[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-12-05 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 03/12/2016 à 07:33, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) a écrit :

> Wonder when LO is going to follow Minecraft's example for items such as
> Base?
> 
> 


Although, actually, there is still the ReportBuilder to rewrite in C++
or find an alterative with a compatible licence that could be used instead.

Additionally, all of those legacy hsqldb-embedded ODB files will still
need to be supported, or a way found to allow them to be converted to
the new embedded db engine seamlessly/painlessly. This particular topic
is being debated on the dev list as I write.


Alex





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-12-05 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 03/12/2016 à 07:33, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) a écrit :

> 
> Wonder when LO is going to follow Minecraft's example for items such as
> Base?
> 


When it no longer relies on a Java db engine as its default backend for
the ODB file.

Currently the shift to Firebird3 as the future embedded default for ODB
files is a work in progress.


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-11-29 Thread Keith Barber
Thank you Alex... more involved than I thought.  No time for the next 
couple of days, but Base is sitting open and seemingly working so I'll 
do what I need then go looking for trouble :-)


Now all I need to do is remember how to tell what bitness of LO I have!

Cheers,
K

On 29/11/2016 14:29, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 28/11/2016 à 23:05, Keith Barber a écrit :

Hi Keith,


Thank you for this Alex.  Not sure I'm computerate enough to know the
difference between a JDK and a JRE.  However, I do have 2 JREs
installed, a 32-bit and a 64-bit.



JREs have an automatic update mechanism which checks to see whether
you're at the latest release version, and offers to install it for you.

JDKs do not have this automatic update mechanism - it is up to the user
to go and look from time to time to see if an update is available.

JDKs are the complete Java Development Kit, as opposed to JREs which are
a Java Runtime Environment.

Basically, if you have automatic updates to Java, then you have JREs
installed.

These will no longer work correctly with current release versions
(5.2.x) of LibreOffice and Base (embedded hsqldb) files - you will need
to switch to a JDK for that. It is also better in principle to use a bit
version of the JDK that corresponds to the bit version of LibreOffice
you are using. If your are using a 64bit version of LibreOffice, then
download and install a 64bit version of the Java Development Kit
available from Oracle.




Alex







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-11-29 Thread leleu

Je la 29/11/2016 16:21, Dave skribis :
Hi Alex, Is this an issue exclusive to the Mac edition? I am using the 
current version (5.2.3 x64) of Base on both 64bit Linux and Windows 
with JRE only and have not encountered any problem. Based on the mail 
headers of the previous posts in this thread, they appear to come from 
Windows users. Dave
As a confirmation Linux Ubuntu 16.10 lo 5.2.2.2 and the associated JRE 
2.1.8_57 ubuntu1


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-11-29 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 29/11/2016 à 16:21, Dave a écrit :

Hi Dave,

The MacOS problem is one of the issues, but there have also been reports
of Base (5.2.x) not working correctly on Windows correctly with a JRE,
hence my recommendation to switch to a JDK. If it still works for you
with a 64bit JRE, then so much the better ;-)


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-11-29 Thread Dave
On 29.11.2016 15:29, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
> Le 28/11/2016 à 23:05, Keith Barber a écrit :
>
> Hi Keith,
>
>> Thank you for this Alex.  Not sure I'm computerate enough to know the
>> difference between a JDK and a JRE.  However, I do have 2 JREs
>> installed, a 32-bit and a 64-bit.
>>
> JREs have an automatic update mechanism which checks to see whether
> you're at the latest release version, and offers to install it for you.
>
> JDKs do not have this automatic update mechanism - it is up to the user
> to go and look from time to time to see if an update is available.
>
> JDKs are the complete Java Development Kit, as opposed to JREs which are
> a Java Runtime Environment.
>
> Basically, if you have automatic updates to Java, then you have JREs
> installed.
>
> These will no longer work correctly with current release versions
> (5.2.x) of LibreOffice and Base (embedded hsqldb) files - you will need
> to switch to a JDK for that. It is also better in principle to use a bit
> version of the JDK that corresponds to the bit version of LibreOffice
> you are using. If your are using a 64bit version of LibreOffice, then
> download and install a 64bit version of the Java Development Kit
> available from Oracle.
>
> Alex

Hi Alex,

Is this an issue exclusive to the Mac edition? I am using the current
version (5.2.3 x64) of  Base on both 64bit Linux and Windows with JRE
only and have not encountered any problem. Based on the mail headers of
the previous posts in this thread, they appear to come from Windows  users.

Dave

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-11-29 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 28/11/2016 à 23:05, Keith Barber a écrit :

Hi Keith,

> Thank you for this Alex.  Not sure I'm computerate enough to know the
> difference between a JDK and a JRE.  However, I do have 2 JREs
> installed, a 32-bit and a 64-bit.
> 

JREs have an automatic update mechanism which checks to see whether
you're at the latest release version, and offers to install it for you.

JDKs do not have this automatic update mechanism - it is up to the user
to go and look from time to time to see if an update is available.

JDKs are the complete Java Development Kit, as opposed to JREs which are
a Java Runtime Environment.

Basically, if you have automatic updates to Java, then you have JREs
installed.

These will no longer work correctly with current release versions
(5.2.x) of LibreOffice and Base (embedded hsqldb) files - you will need
to switch to a JDK for that. It is also better in principle to use a bit
version of the JDK that corresponds to the bit version of LibreOffice
you are using. If your are using a 64bit version of LibreOffice, then
download and install a 64bit version of the Java Development Kit
available from Oracle.




Alex




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-11-28 Thread Keith Barber
Thank you for this Alex.  Not sure I'm computerate enough to know the 
difference between a JDK and a JRE.  However, I do have 2 JREs 
installed, a 32-bit and a 64-bit.


Good news: it looks as if I may have cracked it, at least temporarily. 
Bad news: it might be a bug of some sort... potentially a bug in the 
user but worth feeding back what I've discovered.


I need to find time to restart my machine again to confirm what I'm 
about to say, when I do I'll post accordingly.  Base was working fine 
last week (I normally 'sleep' my PC overnight), but did a restart ovver 
the weekend and that's where the trouble started.


In Tools - Options - Advanced the two JREs look identical.  After 
posting my query, and just for the hell of it, I tried selecting the 
other one.  That made no difference.  So I shut down LO, re-opened it 
and tried again.  Still no joy.  So I went back in and selected the 
original again.  Still no joy with Base, so for one last thing I shut 
down LO yet again.  This time, Base worked when I re-opened it!


If that's what it takes, I can live with it, though I'd rather not have 
to.  But if that gives someone a clue where to look for an issue, it 
would be most welcome.


Best wishes,
Keith

On 28/11/2016 17:26, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 28/11/2016 à 17:52, Keith Barber a écrit :

Hi Keith,


Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Service Pack 1 (unsure whether any further
information would help or how to find it).


I am assuming you are using a 64bit JDK (and not a JRE) ?
If so, which version ?



Alex





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java

2016-11-28 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 28/11/2016 à 17:52, Keith Barber a écrit :

Hi Keith,

> Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Service Pack 1 (unsure whether any further
> information would help or how to find it).

I am assuming you are using a 64bit JDK (and not a JRE) ?
If so, which version ?



Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Great news! :)  Thanks Gary :)  I think a lot of people had kinda given up hope 
of them ever managing to release a new version.  

Btw your 1st link got me a 
We're sorry, the page you requested was not found.
lol.  Still the 2nd one looked great :)
Thanks and regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 18/5/12, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 18 May, 2012, 5:02

On 5/17/2012 4:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :) I think the last official release was a 6, possibly the 6u31.
 None of the 7s have made it to full official release.  

You think? Did you not bother to check the links that I provided?

Here's a few more:
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/44437
http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp
Free Java Download
Download Java for your desktop computer now!
Version 7 Update 4 


At least 1 of
 them was apparently compromised out-in-the-wild when it reached
 release-candidate status. Regards from Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Thu, 17/5/12, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re:
 Base and Java 1.7 - does not work To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Date: Thursday, 17 May, 2012, 1:32
 
 On 05/15/2012 03:19 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 There is no reason to run Java 1.7 unless required by some bleeding
 edge application. Even then you can install a second Java 1.6 and
 point the
 
 Java 1.7_0.4 is the current recommended _released_ version of Java. 
 https://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp Recommended Version 7
 Update 4 https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/why_upgrade.xml
 
 You'll need to go hunting for Java 1.6 now.
 
 Further: 
 https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/ 
 Support for Java 7 (1.7) added. User can select between Java 6 or 7 
 engine, if both are installed. 
 
 office to that installation. In any case it has to be 32 bit
 because under Windows the office is a 32 bit application.
 
 Perhaps if you would include some quotation from the post others
 could understand what you are replying to. I see nothing in the OP
 that indicates 'steelej' was using a 64 bit version.
 
 
 
 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think the last official release was a 6, possibly the 6u31.  None of the 7s 
have made it to full official release.  At least 1 of them was apparently 
compromised out-in-the-wild when it reached release-candidate status.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Thu, 17/5/12, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 17 May, 2012, 1:32

On 05/15/2012 03:19 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 There is no reason to run Java 1.7 unless required by some bleeding edge 
 application. Even then you can install a second Java 1.6 and point the

Java 1.7_0.4 is the current recommended _released_ version of Java.
https://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
Recommended Version 7 Update 4
https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/why_upgrade.xml

You'll need to go hunting for Java 1.6 now.

Further:
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/
Support for Java 7 (1.7) added. User can select between Java 6 or 7
engine, if both are installed. 

 office to that installation. In any case it has to be 32 bit because 
 under Windows the office is a 32 bit application.

Perhaps if you would include some quotation from the post others could
understand what you are replying to. I see nothing in the OP that
indicates 'steelej' was using a 64 bit version.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 17.05.2012 02:32, NoOp wrote:


Perhaps if you would include some quotation from the post others could
understand what you are replying to. I see nothing in the OP that
indicates 'steelej' was using a 64 bit version.






You are right. Java 1.7 works well with LibO 3.5. I tested with external 
and embedded HyperSQL on Win7(32) and Linux(32). My H2 database works as 
well.
Older office versions do not even recognize Java 1.7 as a valid Java 
installation. So the Java version is not a problem anymore as far it is 
a fairly recent one.


_For the casual reader_: The 32/64 Java bits have to match with the 
LibreOffice bits which means 32 bit on all Windows platforms.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread Pertti Rönnberg

Dear LibreO folks out there,
In two of his mails Andreas Säger says
In any case it -- (Java 1.7) -- has to be 32 bit because under 
Windows the office (LibreOffice) is a 32 bit application. 
The 32/64 Java bits have to match with the LibreOffice bits 
which means 32 bit on all Windows platforms.


At least in Finland since a year back almost all PCs and laptops are 
Windows7-64bit;  I purchased a laptop Win7Premium-64bit last November.
It is a little astonishing and worrying to read that LibreO is a 32-bit 
application under any Windows-OS but I have seen no info about LibreO 
being only 32-bits - not 64 bits nor 32/64 bits.

I have been told that a 64-bit machine needs 64-bits software.

In the coming summer at my cottage in the wilderness of deep forest, far 
from civilization, I should very much like to work with Writer, Calc and 
Base (continue trying to complete and create databases) without any 
problems at all.


What version of LibreO do you recommend that I install on my laptop 
(Win7-Premium Home-64bit)
what is the best, most reliable and stable version today (esp. 
Base, no bugs, no other issues)

do I have to install a Java JRE to run Base? -- what version?
 because of the db's future use I prefer to work with the 
embedded HSQL, and hesitate learning the use of HSQL2.x or SQLite
what kind of issues do I have to be prepared for because of 
LibreO being 32-bits and my laptop 64-bits?


Do the LibOs on my machines communicate with each other without problems 
when my PC's OS is Win-Prof/32 bit and it's LibreO v.3.4.6?

Best regards
Pertti Rönnberg


On 17.5.2012 14:57, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 17.05.2012 02:32, NoOp wrote:


Perhaps if you would include some quotation from the post others could
understand what you are replying to. I see nothing in the OP that
indicates 'steelej' was using a 64 bit version.






You are right. Java 1.7 works well with LibO 3.5. I tested with 
external and embedded HyperSQL on Win7(32) and Linux(32). My H2 
database works as well.
Older office versions do not even recognize Java 1.7 as a valid Java 
installation. So the Java version is not a problem anymore as far it 
is a fairly recent one.


_For the casual reader_: The 32/64 Java bits have to match with the 
LibreOffice bits which means 32 bit on all Windows platforms.







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Don't worry!

32bit apps run on 64bit systems perfectly well.  It is the other way around 
that would be a problem.  Think of a pint glass.  A full pint fits in fine.  
Drink a bit and the half pint fits in fine too.  The other way around would not 
work!  A half-pint glass would not hold a full pint!  In our case the operating 
system is the container and the apps are the tasty beer :)  

Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Thu, 17/5/12, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote:

From: Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 17 May, 2012, 14:48

Dear LibreO folks out there,
In two of his mails Andreas Säger says
    In any case it -- (Java 1.7) -- has to be 32 bit because under Windows 
the office (LibreOffice) is a 32 bit application. 
    The 32/64 Java bits have to match with the LibreOffice bits which means 
32 bit on all Windows platforms.

At least in Finland since a year back almost all PCs and laptops are 
Windows7-64bit;  I purchased a laptop Win7Premium-64bit last November.
It is a little astonishing and worrying to read that LibreO is a 32-bit 
application under any Windows-OS but I have seen no info about LibreO being 
only 32-bits - not 64 bits nor 32/64 bits.
I have been told that a 64-bit machine needs 64-bits software.

In the coming summer at my cottage in the wilderness of deep forest, far from 
civilization, I should very much like to work with Writer, Calc and Base 
(continue trying to complete and create databases) without any problems at all.

What version of LibreO do you recommend that I install on my laptop 
(Win7-Premium Home-64bit)
    what is the best, most reliable and stable version today (esp. Base, no 
bugs, no other issues)
    do I have to install a Java JRE to run Base? -- what version?
     because of the db's future use I prefer to work with the embedded 
HSQL, and hesitate learning the use of HSQL2.x or SQLite
    what kind of issues do I have to be prepared for because of LibreO being 
32-bits and my laptop 64-bits?

Do the LibOs on my machines communicate with each other without problems when 
my PC's OS is Win-Prof/32 bit and it's LibreO v.3.4.6?
Best regards
Pertti Rönnberg


On 17.5.2012 14:57, Andreas Säger wrote:
 Am 17.05.2012 02:32, NoOp wrote:
 
 Perhaps if you would include some quotation from the post others could
 understand what you are replying to. I see nothing in the OP that
 indicates 'steelej' was using a 64 bit version.
 
 
 
 
 
 You are right. Java 1.7 works well with LibO 3.5. I tested with external and 
 embedded HyperSQL on Win7(32) and Linux(32). My H2 database works as well.
 Older office versions do not even recognize Java 1.7 as a valid Java 
 installation. So the Java version is not a problem anymore as far it is a 
 fairly recent one.
 
 _For the casual reader_: The 32/64 Java bits have to match with the 
 LibreOffice bits which means 32 bit on all Windows platforms.
 
 
 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 17.05.2012 15:48, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

Dear LibreO folks out there,
In two of his mails Andreas Säger says
  In any case it -- (Java 1.7) -- has to be 32 bit because under
Windows the office (LibreOffice) is a 32 bit application. 
  The 32/64 Java bits have to match with the LibreOffice bits which
means 32 bit on all Windows platforms.

At least in Finland since a year back almost all PCs and laptops are
Windows7-64bit; I purchased a laptop Win7Premium-64bit last November.
It is a little astonishing and worrying to read that LibreO is a 32-bit
application under any Windows-OS but I have seen no info about LibreO
being only 32-bits - not 64 bits nor 32/64 bits.
I have been told that a 64-bit machine needs 64-bits software.




This software is open source. This means that *anybody* can download the 
source code and compile it for whatever platform. So far nobody built a 
64 bit version for the Windows operating system.
I don't know anything about the particular reasons but I would speculate 
as follows:

- Windows compilers are unfree.
- Windows programs of this size are extremely difficult to compile.
- Windows 64 would increase the maintainance effort, adding another 
variant with lots of platform specific code.
- There are no technical reasons to struggle with all this as long as 
Windows runs 32 bit programs like any other platform does.


In the end it's all about economy, isn't it?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2012-05-17 9:48 AM, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote:

It is a little astonishing and worrying to read that LibreO is a 32-bit
application under any Windows-OS but I have seen no info about LibreO
being only 32-bits - not 64 bits nor 32/64 bits.
I have been told that a 64-bit machine needs 64-bits software.


You were misinformed. 32bit sw runs just fine on Windows 64... in fact, 
for virtually all circumstances, Microsoft *recommends* running 32bit 
version of Office on Windows 64...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)I thought they recommended whichever they think you don't have in order to 
force you into buying a new one that you don't really need?  Lol, yes i am 
joking around but it often seems that way to me.  It's good be Free of that.  
Regards fromTom :)
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From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 17 May, 2012, 18:40

On 2012-05-17 9:48 AM, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote:
 It is a little astonishing and worrying to read that LibreO is a 32-bit
 application under any Windows-OS but I have seen no info about LibreO
 being only 32-bits - not 64 bits nor 32/64 bits.
 I have been told that a 64-bit machine needs 64-bits software.

You were misinformed. 32bit sw runs just fine on Windows 64... in fact, for 
virtually all circumstances, Microsoft *recommends* running 32bit version of 
Office on Windows 64...

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread steelej

NoOp wrote
 
 On 05/15/2012 03:09 PM, steelej wrote:
 I have been a happy user of LO for a long time but have just started to
 explore Base.
 
 I have been unable to get Base to work with the latest JRE on Windows
 Vista
 or on W7. When I select this version in the Java options it fails to
 recognise that it is a valid JRE. 
 
 Environments used for testing
 Base appears to run with Java 1.6.0_32 on 32 bit W7 using LO 5.3.3 but
 not
 with 1.7.0_04. This version is a Virtual Machine
 
 Base also runs (more extensive testing) with LO 3.5.2.2 using Java
 1.6.0_31
 on a 32 bit Vista but fails to run if I select 1.7.0_04. On the first
 occasion I tried on this environment LO crashed completely and would not
 start - I had to go into the xml configuration file and remove the
 reference
 to Java there. 
 
 Is there a known bug associated with the latest version of Java?
 
 1.7.0_04 works for me w/WinXP,W7, and linux. The WinXP is running in
 VMWare, the W7 is running from a partition. Can you be a little more
 specific as to what is not working?
 
 
 When I select Java 1.7 as the runtime environment I can open Base and
 select a table. When I open the table for editing I see a dialog box that
 has the title 
 *JRE is defective*
  
 The message in the box says:
 
 LibreOffice requires a Java runtime environment (JRE) to perform this
 task. The selected JRE is defective. Please select another version or
 install a new JRE and select it under Tools – Options –LibraOffice – Java
  
 I have checked that Java is working correctly, at least according to the
 Java/Oracle site.
  
 Unfortunately my VirtualBox virtual machine has just been corrupted so I
 have lost my W7 instance.
 
 John
 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread NoOp
On 5/17/2012 4:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :) I think the last official release was a 6, possibly the 6u31.
 None of the 7s have made it to full official release.  

You think? Did you not bother to check the links that I provided?

Here's a few more:
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/44437
http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp
Free Java Download
Download Java for your desktop computer now!
Version 7 Update 4 


At least 1 of
 them was apparently compromised out-in-the-wild when it reached
 release-candidate status. Regards from Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Thu, 17/5/12, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re:
 Base and Java 1.7 - does not work To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Date: Thursday, 17 May, 2012, 1:32
 
 On 05/15/2012 03:19 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 There is no reason to run Java 1.7 unless required by some bleeding
 edge application. Even then you can install a second Java 1.6 and
 point the
 
 Java 1.7_0.4 is the current recommended _released_ version of Java. 
 https://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp Recommended Version 7
 Update 4 https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/why_upgrade.xml
 
 You'll need to go hunting for Java 1.6 now.
 
 Further: 
 https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/ 
 Support for Java 7 (1.7) added. User can select between Java 6 or 7 
 engine, if both are installed. 
 
 office to that installation. In any case it has to be 32 bit
 because under Windows the office is a 32 bit application.
 
 Perhaps if you would include some quotation from the post others
 could understand what you are replying to. I see nothing in the OP
 that indicates 'steelej' was using a 64 bit version.
 
 
 
 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-17 Thread NoOp
On 5/17/2012 12:10 PM, steelej wrote:
 
 NoOp wrote
...
 1.7.0_04 works for me w/WinXP,W7, and linux. The WinXP is running in
 VMWare, the W7 is running from a partition. Can you be a little more
 specific as to what is not working?
 
 
 When I select Java 1.7 as the runtime environment I can open Base and
 select a table. When I open the table for editing I see a dialog box that
 has the title 
 *JRE is defective*
  
 The message in the box says:
 
 LibreOffice requires a Java runtime environment (JRE) to perform this
 task. The selected JRE is defective. Please select another version or
 install a new JRE and select it under Tools – Options –LibraOffice – Java
  
 I have checked that Java is working correctly, at least according to the
 Java/Oracle site.
  
 Unfortunately my VirtualBox virtual machine has just been corrupted so I
 have lost my W7 instance.

I cannot replicate your problem.

It's very possible that the issue is your VB and or jre install...
I'm now posting from W7 and have the same version as you originally
reported: LO 3.5.2.2
LibreOffice 3.5.2.2
Build ID: 281b639-6baa1d3-ef66a77-d866f25-f36d45f
with Oracle Corporation 1.7.0_04 @ c:/Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7
running Base. I can edit the tables w/o issue.

Sorry, wish I could be of further help.

Gary

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-16 Thread Andreas Säger
Sorry, I forgot to mention that even Base is usable without Java. Most 
of the Java additions do not add any functionality of importance and the 
*embedded* HSQLDB is not worth trying anyway. Important: HyperSQL as a 
stand-alone database is mature, best breed Java software and extremely 
useful.
Without Java you can still connect your Base document to a non-Java 
database, write queries without restrictions, design forms without 
restrictions and use stand-alone office documents as report media.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-16 Thread NoOp
On 05/15/2012 03:19 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 There is no reason to run Java 1.7 unless required by some bleeding edge 
 application. Even then you can install a second Java 1.6 and point the

Java 1.7_0.4 is the current recommended _released_ version of Java.
https://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
Recommended Version 7 Update 4
https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/why_upgrade.xml

You'll need to go hunting for Java 1.6 now.

Further:
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/
Support for Java 7 (1.7) added. User can select between Java 6 or 7
engine, if both are installed. 

 office to that installation. In any case it has to be 32 bit because 
 under Windows the office is a 32 bit application.

Perhaps if you would include some quotation from the post others could
understand what you are replying to. I see nothing in the OP that
indicates 'steelej' was using a 64 bit version.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base and Java 1.7 - does not work

2012-05-15 Thread Andreas Säger
There is no reason to run Java 1.7 unless required by some bleeding edge 
application. Even then you can install a second Java 1.6 and point the 
office to that installation. In any case it has to be 32 bit because 
under Windows the office is a 32 bit application.



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