestions.org/
I use Slackware, not Ubuntu, but I have gotten some good support from lq 
in the past on a problem or two that stumped me. They may be able to 
help you with your upgrade installation.


To say something in support of software driver developers, I can imagine 
it is a daunting task to continue to support old hardware. Much of it is 
long gone to the trash collection or electronic recycling - especially 
mechanical devices that wear out, and driver developers probably no 
longer have an instance of a particular piece of old hardware to test 
their drivers with. Even if they had, the quantity of different devices 
and models could become a time-consuming task to test each and every 
one. In this day of new stuff coming on the market quickly, obsoleting a 
previous version, I imagine it is quite difficult to keep supporting the 
old stuff and some things slip through the cracks.


That said, I have quite a lot of old stuff and sympathize with what you 
are saying. I am satisfied with not buying the latest gadget as soon as 
it comes on the market and tossing out something that is still working. 
I always remember the wise words of Adam Osborne: "He, who lives on the 
cutting edge of technology, gets sliced to bits!"


Girvin Herr


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

I am having trouble with my Feb 2010 AMD quad core desktop.  It started 
out as Ubuntu 9.10.  I now have it set up for 14.04LTS. The big issue 
with going beyond that - i.e. 16.04 - is the fact that the upgrade craps 
out during the install process.  I have to have 13.10 or earlier to get 
my Canon MG6220 drivers to work. Then I get to update/upgrade it to 
14.04LTS.  Then I must stop or crash the install and have problems with 
GRUB thinking that it had a good install for 16.04 when it does not work 
at all.  At least now I have very little on the 250 GB OS's drive that 
gets lost.  I stopped using it for emails after that.  It is just a 
files server now - sort of.


As for MS Office - well I had one lady make her Word documents as .doc 
files.  Between me and all the people the documents go to uses every 
version from 2007 to the version out two years ago. Then there is me who 
has not used MS Office since 2003, used OpenOffice.org and then 
LibreOffice since then, prefer the .doc format over the .docx format.


That is what you get with the current marketing practice, make it so 
that you cannot get proper working drivers in Windows after a few years, 
so you have to keep buying new printers, etc., every few years even if 
the printer is still running great.  It is really a problem with Windows 
10 to get my Canon printers [old and new] working with all of their 
options.  Win10 wants "their" drivers instead of what the printer 
installs.  It is even worse to get an all-in-one printer's scanning 
functions [all of them] to show up in the scanning "app", if the 
printer's scanning ability is actually registered in the Device's window.


On 07/17/2017 12:48 PM, Concerned Citizen wrote:
That's just true. Only time documents don't render elements is when 
you use features only in the new version. Microsoft back ports format 
support. It's not an issue. Office 2007/10 documents opened with no 
issues in Office XP/2003, save for the above named issue.


Using new version quickly after release on older hardware is always an 
issue due to drivers. The OS is new and often developers and OEMs 
don't have the updates out. This exists for all OSes. My Razer 
peripherals didn't function for weeks after the macks Sierra update 
because Razer didn't have their driver updates ready.


Vista had many driver level changes, and people moving from 98/Me to 
2000/XP had even greater issues with both software and hardware.


That's all pretty much expected.

I used RH Enterprise Linux WS back then. My device drivers (especially 
graphics) broke on version upgrades while I waited for ATI to get a 
new package out, and this still happens with system upgrades that 
change things like the Kernel or X.Org.


On Jul 17, 2017 10:17 AM, "Tim-L--Elmira-NY" 
<webmas...@krackedpress.com <mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> wrote:


I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I
have had trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were
new.  Even with fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That
is one reason I use Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment. 
Even people who use Linux can tell you that there are some issues

using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there
are problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is
different between the various MS Office version with the newest
version of .docx formatted documents can not be opened/viewed
properly with the earlier versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect. Our
developers are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any
issues that are reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good
thing is that LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word.
Of course, LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such
complex that only 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will
use. There were special "classes" on these very complex
options/functions.  One year there was an announcement that the
new version have over 1000 new functions over the previous
version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package to due
it all".


On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:

Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to
cause problems.




From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com
<mailto:ibeconcer...@gmail.com>>
    Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com <mailto:lagin...@gmail.com>>


Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.

And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate
channels.
Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage
 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Concerned Citizen]

Would be interesting to know what kind of CPU the PC has. And no one should
be running manual Defrag on a Windows PC. It's sets up its own task to do
that when the PC is idle on install. It does the same for Trim on SSDs (or
your driver package will do it - Intel and Samsung Do).

I have a $149 Intel Atom tablet that plays 4K without the heat problems, so
I frankly don't believe what this other person is saying. Some AMD CPU may
produce a bit more heat, but my laptop with an AMD APU never has this issue
on 8.1 or 10.

On Jul 15, 2017 11:25 AM, "Tom Davies"  wrote:

> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> the problems that abound on Windows.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams"  wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > places i volunteer at.
> >
> > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> > to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> > However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> > read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> > editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> > and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> >This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> > about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> > and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> > and LibreOffice.(I have since installed the latest update to
> > LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> > However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for
> > your advice and a remedy
> > > regards
> > > M. Hely
> > >
> > I have two basic questions:
> >
> >  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> > before attempting to open it?
> >  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> > email
> > attachment?
> >
> >
> > These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> > to ask
> > anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> systems
> > and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
> >
> > Peace...
> >
> > "The Other" Tom
> >
> > --
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Concerned Citizen]

That's just true. Only time documents don't render elements is when you use
features only in the new version. Microsoft back ports format support. It's
not an issue. Office 2007/10 documents opened with no issues in Office
XP/2003, save for the above named issue.

Using new version quickly after release on older hardware is always an
issue due to drivers. The OS is new and often developers and OEMs don't
have the updates out. This exists for all OSes. My Razer peripherals didn't
function for weeks after the macks Sierra update because Razer didn't have
their driver updates ready.

Vista had many driver level changes, and people moving from 98/Me to
2000/XP had even greater issues with both software and hardware.

That's all pretty much expected.

I used RH Enterprise Linux WS back then. My device drivers (especially
graphics) broke on version upgrades while I waited for ATI to get a new
package out, and this still happens with system upgrades that change things
like the Kernel or X.Org.

On Jul 17, 2017 10:17 AM, "Tim-L--Elmira-NY" <webmas...@krackedpress.com>
wrote:

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use Ubuntu
Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux can tell
you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers are
volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are reported
in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that LibreOffice is less
"complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course, LibreOffice's Writer was not
designed to do such complex that only 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market
users will use. There were special "classes" on these very complex
options/functions.  One year there was an announcement that the new version
have over 1000 new functions over the previous version.  LibreOffice was
not designed to be "one package to due it all".


On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:

> Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause
> problems.
>
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
>
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <lagin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads
> with
>
>> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>>if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>>
>>     And just what is NT4???
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
>> To: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>
>>
>> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
>> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
>> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
>> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
>> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>>
>> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
>> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
>> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
>> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on
>> my
>> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
>> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
>> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
>> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
>> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
>> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>>
>> I won't even talk about 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

I do not have that choice. I have to have Windows for some of the 
packages that do not have a Linux substitute - yet.  All three laptops 
have a Widows 10 partition and one for Ubuntu 16.04.  If I can, the 
Linux partition is larger than Windows.  I have been using Ubuntu Linux 
since Feb. 2010 as my default OS.


Here is a weird problem with Windows.  I has to wipe its 1 TB drive and 
start from scratch.  I installed a fresh install of Windows 10, with all 
of the needed hardware drivers, and then Ubuntu 16.04 on the largest 
partition.  When I use Windows for simple things like running a defrag, 
package install or even play a YouTube video, the quad core overheats to 
170+ degrees and higher.  On the other hand using the Linux partition, I 
can do anything from kernel updating to multiple YouTube video downloads 
while viewing a 1080p music video and not go above 140 or 150 degrees.


On 07/17/2017 11:04 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
To be fair, I don"t think Concerned Citizen said he still used NT4, 
only that Windows has used the same method to control permissions 
since NT4.


That said, since I accidently erased Windows from my computer last 
year, I haven't missed it.


Virgil



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: Tim-L--Elmira-NY <webmas...@krackedpress.com>
Date: 7/17/17 10:16 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use
Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux
can tell you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows 
does.


As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers
are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are
reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that
LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course,
LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such complex that only
0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will use. There were special
"classes" on these very complex options/functions.  One year there was
an announcement that the new version have over 1000 new functions over
the previous version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package
to due it all".

On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:
> Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause 
problems.

>
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
>
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage 
emails from

> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <lagin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's 
heads with

>> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>>if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>>
>>     And just what is NT4???
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
>> To: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>
>>
>> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
>> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
>> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
>> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many 
scripting

>> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>>
>> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both 
Windows

>> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
>> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
>> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance 
issues on my

>> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
>> change font to Times or

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had 
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with 
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use 
Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux 
can tell you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.


As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are 
problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different 
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx 
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier 
versions of Office with .docx


Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers 
are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are 
reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that 
LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course, 
LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such complex that only 
0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will use. There were special 
"classes" on these very complex options/functions.  One year there was 
an announcement that the new version have over 1000 new functions over 
the previous version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package 
to due it all".


On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:

Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.




From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com>


Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.

And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
everyone themselves. No business that large does that.



On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <lagin...@gmail.com> wrote:

Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with

problems & these will be fixed pronto;
   if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.

And just what is NT4???



From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org


I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).



On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi :)
One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
the problems that abound on Windows.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <tomd...@comcast.net> wrote:

On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
places i volunteer at.

I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.

Regards from
Tom :)

Wow. Craziness.   :)

Peace...

"The Other" Tom






On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <tomd...@comcast.net
<mailto:tomd...@comcast.net>> wrote:

 On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY w

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry i've been afk today.  Hopefully someone else can help.

Apols and regards from
Tom :)

On 16 Jul 2017 18:41, "MICHAEL HELY" <mhmh...@btinternet.com> wrote:

thanks!

i would be grateful for advice on file permissions.I am in my 80s, and
there is never a teenager when you need one!

the problem has changed!   yesterday I updated to version 5.3.4.2.this
installed properly, but there is no LibreOffice desktop icon, and I can
only open documents using WordPro.this is generally OK;  I can amend or
edit, store, etc, but some of my docs are in landscape, and WordPro opens
these in portrait.the right hand side of the document is not
available.   if you can tell me how to get the LibreOffice icon so I can
open in LibreOffice I would be grateful

thanks for your help and advice

regards

m. hely

Original message
From : tomc...@gmail.com
Date : 15/07/2017 - 21:54 (GMTST)
To : mhmh...@btinternet.com
Cc : users@global.libreoffice.org

Subject : Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

Hi :)
Please let us know if you have managed to fix this problem yet or if you
are still having problems.

If you would like more detail on how to change file-permissions please
ask.  Given your skill level with Win 10 it's likely you already know.  I
know up to Win7 and although 8, 8.1 and 10 are probably the same i'd prefer
to check it works before assuming 10 is the same.

If you tried resetting permissions and it doesn't appear to be that then
please let us know because it's not been a problem in LibreOffice, nor
OpenOffice, afaik before and we would like to explore the potential for it
happening again.  Alternatively if it has happened before and is just
extremely rare then someone else might have a ready answer for you this
time.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 8 Jul 2017 23:13, "MICHAEL HELY" <mhmh...@btinternet.com> wrote:

I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open,
amend, and save a document without any problem.However, in the last
week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the
contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different
name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with
my filing system. This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the
same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be
some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.(I have
since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the
problem is still there).However that is only a wild guess! I would
be grateful for your advice and a remedy
regards
M. Hely

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[anne-ology]

   Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.




From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com>


Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.

And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
everyone themselves. No business that large does that.



On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <lagin...@gmail.com> wrote:

   Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>   if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>
>And just what is NT4???
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>
>
> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>
> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>
> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
> exhibiting, here?
>
> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> > the problems that abound on Windows.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> > On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <tomd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > Hi :)
> > > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > > places i volunteer at.
> > >
> > > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> > >
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
> >
> > Wow. Craziness.   :)
> >
> > Peace...
> >
> > "The Other" Tom
>
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <tomd...@comcast.net
> > > <mailto:tomd...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > > > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> > > to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> > > However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> > > read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> > > editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> > > and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> > >This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > > > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> > > about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> > > and there might be 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tim Lloyd]

Hi,

this list is about helping LO users with problems and you seem to have a 
few. Would you care to share any more detail? Have you logged these to 
the bugzilla?


Cheers


On 16/07/17 03:36, Concerned Citizen wrote:

I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:


Hi :)
One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
the problems that abound on Windows.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams"  wrote:

On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
places i volunteer at.

I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.

Regards from
Tom :)

Wow. Craziness.   :)

Peace...

"The Other" Tom



On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams > wrote:

 On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
 > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
 to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
 However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
 read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
 editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
 and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
 > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
 about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
 and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
 and LibreOffice.(I have since installed the latest update to
 LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
 However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for
 your advice and a remedy
 > regards
 > M. Hely
 >
 I have two basic questions:

  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
 before attempting to open it?
  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
 email
 attachment?


 These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
 to ask
 anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10

systems

 and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.

 Peace...

 "The Other" Tom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tom Williams]

On 07/15/2017 03:56 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>   if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>
>And just what is NT4???

"NT4" = Windows NT version 4   

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[anne-ology]

   Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
problems & these will be fixed pronto;
  if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.

   And just what is NT4???



From: Concerned Citizen <ibeconcer...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org


I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).



On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> the problems that abound on Windows.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <tomd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > places i volunteer at.
> >
> > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom



> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <tomd...@comcast.net
> > <mailto:tomd...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> >
> > On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> > to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> > However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> > read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> > editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> > and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> >This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> > about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> > and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> > and LibreOffice.(I have since installed the latest update to
> > LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> > However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for
> > your advice and a remedy
> > > regards
> > > M. Hely
> > >
> > I have two basic questions:
> >
> >  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> > before attempting to open it?
> >  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> > email
> > attachment?
> >
> >
> > These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> > to ask
> > anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> systems
> > and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
> >
> > Peace...
> >
> > "The Other" Tom
> >

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Please let us know if you have managed to fix this problem yet or if you
are still having problems.

If you would like more detail on how to change file-permissions please
ask.  Given your skill level with Win 10 it's likely you already know.  I
know up to Win7 and although 8, 8.1 and 10 are probably the same i'd prefer
to check it works before assuming 10 is the same.

If you tried resetting permissions and it doesn't appear to be that then
please let us know because it's not been a problem in LibreOffice, nor
OpenOffice, afaik before and we would like to explore the potential for it
happening again.  Alternatively if it has happened before and is just
extremely rare then someone else might have a ready answer for you this
time.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 8 Jul 2017 23:13, "MICHAEL HELY"  wrote:

I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open,
amend, and save a document without any problem.However, in the last
week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the
contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different
name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with
my filing system. This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the
same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be
some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.(I have
since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the
problem is still there).However that is only a wild guess! I would
be grateful for your advice and a remedy
regards
M. Hely

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The request for help was about a problem that other people had after a
Windows update.  The person asking for help stated that they were using
Windows.

Solving a problem often requires pinpointing where the problem is to some
extent.  Sometimes it means trying a few things out.  In this particular
request for help the problem is typically the result of a full or flaky
hard-drive or a problem with the OS.  At this time, and given the
skill-level of the question we can probably rule-out 'obvious' hard-drive
problems.

So it made sense, in this case, to start pinpointing the issue by seeing if
fixing the folder's permissions in the OS solved the problem.

Apparently it did.  So it wasn't a LibreOffice problem (again) and was a
Windows problem (again).  LibreOffice often gets the blame when the problem
is really with Windows or MS Office.  Very few of the problems that people
ask about here have anything to do with LibreOffice itself but we usually
still manage to help fix the problem.

When there is a problem with Windows or MS Office users tend to blame
themselves for not updating enough, or updating too much or not having
bought the right version, or feeling like they should know better or that
they should have done some course or something or that they aren't using
the 'right' antivirus or that it must be because they are misusing the
computer somehow.  A lot of traditional technical support tends to
reinforce that "blame the user" culture or else they blame any
non-Microsoft thing or anything they are not familiar with.  By contrast we
tend to get the blame for just about anything however tenuous the link is
between LibreOffice and the problem.

So this wasn't about "Windows bashing".  It was about solving a problem
that happened in Windows and that appears to have happened to several other
people recently in Windows because of a recent Microsoft update.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 15 Jul 2017 18:36, "Concerned Citizen"  wrote:

I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> the problems that abound on Windows.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams"  wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > places i volunteer at.
> >
> > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> > to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> > However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> > read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> > editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> > and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Concerned Citizen]

I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> the problems that abound on Windows.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams"  wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > places i volunteer at.
> >
> > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> > to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> > However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> > read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> > editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> > and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> >This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> > about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> > and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> > and LibreOffice.(I have since installed the latest update to
> > LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> > However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for
> > your advice and a remedy
> > > regards
> > > M. Hely
> > >
> > I have two basic questions:
> >
> >  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> > before attempting to open it?
> >  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> > email
> > attachment?
> >
> >
> > These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> > to ask
> > anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> systems
> > and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
> >
> > Peace...
> >
> > "The Other" Tom
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
the problems that abound on Windows.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams"  wrote:

On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> places i volunteer at.
>
> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)

Wow. Craziness.   :)

Peace...

"The Other" Tom
>
>
>
> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams  > wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
>This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> and LibreOffice.(I have since installed the latest update to
> LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for
> your advice and a remedy
> > regards
> > M. Hely
> >
> I have two basic questions:
>
>  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> before attempting to open it?
>  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> email
> attachment?
>
>
> These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> to ask
> anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
> and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tom Williams]

On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :) 
> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> places i volunteer at. 
>
> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally. 
> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows. 
>
> Regards from
> Tom :) 

Wow. Craziness.   :)

Peace...

"The Other" Tom
>
>
>
> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams  > wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.   
> However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system. 
>This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> and LibreOffice.(I have since installed the latest update to
> LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).   
> However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for
> your advice and a remedy
> > regards
> > M. Hely
> >
> I have two basic questions:
>
>  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> before attempting to open it?
>  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> email
> attachment?
>
>
> These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> to ask
> anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
> and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Girvin Herr]

Tom,

Not just windows. I had a similar problem with, I can't remember if it 
was LibreOffice or OpenOffice on Linux years ago. After I installed it 
as root, I discovered the system directory permissions were all changed 
to 400 or some such - which means only the owner (root) can read them - 
no write or execute for anybody. Needless to say, that brought my system 
down and I too, had to do a lot of manual file permission changes. Thank 
goodness for the "-R" argument to "chmod" to change all recursively. 
From then on, I always build/package programs as a normal user first, 
not root. That way I get a lot of "Permission Denied" messages if some 
package installation is ill-behaved. My packaging scripts also change 
all package file permissions and owners to sane values before it is 
packaged. Since I instituted this policy, I have not had my system 
compromised by bad packages, and I build hundreds of them. Once bitten, 
twice shy.


Girvin Herr



On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
places i volunteer at.

I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very inefficient and
highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.  Still, 'everyone'
loves Windows.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams  wrote:


On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:

I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to

open, amend, and save a document without any problem.However, in the
last week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change
the contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different
name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with
my filing system. This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.

The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the

same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be
some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.(I have
since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the
problem is still there).However that is only a wild guess! I would
be grateful for your advice and a remedy

regards
M. Hely


I have two basic questions:

  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
 before attempting to open it?
  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an email
 attachment?


These are things you have probably already thought of but I want to ask
anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.

Peace...

"The Other" Tom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
places i volunteer at.

I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very inefficient and
highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.  Still, 'everyone'
loves Windows.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams  wrote:

> On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to
> open, amend, and save a document without any problem.However, in the
> last week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change
> the contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different
> name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with
> my filing system. This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the
> same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be
> some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.(I have
> since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the
> problem is still there).However that is only a wild guess! I would
> be grateful for your advice and a remedy
> > regards
> > M. Hely
> >
> I have two basic questions:
>
>  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> before attempting to open it?
>  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an email
> attachment?
>
>
> These are things you have probably already thought of but I want to ask
> anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
> and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tom Williams]

On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open, 
> amend, and save a document without any problem.However, in the last week 
> or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the contents 
> I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different name, delete 
> the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing 
> system. This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the same 
> time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be some 
> incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.(I have since 
> installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is 
> still there).However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful 
> for your advice and a remedy
> regards
> M. Hely
>
I have two basic questions:

 1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
before attempting to open it?
 2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an email
attachment?


These are things you have probably already thought of but I want to ask
anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.

Peace...

"The Other" Tom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

On 07/08/2017 05:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:

I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open, 
amend, and save a document without any problem.However, in the last week or 
so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the contents I 
have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different name, delete the 
original, and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system. 
This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the same 
time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be some 
incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.(I have since 
installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is 
still there).However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for 
your advice and a remedy
regards
M. Hely



I have not done this with Windows, but I know it works with Linux.

I would look into the "config" folder. If some configuration value is 
set wrong, like opening as read-only instead of editable,  you will need 
to have LibreOffice restore the config files to their default status.  
When LibreOffice installs, it creates certain folders. If some of these 
folders are renamed, LibreOffice will try to replace them on its startup.


"Users/timothy/Application Data/LibreOffice/4/user/config"

In this folder location, "timothy" will be replaced with your user name 
that you log into Windows 10 with.


What you should try is renaming the "config" folder to something like 
"config-backup". Then open LibreOffice.  See if the read-only issue is 
fixed.  If not, then it is some other folder than the config folder.


I know there was a simple set of documentation describing the specific 
folder that may need to be "renamed", but I do not remember its location 
online.




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[libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[MICHAEL HELY]

I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open, 
amend, and save a document without any problem.However, in the last week or 
so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the contents I 
have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different name, delete the 
original, and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system. 
This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the same 
time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be some 
incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.(I have since 
installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is 
still there).However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for 
your advice and a remedy
regards
M. Hely

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